The only difference between them is, Shadow was originally designed to help people to cure diseases and had no life before his creation while Surge was made to be a weapon and had her whole life taken away. Now I do agree that Shadow is the only person who even has a chance of understanding Surge it’s not exactly 1-to-1. Though we do know someone who can actually help them, that being Belle who according to Starline has a special code that could counter their programming and releasing them from their prime directive

@@hyperdreamer9483 I'd completely forgotten about that detail, tbh. Although I never said Shadow's suffering was 1-1. If anything he's been through everything she's been through and even more. And let's not forget he's had more time to process all of it as well.

@@jackmortikthesegafan9317 Very true, on top of have plenty of aquanauts to help him through his issues while Surge for the most part is al alone, and I say for the most part because Kit’s literally forced to stay and support her basically against his will. Also fun fact, the binary code Belle has during Starline’s explanation translates out to Soul.

@@hyperdreamer9483 ...aquanauts?

@@jackmortikthesegafan9317 I don’t know how to speak that word, a bunch of people he tolerates

😅 That's Amy for ya

Good luck Pinkie, you got a lot of work cut out for you. Also watch your back cause a certain blue fox will be watching you at nearly all times when you’re around Surge

And she probably could.

Shadow: “And I can end her if she steps out of line. Permanently”.

No offense... But I'm pretty sure Amy was looking like she was mad with Surge on that page he showed in the video.

If Surge and Kit are to be redeemed, it’s bound to be a long development. All that psychological, emotional, and physical trauma doesn’t just disappear overnight. If anything, it’ll take months, maybe even years. But, I’d say Shadow would have a better shot at getting through to them. Not only could he easily subdue them both if the duo steps out of line, he knows what they’ve been through. Yes, Surge and Kit don’t have a past. But the first step to their redemption, could be them confronting their past, learning about who they used to be. Knowing they have a choice. Shadow has a past, unlike them, but like Surge and Kit, he didn’t ask to be made. But if even a hate filled, little to no mercy hedgehog like him, can find his humanity, so can they. He’d have better luck than Sonic getting through to them.

I'm just waiting for their partnership with Mimic to be over! Working FOR Clutch and with the Skunk Bros, I am fine with; but Mimic is PoS who can't die soon enough!

Couldn't of said it better myself

I want Surge to be redeemed too.

Absolutely agreed! You spelled out my thoughts exactly! Surge and Kit seem to be unique cuz every other character was in some way positively affected by Sonic, yet they seem to be the opposite, their suffering was indirectly caused by Sonic's actions, so that's why they hate him so much. I'm really hoping their story ends in a good way and Sonic's positivity affects them as well. Sonic is the embodiment of positivy, a symbol of hope, even the most broken characters in the past were able to smile once again thanks to Sonic's efforts. I hope that's the case again as well.

Even if he was joking she's still probably in ALOT of physical agony because of her abilitys, sure she looks like shes having fun when fighting and trying to shock everyone but this probably hurts her alot

@@sideways_chip_eater6420 It's also confirmed in her official design references that the dots on her bracelets actually expand to perform a huge electric shock attack that makes her sore and tired after using it.

@@lanolinthesheep704 and the earring pierces might conduct metal too so she's getting shocked all over

Thanks for all your comments! The concept of a "dark" Sonic and Tails is very interesting on its own but it becomes so much more interesting given the twist that Starline brainwashed two innocent kids. I too hope we see them redeemed at some point down the road

I think there should've been a Moment with Wisper to say to Sonic with this Line Oh like how you try to Redeemed Eggman and How did that Go ? and Have it Sonic shocked Knowing She has a point as IDW sonic wants to redeemed people but Not everyone can earn it has most people are to far gone to be helped or had moments to realize there mistakes but you can't always Redeemed everyone as people are to far gone to get it

​@@comicbookreviewer4856The thing is people have already been bashing Sonic for the Mr. Tinker thing for a while now. We get it, Sonic messed up. But even if Sonic knew Mr. Tinker would get his memories back, which he had no way of knowing, I doubt Sonic would have been on board with getting rid of him.

@@esteban8471 A point not many focuses on. There's a limit to how much Sonic can get railed on, although he definitely should have understood that Metal Sonic is still hanging on to his programming. Letting him go was a mistake, knowing the machines don't overcome their programming so easily.

Shadow isn’t an anti-hero.

@@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028 Oh my bad

@@starfilms8552No, u are good.

@@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028 thanks 😊

@@nithinshakthithiruppathi4028 Um, yeah, he is. Team Dark are just good leaning anti-heroes; in stark contrast with the Babylon Rogues, who are evil leaning anti-heroes.

Her story is pretty heart wrenching

Sega be going dark, y'all

Blud, Eggman is a textbook malignant sociopath with a chemical imbalance in his parasympathetic nervous system -- no way Starline is *more* evil than him. We're basically talking about a guy who single-handedly altered reality, enslaved multiple planets at once, paralyzed next man with his cybernetic enhancements and let his diminutive nephew starve to death in one of his container units. Not to mention the "collateral damage" Eggman has been responsible for over the years-... Eggman is a straight-up demon at this point.

Much appreciated!

Antihero is probably more likely

Shadow isn’t an anti-hero

Surge would straight up KILL Nine in a second or two!

Kit literally wants to kill Tails as revenge on Sonic for seemingly lying to him about Surge being dead and seemingly trying to kill her behind his back! Surge is not gonna get rid of Kit that easily!

@@videogollumer I meant that if they want to damage Surge then they need to get rid of Kit. That's what I meant. 😆 it's a dirty move, but it's probably the only way they can actually do some damage or at least get her to stop for a second.

@@bovineapples3012 Okay, I don't want this conversation to go in circles; so let's get on the same page. Are you saying that Sonic and friends should KILL Kit?

@@videogollumer no. That's not what I'm going for but that's a way to get to her. Is by having him either join them with I prefer tbh, or to get him and trap her. That's the only way to get her contained. Basically a trap scenario.

@@bovineapples3012 Okay, you and several people are CLEARLY underestimating Kit's own brokenness. Like I said, he wants to kill Tails. I'll admit, I'm only INFERRING that he wants to do it to scar Sonic; but that's just it. SONIC is the one that he HATES! He was literally glaring at him the whole time in Issue 67! WHY does he hate Sonic? Because he thinks Sonic want to kill and replace her as Kit's best friend to get him on HIS side! At that point, getting revenge on Sonic seems to be the only sensible explanation as to why he want's to kill Tails. My point in saying this is that Kit is no less mentally messed up than Surge! Of course, I'm not saying Surge IS less mentally messed up. They are EQUALLY mentally messed up; but their bond is real! There is NO "one or the other". It's either both or neither; and I guarantee you that if even one of them gets killed (ESPECIALLY if it's by that PoS, Mimic; and/or if it's before that PoS, Mimic, dies! Trust me; his time is coming!), the fans will non-negotiably be at Ian Flynn's throat over it!

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I’m kinda hoping Surge will do something that’ll make even the community hate her. They used to like star line a lot I remember and thought he was interesting and could turn good, even including him with the gang in memes and stuff, and now they hate his guts. I’m betting if Surge beats the crap out of Amy and some others they’ll just start hating her, and that’s definitely not outside Surge’s wheelhouse of moral code at the moment. I’m kinda expecting they’ll have her turn good and leave to make a life for herself or something, but there’s a slim chance she’ll show that, yea, some people just aren’t good people deep down. Something that’d be really funny is if Amy pulls strings to find Surge’s old family and friends, and those old friends and such would just reveal surge was always a violent hurtful jerk, and kit was a sociopath in jail for stabbing his family to death or something. It’d really just make them realize, Starline just gave them power and turned them to his side, he can’t totally rewrite who someone is, they were always just terrible people of their own volition.

De echo el tema de los deadly six digo si entiendes español pero bueno el personaje de zeena sería alguien redemible con una escritura distinta osea un ejemplo sería Chloe de Ladybug osea era alguien ególatra y malcriada pero al final el personaje obtuvo aceptación pero como el creador viene a arruinar nunca tuvimos su redención eso seria zeena un personaje que piensa en si misma y piensa que zavok y los demas zetis lo tratan como una familia pero no lo es ya que en tiempos pasados zavok le acaba de arrancar un cuerno por desobedecer sus órdenes todos dirán que es la cultura de los Zetis pero no es asi en el caso de lost world yo daria que zeena al perder por tercera vez en la batalla final aparece zavok y ella agonizando de dolor dice de verdad soy alguien importante y zavok dice:no estúpida solo eres una vergüenza no por nada te e entrenado y mantenido con vida ahora quítate de mi camino eso seria pero se que estarás en desacuerdo con el tema de ella pero eso seria la escritura de ella un personaje que piensa que es hermosa y alguien importante pero los Zetis como dijo su líder los Zetis se preocupan por ellos mismos o los Zetis no deben sentir lastima de ellos mismos hasta el punto de dejarlos a su suerte y al final ella cambia de página y se vuelve una especie de antihéroe o alguien neutral eso seria interesante pero como dije es un headcanon no hay que tomarlo tan enserio ya que las versiones de ella son pésimas junto con esa personalidad suya que tiene osea la personalidad de una diva de moda y en etc

@@fabioariadela3339 Comprendo un poco de Español. Sé la conjugación básica y algunas palabras, pero es por eso que tenemos Google Translate. Dicho eso, ¡¿estás loco?! ¡Consiguió descaradamente a Cream, literalmente el personaje más inocente de toda la franquicia de Sonic, infectado por el Virus Metal! Ella es tan cruel como Zavok o Zazz, ¡sólo que normalmente es demasiado vaga para demostrarlo! Además, los Zeti son demonios; ¡Los demonios son malos por naturaleza! ¡Son completamente incapaces de hacer el bien! ¡Mira a Zik! Tiene más de 1000 años, a diferencia de los demás que sólo tienen más de 100 años; y él es el único miembro que entiende por qué la gente piensa que el bien es preferible, ¡y él todavía prefiere el mal! En resumen, Zeena no tiene ninguna posibilidad de redención, ni tampoco ninguno de los Zeti. Son los que tienen menos probabilidades de ser redimidos que cualquiera de los villanos simplemente porque son demonios, criaturas cuya naturaleza misma es malvada.

It’s not that she’s too evil to be redeemed. It’s if she’s too broken to be rehabilitated. Her entire personality was wired around wanting to kill sonic. And even though she’s aware of it, she can’t stop it. Like how Kit is programmed to always obey Surge. If she gets redeemed, it’s not going to be easy.

Wow primero no termine mi pregunta segundo no dije esa nefasta versión de idw osea dónde su escritura es simplemente mala y ya solo dije de un headcanon y no tienes que tomarte tan enserio solo porque dañaron a cream

Eso quise decir osea seria interesante que almenos un escritor escribiera a zeena osea un ejemplo sería blackarachnia de Transformers beast wars osea ya se que suena tonta la idea de redimir solo estaba dando una idea digo gracias al comentario tercero dónde me explica de kit yo estoy pensando mejor dicho sacando una teoría que zeena solo es un peon para zavok o ella solo esta siendo manipulada y solo está destinada a pelear y perder pero como el personaje está subestimada y Sega siempre pone a los que mas valen la pena en la franquicia osea no estoy ofendiendo o enojado o tales cosas solo comento esto ya que estoy arto de esa personalidad de ella de idw ya que esa version es la misma pero mal escrita pero bueno saludos y hasta la próxima babys ❤

So? Eggman, Metal Sonic, Starline, Mimic, Clutch and the Deadly Six are far worse!

That's an animal.

​@@videogollumerhe's referring bad as "hot"

@@johnsonsharon81 Hot as in sexy or hot as in awesome?

@@videogollumer sexy unfortunately

......did you read the comic at all? Just because she didn't go into painstaking detail about everything she was mad about every detail of her pain doesn't mean it didn't upset her. All you gotta do is actually pay attention to Surge's face when learning about her past.

@anthonyrodriguez8788 yep, got it all 😁 That's kind of how this comic works. They express how they feel. Surge didn't care at all Starline kidnapped her and Kit. Look at her face, she just looked unimpressed. I don't know what else you mean. Surge isn't the kind go suppressive her emotions. She expresses how she feels. And she only became upset when she didn't realize whom she was. That's it. Maybe people might be upset Surge isn't upset she was tortured and kidnapped. But nah, all that upset her was her brain keeps screaming to go after Sonic, and she doesnt know who she is. Just a shadow to Sonic.

@anthonyrodriguez8788 2nd post. But you're not wrong. If someone was kidnapped and tortured, that would mess up their head, and they would be very upset about it. Surge and kit are the odd couple in which Surge and Kir dis not seem to care about that once they learned truth. She even looked impatient and wanted Kit to hurry up so she could find out who she was. And Kit's brain is so modified that he only cares what she cares about. They are an... odd pair of villians.