Jacky making the point that we gotta also be in church is a great point. A pastor is important and if your pastor isn’t great, you still have the rest of the body. Like Paul’s says each member is important. You don’t go just for the pastor, there are so many people in church who can teach you and you can fellowship with. That was important.

Yes, its true that some pastors and preacher's aren't called and do great harm or they are carnal but, we the believers have to take accountability for our part too. When we read and know the word for ourselves then we are aware of the standard that God has in place. Oftentimes, we the sheep choose leadership based on culture, popularity, and tradition and none of those are qualifiers according to the word. Another danger in many churches in regards to leadership is a lack of accountability, there's no elders in place to hold leadership accountable and they are the say all be all which can lead to spiritual abuse. And lastly, Pastors are human too and susceptible to sin like every one else and we must uplift them in prayer.

This was such a simplistic, yet worthwhile powerful discussion. Praying God’s hedge of protection around and about Minister Jackie, her marriage, and beautiful family. In Jesus’ name, Amen! 🙏🏾 ❤

Jackie, great insight and wisdom. Some of these pastors can’t lead me to a water fountain nor less an altar. The Church Green Rooms, Pastors that are bullies, and antics gotta go. Not what God, intended the church to be.

Even though you're kind of a social media person, I love it that you create boundaries and speak the truth always.

I had an Eternal experience with the Presence of the Living God one time years ago. When He showed up everything and everyone disappeared. There is no competition with Him. I only thought of Him in His presence. He is the only Star of this show called life. All things fade away when the Father or the Lord Jesus or the Spirit of the Living God shows up. Jesus in John 15 said without Me you can do nothing. I keep my eyes on my Lord’s and my Lord’s alone. The Father and Son and Holy Spirit. That’s POWER!!

So so good. Glad I found your podcast sir. I actually have had conversations with God about this very thing, “celebrity gospel culture”, you had the right one on here! Blessings my brother 🙏🏾.

This was great. Having a sobriety (humility) as represent the Lord in any capacity, as leaders and disciples alike.

Oooh Jackie, I was WAITING patiently for this one, when you eluded to it on your last interview. I need help in that dept!

Amen Jackie!! Love this conversation between y'all.❤️💥 The modern american church has been programmed to be praised for righteous living, not prepared for persecution. Pastors should be shepherds leading their flocks not celebrities entertaining goats. But unfortunately many are seeking to build their own kingdoms rather than the Kingdom of God. They are more interested in power, position, and pleasure than the presence of God. My heart breaks for the church and the amount of deception that has crept in. But remember what God's Word says, as darkness increases righteousness will increase all the more. God is allowing the deception to create a clear line between life and death. So that those who reject truth may be judged. Signs of the times. Eyes on Jesus family of God. Endure until the end.

Whoaaaaaa 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾wow this was the best almost 10min video I watch in a while, he’s a great interviewer and well we know Jackie got a word for ya😂💕💪🏾 I love how she spoke about pushing people into local churches, I can see the back end issues but that is something I feel is needed theses days, the connection to someone you have access too, wooooow and how he saw her family able to submit under another, knowing how big people view them 🤦🏾‍♀️ The humbleness Amen and she ties it all to scripture, like how as Jesus got more popular the more he went and prayed💕💪🏾👏🏾👏🏾 where is the rest of the podcast💕

Wow...God bless Preston and Jackie... Phenomenal ministry and grace in Christ 👏🏾

So good!

Good Word Pastor Perry!

Solid message however no person is trash . Have we not a better way to initiate the conversation.

Good brother, with love, chapstick ✊🏾 Lol. Thank you for having these conversations for us to see 🙏🏾.

Love this! New subscriber 💜

That so good sharing your stage with nonfamous people

Thank you, Lord

Woman Of GOD. . .YOU ROCK!!!

While I may not support all pastors or ministers, I think that saying pastors are trash can mislead non Christians. It’s important to remember your influence and reach.

I love Jackie and Preston..... my family. ❤ I would love to hear her thoughts on women preaching to men.... sincerely. Much love fam

This really good

This is fire on so many levels! ❤

Shabbat Shalom ❤

What a caption! Got me messed up lolll😁

So good.

Thanks!

Sobriety was a golden nugget 😮

I have been conflicted about that as well. Prov 20 talks about the faithful man( The Just man) . I haven’t seen one locally yet

The portrait? Proudly south African

Based in The UK! Too many Pastors here are NOT GREAT!! Really NOT GREAT!!! It's just so sad. I know many Americans really mourn the state of The US Church, but you all still have it so good. TRUST!!!

I like the example of Paul and appaloosa. I have read it, but it didn't even come into my mind as an example of idolatry ie celebrity culture

Woah!!! My goodness…how did yall know this is needed to be heard?? Um, where do I find the full episode?

We keep pointing fingers at pastors and not the congregation. What about churches with healthy pastors but a stubborn people? I've seen it for myself and it's sad. We need to look at ourselves as well. A pastor can't bear the weight of the work you should put in the other 6 days a week. That's why it's important to be in a bible study, small group, individual prayer time, etc. Persecution in America is different and I actually have seen it on my job.

i really want to love and trust my pastors

Whew Chile the Holy Ghost in me felt deeply disturbed she said a lot of these pastors are trash!!!!! Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her ~ Ephesians 5:25 ESV We cannot have this attitude of criticism for Gods beloved church, our pastors have a role building up the body of Christ and certainly no church is perfect and there are pastors that can be renewed but we cannot be causing division within Believers! Just bc a few pastors are demonic doesnt mean we can just slander pastors even if she said "a lot" is now people hear this are going to think its okay to not go to the Fathers House which we hear often now from many BELIEVERS that they think they are "too called" or "too chosen" to go to church. You cannot disciple with a party of one. Love Jackie and I think shes got greaat theology and discernment but this comment does not lift up Jesus even if she had the right intentions. Life and death is in the power of the tongue and Jackie is not stewarding her influence well by saying our pastors at our local church are trash!

He that is sent, glorifies him that sent him.

As someone who really don’t like church AT ALL! As long as the pastor/apostle isn’t causing harm to the Kingdom of God and its children, ion care! I go and read my Bible while he’s preaching. Sometimes I gain a lot from him as far as deeper understanding and sometimes he irks my last nerves 🤷🏾‍♀️ my mom is a pastor there and always do her thing but I felt rude only coming when she preached knowing that I have no church home lol.

Thanks

Wow! You cannot engage a culture with the gospel that has not first engaged you! 👏👏👏👏👏👏🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

Y’all kicking sacred cows 🐄🐄

That is her opinion. I am not sure about her.

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Do you all feel that a pastor must have a shepherds heart to care for the church as he should? Or is it possible for someone to pastor if they have never had the desire to?

What else is new?

Paul says preach Christ.

*John 10:12* AMPC *But the hired servant (he who merely serves for wages) who is neither the shepherd nor the owner of the sheep, when he sees the wolf coming, deserts the flock and runs away. And the wolf chases and snatches them and scatters [the flock].* #theriseofthehireling #isyourpastorahireling 🇨🇦

Hate the caption. Very turned off by it, even if the what is said has elements truth to it. Very sick of Christian content creators and Christian gossipers marketing their posts like "the world" to get views and likes. Talk about that! Love, love, love Jackie Perry. But this will be a conversation I choose to miss.

I guess you tell them and pray that God will lead them out of that church

Y’all still pushing Church??

Is Jackie a teacher or Pastor

A woman cannot preach.