Sonic 3D Blast - 50Hz Vs 60Hz - Upgrading the hardware

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Was Sonic 3D truly built with 50Hz in mind? Or does it pretend to not exist like other Sonic games?
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Sonic's isometric transformation makes it to the series finale of the 50Hz vs 60Hz series. Does the final Sonic game for the Mega Drive (Genesis) bring any improvements to the table for PAL? Or is it the same story we're all use to? Welcome to my 50,000 subscriber special video!
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Sonic 3D but it's in PAL mode live stream (22nd December 2020 7pm GMT): • Sonic 3D but it's in P...
CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Where's my Japanese copy?
0:36 - The hardware
1:19 - Sonic 3D 50Hz vs 60Hz comparisons
4:32 - Does Sonic 3D DX make a difference?
4:44 - Not quite the end
4:59 - Upgrading the hardware
6:50 - More Sonic 3D 50Hz vs 60Hz comparisons
9:33 - Final thoughts
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@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

CONFIRMATION, PLEASE READ: So, I've had a fair few comments saying that with Traveller's Tales being based in the UK, the game's original aim was for PAL and that it's actually NTSC speeding it up (rather than being made for NTSC and then PAL dragging it down). After asking Jon Burton via Twitter, he has now confirmed that this is NOT the case and it was always intended for NTSC. Source: twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

@Editor909 3 жыл бұрын

I could see why people thought this, but then why do the special stages run faster on pal? What an odd thing to occur.

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

@@Editor909 Sonic Team did the special stages for the Saturn version. TT did them for the Mega Drive (Genesis) and they're still slower than NTSC.

@Editor909 3 жыл бұрын

@@redhotsonic ohh ok. Thanks for the tip :)

@_mr-needlenose_8218 3 жыл бұрын

NTSC because... I don’t even know because I don’t like slower music it throws me off

@strangedude9008 3 жыл бұрын

@@_mr-needlenose_8218 maybe it wouldn't if you didnt ever hear the faster version.

@LunDruid 3 жыл бұрын

Let's just take a moment to appreciate the Saturn port's fantastic music.

@atechchuck 3 жыл бұрын

Eh always thought the genesis music was better but that's just me

@mil3sperhour 3 жыл бұрын

Richard Jacques is so criminally underrated! You should check out his Metropolis Street Racer OST cause there is TONS of more songs like those in there.

@poble 3 жыл бұрын

I much prefer the genesis soundtrack tbh

@atechchuck 3 жыл бұрын

@@poble Yea same

@billzee89 3 жыл бұрын

The mega drive/ genesis one is farrrrrrrr better than Saturn

@EvangeRei 3 жыл бұрын

At first I was like "Wow, JP cover is already having Adventure style, is that a little tease??" and then release date arrived and just explained everything

@CrashFan03 3 жыл бұрын

it's bizarre to see that it wasn't fully optimized for 50hz considering it's a british game

@Oysterblade84 3 жыл бұрын

@Danny Sweeney Yeah total opposite of ''The Terminator'' by Probe Software UK who actually forgot to optimise the game for 60Hz resulting in really fast music. The LinKueiBR/DUSTINODELLOFFICIAL hack actually optimises the audio for 60Hz rather than 50Hz so the music matches the 50Hz speed.

@kellymountain 3 жыл бұрын

@@Oysterblade84 from rhs: CONFIRMATION, PLEASE READ: So, I've had a fair few comments saying that with Traveller's Tales being based in the UK, the game's original aim was for PAL and that it's actually NTSC speeding it up (rather than being made for NTSC and then PAL dragging it down). After asking Jon Burton via Twitter, he has now confirmed that this is NOT the case and it was always intended for NTSC. Source: twitter.com/JonTt/status/1341105836832092160?s=19

@justanotheryoutubechannel 2 жыл бұрын

It really is weird, you’d think they would’ve corrected it.

@GerbilSoft 3 жыл бұрын

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S You have found the secret 50k subscribers screen

@rjrozeTV 3 жыл бұрын

guess you could say everyone "hit" the subscribe button

@ym2612girl 3 жыл бұрын

lmao

@fnln3011 3 жыл бұрын

Fun is infinite®

@hyperthethiccboi8698 3 жыл бұрын

Yay!

@Jackgalaga 3 жыл бұрын

NO WAY! NO WAY!

@ShiningProdigyTAS 3 жыл бұрын

Sonic: faster than the speed of sound! Pal mega drive: pulls out uno reverse card

@StudioMetroProductions 3 жыл бұрын

2:50 When you play a bad flash game and you click play twice:

@indielicious9733 3 жыл бұрын

This game is a real BLAST on 60Hz! ...Anyone? ...I'll see myself out.

@luisjogos821 3 жыл бұрын

Blast,3d blast... i get it

@gertytk5528 3 жыл бұрын

Every Genesis game is a blast because of blast processing!

@JarekTEK 3 жыл бұрын

@@gertytk5528 :)

@jellybear7615 3 жыл бұрын

Oh I see.......

@cay7809 2 жыл бұрын

Sonic Blast

@Julian_Pepper 3 жыл бұрын

As I recall, the Saturn port was an assembly code port from Genesis to Saturn, so it retaining the Genesis PAL limits makes sense.

@NovaCore777 3 жыл бұрын

It looks like you got 50k at just the right time, making this a Christmas gift for all of your fans! I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year RedHotSonic!

@brayden6449 3 жыл бұрын

AKA Weird model smiling Sonic vs blue Super Sonic.

@Miles_3298 3 жыл бұрын

9:34 - I just want to take a moment to appreciate the way that you're fighting that boss. The Cool Way, that is. Good stuff. Also, I'm among the (smaller?) crowd that loved this game as a young one and still kind of do.

@Saiune 3 жыл бұрын

i will always have a soft spot for my 2nd sonic game ever even if it's not perfect. But i love the saturn version of this game! (especially the music) congrats on 50k red!

@cgnfake6721 3 жыл бұрын

It sounded kinda good when you mixed the 1st stage theme with the 50hz and 60hz. Had someone actually decided to do a mashup, I feel like it could have come out really nicely.

@themcguinnessexperiment617 3 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna miss this series.

@CharlesShow 3 жыл бұрын

Sup

@themcguinnessexperiment617 3 жыл бұрын

@@CharlesShow Oh hey! Nice to see you here.

@kirisuna19 3 жыл бұрын

@@ViSat6002 Won't be any different!

@diskdem0n 3 жыл бұрын

Why? Is it gonna go away?

@meralklc871 3 жыл бұрын

Is the series cancelled now??

@tylermaxwell9687 3 жыл бұрын

The last time I was this early, KZfaq wasn’t a thing I’m not joking

@makalinus 3 жыл бұрын

628th boissssssssssssssssssss

@ruchellemiller8423 3 жыл бұрын

Hahahahaha

@555elohwssa8 3 жыл бұрын

Wow an actual original comment I am shocked

@JulianR2JG 3 жыл бұрын

Last time I was early, it was BC

@ruchellemiller8423 3 жыл бұрын

LOL 😂 I

@justanotheryoutubechannel 2 жыл бұрын

It’s really surprising that they didn’t optimise it properly, but it doesn’t bother me really because I mostly play the PAL version and it feels almost too fast already, it must be crazy hard to control in the 60hz version. It feels very natural to me at 50hz, quite slippery and speedy, but once you get used to it it’s not that bad.

@hacktrixapii 3 жыл бұрын

Red, huge congratulations on 50k subscribers. Also, remember the "Does it work on Real Hardware" series? Those were good! Rewatched the whole series three times!!

@hacktrixapii 3 жыл бұрын

I actually expected the Saturn to fix some of the slowness on the PAL Mega Drive. I was searching for a certain Sonic track I was going to use n a future video, and found the song for the special stages of S3DB. What a banger!

@XentinelSB 3 жыл бұрын

The last part about hairstyles got me good lmao

@goblinmcgameface 3 жыл бұрын

[ 2:50 ] Wouldn’t ya know it, that sounds like my mind throughout my play-through!

@wormarms4143 3 жыл бұрын

MAMA LUIGI??? HAHAHA

@HEXlDEClMAL 3 жыл бұрын

Nice to see ya get to 50k subscribers! You absolutely deserved it.

@user-hk5nm5nw3e 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for putting so much effort in this kind of videos

@stunnastream11 3 жыл бұрын

Technically you can make your own Japanese copy. Jon made Japanese scans for the Diretor's Cut for both box and cart.

@JoSephGD 3 жыл бұрын

So, all Classic Sonic games have been exhausted, outside of a few spinoffs... When's Sonic Adventure: 50Hz vs 60Hz?

@alfo2804 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if this is a joke, but literally the only difference is that the PAL version supports PAL60, which means it runs in 60Hz and makes use of the higher vertical resolution. Other than that, 60Hz mode in PAL has identical performance to NTSC. There is a 50Hz option in PAL, but this only makes it run in the lower vertical resolution and at 25fps - the game still runs at the same speed, just a bit choppier.

@t0biascze644 3 жыл бұрын

dreamcast hardware is optimized for 50hz so it runs at same speed

@ElPackster64 3 жыл бұрын

Amazing video RHS! And congratulations for the 50K!!

@higoizmahnameiszetcat 3 жыл бұрын

0:20 im cant stop laughing on america design

@andresbravo2003 3 жыл бұрын

My Most requested video! Thank you RHS for uploading this comparison!! 😇🙏🏻😉

@pcostel1 3 жыл бұрын

Man sonic 3d on the Saturn had such a dope soundtrack.

@Editor909 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 50k! :) Idk what else to put here so have a good day and stay safe :)

@dannyleedawber 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on 50K here's to more annoyance from m- I mean 100K subs yeah that's what I meant 🤞😂

@Nitroxity 3 жыл бұрын

I've always played the NTSC version and I'd still say Sonic is very controllable. DX improves it obviously but I always still had a great time with the original. Honestly I think the aversion to the game (especially in the US) may have to do with our audience's general unfamiliarity with isometric platformers, whereas Europe had plenty of them!

@M3KAI5ER44 3 жыл бұрын

2:50 That was really enjoyable actually, a nice mix.

@littleguystar 3 жыл бұрын

So the short series is over. Congrats on the 50k subscribers!

@bigtsl_games420 3 жыл бұрын

congrats for the 50k subs RHS i watch all your videos and i love them :)

@bigtsl_games420 3 жыл бұрын

oh and i subscribed like in september

@erpresident1312 3 жыл бұрын

Very interseting video. Subscribed!

@ruchellemiller8423 3 жыл бұрын

THIS WAS AWSOME I LOVE THIS SERIES

@robertoquiroz6114 Жыл бұрын

Sonic and Knuckles 50hz vs. 60hz? I've been waiting for a video for almost seven months!

@sonikku1011 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats on getting 50k subscribers! 3D is a meh game for me, I grew up with the Genesis version and have more nostalgia for it’s soundtrack. It’s certainly not the worst Sonic game I’ve played. Sik’s no flickies hack is my personal favorite way to play the game.

@mymomschannel9452 3 жыл бұрын

The Japan sonic scares me LOL also Happy 50K and Merry Early Christmas I might not be on KZfaq for a while because I have KZfaq kids this my mom Phone but just know I'm always watching you on my Fire TV stick your so fun to watch!

@Final_ChaRgeD 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats RedHotSonic You Deserve it your Amazing

@itsNikash. 3 жыл бұрын

Ooh, the return of the speed comparison videos, but with an upgraded boost. 6:36 a nice, cheaper alternative, and temporary solution. Some very interesting results from the PAL side of things.

@divinesonic2243 3 жыл бұрын

They removed Puppet Panic act 1 music why? It was always one of my favourite tracks from this game.

@abneryates4304 Жыл бұрын

wow. i always wondered why i had almost no trouble controlling sonic as a kid, but lots of trouble controlling sonic on emulators on this game. now i understand why after the explanation of it being easier to control him with 50hz. thank you for clearing that up! that mystery will no longer plague me.

@mikofox9798 3 жыл бұрын

The bare console with the spinning disc and fan looming over t about to fall onto it will haunt me til I die. Thanks, RHS.

@AshburnTheBurningHedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

Good job on the 50k sub

@DarkShamilKhan 3 жыл бұрын

I never knew Sonic 3D Blast had a 50hz

@paddy844 3 жыл бұрын

@Mihnea Bărbulescu Its a britsh game All TT games came to the PAL market.

@justanotheryoutubechannel 4 ай бұрын

Technically Sonic 3D Blast didn’t, but Sonic 3D Flickies’ Island did!

@stephenmorris8619 3 жыл бұрын

The reason this the tracks on the Saturn version is the same speed is the fact of Redbook Audio use, the same applies to Sonic CD's non PCM tracks.

@Thamus979 3 жыл бұрын

Wow this is a cool video I played that this year and I liked the game

@fanofretrotechnology3802 3 жыл бұрын

Cool comparison

@TheBuffest. 3 жыл бұрын

Woah cool 3D!!! Is amazing

@BabySonicGT 2 жыл бұрын

The European boxart for sonic 3D blast looks so cool the black just looks perfect

@UltraSonicHero 3 жыл бұрын

I've always been into Sonic 3D but not the Genesis or Mega Drive versions because I loved the Saturn soundtrack because the songs were more appeasing than just 8 or 16bit. Once played this on the PC when I was a kid and I would always play it over and over again.

@epicstar86 3 жыл бұрын

Epic comeback

@alfonsoinfante7598 3 жыл бұрын

Me encanta tu canal gracias por los subtítulos en español

@tommybakes5972 3 жыл бұрын

Hope you have a good Christmas

@Absi5the 3 жыл бұрын

Huh I thought it was a sonic 3d blast directors cut review but this is still great nice vid rhs.

@Turbulation1 3 жыл бұрын

He already did one

@Absi5the 3 жыл бұрын

@@Turbulation1he didn't do a review on it.

@Turbulation1 3 жыл бұрын

@@Absi5the well he played it kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pcxoeZt9qZqZlYk.html

@diskus_invr Ай бұрын

2:50 this kinda feels like you're in a long empty hall with the source of the music moving further and further away but staying pretty much the same volume

@adamsfusion 3 жыл бұрын

The main gameplay slowdown of the Saturn PAL version isn't surprising. The game was ported to C from the original 68000 assembly almost straight across. Without any timing adjustments, it's likely and almost certainly clear by the footage that it's still tied to framerate.

@ct1660 3 жыл бұрын

Have you considered running Jon 's Director's Cut edition of Sonic 3D? Would love to see a video to see if it works on actual hardware.

@ArpeggioPegasusMusic 2 жыл бұрын

4:32 if RHS doesn't indicate that it was captured on an emulator, I think it's safe to assume that this footage actually proves that it indeed runs on real hardware.

@icecoldbluesonic 3 жыл бұрын

Never did I think I would see the day this happened?

@RadioTails 3 жыл бұрын

Fun fact. The 16 Bit US and EU versions of the Sonic 3D ROM are the same. The subtitle that appears depends on the Hz setting: 60Hz = Sonic 3D Blast 50Hz = Sonic 3D Flickies' Island I have been meaning to make a code where you choose which one to load. May go and do that now!

@riseoflion2104 3 жыл бұрын

The Japanese version of 3D Blast on the Saturn is really damn expensive too, gg for getting it RHS!

@paddy844 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, its one of the last games for the System as far I know, The Dreamcast was already released in Japan at that moment.

@riseoflion2104 3 жыл бұрын

@@paddy844 Yeah, they stopped producing the Saturn in 2000, one of the last games on the System. Tbf it's kinda sad, the Saturn has some great games

@paddy844 3 жыл бұрын

@@riseoflion2104 Especially when you look at the Japan only games. The saturn was a great console.

@PatSmashYT Жыл бұрын

I love how the saturn thats compatible with 240V is the one having PSU issues in the UK

@NunofYerbizness 3 жыл бұрын

I still wonder why no one has yet made soundtrack swap hacks for Sonic 3D Blast yet… It'd be neat to hear the rest of the game's Genesis soundtrack in the Sonic Adventure style.

@fanofretrotechnology3802 3 жыл бұрын

I loved this complete comparison series and I hope you make an 8th video in this comparison series for a better ending even though some your channel shows end bad no offence

@megadriveleo 2 жыл бұрын

Do Sonic Spinball! These are so entertaining

@PlasticCogLiquid 3 жыл бұрын

I loved this game too! Played through it on the PC version :]

@AGwolf2097 3 жыл бұрын

RE: Load times I have the US and Japanese versions of 3D Blast for Saturn, and the Japanese version loads faster than the US version. I wonder if load times were improved for the PAL and japanese releases... Also, always been a fan of 3D Blast, got it on launch day for the Genesis, never had a problem playing it like so many people have complained.

@mauriciominicuci6544 2 жыл бұрын

3:45 you can't fool me, it's a pun XD and i give it count that the name it's different before you say it, and i was like "wait, 3D Blast isn't that long" XD ×2

@devingiles6597 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, redhotsonic. It was a coincidence that the Sega Saturn port of Sonic 3D Blast (or Flickies' Island) released in Japan on the same day as the European launch of the Dreamcast on October 14, 1999.

@ScatterbrainPete 3 жыл бұрын

Correct me, if I'm wrong but I believe that on that same day Japan also got Sonic Adventure International, which fixed a few things present in the original Japanese release from December 1998.

@stuff31 3 жыл бұрын

SMASHING 16.9 CRT BRO!

@ScatterbrainPete Жыл бұрын

Are you ever going to cover the 3D Sonic games on the sixth gen consoles (Adventure 1&2, Heroes, Shadow, possibly Riders and the PS2 version of Unleashed and Zero Gravity)? It's definitely an interesting topic, considering that there's a PAL60 option being added to the mix and apparently not implemented well in some cases, which leads to things like Heroes on PAL Gamecube running too fast on PAL60 or Adventure 2 reading button inputs twice).

@AlexParr 3 жыл бұрын

Ooh, I like the new TV you have there! What model is it, and could you possibly tell me the model of the other one you had?

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

This new one is the BVM-D24E1WE and my old one was the PVM-20M2MDE :)

@bbbank8582 3 жыл бұрын

Yes! It’s back

@doyoueatpie4829 3 жыл бұрын

Even though I’ve played the Genesis version and not the Saturn, I think you should play the Saturn version. I think I could bear it more. Also, I might try the Saturn version soon. I already have a Genesis though.

@diamondmanpixel76_ng 3 жыл бұрын

2:02 I think that I know what's happening: As you explained in the Sonic CD video, the FMVs are at the same pace. Perhaps Sonic 3D Blast on the Genesis/Mega Drive was going for the same thing here. 7:12 That's because it's CD audio, like with Sonic CD. P.S., maybe you could do Sonic Adventure 50Hz vs 60Hz?

@JavaCake 3 жыл бұрын

Congrats

@sonicplays2321official Жыл бұрын

Best video ever!!!!!

@anttails 3 жыл бұрын

6:14 I had the exact same problem with my model 1 Saturn and ordered the same ReSaturn PSU. So far so good. Just make sure you get a good AC Adapter or else you might end up with some noise on the picture (I experienced that, replaced the adapter and it went away)

@connorplays6263 3 жыл бұрын

If I ever go back to Sonic 3D Blast I'm mainly going to play the saturn version through emulation

@pacomatic9833 3 жыл бұрын

2:47 Why does that sound so pleasing

@SluggishRain 3 жыл бұрын

Glad America (a.k.a me) could hold your back here with there being no Japanese Mega Drive copy

@SteveCirelli 3 жыл бұрын

How come there wasn't some power adapter mod or different power supply to supply 60hz to the mega drive? Was this to keep some sync with the TVs?

@hyperthethiccboi8698 3 жыл бұрын

Man this video sure was a 3D Blast.

@rjrozeTV 3 жыл бұрын

50Hz at 1:41 be like "screw this I'm tired of being behind" Also this is a bop 2:50

@lucss21a 3 жыл бұрын

Can I ask a question? If you punched your Saturn, it will be activate the hidden level select?

@Aiman01812 3 жыл бұрын

a really nice video but the Italian subtitles are a bit wrong if you want I can try to improve them

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's Google Translate for you lol :)

@tortallbaali 2 жыл бұрын

I like the series but I found a few different things in the PAL and NTSC versions of sonic spinball

@IronsWorks1990 3 жыл бұрын

Wow my Model 1 PAL Saturn has the exact same issue, makes a groaning sound when you turn it on. I actually thought it was the laser because I didn't see any leaks on the capacitors.

@someguynamedethan4293 2 жыл бұрын

What you you think about doing a sonic spinball 50h vs 60h

@MorbyGanaWho 2 жыл бұрын

So... Sonic Adventure 50hz Vs 60hz? Or perhaps spinball? Or mean bean machine? The 8-bit games?

@RobsonRoverRepair 3 жыл бұрын

I've saw that PAL Saturn issue before when they have been used with US power adapters / converters over loading them. Was your Saturn bios / chipped modified per chance?

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

No, that's not it. If I had put a USA/JPN adapter into it, it wouldn't power up. And if I put a European power into the USA/JP Saturn, it would immediately blow and never power up again. My PAL Saturn works on the mains just fine as I live in the UK. My Japanese Saturn I have to use a stepdown transformer to decrease the 230V down to 100v.

@RobsonRoverRepair 3 жыл бұрын

@@redhotsonic see I wondered as I've struggled to place your accent!

@t0nito 2 жыл бұрын

Were there any PAL megadrive games that took advantage of the extra resolution?

@gengar-1997 Жыл бұрын

I know that I'm late, but, the answer is yes. Play Knuckles' Chaotix and/or Virtua Fighter 32X, for example. (yes, I know these are 32X games, but still)

@Autumn5layzallday 7 ай бұрын

This gesture at 2x speed is hilarious 3:20

@VictorHedgehog 3 жыл бұрын

10:28 Nice spike hair

@BlueYoshi 3 жыл бұрын

Will you do the 8-bit games next?

@stoopidmansidiot 3 жыл бұрын

After playing the JP Saturn version on Mednafen, I can confirm that the Panic Puppet music oddity is a regional difference. Not only that, but some zones like Rusty Ruin have had their act 1 & 2 tracks swapped for some bizarre reason. One positive note, however, is that the previously silent Special Stage results screen plays the act clear music in the JP version.

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

Rust Ruin's music is fine for me on my JP disc. Same with Special Stage clear music. Its just Panic Puppet act 2 being duplicated.

@stoopidmansidiot 3 жыл бұрын

@@redhotsonic Oh, that must have been the wrong zone I was referring to. I could have sworn at least one of the zones had the act 1 & 2 music being swapped. Or was that because of the sound test?

@redhotsonic 3 жыл бұрын

@@stoopidmansidiot I thought the PC version swapped them over for some reason and not the Saturn?

@stoopidmansidiot 3 жыл бұрын

@@redhotsonic I checked, and the PC version doesn't swap over the themes. As for the whole act 1/2 music swap thing, that's probably just how the tracks are listed in the Sound Test. Sorry for jumping to conclusions!