To clarify, that's not development footage of Sonic Xtreme, but of my game: Seniriu. I live stream Saturn homebrew programming. If you want to get into Saturn homebrew, there are many resources and tutorials linked on emeraldnova.com . Also, we have an annual Saturn homebrew competition with cash prizes. The Sega Xtreme community is always willing to help new people get into game development.

Free the homie sonic!!!

I'd like to get into homebrewing one day. Not for Saturn, but rather Dreamcast. Dunno anything about the process yet, but I'll be sure to look into it once I've got a good computer to do so on.

Why do people hate fisheye ? I wouldn't mind playing this. It actually looks easy in the eye while being able to see what's coming forward in a distance ON A SIDE SCROLLER. The problem is the crapy level design that plays like Croc and definitely doesn't suit sonic. I think people'd die mostly due to depth appréciation than actual level difficulty. And i didn't know fisheye effect was so easy to do in real time that it ran on saturn ! Why don't we have curvy feild of view in modern games instead of that wide angle perspective crapp that actually shrinks the center of the screen and prevents you to see what you need to see ?

Sorry but I got a bit confused, what is the game shown at 2:30? is that and super super early versions of Sonic "4"?

Honestly if i were in their shoes i would have quite, they were put in no conditions that anyone should have to work under. Thrown under the bus by superiors CONSTANTLY.

That is exactly why crunch culture is toxic

@@TheHuskyK9 crunch helps finishing game faster -Bad Game Director

@@flow185 If one woman can produce a baby in nine months, that means three women can produce a baby in three months, right?

Yeah that made me really sad.

Kids were busy thinking about Nintendo vs Sega, but the real battle was Sega Vs Sega. Which somebody should do, because former Sonic 2/Spinball devs and STI where more than happy to talk about in the early 2000's.

@@Oh-Ben There's a book called Console Wars that details the war between Sega and Nintendo during the 16-Bit Era. It also talks about how Sega of Japan constantly sabotaged Sega of America

Sega of Japan: New phone who dis?

@@Snake4985 but why, why kill your own branch of your tree when you fucking own it?

@@Snake4985 Is that the one by Harris? I was interested, but reviews are saying it’s less of a 3rd person, documentary-style look at the facts of the situation and more of a biased, novel-like story with made-up dialog and other weird stuff.

They where at war with each other. Sonic 2's development was a nightmare. They hired new talent for the project. Zero experience in games (this was seen a plus back then) so they knew how nothing worked. The Japanese leads taught them how it worked, but nothing beyond that. The computer they used would straight up delete files if the files name started with a lowercase "s". This was apparently known by the senior staff. If anything got scrapped, it was more than likely something the US staff made (Hidden Palace). The final game only featured a handful of designs made by the US staff (These people WHERE HIRED TO WORK ON THIS GAME). They went on to Sonic Spinball and alot of their scrapped designs were used there. Sonic 3 only had 1 or 2 Americans working on it. They couldn't even be proud that SoA made 2 and 3 because they technically had nothing to do with it. (How Yuji Naka ended out in SoA is another story, lets just say it wasn't his choice). So the seed was set here. SoA felt that its management of Sonic and its success was due to their marking, which it was, and Sega of Japan did not respect them for their efforts, which they didn't. At no point did the Japanese staff help the US branch. Japan was almost actively sabotaging SoA's games, while SoA was trying to make sure SoJ's games would sell in a western market, something SoJ still care to think about. Mind you in Japan, the Mega Drive was not a success and still isn't seen to fondly to this day, outside of Sonic, Japan cannot name alot of MD games, they loves the SNES that much. SoJ wasn't convinced the next generation was going 3D, while the American branch was trying to secure deals with graphics companies, SoJ was working on making sure the Saturn could perfectly port the best Arcade games. SoA was able to secure a good deal with one company, because like any realistic person knew what the future of video games was. At some point, Sega saw a working demo of a Nintendo game or PlayStation game and shit their pants. They made whatever last minute changes to get the Saturn to run 3D games. This is why the Saturn was a nightmare to program 3D games for, it wasn't designed for it (Sonics model in Sonic R, his torso and legs model are stored separately from each other as an example). Guess what, remember that deal SoA worked out, who needed it, they went with a rival instead. Most of SoA was gone by the time the Dreamcast hit due to the terrible mismanagement of the Saturn. Imagine if Nintendo and Sony both made games for the Playstation. 2 rivals working on the same console, that is what Sega of America and Sega of Japan was like.

@@Oh-Ben I remember watching a video about that hardware deal! If I remember correctly those people came to Sega of America because they were personal fans of the sega brand. The president of sega of America made an appointment and everything to show off the graphical power of what they were trying to sell and Sega of Japan treated them like shit, even going to an extent of saying they weren’t impressed with that technology. That same company than went to Nintendo and Nintendo made the N64 with their hardware while the sega saturn flopped. Sega of Japan had way too much pride.

@@GAPSYO3O1 poor Kalinsky, the only man with a brain at Sega

Man if both sides worked together and have no issues with the Saturn they probably would've still made consoles to this day.

@@GAPSYO3O1 that’s insane, if sega would’ve developed using that hardware, it wouldn’t smoked every other console on the market at the time because it would be n64 technology with a disc drive.

"His" technology... Whatever you create when you work for a company belongs to that company.

@@chrismanuel9768 Honestly, same. If the last few years can teach us something, is that neither Sonic nor SEGA need Yuji Naka in order to succeed.

Sega was a terrible influence on the man. His luck only got worse when Kadokawa sabotaged Rodea the Sky Soldier. The final straw was his overconfidence with Balan Wonderworld. Seriously his fall from grace all leads back to the same thing, corporate douchebaggery. 😔

@@garretts6678 npcs have this weird complex with Japanese "developers" like yuji Naka, tetsuya Nomura, masahiro Sakurai, that they're somehow better than the average suit. They're really not, yet when they mess up people feel like their heart is being ripped out of their chest. Like they just found out Santa isn't real except instead of milk and cookies it's soy and crickets

@@garretts6678 SEGA hasn't been an influence on Yuji since 2006, and so far, he hasn't done anything but producing mediocre to terrible games. Don't blame on SEGA if Naka doesn't know how to make games anymore.

I'll never understand why Square hired him in the first place. You'd think that when interviewer asked can he make an rpg or a game with a story and he got a deer in headlights look, he should said no.

Yuji Naka can suck it for being so possessive of an engine (Nights) that was the property of his employer and that absolutely should have been shared and reused for the good of everyone in development. What a spoiled brat. He deserves all the egg on his face from BANAL wonder-butt. He probably ran Sonic '06 into the ground and vamoosed when he realized that he screwed the pooch.

@@teranokitty Tbh, looking at how Yuji Naka is going right now, maybe he was one of the issues for Sonic 06's downfall, he did leave right in the middle of development. And if we look at the fan remake, P-06, that game doesnt change level design. All it does is just give Sonic actual momentum to his movement and adds in moves that weren't able to be added in the original and it actually becomes a fun game.

@@amazaine8743 yuji naka was lead programmer at sonic team forever. every post-genesis sonic title he worked on got increasingly jankier with each new release. i think it's safe to say he's not a very good programmer and likely a big reason why every 3d sonic game before colors/generations is awful

Can you lot be worst assholes?

You see it was never really Sega vs Nintendo. It was Sega vs Sega.

Sega does what Sega don't

@@isaacbear7115 No one will really agree with me but at the time in the 90s, people were more naturally inclined to buy Sega than Nintendo. It's just when Sega got dysfunctional, Playstation took it's spot in pop culture.

"An empire toppled by its enemies can rebuild. But one that crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever."

Nintendo won all along. I mean they are Nintendo after all. Not even Sega could beat em. They cannot beat it.

What a douche, Iizuka is the real guy that cares about Sonic and is not a dick

Douchébag. The man is a douchébag.

That sounds so cartoonishly evil I have to believe it

It sounds like a fancier way to say wet fart, quite the depresso energy title right there.

ZONE TOONS --- and also the names "Sonic Boom" and "Sonic Doom" we're consired too.

I wish they'd just done it. That final bit of iconoclasm would have been a cherry on top.

@@falendemo546 One of them was about Sonic being poisoned and each act was timed and the final boss called “The Chaos Doom”

Sonic Forces you to come up with a better name.

Pretty much the same here in America half the time.

It depends on what phrase was used. "Good luck" could easily be "ganbare" and that phrase's connotation is closer to "do your best" than "you're screwed".

Yeah, I’ve definitely told someone “good luck” as a nice way to avoid saying “it looks like you are figuratively driving off a cliff and I have no idea how to help you other than to hope you get away with only minor repercussions and I know that isn’t actually being helpful” a few times before. Basically, when someone is meant to be giving advice and they can only say “good luck”, you’re pretty much screwed lol.

"You're on the road to Ruin. I wish you all the best of luck."

That's a universal thing. You never want to hear 'good luck' when your coworker is clocking out while you clock in.

Hardly. Naka knew was a disaster this game was and wanted nothing his team developed attached to it. It would've just made them look bad. The incompetence of both Sega at large and the divided teams were responsible for this failure, not him. They had no united idea to make anything work.

Ooooo ouch yeah that's how it be

Kinda like happened with Mighty No. 9 as Inafune might also tried to light Capcom on fire

Sega of Japan had been practically trying to kill Sega of America ever since Sega of America managed to actually be successful over here. You know, a NORMAL company would be elated to have a popular video game system in the USA. Whereas Sega of Japan became petty and spiteful and actively sabotaged Sega of America on more than one occasion (for example: killing Eternal Champions so it wouldn't take attention away from Virtua Fighter). You would THINK a company started by American businessmen in Japan wouldn't be so hostile to it's own American branch.

@@OptimumTaurus Yeah, that's something that never really made sense to me; you'd think that the lure of big $$$ would transcend petty pride.

Sega infighting

Sega: Shoots one foot, second guesses itself and then shoots the other one.

If they cooperate together, Sega could be a force to be reckon with and give Nintendo a run for their coins in the gaming world but no.

Because the best way to fight your competitors is start an internal civil war between your employees.

@@hashimr.5473 Tbh SEGA is doing better than ever when it comes to video games. They have Persona series, The Yakuza series, Hatsune Miku series, PSO2 etc. And whenever the hell Bayonetta 3 releases it gonna be great. Its just The Sonic series they're taking a shit on.

They never stopped.

And they never will.

Haha, 32x & saturn!

The day Sega consciously makes a good business choice and learns from it is the day the universe ends.

@Merlin the M.S. Empathizer Sonic Forces: But I exist!!

Welp, he got he got a taste of his own medicine with Balan Wonderland.

Oh, Yuji Naka. You’ve... You’ve gone insane. You and Oshima. That’s what happens when you give up on Sega and let them almost rot and die with no remorse. I know that was a long time ago but have they really CHANGED since then? When i was a kid I looked up to Yuji Naka and Naoto Oshima. Now I don’t even know what to think. None of us do.

Based Naka

Let's be real here, nothing Naka could offer would save this game. I don't blame him for not wanting his work associated with this crap. Sega's bullshit organization or lack thereof was the real problem.

I mean that engine is probably his only redeeming quality.

The level of Sega's 90s dysfunction was insane. Just... everything about this is so utterly *classic sega*.

@@THB192 Specially the second half of the 90's.

@@N12015 No, even in the first half of the 90s. In the second half it all started coming apart, but even early on the cracks were starting to show.

SEGA didn't deserve that generous man

90s Sega is gonna 90s Sega

Sega of Japan did a lot of that leg work. Especially when it comes to the release of the Saturn in America.

And Yuji Naka

90s SoJ had gone insane... and had the kind of money in the bank where they could just blow through hundreds of millions and seemingly not notice.

not to mention making it to lead into the cancelled movie which i feel like would've made reviews if things had gone remotely smoothly still potentially worse due to the cliffhanger ending of the game, and who knows about how the movie would've factored in if they were gonna continue the game plot, have it tangentially related to game, or what

Not really.

Ehhhh, that's stretching things. Sonic hasn't actually had that many 'bad' games, and he's covered pretty much all of them. The Sonic franchise as a whole isn't 'bad', it's just really weird due to the 'Kids franchise with cute animals that sometimes deals with edgelord stuff and romance' thing.

​@@ashblossomandjoyoussprung.9917 Respectfully beg to differ. As a franchise, I'd argue it had a few years of traction, got hit by a bus, then spent two decades being dragged around, occasionally finding its footing by sheer chance. I mean, they pulled that "we need to rush this to meet an anniversary deadline" bullshit again *this year* with Sonic Origins. You can't tell me they're learning.

Let me guess: Sega of Japan's still salty about the U.S. making better Sonic characters than they do?

@@ottagol1985 i'm not totally sure- the og sonic team is like.. gone like, barely anybody from the original team still works at sega. though knowing the development of mania, i know takashi genuinely was very happy to work with christian and enjoyed the work he presented to him.

@@ottagol1985 They literally made Sega of America's CEO the bad guy of a game about Sega on Dreamcast. SEGAGAGA

@@mkge7206 which is ironic since that president of sega of America was constantly trying to keep sega ahead of the game and trying hard to keep sega strong in the US. He singlehandedly made sega popular with advertising alone, He would outright tell sega of Japan how stupid their ideas were, he told them how dumb the idea for the 32x was, he told them he hated the sega CD, and he even tried to get sega of Japan better hardware for the Saturn that was then used for the N64 because Japan thought their hardware was “weak” and that they had better hardware already in development. Sega of Japan was just too prideful, they were literally given every opportunity to be successful and they refused out of spite! I mean hindsight is 20/20 but they literally had people knocking on their door to help them succeed lol.

@@GAPSYO3O1 SEGA of Japan is one of the most cynical companies there is. The fact that they jumped on the Mini cashcow and are milking it in a way that would make Nintendo blush is telling enough (not even mentioning the GG Micro). The 32x isn't even their first scam, making the SG-1000 before abandoning it one year later is telling enough of their care for customer respect.

There is even an Xbox title Sonic Extrem... Which is basically Riders before Riders was a thing.

Emilio Romero --- the game's was one of the reasons why SEGA almost got bankcrupt.

unrelated but I love your animations, dude!

My favorite song in the OST is Crystal Valley.

Some of them are actually from the Sonic CD soundtrack.

@@vurpo7080 Jade Gully act 1 is.

@@hypnospaceoutlaw3376 Crystal Valley is good as fuck. It’s a shame none of that music will ever be used.

No no they still do this shit, don't worry. Now I'm just waiting for Nintendo's day of reckoning to come. Granted, probably won't happen unless some *serious* incompetency infects the upper management.

@@plantain.1739 nintendo's approch, when it comes to the corperate side, is simple: play it safe. this is the entire reason why nintendo weatherd the decade long storm between n64 to gamecube.

@@thebravegallade731Nintendo it’s been around the block and now without them worrying about the competition and going casual their worth billions and with the switch success it’s safe to say they aren’t in Sega path

It is still such a head-scratcher why Sega of Japan seemed to consider Sega of America their enemy. Tom Kalinsky had put Sega briefly on top of Nintendo during the 16-bit era and rather than give them more autonomy due to Sega of America's successes, it is like they did everything in their power to rein him in and force Japanese-market-friendly decisions on the US, despite the North America being the bigger, healthier market leading up to the Saturn's release

@@dacypher22ego my friend bitter bitter ego and foolish pride

"he'll be the slowest thing alive!"

well sonic 2 is the best sonic :x

Facts are facts.

@@cristiadu sonic 3?

@@drobnoxius9483 Sonic 3 isn't as smooth and accessible as Sonic 2. Sonic 2 just a more buttery smooth experience.

Mania is pretty up there...

Kinda wish they had an alternate cover with the Saturn Logo on it, though I guess corporate thought the Genesis was more marketable.

And also doesn't get charged with insider trading.

Miyamoto isn't a hack who got lucky and found himself as the poster child of a company that babied him til he got mad and left. Yuji is basically the gambler that got lucky once and has been coasting until he got busted for insider trading

ok

It’s comes to a full fucking circle. I don’t even know why he was credited for making Sonic. He was only a programmer.

@@burntpoptart853 because sega chose to keep naka for too long and didn't bother to fine more talent to work on sonic.

Feat. Larry Bundy Jr of course

Prepare for a 24 hrs video

@@000mjd he could make a new mini-serie just on Peter Molyneux XD

What happened: Don Mattrick

Kim Justice did a rather excellent job on pretty much that, I'd say.

For once. Lol

I got an ad for wine, so I guess it's broken again.

With how many times companies fuck up, he’ll likely be doing this…. [Terry Funk:FOREVER.]

Tis the life of the creator of "Wha Happened?"

Yeah, he dug his own grave at that point. Hmm... maybe I can do something about this...

Not to mention If Yuji Naka created the engine, doesn't that mean that Sega owns it too ?

I'm so happy

Yeah. Current Sonics would be called things like SONIC DEPRESSION!!!! or sonic xxxxxtreme let down

Context for the uninformed: Yuji Naka has left Square Enix after the failure of Balan Wonderworld.

@@marlonmontelhiggins8570 --- I sometimes wonder why he joined Square Enix in the first place, because didn't he after disaster of Sonic '06 created a studio that was making an MMORPG?

Silvian Bruno: Naka's career declined after he left SEGA. He thought Nintendo would hire him and they weren't interested. What Naka did to Sonic in the Saturn era and 06 was just wrong

@@vulcanraven9701 what did he do with Sonic 06?

@@TheWilku22 He ditched SEGA two years into the games development. He left the game in a ugly mess with no direction.

And the games made between the two varied from "okay" to "intolerable".

And then came the Balan Wonderworld Fiasco.

@@richardnash6111 I've never played Nights but every bit of footage I've seen of it since 2003 leaves me woefully unimpressed.

@@ikagura Well yeah, it's actually still among the best 3D platformers that've ever come out, hahaha.

@@richardnash6111 Funny thing is, Iizuka directed Nights, not Naka, so in the end Iizuka stayed loyal and, while having a hard time, made some good friendships along the way

@Devin S. *Mania* is the best- but it's basically just an evolved S3&K.

@Devin S. This is common knowledge

@@budwyzer77 Sonic 3K with touched up level design, then brutal difficulty

Some things never change, Classic Sega

Sega Japan and Sega America hated each other for no reason. And everyone inside hated everyone mutually. Sega was such a mess for no reason

@@janmarcoperezbatres2203 I think SoJ STILL hates SoA, I mean the fact they kinda screwed over the devs of Sonic Mania shows that.

@@URFTBOUND4LIFE well they were only paid on a developer milestone basis, and didn't get a cut of the sales, so that money ran out pretty quickly, Sega hasn't picked them up for a sequel project despite the runaway success of Mania and its DLC. unrelated but their Kickstarter for their own project didn't succeed as well. It really is a shame Sega didn't take them in as part of the company, or at least contracted more work to them.

@@jeremyabbott4537 For anybody curious, this NeoGaf thread has the developer’s video on the Sonic Mania payments and the failure of their Kickstarter for their next game: www.neogaf.com/threads/sonic-mania-dev-headcannon-says-hes-broke-recent-kickstarter-a-spectacular-failure.1510093/

This. All of it.

Saberspark has a pretty good video that goes into it a fair bit called "What Ruined Sega?" I could easily imagine a Wha Happun episode covering the 32X and the Saturn that would go into more detail on it, as that is when it started to really affect things negatively.

@@CinosTheHedgehog2000 I mean, Sega of Japan absolutely had its issues, but the Saturn was basically their best performing platform in Japan. For as many times as they fucked up, Sega of America fucked up too by completely ignoring (or more accurately, dropping the ball with) the Saturn's main franchise.

@@joeganbogan270 no they didn't. They literally didn't even have development kits. SoJ fucked SoA, as per usual.

@@ikagura Come on man, Sonic's been through so much just give the guy a break.

Wow, good ear, I wouldn’t have noticed without this

@Buff Ringo Right??? This, the actual modern-day Kaiba duel theme, the duel themes from the modern-day tournament in general (especially "Finals Match"), Heishin's duel theme, the Free Duel theme...so many BOPS on that soundtrack.

@@Turbulation1 You do realize selling consoles at a loss is standard practice, right? Sega almost going bankrupt wasn't because they lost money with every console sold: Sony and Nintendo also lost money on every console sold. It was because of *everything else.*

@@Turbulation1 When he was at PlayStation, he kept us from getting so many great 2D games localized. :(

What's your pfp from? If may I ask...

Controversial opinion: While Bernie had some wrong decisions over hating 2D Games, even that wouldn't have saved the Saturn, at best it would just give them a few extra million bucks in royalties, 3D was the standard since the start and people were walking away 2D games except for fighting ones. But when it comes to the tough part of the mangament? He made every right decision, he was the one who made the call on the Dreamcast because Sega of Japan kept screwing around with the west and the console fixed the issues the Saturn had with its horrible design and tough to program for 3D graphics issues, brought a stellar marketing team that included Peter Moore and bought Visual Concepts who made the best non EA Sports and estabilishing themselves as the leaders of the basketball videogames. But it was simply too late for Sega, having abandoned the western market for a year and half made its bad image with customers.

@@arielsuarez5527 Touhou Project. Specifically, it's fanart based on the first five games.

There is a documentary on paramount plus about the console war between Sega and Nintendo. Sega of Japan was apparently very jealous that Sega of America was a lot more successful than them, so they would do whatever they could to sabotage Sega of America. Sega is just consistently terrible with buisness decisions.

@@brianvaira486 Don't you mean SEGA of Japan?

@@sezunemizuhana3870 yep.

I thought Yu Suzuki was Sega's Miyamoto.

@@MrPoeGhost Miyamoto is in no shape or form bad. His gsmes are loved by many, even if not everyone loves it

@Levi Foster You might as well include Mortal Kombat

3d GaMeS oNlY!!

Then Bernie Stolar said: “no RPGs” and “no 2D games” for the Saturn. Which were the 2 things the Saturn was better than the PlayStation. Genius.

@@cartmann94 what were the standout RPGs for the Saturn?

@@thefreeburningspirit Guess Shining Force 3 and the Sakura Wars series?

um excuse me, but Wild Woody is the greatest gaming icon of all time. Do you not see his point and his eraser?

That acronym wasn't shared at the time, though

@@Arkouchie Yeah I get that. It's still an unfortunate acronym tho

@@Arkouchie Just an extra layer of oof for the retrospective 😅

“WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD NAME THEIR GAME COMPANY STD!?” -James Rolfe

Optimistically assuming there won't be any more Sonic dumpster fires.

I like Sonic forces. I got to make my own stupid Sonic animal it had cheesy songs about fist bumps and the power of friendship, and me and Sonic got to fight bad guys it was great. Perhaps a little overpriced for what I got from the game itself but if you can get it on sale or something it's not bad

Sonic Forces is fine though? Like, not standout but fine?

@@RainbowPowerRangerX _But how did multiple years of development lead to something so mediocre and generally disappointing to multiple people?_

@@RandomPerson-qg7yq I'm pretty sure that most people have decided how bad the next Sonic game will be before it is even out, and regardless of how good or bad it actually is won't change anything.

Tails had seen some shit that will turn you white.

I'm pretty sure he did that video already.

@@Junkyardproduxtions no he hasn't!

I'd personally love to see an episode on hello neighbor. It was a huge game a few years ago, but evert alpha was worst than the last, and people have recently been rediscovering it and finding out how bad it is.

I'm interested!

Then donate to his pateron account, and he’ll put it in his list of franchises to tackle.

Not even close

Speaking of Capcom, Wha Happun should cover an episode about Sengoku Basara and Capcom's refusal to release the rest of the franchise outside of Japan.

Capcom USA & Japan had a rivalry. SEGA of America & Japan were on full nuclear warfare.

@@Gatorade69 Thanks for the heads up! Will definitely check them out. But damn, thats infuriating to hear, but not surprising.

@@Gatorade69 After finding out how Sega of Japan sabotaged Sega of America I wouldn't be surprised if Sega actually gave such a bad support to third parties in order to make their games look better.

Y'know, a NORMAL soulless company doesn't particularly care where they're getting most of their success from.. they would just keep doing what they could to be successful everywhere. But we all know Sega isn't normal so Sega of America being successful and respected and becoming the video game company for American adults was deemed a problem Sega of Japan had to solve.

Simple, dirty gaijin had to go, glory to Japan

And then Sonic Boom Rise of Lyric...

From what I remember, they said something to an extent that the technology isn’t just right yet for a Dreamcast or Saturn mini so there is hope in the future!

Then imagine petty Sonic fans still making jokes on the same scale

@@doubleasworkshop1692 in the 1990s, Sonic was made to pull Americans away from Mario. That was the originsl intent of Sonic

@@Jacob-du7ez no shit. I bring attention to the "still" in my sentence