just have her go to scrapnik island and help mecha sonic rebuild the eggcarrier

Just like shadow

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I know almost nothing about Sonic, I have no inherent interest in learning more about Sonic, and me clicking on this video was kind of a random fluke of procrastination... and yeah, within the first 3 minutes of the video I was already like "I wanna steal this idea for an NPC".

​@@muchachowitz6803friendly advice: run now . Once you enter into the Sonic fandom, then there is no exit

Belle is the daughter of Mr Tinker, Sage is the daughter of Dr. Eggman.

But the comics are considered canon so the games are in the future while the comics are before Frontiers.

And then the fandom has omelette. I like to picture them as three sisters that are back at home when eggman is doing his shenanigans. Maybe that's just the Powerpuff girl fan in me

​@lazlow8788 I still don't know where that proof is. I read that the video games may take "elements" from the comics, such as Tangle, but that's it.

I hope to see that as well!

I can totally imagine Sage trying to pull a “join the dark side Big sis” without understanding the disparity between eggman and Mr. Tinker

As I can see Sage pulling "So, father... why am I just now finding out I have an older sister?"

Belle already has Metal Sonic for that. They are antitheses and represent their creators well. Belle repairs; Metal destroys. Belle is meek; Metal is bold. Belle is... *sigh* good; Metal is evil.

Belle represents more than just that.

I love that despite what life has thrown her way she is always willing to help others

Well, she could still stand to NOT repair robots who want nothing more than to kill her friends.

She's got a lot of friends and support. She's fine

Sage: (finds a picture of Belle) Father? Who is this girl? Eggman: A remnant of... other times. Times from before I rebuilt the Empire. Sage: Is she my sister? Eggman: Think of her as more of a morally opposed cousin that happened to be built by my dead amnesia identity. Sage: Starline? Eggman: Starline. (Later...) Belle: Who are you? Sage: I was told to think of you as a morally-estranged cousin. I cannot deny that appellation, given what I have learned of you. Belle: ...I wish we could both have our dads in that man. Sage: Agreed. I would very much have liked a sister. However... Belle: Starline killing my dad? Sage: Indeed.

I don't think Sage is in the cards. The current canon of Frontiers is that it takes place "five years after IDW." Unless that changes, I doubt sage will be shown in the comics and even if she is it would not be any version of her we see in Frontiers.

@@OtioseFanatic ...Darn.

​@@OtioseFanaticwait where was it confirmed that frontiers takes place 5 years later?

@@lpsamyrose one of Ian Flynn's write-ups about the game years ago when people IMMEDIATELY asked for Sage to be put into the comic. Apparently Frontiers is meant to be like, the last game in the timeline period with the plot exploring the idea of the characters getting older and even growing apart and having their own adventures like how Amy basically says that after the game is over and they get back she's leaving to go find herself. They even have sonic finally admit his feelings for her to himself but point out that it's "too late now" like it's a forgone conclusion that they probably won't see each other again.

Except Shadow.

@@valentinkambushev4968yeah….they stereotyped shadow like a lot of sonic media today but that’s due to sega’s new mandates (i’m pretty sure)

@@jojounicorn4610yeah unfortunately Sega seems to think that fans want Shadow to be edgy even though a lot of fans have made it clear they don’t want that.

⁠@@jojounicorn4610Stereotyped how? There were writing restrictions on him for an extremely long time (I had no idea there was such. Pretty stupid hindsight) And honestly, I thought how they wrote him was pretty on key. The dude’s suffered a ton. It makes sense he was willing to be ‘the person’ who killed Eggman if the others couldn’t, because he doesn’t want them to suffer the same fate he did (as he spared the humans who attacked Space Colony Ark, choosing instead to run away with Maria as scared children) Then in the Metal Virus arc, he was suffering from massive guilt of not ignoring the others and just killing Eggman (when really, he should have felt guilty that he just walked off and didn’t stick around to guard ‘Mr.Tinker’ while there was an impersonator around.) and kept going non-stop with no sleep. That’s why he was so ‘edgy’ there. Top that, when Rouge yelled ‘Run’, he had a PTSD episode, remember how he ran with Maria but it got her killed. That’s why he tripled down instead of running off the virus. Beyond that, when I last saw him in IDW (during that ski resort arc) it seemed more like he just didn’t know how to interact with everyone, which makes sense since he grew up in an isolated space station, and everyone gets pretty snarky with him (they’re just trying to joke around, but makes sense how that’s off putting to someone who never experienced that before) Come ‘The Murder of Sonic The Hedgehog’, it seems like he’s starting to take steps to reach out and make connections, given he actually went to Amy’s birthday to participate in the game, and he took drastic steps to get her a gift she’d like (when he realized everyone else got her something) because it mattered to him to make her happy. And finally the biggest step of them all (because Amy insisted) he’s going to go to the concert with her some time after the game’s events. His standoffish nature makes sense when you take things into account. It makes sense he’s nervous about the idea of being rejected by the group, after what he initially did and with how he grew up with only a few people and only knew the same people every day. Of course he’s not going to be a social butterfly, but he IS actually trying now. He’s making steps, and I think storytelling with him will get better now :)

​@@Norinia Yeah; meanwhile Sonic kept selfishly endangering innocent lives for the sake of giving freedom to the biggest evil **stards on the planet!

Why's that? Belle is happy now! She outgrew Eggman and became her own amazing self 😁

Eggman explains already why he terorrizes and does what he does in the comics 😅

I haven't read the comics. What is his reason? Is it just world domination or something?

@JokukranTheileochy Eggman is self-absorbed and thinks he's doing good. Comic issue #23 "I'm bringing peace and Unity to the world" with his brilliance. Of course, Sonic calls him out on it, but Eggman still believes he's right.

Eggman: Oh, there's also the abomina- I mean, daughter made out of wood, I guess.

​@@valentinkambushev4968orbot and cubot: what about us?

@@VoodooVDOEggman: HA HA HA!..oh your serious... HA HA HA.!

​@@benjaminmacpherson1336Coconuts, Scratch and Grounder walk in.

@@beed1tybatt3rsEggman: HAHAHAHAH- *hack*-*cough* HAHAHA!

Yeah, let her have a humongous family who hopefully will never ever EVER try to welcome Metal Soulless in!

​@videogollumer i mean metal sonic wont end up in scrapnik island because hes always retrieved and repaired. but Scrapnik Island is a perfect place for belle since the scrapniks might wanna welcome her

@@456tyso Oh no? What if he does, and that's where Eggman has to retrieve him from? What if the Scrapniks finally get off the island BEFORE they come across Metal's battered body? They may very well try to help him, just like Belle stupidly did. She hasn't exactly repented of that either. How can we trust any of them (Belle, Sigma, Mecha Sonic, etc.) to NOT repair him just because he was built by Eggman too?

@@videogollumer wait thats actually a good question.

​@videogollumer But Belle already has a family within Restoration. Sure some see her as odd, but she has friends and support from many characters there. In support to defeat Eggman. I doubt she would trade that away to live in an island while her "father" is out there terrorizing people with robots.

Funny thing is, it's not really _twisted_ so to speak about Eggman and Sage's relationship. Eggman legitimately cares for Sage's well-being and was downright hurt when she sacrificed herself to save him. Belle would probably be a bit mad and envious that Sage is getting what she wanted so badly. A genuinely caring father.

@@andrewowens4421 yeah which is why I say twisted. It’s what belle and Mr. Tinker had but eggman is explicitly still evil.

It WAS just plain idiotic of her to outright tell him that she interfaced with Metal directly.

Eggman KNOWS what he's doing; he just doesn't care. He only seeks to gratify his own ego, and doesn't care WHO gets hurt in the process. He feels the world disrespected the Robotnik lineage's intelligence; now he's dead set convinced that murdering people and carving up nature as he sees fit will prove he's a genius. In the end, though, it only proves he's a ridiculous manchild who has missed out on ten years of fundamental hickory switch spanking.

Though we ended up having a trio of the "kids" thanks to both comics and games. Now if we happen to have cross over with the Underground trio due to alternate worlds crossing again...

Aw im sorry 💙

Now if only she'd accept that her older evil half-brother is her antithesis and beyond a lost cause.

And then there's Sage. A truly inquisitive sister who wants to know, given the view point towards Sonic defying seemingly impossible odds.

​@@videogollumer or her sister for that matter.

@@valentinkambushev4968 Um, I think you made some wording errors, unless you're talking about Sage.

@videogollumer yes, I am talking about Sage, little miss "The world is his to conquer".

R.I.P. Motobud

Yep plus that motorbug reminds me of E-102 gamma ​@@SonicTheory96

I love her puppet design. Her name is also a play on Tinker Bell

They’re illiterate idiots

Probably bc of the mostly generic bgs and their... limited nature. Note how the comic never introduced anything as major as the games. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the IDW comics but part of me feels how limited the comic is in sceneries and character progression ; although it doesn't bother me all that much.

​@@FakeGokuUltrawell you can only blame sega for that one

i think it's time i stop agreeing with people so willingly, this Sonic rocks, to hell with his "rambles" against his fight with Surge... he's tried his hardest to reason with her and things didn't end up exactly how he's imagined... even if the mandates keep the better parts of these characters less apparent, i can't help but still love them all the same...

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL oh I agree the writing is great and I love the characters but Sega isn't helping with these limitations it could be so much better if Sega extended the leash even if it's just a little

I'm 20 now

I'm sorry to hear that. Remember that there will always be those who care about you. I hope you can find comfort in this channel and the Sonic Community 💙

​@@SonicTheory96thank you

I have a short on it, but maybe ill cover it in a full video someday!

I mostly put this here because i feel people might ignore eggman's good side.

@@Darknight-nc4iu You can't ignore something that's not there in the first place. Thousands if not millions of people were killed and/or emotionally screwed because of him, and he regrets nothing. He's a anti-life monster!

@@videogollumer And yet Frontiers shows that he does have one.

@@prufan English version only; the original Japanese had him with a more neutral attitude toward Sage. Besides, Ian Flynn stated that his writing for the English version wasn't meant to redeem Eggman. Coming from him, it makes sense; he LOVES to write Eggman as a total monster. Also, the whole notion that IDW is set in the canon of the games is pretty sketchy. I usually roll with the word of the creators, but I have my limits. Between Eggman's vileness and the self-righteous stupidity Sonic showed for most of the comic so far, they both just seemed like radical departures from their game selves. I mean, Eggman straight up tried to render the world uninhabitable, TWICE! Meanwhile, from Issues 6-55; Sonic gave autonomy back to a soulless killing machine, gaslit his friends, ignored their legit concerns, let Eggman off the hook for the Metal Virus, Went hypocrite on his preached ideals TWICE, and practically admitted to treason against his entire planet! I'm glad that phase is over. Anyway, I personally don't think these comics being in the same linear continuity as the games gonna work in the end. Sega & Ian have had to pull back on a lot: two worlds, Mania being in an alternate past, what exactly caused Eggman's evil personality to resurface from Mr. Tinker, etc. In the end, it just feels like they're gonna have to pull back on the games and comics sharing a continuity as well.

I never liked pure evil Eggman because he's a confusion of evil and comedy which doesn't mash well. Sometimes he gets along with sonic and friends completely ignoring all the horrible things he has done. If Eggman is a monster then he and Sonic's friends should not get along, it's like making Albert Wesker get along with Chris Redfield.

Well, we’ll just have to hope that Belle is strong enough to return to the light if anything happens.

IS NOT EVEN A CHEKHOV'S GUN, IT'S RIFLE KKKKKK

@@Eternus_transmogrifus49 well either we get a somewhat happy ending, or we get Cosmo 2.0

or her fellow neglected sibling Mecha Sonic...

Remember don't linger on your mistakes. Move on and just try your best going forward! 😁

@@SonicTheory96 ^^ yeah

"both Sage & Sonic KNOW that they are NOT Enemies..... " They absolutely are still enemies. They just team up when absolutely necessary.

@@prufan Sage is a prierly a logical being when she sees that working with Sonic increases the chances of success to her objectives she will work with him however she is ultimatly loyal to Eggman and does not work with Sonic until given permision. So while they may respect each other Sonic and Sage are still enemies. Remeber in Frontiers even Eggmen admits to Sage that while he might Hate Sonic he also respects him as an adversery.

I don't why I said "now" like I only just became a fan. Belle was the reason I even got into the IDW comics with her adorable design. She's right up there with Whisper and Tangle as my favorite gals

Thing is the IDW comics are ment to be in the games universe.

Nicole is not canon

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That would be a very interesting meeting

Thank you 😊

Doing well! Good to hear from you again. How've you been? You should check out some of my more recent content if you get the chance 😊

@SonicTheory96 Yeah I definitely will I'm doing good just a bit tired but like I got the surgery and I am on new meds now and I'm doing a lot better also got reintouch with a old friend Also news on the murder of Sonic video the file got corrupted again so we are going to have to redo it again but we don't have a lot of time right now to do it since Robat has a lot of school stuff right now and I've been trying to set up my new phone and laptop while also doing mod work and hanging out with friends while also dealing with family stuff lol so we are a bit busy

@@ArtyAxolotl I hope your recovery from your surgery goes well, I'll be praying for you! Oh no! We'll let me know as soon as you guys ever get that second part going! But yeah life can get busy fast, its honestly good to hear from you again ☺

@@SonicTheory96 oh I'm fully recovered that was a little while ago but we haven't talked in a while so I was just updating since I had mentioned that it kept being delayed and that was causing filming the next video to be delayed a lot lol

My favorite characters in the comics (besides the ones that are in almost every sonic video game) are: Bark the Polar Bear Mammoth Mogul Mighty the Armadillo Spike the Porcupine Trevor Burrow the Mole ....I've got an encyclopedia of sonic characters back when archie was making the comics I'd have to go look.

As are Sonic and literally all of his friends except for Cream.

​@videogollumer Eh not really but bc Sega doesn't really focus on the character's parents, we don't know if the characters are orphans (except for some of course like knuckles and shadow)

im saying that cause starline, the closest thing they had as a parent is dead

@@thecartoonwolf Ever wonder why most of them are kids and teens who don't live with their parents?

@@videogollumer hol up, bro is on to something

I love Eggman as a villain but I agree that Sega needs to allow another villain to come to the forefront to keep things fresh. Maybe have subtle hints and foreshadowing about some crazy plan Eggman is working on but leave him out of the next few titles. Then his return would really be felt and mean a lot more imo

IDW Publishing or Amazon.

just search up read comics online free

@@serz23 and the name

If you're talking about the issues, Issue #40-49.

Oh, please! It's debatable whether he actually loves Metal Sonic like a son! I mean, does Eggman see Metal as a person or a reflection of his intellect? If Metal Sonic ever succeeded in killing Sonic, who would Eggman give credit to, Metal or himself?

bro ate a bit too much rubble, he's not coming back after that one

Yeahh. Only thing Starline may end up doing is haunting Surge.

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Even if he did, he'd never be the same platypus again. His mind was clearly broken following his failure to humble Eggman.

@@videogollumer exactly!

@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Just goes to show you shouldn't defend, let alone support, Eggmanism or even Robotnikism in general. It only gets people killed.