LS Mark hi

When the creator of the video gets less likes then the other comments

Feel similarly. I'm one of the few that enjoys lost world, and alongside most folks enjoyed Mania and Generations. But the way SEGA is treating the series inside and outside of the games, to the point where the games at their very best will never come close to their potential because of those lovely mandates. It's hard to respect the series when it no longer respects itself, it's creator's intentions and it's fans. In favour of shallow pandering, especially towards pop-media critics and this bizarre hatedom this series has gained. Any who glad you made this video, alongside other channels. Even if nothing happens, they no longer have an excuse to play stupid, and people can realize this franchise was genuinely worked upon and cared for once upon a time.

I like lost world too

Your carries a lot more when your not the only "sonic fan" ranting to sonic mania's final boss theme

*TOP 1O BUTCH ANIME MOMENTS*

Does anyone know when "Link is Missing" is going to come out?

Lol

bro i see you all the time on wumpa lewis’ channel, you madlad

Wow just ignore Mario's time machine smh my head

i'd honestly be interested to see how that would go! bad or good, it's different and trying new things helps push more timeless ideas! Like sonic as a knight. I liked the idea and the world, crazy sure but it's different.

Wako Doodle True. Also the music was BOPPING.

@FlyingDead L Well- Sega isn't necessarily "Struggling" they've got plenty of absolutely fantastic games (Yakuza and Bayonetta are some of the first to come to mind). It'd be more accurate to say Sonic Team or just the Sonic Franchise that's having difficulty

The only problem is what they want kinda sucks More boost more boost more boost ALL BOOST

If they don’t listen to fans the fans probably won’t like it I mean just look at what they have been putting out without the fans

He’s still there sure he’s changed dose not mean he is missing.

@@goldenboybenny7511 nope he's just a genric game character now

forces bad

me too its sad.

I legit cried during this.

Yeah, it's ironic.

Yes

forces bad

@@wumper9691 yea

@@theobamiumchronicles2838 watcha’ mean? His personality was captured with the opening cutscene of 06’. Just the little things like how he tapped the robot that he fried out. Though I understand that it didn’t have much as the other games. For me his personality in that game was not to run away but to run towards the problem, like the speech he gave Alene. Also look! 69 likes

"I miss you sonic. And i hope we can find you again some day..."

Same 😔

You mean super sonic?

@@lightgivemepower6425 no, this. 34:44

We all did.

I agree wholeheartedly. I hate the "It's just for kids" or "Sonic is a child franchise" argument people make because it tells me that they are treating kids like idiots when in reality when you look back at the stuff you experienced as a kid did you really think they dumbed it down? No. If you don't believe me, look at the cult following Namco franchise 'Klonoa'.

EXACTLY

@London Wright although I feel lile I have to mention that Robotnick / Eggman dying and transferring his mind into a robot was only a part of the comic canon and in the game canon (as far as we know) he was always an organic life form.

@London Wright no. The red eyes were a result of the american design / box art mistaking his black goggles for demonic empty black eyes and deciding to complete the demonic look by giving him red pupils.

Even Sly fucking Cooper does that.

What do u mean he has 189k subs!?

@@TheLightSaga that's not 1 million subs though

@@TheLightSaga ...thats not a million

@@TheLightSaga Not to mention this comment was made 7 months ago

yo smoke the bear.

Despite all the weird and silly ideas that weren't like Sonic at all, his character was the most Sonic it ever was.

They may have been bad/mediocre games, but they did have the best depiction of sonic’s character ever written.(06 to a lesser extent)

WE NEED MORE OF YOUR OPINION

Unleashed sonic was personally my favorite (ironically to me it’s the last game we had the sonic we know and love) BUT YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Sonic felt like a character that was here to stay and his personality could never move. But nowadays his character is so memey

I can't agree with this. Sonic is really bland and lifeless in that game. Secret Rings and Chronicles are dark age games that did his character right I think

Let's just hope that never happens again. Because it never will.

Huh I didn't know Elise was on youtube! How's it going?

Help Sonic kissed me and I think I liked it.

Trojan for Furries sonic just kissed you like to undo

@@trojanforfurries2383 did you get his number? cause i think i might like it aswell.

Really wonder how that Greek Mythology game would have turned out.

@@koichidignitythief7429 I can maybe imagine some stuff looking similar in design to Marble Zone from Sonic 1. I'm not exactly sure what the level's aesthetic was based off of, but the thought of running through architecture similar to it in 3D would be cool. Maybe have something similar to the Wisps be introduced to link back to the various Greek Gods and Goddesses? Lightning dash for Zeus, stuff like that.

Me too!

Black Knight was a bop, at least from a thematic standpoint

I loved Sonic's voice in those games and Unleashed. He sounds way more mature, like he's grown up. Maybe Sega should've changed his official age at that point to 16 or something. And then they go and screw it up with "Baldy Nosehair".

If I was head of Sega I would make a new phase or Sonics future, kicking off with Sonic Adventure III

The problem with sega is their time products,they always pressure their employees to products at the time they're set with no delay whatsoever,reason why Sonic boom:Rise of Lycis failed because Sage pressuring them to product few months after trailers even the developer said they need more time to do this so they have to cut quite alot of abilities that show in the trailer and only products on one console which is vita(one of the least played on mordern console). If Sega just handed another person,it would be much better

Yakuza

There is actually a good video talking about Sonic Music. It's by this guy called Liam Triforce. It's pretty good. ^^

YUP. I don't know how they do it, but man, I can search up just about any Sonic game and enjoy the whole OST. My favorite part about this fact and the fact SEGA is fine with fan-work is that this leads to even MORE incredible music, like Sonic Before the Sequel and After the Sequel. These OSTs are amazing and stand up next to the best in the official series and I listen to them in my daily life a lot. Some more semi-obscure OSTs that people should check out: -Sonic 3D Blast Genesis -Sonic Robo Blast 2 -The FEW tracks there are of Sonic 2 HD If there's more really good lesser known songs and OSTs, let me know!!! I love this franchise's music

Though Forces has some iffy music. I like Sonic's stages but the OG has only acceptable music and Classic Sonic's sounds dreadful. But Shadows is good. Seriously should have made it Shadow 2 instead as Shadow fit the story better than "nothing beats the power of teamwork eh partner?"

Except forces, I think the game’s soundtrack is completely forgettable for the most part

I don't want to be that guy, but after a certain point if that becomes the only thing you can say is consistent it starts to matter less. Sure, the music is always nice but the most important thing in the end is the game.

Sega:Buy Sonic Game Also Sega:Sonic Game Bad

I was actually going to diagree with this comment, but now that I think about how Forces turned out, you might be right. Instead of trying to focus on one solid Modern gameplay style throughtout, they instead tried to cater to the mainstream crowd with the Avatar and nostalgiabait with classic. Instead of getting a serious story that would fit the premise, we got a mess that tried to be extremely lighthearted and serious at the same time and ended up falling flat on its face on both ends. After all, we can't have take ourselves *too* serious again, because that's the reason why people disliked 06's and Shadow's narratives, not because they're poorly written, paced and rectonned the shit out of previous games. And don't even get me started on the mess that is the music direction. It seems like they really had no fucking clue what to do with this title.

Or even alternatively, give people what they want but still add something unexpected. When everyone wanted the Mario 64 formula back for 3D Mario, they made a game like it but at the same time added so many things that nobody would’ve ever asked for. If they just had a small starting point from fan interest and took it a good direction from there it would turn out better

Bandanna Doo I didn’t think about that, but it’s a great idea.

Bandanna Doo What’s also really interesting on this one is that the Mario 64 formula is absolutely nothing like the 2D Mario formula. 3D Land and World were 3D versions of the 2D formula, but the majority of the fanbase came to the conclusion that they liked the 64 to Galaxy version better because it was more interesting and played it less safe.

I still want to see a Mario game that harkens back to the time he had a Brooklyn accent.

@@koichidignitythief7429 unfortunately that won’t happen, his “wahoo yippee” Charles Martine voice is too iconic

@@koichidignitythief7429 HELLO PAISANOS

@@conic2721 you mean HEY PAISANOS

I'm a fan of both too

You must be depressed lmao

Yes

@@BlackSpidersTV dude is just so annoying it feels good

Agreed

Remember when arin was just the quiet sarcastic asshole with jon? But now hes just completely egotistical and loud right in your face?

He was wearing his clothes backwards

But then the people who made him special made him the character he was all those years ago and people are enjoying it, so why can't Sonic do the same?

SpongeBob’s identity is going to be even more confusing now since Nickelodeon wants to do tons of spinoffs of him now

@Dusk Raccoon and they will always nothing is perfect

I think everything outside of the show is what is wrong with spongebob. How Nickelodeon likes to milk shitty meme merchandise and how they like to disrespect Stephen Hillenburg’s wishes by creating spinoffs. Brand wise spongebob is just souless. But I still love the new episodes and every season of the show expect for like maybe season 7

fun fact: literally everyone knows this edit: not "literally everyone" knows this

Wait fr

@@possibly_ben they know about this because of Twitter

They should be fired for their sht writing

@@VictoryReviews ken pontac and warren graff, the writers for the series since colors are actually no longer writing for the sonic series it seems. There is finally a chance at a good story.

Yep.

Not to mention it's making Sonic more into a joke. The self-aware shit is cringy when Sega and Sonic team themselves are doing it.

​@@user-sp2jg9rx8r i guess its now up to fans to show the franchise respect since sega clearly isn't gonna do it

@@jdawson7877 Too bad popular morons will reduce those efforts to dust.

@@user-sp2jg9rx8r how sega expect people to get invested in the sonic series when they themselves keep treating the series like a joke

I really loved black knight

I don’t understand what people hate about Sonic having a sword along with sweet Armor, unless they’re getting offended because he’s “too cool” then they should let SEGA do their thing.

@@eattheboard1684 well some people says that sonic doesn't need a weapon becuase it looks out of place

Unleashed is my favourite game in the series! The voices and characters were great, and the gameplay was all around pretty good.

fun fun fact: there is a ww2 propaganda cartoon made by disney of donald duck working for (the naughty german people during the war) oh and daffy hits (the naughty mustache man) with a hammer one time

Geehhm

“Were they vEeAypIng?¿”

@@unusedaccount9077 that one's funny too

pehfect *geahm.*

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The Sonic Series was doing everything right with the Adventure Games & 06 had a better story than anything we've gotten from the 2010s decade & only suffered from being severely rushed. Black Knight was the last Great Sonic Game, & after that Sega of America gave in to Critics & betrayed the actual fans entirely. The "Just Sonic" mentality was a mistake which only the critics actually wanted. The 3D Boost Formula isn't even sustainable & it still pisses me off that Sega of America threw out everything that actually worked for the series repeatedly & chose to keep the stuff that didn't work for an entire decade.

Sonic Hedgehog They only understand the SERIES at a surface level. That’s why it broke and why they’re making the fans do the work.

@@CarbonRollerCaco no.06 had best team dark,dark knight sonic was clearly the best written sonic and in those games other characters weren't just clickbait.There mistake was listening to people like YOU who believe sega broke the series.

Ahmad Kazan Blah blah blah, opinions and all, but what the Hell is with people stanning for Iizuka recently as if Naka wanted this for the series as well?! *He didn’t.* This is, like, the third time I’ve encountered this, and this time, I and others are being painted as whiners who won’t just bend over like “good little children” and take what we’d been given, just like what Naka was dealing with during his time at Sega. I mean, some things are indeed debatable, but there’re PLENTY of things that have gone OBJECTIVELY wrong. Why the Hell was the Ark, a 50-plus-year-old space colony equipped with a plasma cannon of mass destruction just floating high above the planet’s surface never even SUGGESTED to be a thing, let alone glimpsed in space or stormed by Eggman, any time before SA2? Why didn’t GUN destroy it so long ago instead of merely shutting it down? What really all happened in ShadowTH? Why is Tails suddenly not only incapable of fighting without some sort of technology, but also outpaced by Knuckles of all characters? And why in the BLUE FUCKS is he now a total noncombatant?!!! And why is Sonic suddenly this god-monster of a hero while everyone else is at best barely above normie level despite their prior major feats?!!! And why is S3&K suddenly only canon as its separate games instead of as one game as was intended all along?!!! The Sonic series IS broken, and Takashi Iizuka IS among those to blame in spite of any actual good ideas that he may have had. He’s a madman with his own ideas for the Sonic The Hedgehog series contrary to what’d been established prior, and he’s getting them implemented because they’re what the Sega higher-ups want, too. They don’t want anyone but Sonic, Shadow or Eggman to be a serious force because they want the franchise to be strictly “rad”. They willingly keep Pontac and Graff around and push tryhard memes for the same reason. It’s a disgraceful continuation of Tom Kalinske’s intentions, and I refuse to bow to it.

ARKS X It kinda sucks that #CancelSonic was trending on Yuji Naka’s Birthday

@@theminecraft2516 wow

Do you miss X too? We need a him and Zero back, very much so.

😢

you forgot that sonic frontiers is coming out

SAAAAAAME. Modern Sonic is not the Sonic I know.

@@dcb99filmz I freaking love movie Sonic, And I actually feel bad for him

I can't believe I'm saying this but I kinda wanna hug the guy.

i love movie sonic, first characterisation in years to actually feel like a teen. like hell i found myself in the porn artist sphere, i see sonics cock on a daily basis and yet never a movie design, it's always a cute picture, kinda shines doubt on the age up argument but eh, point is he's an adorable bean who has an uncorruptable child like aura and brought back some serious characterising themes like sonics unstable personality due to trauma and lonliness which adds some realism and depth to the character. honestly wouldn't mind if he replaced modern as the main mascot.

@Nobody1473 and maybe voice actor too 😉

@@eliptical7033 because if he used his super speed in a race it would be cheating

also sonic likes to challenge himself, so he puts himself in a car

Eliptical to be fair for his friends lol

@Arodi 536 I bet the people who make fun of Sonic would come up with another argument like “SONIC IN A VEHICLE? UGH, CRINGE.”

Imo a better version of Sonic R would be great because the ideas introduced in that game were fun and creative (even the music imo) it just needs better execution but I don't think that'll ever happen

hm...like?

Jayden C camera issues, taking itself seriously

@@OmegaSon well camera issues usually get criticized for. but taking itself seriously? can be done if done well. like would someone really criticise a franchise like metroid for doing something like that? no they wouldn't

Jayden C bro it was in the video lol, the completionist or whatever was saying stuff like “this is a franchise about a hedgehog stopping a mad doctor to save animals” or something along those lines. And no they wouldn’t criticize Metroid for it, that’s the point of the video

@@jerrithegentlemen6070 well one. kirby dosn't change much I agree but it doesn't really seel that much. also sonic's gameplay style changes a lot so...pokemon and cod could change to wow...ok first off I don't remember people calling sonic characters one note second. you've never played a mario rpg or mega man x game huh? animal crossing? that's a bad example with what kind of game it is...not all games not to be plot focused it's when they TRY to be like sonic for example.pokemon? depends it's not always plot focused but it does really try at times and usually it works out.haven't played pikmin but is plot even a focus? I mean maybe but Im not sure kirby and pokemon are usually easy. Is sonic really that easy in comparison? although pokemon cna be tough at times (trust me it can) kirby? less so in main game more so post game. never played little big planet glitches? people mainly complained about 06 but that's different since it was a unplayable mess cause of glitches alone. skyrim and fallout I get and people point them out there even kind of a meme with Bethesda and thee games being glitchy. never played sims 4 but I've heard of the demon baby glitch. fanbases? what does this mean with "getting away with"? everyone knows about cringey fanbases and points them out fnaf especially also pokemon "just as cringey"? pokemon atleast doesn't mock itself and tries to be funny and make memes all the time like "ha ha guys laugh at our meme reference that is ou of place and feels liek were just trying since all we got left is humour" like the other day I saw something about them making a reference to the "this isn't even my final form meme" but it was fitting since they were talking about zygarde. also say what you may about pokemon but there hasn't been as many bad pokemon games as sonic. so please try harder if you wanna say pokemon is as cringe

Hans Yin Lim bingo

You could really hear the anger in his voice

What?

​@@lightgivemepower6425 It's not really relevant to the video, but here goes: There's kind of a running joke where OneyPlays will subtly rip on Game Grumps, usually indirectly They'll talk about how it's stupid to think starting a Let's Play channel needs to involve hiring a bunch of stuffed shirts without really knowing what they do, they've mentioned using emulators and save-states so as to not waste the viewer's time dying over and over again to the same thing, they've mentioned the stupid fan theories about girlfriend-punching (less a jab at the channel itself and moreso the fanbase, but it's still an issue that wouldn't exist if the Grumps has been more transparent) They've talked about milking a joke past the point of being funny, and then selling a shirt of it, they've riffed on the idea of laughing at the co-host's jokes even if they aren't at all funny, burping whilst recording and not editing it out, and even Wendy's promotions. Any of that sound familiar? There isn't really an end to these if you're keyed in. If you're looking for them, I'd say they do it most in the Super Mario Bros 3 LP and the Luigi's Mansion 3 Let's Play I can't really feel sorry for the Grumps here, a then-member of OneyPlays was doxxed by the Game Grumps fanbase specifically because he thought that Dream Daddy was pandering to the LGBT community (he was LGBT, so he'd know more about it than Arin) and the Grumps did absolutely nothing to address the matter. Even his parents were harassed in this. TLDR: OneyPlays makes fun of Game Grumps sometimes.

@@Kanohoro okay thanks.

@@Kanohoro While I'm not familiar with what Dream Daddy is, I imagine it's one of those silly, tongue-in-cheek dating sims where you get to date KZfaq personalities like that one game that lets you date Bandai-Namco characters that the creator of Homestuck made (namcohigh.klonoa.org/index2.html). While I wouldn't call it pandering to LGBT people (again, I have no idea what the actual game is like), saying so is absolutely no reason to get doxxed for it. That's like doxxing someone for thinking that Boku no Bowser was a waste of time.

@@whichcache2517 Yeah, I haven't played it, but that's basically the gist of it. I've heard like 10 times more about drama surrounding the game than I have about the game itself, it's a really stupid reason to doxx someone

forces bad

I always find it weird since Sonic Satam came out towards the start of the franchise

@@superzigzagoon Most people simply remember the corny Aosth show. If Satam came out today, people would call it a "furry drama". Its like Satam represented the Adventure and Dark Age games whereas Aosth represented the Metaverse. I would take a show with heart like Satam or a game with heart like Sonic 06 (funny that both have princesses and both have adventure and soul) than a souless cheesefest that is the Meta Era games.

He’s made it pretty clear that he thinks that Mario 64 and Ocarina of Time aged badly too.

@@TigerMan-og5bs so there fans ignore what he says about other games but still listened to him about what he says about sonic games? (Sorry about my grammer)

Who is Arin/Aron?

@@Bob-op1ue that's exactly what I've been saying.

@@nate6144 Yep.

Agreed

Yea i actaully really love unleashed, yes there are many problems, the aerehog stages, maybe the werehog its self. But this game was really gorgeous

I love Sonic 06, Sonic Forces, and TSR, and people just insult me when I say I like those games.

@@martinazunino4867 TSR? I never heard of anyone disliking that game .-. (never played it either) I feel sorry for you tho, people shouldn't be insulting you for what you like.

@@martinazunino4867 I like sonic 06, shadow the hedgehog and lost world. I was pretty disappointed with forces and didn't like it that much tough.

Mhm, okay

That's because he is a blank slate in most of his games compared to sonic who has character and matured and grown overtime, changing those around him.

@@lightgivemepower6425 When was the last time Sonic ever influenced someone? The last time I recall this happening was in Sonic Rush (2005). And Sonic actually recieved character regression given how much of a dick with big ego he became post-Colors. I'm not disagreeing about Sonic being better char than Mario, I'm just adressing my opinion on this subject.

@@pawenewman138 sonic 06, sonic and the secret rings, unleashed and black knight all did that and evolved sonics character more

Ehhh, is he really though???

Tails's Skypatrol and Tails's Adventure

@@felipe_drawmania1604 he didn't have to save Sonic in those games

Me: wait finding and findinf dory was big Also me: finding sonic

sonic 2 for the gamegear but its the opposite

can't wait for tails' mansion

Ah, I see you were born in the disappointment era as well my friend?

Gaming Lakitu idk, it was honestly some of the best years of my life

Logan Sandeen thoughts on sonic boom

@@Logo1770 Yeah, I enjoyed lots about the current era, but in recent years I've been seeing the flaws with some of the current stuff

Generations and colours were probably the best start you could of had lmao. Two of the best sonic games in my eyes

Rain head I really hate it when people force down opinions on other people

People who listen to dumb critics (Game Grumps, ProJared, IGN, etc.) are brain-dead.

@@tiruliru1189 game grumps we’re never supposed to be taken seriously, they aren’t critics, they are self acclaimed idiots playing a game for content.

They mostly like the music, theres even a cover of infinite with arin and natewantstobattle

I never ever in my entire freaking life hated sonic or Sega

Colors doh

@@orangeman3220 and even then, he still likes the games but purposefully chooses the bad games because he thinks they'd work for better material since people come for the rage.

@@RetroWolfReviews people come for more than that but yeah

lol xd sonic gam is bad let’s make new gam with ocs an den shit on it even doe it juss cam out en 2017 now less make new gam with the name sonic adventure 3 and ad mario cost oom!

Pepsi I completely agree.

I really think the sonic team needs to reboot the series one last time and get some actually competent people working on the games. After a reboot they could finally begin working on the public's perception of the franchise

Oily Turmoily we already have a new reboot,it just needs actual games now.

Pepsi, I don’t think rebooting will work anymore. They have done that twice (excluding World Adventure) with ‘06 and Boom and look how that turned out. Sonic Team just needs to just get a good game out and finally look back in its lifetime so they will not repeat the same mistakes they have been doing for the past 30 years!

It's more than they're listening a little TOO much from their critics and detractors and try to please them AS WELL as the fans. Not a good idea.

I thought someone was knocking at my window! WTF!

Me too y3t

True dat.

misaimed marketing

Not to ruin your day or anything, I really don't want to do that, but to me it feels like half the fanbase says the Adventure games were good, half says they were bad/mediocre/aged badly/are overrated... and then there's like 1% that has a balanced take on them. Me? idk I never played them and avoided any gameplaye footage in case I wanted to ever play them

And Shiro Maekawa left after the greatness that was Black Knight.

Yuji nakas part aged like milk

Lost World came out around the start of the last decade.....

Sonic Heroes also came out somewhere around the turn of the decade... yeah maybe my observation isn't as concrete as I thought.

Sonic Adventure came out in 98 and Sonic Mania in 2017 However, you are mostly correct.

If you still count next year as the start of the decade, then sure we'll get a good Sonic game, probably.

Unleashed came out in 2008...

*Sees black knight being heralded* I tip my hat to you. One legend to another

The PSP was a success though

Don't forget the riders games. Those are some of the best in the series! Except free riders.

@@Everik-ct6pg I never played those because they were on the same system as Mario kart and half my childhood was spent in that game.

Rush 1 is my favorite game is the series. Its mostly nostalgia and it was my first sonic game, but the music and gameplay is so goood

Agreed

I think is because Mario and Zelda didn't have controversial eras like with Sonic

@@mariajimenafigueroa233 As a Mario fan, I can confirm that that's not true. There was an era between 2012 and 2017 where most of Mario's games were bland and mediocre, apart from 3D World and Mario Kart 8 which were actually good. You got two uninspired New Soup games, the incredibly insulting modern Paper Mario games, and other Mario games which were as vanilla as possible, the worst being Mario Tennis Ultra Smash which many people call the worst Mario game (other than the educational games and Hotel Mario). There was a return to form when Odyssey released.

@@dannys8014 I think the difference there is that none of those mediocre or bad Mario games are part of the main platforming series, which has always been of a consistently high quality. I mean, what's the worst Mario platformer? Sunshine? Lost Levels? None of them have been anywhere near as bad as the worst Sonic platformers. Plus none of those spinoffs were broken disasters like '06, were more bland and lackluster more than anything, and have been mostly forgotten unless you are an old school Paper Mario fan angry at the direction the franchise has gone in (which I certainly am for the record). None of those are memorably bad enough to really define that era, so if you were to bring up that era of Mario to most people, their mind is probably going to jump to 3D World, MK8, Mario Maker and maybe Mario Bros. U (which was solid if uninspired) and not Ultra Smash which is a forgettable spin off. If a mainline Mario platformer had been as bad as the worst Sonic platformers, then maybe you could have had an era like that, but the reality is that lackluster spin-offs don't really affect the quality of the franchise in the public's eyes that much, even a bunch at once. To show this with Sonic, I rarely see Sonic Free Riders brought up in conversations about the worst Sonic games, despite the fact that it's controls are unplayably broken, and it is probably worse than 06 and Boom. But it was a spinoff for the Xbox Kinect, so nobody cares or remembers it.

@@kylejones8289 Yeah, I guess that's true. When it comes to Mario, the worst games are the uninspired ones, which usually isn't too bad.

Sega also has Virtua Fighter which is the most deep and complex fighting game series of all tine. They've made a bunch of quality games. It's just Sonic has been burdened with ups and downs since Sega dropped out of the hardware business.

Shin Megami Tensei, bruh

@@rika5082 Wait, Sega owns that? Scratch that: Sega has other big IPs besides Sonic? o_o

Same I thought that was actually my door 😂

samee

I looked back at my closet and thought someone was inside, i kept looking for like 2 minutes 😂

Sir Pls Dont do that to those alien. They don’t want part of this. Your becoming a monster •~•

I knew where that timestamp went and it still scared the shit outta me.

MangleMan25 Also, they completely ignore actual long-time fans.

It always comes off as such a stab in the back and a slap in the face how much they keep rewarding the likes of the Game Grumps, but can't seem to give so much as a passing glance to the likes of Roger van der Weide, Somecallmejohnny, Peter Knetter, or any other KZfaqrs who, you know, *actually like Sonic.*

I know,Like saying Lost World Copied Galaxy Heck SA2 had a [albeit crappy] Gravity mechanic.

@@aryandescendant6116 I remember seeing people saying Sonic Colors ripped off Super Mario Galaxy, simply by virtue of Sonic going into space. I also remember when people insisted Sonic Unleashed and Sonic and the Black Knight were both just blatant rip-offs of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess.

@@lugbzurg8987 They said that? That's like saying Halo ripped off Doom because the main characters where the same colored clothing.

SEGA: Well Sonic is just blue Mario, because IGN said so...so sign us up Nintendo! I'm sure the WiiU will be as successful as the Wii. Also SEGA: Oh and would you mind funding Bayonetta 2's development? We're spending our own funds on a new Sonic sub-franchise (Sonic Boom).

Never give up, Sonic...trust your instincts.

2014 was an awful year for sonic in general.

i was honestly scared, especially when it came from the direction of where the corner of my room is

My fucking heart hurts now from hearing that-

**Casually adding Shadow shirt to my cart** Huh? What is he saying?

Yh agreed even tho unleashed was a great game regardless black knight was ok too not great but playable

ign is biased.

Aaron Knox And IGNorant

I have issues with Unleashed and it's not really a favorite, but the fact that some outlets actually scored it on part with or lower than 06 when it launched was a fucking tragedy.

Andrew Kos Exactly. Say what you want about Unleashed, but you can’t lie, they were being so unfair on reviewing the game. I know Unleashed has issues, but it’s far from a 4.5.

Eguy Igbin Nah

If the mainstream would rather have every game be 2D games that are just Sonic, Tails and Knuckles running though the world, I'd rather have every game be on 06 quality. God, I just miss the ambition that this series used to bleed.

Trojan for Furries lol I get you

@@trojanforfurries2383 agreed

Honestly, the werehog isn't even that bad. I'll defend it to my death. It gave way to great gameplay, and even though it was a silly idea it worked in the story, so checkmate atheists.

toei? why is that a criticism?

100% would Buy. I think the people who think Sonic in a car is dumb would agree too (I personally like the racing games but i know a lot of people think Sonic being in a car is just silly)

AND... can't forget to add new tracks and bring back all the other characters that where in the original too! But no green hill... seriously we need more chemical plant stuff...

@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 you can also add the modern guys too, and then there's the DLC possibilities

Based and redpilled

I definitely think it's conceptually interesting and worth another take. Actually, loads of Sonic games are like that but Sonic Team are too scared to try 'em out (or haven't thought about try it).

Yeah, I read them. I got all the 25 physical comic issues of that. Including the Tangle and Whisper spinoff. I've been enjoying them alot. Shame the Corona Virus isn't going away anytime soon for me to go back to comic shops. I look forward to the 2020 annual.

Honestly I like how they're handling the characters, except Shadow. He's still just an arrogant, edgy douchebag. (i.e not sticking to the plan just so he could fight Metal Sonic on his own and getting himself infected by the metal virus instead of running because he's "not weak".)

What’s sad is the reason that he’s an asshole is because Sega mandates he be that way, Ian Flynn wanted to write Shadow more in character but he couldn’t.

@@AVGNROCKS1996 hasn't Sega been restructuring recently though? You think there would hope for that type of mandation to change for the better?

i've read them and in my spheres receptions mixed, i wouldn't say they're bad, just the best thing in years which is still just above mediocre, has good concepts but still falls back on things fans were sick of like the zeti. just lead to people idolising the comics cause it was the return of quality for modern sonic storytelling, and hatred cause people got over hyped and expected something as complex as the story in sonic adventure.

Mutiple poorly received games in a row happened.

Sega and/or Sonic Team happened

SEGA did.

Snuggs indeed Sonic look find and I hate it •-• there no wound no damage no character filament )

Remember how almost every Sonic character went through a character arc because Sonic being himself was enough to change the people around him for the better?

I miss the cocky yet heroic Sonic from black knight, he felt like a actually person with depth and heart, who cared about others around him and was never afraid to do the right thing. Now we have a Sonic who is just a meme machine and is unlikeable as hell.

Charlie Mulcahy I recommend you watch the sonic movie he’s cocky and has a heart it feels like a return to the black knight version of sonic just with a more younger personality.

Hussain Abdullah Idk about that, suddenly giving modern sonic the movie personality would seem way off considering the fact that his voice actor sounds really old and wouldn’t fit the young personality, plus he acts less childish than movie sonic (aside from stupid dad jokes).

Hussain Abdullah yeah, least they could do is do Black Night Sonic or just Dark Age Sonic back to us. (Without Jason.)

He has a fanbase there, just not big there.

Oh, he has a fanbase there. They're just not as fucking rabid and loud like all of us in the west and beyond.

He does have a fanbase over there. Just not as big as in the West

That's so accurate

Classic sonic 1991 to 1998 ( spongebob seasons 1 to 3 ) Mid 2000s sonic ( spongebob seasons 4 to 8 ) Modern sonic ( seasons 9 to 12 )

@@RKRo313 and there's you go the easiest explanation ever

Loved? That’s funny

I think it’s wario in that one smash alternate costume

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Brawl is not bad, the other games are bad. (I kinda like Sonic 06)

You don’t like sword and shield? I mean it isn’t the best but not bad

Only two of those games are bad and one of them wasn't even developed by Nintendo.

@@begottenbaker did i ever say that nintendo made them

Hey guys, look at this bug that I found, it totally happens randomly, it totally didn't happen because I walked backwards, which bugged the game, giving me a reason to tell you why this series is garbage and should just die in a fire, why would I do that?

@Ironbay Knight G come on now, that's ridiculous.

@Ironbay Knight G that's stupid, that could never happen.

Hot take, that channel was carried by JonTron and absolutely went to crap as soon as he left.

They were kinda cheap and petty shots in my opinion. Let me explain. I'm a fan of both Game Grumps and LS Mark and I know that there are people that are amused and entertained by Game Grumps and there are also people who are amused and entertained by LS Mark and I just happen to fall into both categories. I think both these channels are really good and I find enjoyment in them one way or another, however the fact that one is at the throat of the other with more hatred than a human being should have towards another human being makes me sick. So maybe you don't agree with the choices of someone else and their brand however you shouldn't let that anger boil so much that it turns into vicious hatred of another person who's just doing his job in a way that some people find entertaining. Like I said I'm a fan of both these channels but I didn't know I had to choose one to like and hate the other.

Also I hate how almost every character has been turned into such an 1 or 2 dimensional stereotype that will barely do anything for the story or any other characters.

Agreed

EVERYONE does my first sonic game was actually colors and it isn't that bad really

Same I hate to see the new sonic I loved when he was cool not some dumb 4th wall breaking cartoon character I miss sonic and i dont know if he will come back

@@_v3geta140 was....sonic ever edgy? that was shadow right?

oh yea XD

He wasnt edgy he was cool

RIP. At least IDW comics are good, but it's still mediocre.

Thanks Ian Flynn

R.I.P Fleetway comics

hey don't forget fleetway

*Um aren't you forgetting AoStH*

I... KNOW... i don't want to be mean or anything, it's just because i heard that SO many *DAMN* times.

@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 it's fine I feel like that with some things too so it's fine in was just doing it for all the ignorant people who hate that sonic kissed a human and no nothing bout this

They realized that was a stupid idea and didn't do that.

The man with the baby hands And they changed their mind in ‘06 for some reason.

The man with the baby hands Actually no they only changed it out of fear that it would affect western sales

Not colors