Superman Mario Thanks, I've planned on migrating to a different video editor for this reason.

He can also make the black background slightly transparent if he wants to show more of the screen and it will still be readable. It's especially useful for videos.

Dark yellow works too

I think the person likes to go with the new styles. I plan to go with the new styles on my video walkthroughs. I wonder if my Video Editor app on my phone can do text with an outline. I might check my Windows Movie Maker app on my computer to see if I can make an outline for my text.

@@ikagura Do you mean dark yellow text or dark yellow outline?

Same hhhhh

I don't really like the S3 sprites

The weirdest thing here that the color palette in this prototype is the same as the final Sonic 3, but the sprites are still left from Sonic 2.

@@toaddx it actually isn't. Tails still has red parts in his fur. The only things that's the same from Sonic 3 are the shades of gray.

@@shade221 nah it doesn't sonic 3 sprites are great

He learned how to walk through walls as well.

Silver must be behind this mess!

@@SilverSonic1992, yes lol, it's even weirder than levitation😅

nah he used noclip

nah, he just went into spectator mode

Even some knuckles bosses are present too like Angel Island Act 1, Hydrocity Act 2 and Marble Garden Act 1

I have seen that pfp in a game and in like 5 other accounts

Because of The Cutting Room Floor, TCRF Gives to everyone unused content to add in-game.

But some bosses are from S3 & K

Correction: Variants, these enemies already appear but the difference is some collisions or... area of appearance?

I knew there was something different about the movement. That seems to be the difference.

escapes floating*

_aight I'mma head out_

*I'm outta here.*

"yes i do, cya!"

Yeah, I forgot to point that out. The spike graphics are loaded into VRAM, though.

Interesting. I saw that this prototype also contains some of Knuckles's boss patterns, much like in the final Sonic 3. Does the boss do anything with that?

Indeed it does. The behavior seems to be identical to the final, meaning the bomb scene will play out and the game will soft-lock.

Debug Cheat i guess if i do remember the code (on sound-test) is 01-09-09-01-01-02-04

I mean there's 3 unused Bosses in there -chemical plant (unchanged from Nick Arcade and Wai i think) - Aquatic Ruin (which is fairly finished) -Broken Metropolis Zone Boss

@@callmeninaiced I saw all of the Sonic the Hedgehog 2 lost levels. Did I see a fake one? I saw one unused boss that matches the Emerald Hill Zone boss, except that it's harder, because there are bones that can hurt you if you land on them. It was in Dust Hill Zone. I hated Dust Hill Zone, and I'm glad that it was removed from the final version.

@Caleb Hopkins That's from a rom hack. Dust Hill Zone in actual prototypes is nothing more then a different name for Mystic Cave.

@@marx4538 I like to see the real Dust Hill Zone. I wish people would stop making all these fake things up, and then putting in a name that makes it look real.

@@bennel3588 Wouldn't have been an issue for you if you knew how to verfiy using trusted sources such as The Cutting Room Floor or Sonic Retro.

I was thinking the same thing! It could be something like Tunnelbot in Marble Garden Zone.

@@SilverSonic1992 I could definitely see them strewn about in the foreground out of reach cutting down trees until one directly blocks your path, causing a face off

Xebninmaj Sark Yes.

I thought the whole zone(expect for music) was entirely wiped out,how can you restore it

Yeah, it is. The only thing that remains is an object layout and a color palette, both of which are different from the final version.

Donkey Cheese Mushroom Valley holds a color pallete that has slightly brighter colors towards the blue side of the spectrum rather than dark green. The actual map EXISTS, just improperly loaded into glitched tiles from Angel Island Act 1. Same thing with Sandopolis, except there is no confirmed collision nor pallete

Yeah I did some research myself and wow, its be really impressive if the zone were to be somewhat put back in the game

You can load a savestate into any game, errors start when the game tries to call things that aren't the correct value or don't exist, thus causing corruption. The best examples are N64 games, though.

I read that they were planned to be one game, but it all could not fit into one cartridge, so Sonic & Knuckles was made with the plug-in port. If Sonic the Hedgehog 1 was put in the plug-in port, the game becomes Blue Sphere. If Sonic the Hedgehog 2 was put in the plug-in port, the game becomes Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog 2. If Sonic the Hedgehog 3 was put in the plug-in port, it becomes Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and that's the complete version of Sonic the Hedgehog 3. I think the full version could fit into one Sega Dreamcast disc.

From what i've seen, most of those reviews were made before the internet was used by a lot of people, and then just published online. Plus, to play the full S3&K, you still had to pay twice.

@@bennel3588 Definitely would fit on a Dreamcast disc, lol. Sonic Jam for the Saturn has all four games, the three lock-on modes, and an easy mode version of each game with altered maps.

I was dumb for believing that the full version of Sonic 3 & Knuckles could not fit into one single Sega Genesis cartridge, but it actually can, and Sega even mentioned it, and they never planned to make all of Sonic the Hedgehog 3 and Sonic & Knuckles into one game, because if they did, they would have already done that, and they always were planned to be released as two separate games. Some people gave good enough proof that they were always planned to be two separate games, and I think someone noticed that it would make the sale go high up.

I found this link. It does seem like an interview with Sega about how Sonic 3 became two separate games. Is it phony or real? www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2016/10/10/how-sonic-the-hedgehog-3-became-two-games-sonic-and-knuckles-lock-on-technology.aspx

The robot from mushroom hill is in sonic and knuckles

@@joaquinfernandez1752 Yes, and as we know, this prototype was around the time when Sonic and Knuckles began to be developed, taking stuff that was supposed to be in Sonic 3, and erasing it in it. But some of the stuff that was to be taken can still be found here, like that boss. It's got barely any function though, so perhaps part of his code was erased, but just enough was left to make it spawn in the game. That's what I'm asking

that is honestly possible as Sonic 3 for some reason is hardcapped to 2MB of size

@@RaposaCadela oh I get it now, they probably just moved it to S&K and the only thing left was the code without the palette

At this point the boss was probably unfinished.

The platform is there and the hang mobile boss can be fought on it, but it doesn't move. That being said, there was clear intention to make it move as they have the section implemented, it just isn't coded. The sequence would have worked a little differently though--instead of the platform rising, the level section would have moved downwards.

This is a tricky question. All evidence we have points to there never being a split, per se. Instead, SEGA appears to have worked on one large S3C prototype and used optional build flags to assemble a smaller 16mbit ROM. This prototype is the 16mbit ROM, although there are leftovers (such as LRZ Act 1) from the 24mbit that was apparently compiled at the same time, and since S3 doesn't fill an entire 16mbit ROM, the a little extra data from S3C seeped in the empty space.

You need to get a Genesis emulator to play the game.

Silver Sonic 1992 could you please send a link for genesis emulator?

Nope its used in sonic 2

This prototype does not work with S&K because S&K was designed for the final version only.

Sonic the Hedgehog 3 can save files, but Sonic & Knuckles cannot save files, but if Sonic the Hedgehog 3 is on top of Sonic & Knuckles, the save files can go through Sonic & Knuckles. How is that possible? Is the save battery from STH3 going through S&K or does S&K have a save battery that activates when STH3 is plugged into the top?

I assume just like in the final you can't destroy it, it takes damage but nothing else happens.

@@jeremyabbott4537 Yeah. There is a similar boss in Sonic 2 where you do have to actually hit it to destroy it.

The S Monitor can only be placed in Hydrocity in this prototype.

Not currently, sorry. I'll make something eventually.

@@SilverSonic1992 Yeah it'd be great to have a hack with the bosses, and the restored Lava Reef act 1 & 2 :3

It's the prototype go get it on sonic retro

This is not a dumb question at all! I would have to look into this more.

He didn't add them into the ROM, they were already in. He only added graphics for Sandopolis and Mushroom hill boss.

@@blooga3941 How do you do that? Because I have no idea how to do things with RAM and all those other things.

That's true.

Now I understood that he is NOT a hidden boss

He's not unused in this prototype.

Yea... Just at first I thought he wasn't in it

Either Lua Script Or Hex Editing

I heard that it didn't, but I haven't checked it myself.

There would probably be a lot more unused content and deleted bits if they didn't make use of the extra time they had to essentially add it all to Sonic & Knuckles.

Something to note is that this prototype is very late in development, less than a month before the final build. As such, any "cut-content" would have already been cut. The Sonic 2 pre-beta that was also recently discovered is around the same time frame and almost all of the cut content is already gone. "The only thing interesting that didn't really make it was the drop dash." You see, this here gets me because I don't think the majority of people realize the development of Sonic 3. It's quite understandable really, as we really don't know much of anything compared to, say, Sonic 2. One of the things that isn't talked about is Sonic 3*D*. Originally, Sonic 3 was developed using the special 3D SVP chip and was going to be the first 3D Sonic game. They spent 6 months on this build, and it was cancelled because the SVP chip wasn't going to be ready for production in time. There's no telling what this build would have contained. Another interesting thing is the concept art for Sonic 3. Most notably, a picture that depicts Super Sonic fighting a dragon in space. This dragon was mentioned in the S3 JP manual and later materialized itself as Perfect Chaos in Sonic Adventure. The point is, we know almost nothing about Sonic 3's development because it was kept a tight secret.

Hacks/debug

HEX-Edit.

They were eventually used and finalized later on.

@@SilverSonic1992 oh that's nice to know I like how these versions of the sonic 3 bosses are in the prototype of this game

There is no codes just hex editing also the proto version is Sonic 3 1103

It makes Sonic 3 actually feel like a Sonic game.

You are softlocked

It gives you Blue Spheres.

@@SilverSonic1992 because it doesn’t have the final header

@@Isaiahdemon It wouldn't work even with the correct header. The data is too different.

@@SilverSonic1992 Oh Thanks For Information Btw I’m A Huge Sonic Prototype Fan So I hope You find More Discovery’s In S3-1103/Oct 1993

@@Isaiahdemon Thank you! Life's busy but there's more to show.

Fiendzy Yeah, sorry about that.

Correct.

The boss fight from Sonic 2 is very similar, but had an different concept.

Me Too

That's because that's where the boss for Knuckles, dumbshits

@@mattfromwiisports9414 stop being toxic

@@mattfromwiisports9414 Don't insult.

You were right.

A level transition?

@@SilverSonic1992 well... It's got no functionality but there's a transition that would lead into ice cap

Because in the lock-on game, Death Egg Act 2 has an separate level ID data to load the Death Egg boss room.

Someone did that with lava reef zone and inimentrd flying battery into sonic 3A

Dude, they were meant to be ONE game, that’s why those bosses are in there.

Nintendo_ Bros040 Sorry, but I didn't use any PAR codes.

@@SilverSonic1992 GG Codes?

@@TuxerTuxar nope, he used a lua script that i dont have anymore

I was using GensRR.

@@SilverSonic1992 And can you please tell me how do you trigger theese bosses?

or more better said how to spawn 'em

@@retromusician_official hex Editing

@@Isaiahdemon You mean savestate editing, right? I'm wondering where I can find the values to edit?

There are two of them.

Me

No.

Bro. This can not be serious.

The sprite mappings still exist.

@@SilverSonic1992 You know... I don't think Hey Ho was originally going to be a boss, especially because of his unfinished behaviour in the prototype.

Here: drive.google.com/file/d/1yRBJJbcdL1MPGfCEsTLINCAq7D_LdcEB/view?usp=share_link

HEX-Edit.

I could have used the actual Sandopolis, but it would have been harder to see.

No, that's the laser boss from FBZ.

@@SilverSonic1992 was this boss not used but then got used in sonic mania?

@@SilverSonic1992 Man, these 12 year old kids are so clueless, huh? I wish your videos would attract more viewers from the older Sonic fan scene, like Sonic Retro. You’re extremely talented and honestly don’t deserve this much clueless 12 year olds asking stupid questions on your videos.

@@snoccyboi9875 You should play Sonic & Knuckles, kid. Or at least watch a playthrough of that.

@@matthubina64 I literally have a sega genesis with sonic 3 and sonic and knuckles

That's the Sonic & Knuckles miniboss theme.

@@SilverSonic1992 thanks