Sony 70-200 f/2.8 GM II vs f/4 G II: Expectations vs Reality
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Күн бұрынWhich Sony 70-200 GII is better for you?
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00:00 Sony 70-200 f/2.8 vs f/4 GII Introduction
00:20: My Initial Impressions Online & Who I am
00:50 Specs, Price
01:12 Size, Build Quality & Filter Size
01:32 Weight Difference & Internal vs External Zoom
02:26 Aperture Ring
02:48 Autofocus & Manual Focus
03:42 Flaring
04:05 Sharpness & Image Quality
5:05 Minimum Focusing Distance
05:50 Image Stabilization
06:09 My Thoughts On the f/2.8 GII vs f/4 GII
08:52 The Lens I Thought I Was Going To Love
09:54 The Lens I'm Buying
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@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
After using these lenses side by side for two weeks, the differences were more apparent. I mostly used these at work for a client's internal video (that I couldn't use in this video). To shoot footage I could use in this video, I went and shot some hang gliders in Cleveland that could help illustrate what I was saying. Thats one of the most difficult things about reviewing camera gear, I use it on a shoot, but can't use the footage as broll, so I have to go out an shoot more broll to fill it in! I realize the broll is a little light in this video and it's a little heavy on the "talking head" aspect - but I unfortunatly didn't have enough time to shoot more with work being so busy lately. Hope you guys understand ✌
@VikenOfficiel 2 күн бұрын
what do you think now ? did you do some update about ? where i am, both lenses are around the same price (1990€ for f4 - 2150€ for 2.8)
@keith-knittel Күн бұрын
@@VikenOfficiel If the price was that close, 2.8 all day - as long as you don't mind the size and weight
@duvalpenny100 3 ай бұрын
Since I have no problem using AI Denoise and even adding a touch of Bokeh in post, the F4 is probably the way to go for me. Since I got into photography for traveling and documenting life, the size savings and the macro capabilities of this are much more attractive to me than the 1 stop of light.
@myblujl7503 7 ай бұрын
I just got the 70-200 F4 2nd hand for $1500 from some pro who got the 2.8 after not liking the F4. Im just a hobbiest, and this is a great all-around lens for me since weight and price are a big concern. It fits my A6700 really well without being overly heavy and tiring! I know the 2.8 is a better lens, but I would of left it home more, and the best lens is the one you bring.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Very true! Love hearing different perspectives on the lenses and good deal on the f/4!
@ErikStenbakken 6 ай бұрын
Great review. Thank you. I shot professionally for over 25 years. I can think of only one time that a client specified what type of equipment they wanted and were willing to pay more for it (video gig). You may get a psychological boost having a more expensive lens and there are definitely some performance perks to using the 2.8 II. I’ve used one and it’s incredible. But don’t expect clients to pay you more just because you have that in your bag 😉
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
What you do with your camera is more important than the camera itself - for sure! Knowing how to use your camera and what features give you the best results will allow you to definitely charge more! Not saying the f/4 vs f/2.8 will automatically net you more money, but if one lens is easier for you to use, you wont miss important shots because you were messing around with your camera settings. For me, (sometimes a solo run and gun shooter) thats the aperture ring when using my fx6 for events or weddings, and the internal zooming was surprisingly easy compared to the f/4. The extra stop of light doesnt hurt either. Thanks for the insight and kind words!
@RonWilliams215 7 ай бұрын
def love the closeup shots the F4 makes.
@contentivity3228 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great review! I do a lot of event videography (trade shows, conferences), and the difference in weight is really a point here. As much as I love the 2.8 (we have the version 1 as well in use), it does make a difference carrying less weight with the f4 and still get great looking images out of it.
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
Love hearing the different use-cases and thoughts behind your lens choice!
@papsny 7 ай бұрын
I got the f4.. the macro + teleconverter is great. Saves my back from carrying a macro
@Storiada Ай бұрын
You've chosen the 1.4 tele convertor? How is it with zoom?
@enjoygary 21 күн бұрын
Does it focus well?
@brotherted9212 7 ай бұрын
Story time: I owned the 70-200/f2.8 and loved it, but then about 3 years ago I dropped it on a hard ceramic tile floor and broke it. Having loved my Tamron 28-75/f2.8 (and still do), I decided to try the Tamron long zoom, i.e. the 70-300/f4.5-6.3, since my long lens shots tend to always be in plenty of light. But I just never liked the 70-300, and kept missing my Sony 70-200 GM. So last week I broke down, sold the 70-300, and bought the 70-200 GM version two. Saw your video title and was worried you’d make me feel stupid for not considering the lighter f4, so I’m relieved to learn you think the extra weight of the f2.8 is worth it. In the end, what’s 3 pounds? You must suffer for your art, weaklings! 😎
@pzark3638 4 ай бұрын
The F/4 lens actually looked a bit sharper at times in some of the comparisons.
@NicolasBeck77 Ай бұрын
Yeah, surprisingly so…… i actually even think that he switched the titles by acccient
@MedAmineTN 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the Great video ,I want to buy a Sony 70-200mm lens, but I'm not sure which one to choose. I intend to use it for both video and photography, and my camera is the Sony A7SIII, known for its excellent low-light performance. Currently, I already have prime lenses, the Sony 85mm f1.8 and the Sony 90mm Macro. The G2 with a 2x converter costs the same as the GM II. My question is, is the video and photo quality of the GM II superior to that of the G2? Additionally, does the G2 with the converter perform similarly to the Sony 90mm Macro?
@papsny 3 ай бұрын
Got the f4.. you get a macro + a 1:1 with a teleconverter + a zoom lens = all in one package = win!
@Chris-ey7zy 3 ай бұрын
I looked at it today. I think it’s a better lens than 2.8. Way more versatile and sharp
@kentao4 6 ай бұрын
Ive gotten to the point that if I have to be on a budget, then Ill skip the lens then. I don't really feel the need for master primes but with the zooms, that 2.8 is a game changer. I was really trying to talk my self into the f4 gII with macro but the external zoom plus knowing Id want to upgrade later for the extra stop just screams more money to me. Ill never understand buying the lesser lens and then upgrading... you end up spending significantly more! Just get the one you want, when you can get it. I am holding out for now!
@officalmattknows 6 ай бұрын
yes!! said perfectly, I ended up doing that with other lenses so when it came to this focal range I got the 70-180 tamron to make sure I was going to use that range enough to buy the mk 2 2.8 and I did, glad I didn’t get any other lens
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
I agree! The more expensive lens is obviously going to be better, but I think it's interesting to look at the price difference and say is the f/2.8 $1100 better than the f/4? The f/4 is a terrific value but the extra features of the 2.8 make that lens a better choice for me. Glad youre saving for the better lens that you want!
@kentao4 6 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittelright! I always try to be practical but the one time I need the extra, I’d be done lol. I also want to use for inside so the extra stop is helpful
@Storiada Ай бұрын
I am really thinking to go for the 2.8 especially because if I'll add up a 2x teleconvertor I can easly have a 400mm portable without any other extra lens. I am not sure if adding a teleconvertor on the f4 will let with enough aperture to still create nice shots. Do you have any thoughts on this? I am just trying to see what would be best for traveling.
@kentao4 Ай бұрын
@@Storiada I don’t have any experience with teleconverters but I get what you mean. I suspect you’ll have to pick up the iso a bit to make up for it
@LMActionsports 6 ай бұрын
I rented it for a month this past summer the F2.8 gmii and I was totally blown away with how fast it focuses and how sharp all the images are. I used it on my a7rv for portraits and wow what an awesome combo. All those megapixels you get to see with this lens on the front of your camera. and then on the weekends at the ATV races I would put it on my A9 and get the 20 frames per second on burst and it did not disappoint. I got so many good images. I don’t know if I’m gonna buy it or not. Sigma just came out with their new version and from the reviews it’s saying it’s pretty darn close for $1000 less
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
I just saw that sigma lens! I'm going to have to try to find a copy and test it out for myself. Seems pretty good for a reasonable price
@BenSussmanpro 7 ай бұрын
The takeaway is that with the f/2.8 you get a little bit more this & better that, and you need to pixel peep to discern differences, all for an extra $1,100. Oh, the 4.0 is lighter & more compact & can be used as a macro lens. Unless you’re a superstar fashion photographer there’s no need to spend the extra $$$
@Vantrakter 6 ай бұрын
..The takeaway is that internal zoom action that is a whole lot quicker than the external zoom of the f/4. It's arguably less conspicuous and on a tripod zooming won't shift the balance.
@gohan4evo 7 ай бұрын
Try both r4 and f2.8 g2 and finally decided to keep 70 200mm f2.8. The f4 if you forget to switch the macro button your shot will be blair especially when your not paying atten4to the result after capture. Very happy with the 2.8 can't go wrong with the quality even thought price is high. You pay what you get.
@timgurr1876 5 ай бұрын
What might be difference when shooting indoor sports? Probably not the lens one would use in the home. How is the sharpness of the F2.8 across the lens?
@PrincessExcellent Ай бұрын
So helpful! Great review. Thankyou!
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful, love hearing that!
@officalmattknows 6 ай бұрын
hey keith, great video showcasing the lenses! I love my 70-200 gm 2.8 mk 2, how were you able to rent from b&h I didn’t know they had that feature?
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Thanks matt! The "renting" I was doing wasn't like what you'd do with your local rental house for a week. I wanted to make a purchasing decision, so I "rented" these lenses with the intent of buying one. For making purchasing decisions, I've had luck testing out lenses with local camera stores as well
@_Chris390 4 ай бұрын
Did you compare them in low light? Auto focus etc?
@TheNorang 6 ай бұрын
General rule of purchasing gears today: 1. Gears today are better and cheaper than it was in the past 2. You do kinda get what you pay for, however, after a certain amount of money, the increase of quality decreases. 3. For the price to quality ratio, midrange gears will always triumph. 4. For this example: Tamron 70-180 lens, sigma 70-200 2.8, g 70-200 F4, will probably be an amazing option if you've never used those zoom lenses before. The quality difference between those and 70-200 gmii is very minor. 5. If you are prosumer/ hobbiest, you should buy more sensible option for your wallet, and also push your midrange gears to absolute limit untill you feel the limitation of your gear and realize your needs for the future. This is what ive learned as i purchased camera gears and used them in the last 5 years.
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Well said. Buying what you can afford and knowing what you actually need vs what is just a want is important
@Avoug 6 ай бұрын
Here's what I'd boil it down to > Usecase If you're shooting outdoor vlogs/sports/events >> F4 is more than enough. If you want to cover mostly indoor sports/events >> F2.8 is the one to get.
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Thats what I thought going into it too, I'd add the internal zooming and aperture ring on the GM. After using them side by side, those helped push me to the F/2.8. If you don't care about those features, the F4 is a fantastic value
@bikecuberdoggy 7 ай бұрын
Great conclusion! Personally I would decision in order of priority: 1. Budget 2. Extra stop of light (if you shoot indoors) 3. Size/weight
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! And agree. I don't mind lugging around heavy gear if the shoot needs it, so thats typically last on my list - but everyones priorities are different
@halimrahman 7 ай бұрын
frequency and use case. I shoot mostly portraits and in the case of outdoor use, i don't think I'd need this at night. But a friend who tested this for a concert informed that f/4 works fine when paired with a7IV body.
@bikecuberdoggy 7 ай бұрын
@@halimrahmanagreed. It all depends on your tolerance for iso and also shutter speed actually. I typically do not go under 1/200 for events. For a long time I shot at 1/60 indoors and there was motion blur in every picture, however it wasn’t obvious without zooming in.
@789know 11 күн бұрын
also the 2.8 allow u to maybe use the Tele converter and still have f5.6 So it can be very versatile
@Iamkitkatbar 6 ай бұрын
I got the 2.8 and its the best thing I have bought for my A7iv
@Gabriel-it5jy Ай бұрын
The macro ability sold me on the f4!with a 2X tele converter it seems so versatile.
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
The macro capabilities of the f/4 make it a pretty unique lens. Hope the next version of the f/2.8 has close focusing like the f/4 G II
@Gabriel-it5jy Ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel maybe by that time I can actually make some money with some of my photos lol😂❤️ thanks very much for the review Is it possible to have a lens like this be lower than f2.8?
@jayhovanec 4 ай бұрын
Hello fellow Clevelander! Glad I found you here and thanks for the great review!
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
CLE!! Glad to have you here 🙌
@kathymorhous1665 2 ай бұрын
Can you use a teleconverter with the f4?
@tornado5783 7 ай бұрын
Great video! On a different note, Sony released firmware 2.01 for the A7RV! Make sure to upgrade that firmware.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Thanks and will have to do that! Thanks for the heads up
@bakshi_varun 7 ай бұрын
Hey, Keith. Thanks so much for the review. I’m looking to invest in the f2.8 as my go to Wildlife photography lens. With a 2x Teleconverter, you can get upto 400mm, losing 2 stops (5.6). That’s a strong reason for choosing the f2.8 over f4. It avoids having to invest in multiple lenses as well.
@TechnoBabble 6 ай бұрын
It's simply not a good wildlife lens. If you want something dedicated to that you're better off buying a 100-400 or 200-600. While the 70-200 GM II is optically very good on it's own, the 2xTC massively reduces it's sharpness and introduces a lot of CA, to the point where it's noticeably worse than much less expensive third party options.
@basvh666 6 ай бұрын
@@TechnoBabbleyoure so wrong.
@TechnoBabble 6 ай бұрын
@@basvh666 everything I said is objectively correct. The 70-200 f2.8 GM II with a 2x TC is less sharp than every super telephoto zoom for e-mount. Not to mention that 400mm is barely long enough for most wildlife on full frame and you're going to be cropping that unsharp image a bunch. Like, sure. If you only want one lens, go for it. But it's objective fact that any other lens in that range will give better results. Sigma 100-400, Tamron 150-500, Sigma 150-600, Sony 100-400, and Sony 200-600 will all be better for the overwhelming majority of wildlife.
@PrincessExcellent Ай бұрын
I just bought the 2.8 for wildlife photography. The lighting at dusk, early morning and cloudy days can be an issue. I want a macro lens and your advice about the 90 was affirming. I had been wonderingif the versatility of the 4 macro would be worth it. But it is clear to me now. I like the aperature ring too. Thankyou!
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Love hearing the use-cases for different lenses. The 70-200 f/2.8 and 90mm macro is a fantastic setup. The 90mm is one of my favorite lenses of all time for product photography! The sharpness and image quality is a joy to work with
@jean-philippeperetti8463 7 ай бұрын
For me, as a retiree and non pro photographer, the F4 for the win. Less expensive, smaller, lighter and great image quality.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
The f/4 is a slam dunk for you then! Everyone has different use-cases. Love hearing why people go with one lens over the other
@12symmo 6 ай бұрын
I’m still very happily adapting my old canon 70-200 f/4L. No disrespect to anyone who chooses otherwise, but 70-200 f/4 with great glass is good enough for me.
@sgpork 7 ай бұрын
The 70-200 GM II F2.8 is by far one of the best if not the best 70-200 ever made..
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I absolutely love this lens
@frankfeng2701 7 ай бұрын
Without doubt the best 70-200 ever made, period.
@lorenzo4262 5 ай бұрын
Hello, for stills only, and sport shooting.. what you suggest? I've in plan to buy a 1.4 tc. I've tried for a few shots both. But i haven't seen the gm2 si huge Better (apart the f/2.8 for 1 stop less iso). But few shots are not enough... Af it. Seems the same way. I use a7r3, but probably to see differences it's not enough. Regarding sharpness and contrast at wide aperture, which Is Better, and how much?
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
I havent used the teleconverters so I can't comment on that. I chose the 2.8, and for sports where youre zooming around from 70-200 frequently, the internal zooming will be much easier to work with. Both have great autofocus in my testing. The difference really comes down to the price, size, weight, internal vs external zoom, 4 vs 2.8, aperture ring, filter size - it's tough to recommend one over the other without knowing more
@aboynamedjamil 7 ай бұрын
Your studio looks dope.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! I spend a lot of time in there so I wanted it to feel cozy
@emsi-tech Ай бұрын
Great comparizon, but what bothers me is: why do You have Baguette on Your desk(right desk)?
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Thank you and that’s my wrist rest for my keyboard! Surprisingly comfortable
@user-qs4sd2bn8i Ай бұрын
Honest question. Shooting inside, like a high school gym, sports, color guard etc. what’s the difference in iso going to be wide open, on shutter priority? From 2.8 to 4?
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Moving subjects in low light, you'll notice a difference between 2.8 and 4. Depending on the lighting and how much motion blur or ISO noise your comfortable with, f/2.8 may not be enough even and you may need a faster f/1.8 prime - but you'll lose the versatility of zooming, it's tough to say without knowing the conditions and image you want. If zooming is a must for you, the 2.8 is the better choice though
@jerryrichards8172 7 ай бұрын
This like my minolta 70-212mm (Bearcan) f/4 lense and my minolta 80-200MM f2.8 G lense comparison. The f/4 Easley gets it done but the f/2.8 gets it done better. Nice comparison thanks for sharing. Just may be looking to leave my a-mounts that I've been using since the 80s.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Very true, and thats impressive you still have a-mounts! I've never used an a-mount sony before
@beni9486 27 күн бұрын
Hello, thanks for the video,I wanted to know if the autofocus of the macro from the ossII works better than the 90mm or if it’s the same problem and we have to use the manual focus because it’s not consitent? ps: my question is more about the video. Thank you
@keith-knittel 26 күн бұрын
The f/4’s autofocus is MUCH better than the 90mm macro. The 90mm macro is one of my favorite lenses but the autofocus is terrible. If you limit the focus range using the switch on the 90mm it’s better, but the 70-200 f/4 g ii is much better than the 90! Might try to get an f/4 again to compare these two lenses.
@beni9486 25 күн бұрын
thank’s a lot for this fast answer. This is very interesting and I will maybe start with the oss II then. Do you know if there’s other macro lense with a good autofocus or is it kind of unique from the ossII ? I agree the 90mm is great but I was disapointed that the autofocus was very bouncing but thx for the tips with the focus range I will try it.
@bluwasabi7635 22 күн бұрын
@@keith-knittelI'd like to see that video. Subbed.
@wkmpellucid 7 ай бұрын
Most likely the f/2.8 because of the internal zoom/focus - better when using the matte box. Also, the 1-stop wider aperture.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
GREAT point with the mattebox
@cobra2079 7 ай бұрын
70% of us probably on a budget to include myself 😂 so I went with F/4
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Nice! The f/4 is still a great lens
@JoseGonzalez-tl6hg 2 ай бұрын
Me too 😅
@dnpvisual 9 күн бұрын
But there is Sigma 70-200 f2.8 for the same price as Sony’s f4
@g_lantos Ай бұрын
I was looking at these lenses for so long, but I ended up with the Tamron 35-150 f2-2.8 "used" for $1400, also it literally looks brand new, it was probably an open box. I think it's more versatile, user friendly and cheaper owning the 35-150 with a 16-35 GM combo for $3800, than having 3 sony zoom lenses for $6900. The only thing I miss is the teleconverter option, but honestly if I ever need a longer range (I doubt, I shoot more videos) I would just get a Sony 100-400 GM second hand for around ($1800) or a Tamron 150-500 ($1200) for a specific job.
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
I've heard great things about the 35-150, I need to try that lens out!
@ankushthor 7 ай бұрын
Overtime prices usually reduce even if by a little bit for electronics , since I am new in photography, not sure about how long one has to wait for with lenses like this, by when, if at all can we expect a price reduction on the f/4?
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
The version 2 of these lenses are pretty new and doubt there going to have a price reduction anytime soon. If youre on a budget, I'd check out used version 1's of these lenses or even the tamron lenses. I don't have any experience with the tamrom 7-180 G2, but multiple people in the comments posted about it so I might have to look into it!
@ankushthor 7 ай бұрын
Perfect thanks for the clarification. @@keith-knittel The pricing for the Tamron in India is for the 70 - 180mm G2 f/2.8 is the same as the Sony 70 - 200 G f/4, so its going to be a difficult decision considering the fact that Sony is Sony lol 🙈
@sv1201 6 ай бұрын
@@ankushthorI wonder if Sony is priced lower there or it’s Tamron that priced higher?
@robertdoyle8972 5 ай бұрын
I just wish the 2.8 had the macro and I did get the 2.8 and I got a 2x converter so than I wouldn’t have to worry about getting a 100-400mm lens but did get a 200-600mm lens needed the reach because I live in Alaska and to be able to take pics of the wild live here
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
I feel like the 70-200 2.8 GM II and 90mm macro is a fantastic combination. The 90mm macro is on of my favorite lenses - the autofocus sucks, but the image quality is fantastic. If you do a lot of macro work, it's worth the price. How do you like the 200-600 vs the 70-200 with the 2x? I've never compared the two myself but would love to someday
@robertdoyle8972 5 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel Ive been really busy with work and haven’t really been able to go out to take pics yet really to compare them but from what I have done with them I think that the 70-200mm 2.8 with the 2x is a little sharper at the 400mm then the 200-600mm and yes been looking at the 90mm macro for a macro lens
@ameleh61 Ай бұрын
What about the f/2.8 with an extension tube? Will the sharp quality stay?
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Didn't put any extenders or extension tubes on the 2.8. My guess is that there will be a loss in sharpness/image quality. How much, I'm not sure. I'll try to get some and do some testing.
@sonofoneintheuniverse 3 ай бұрын
Would get the f/4 lens even if it was the more expensive one. Love compact lenses! Sharpness aplenty anyway.
@bondgabebond4907 7 ай бұрын
The internal zoom is the dealmaker. I have the older 70-200 f4, that sports internal zooming. If I had it to do over again, I would save my bucks and get the f2.8 version. I have the 90mm macro so I don't need a macro zoom that badly.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Loved the internal zoom more that I thought I would! Thats one of those things that impossible to tell from a spec sheet how the lens actually performs. Some people it wont matter as much, but I love it. And the 90mm macro is the lens I currently use for most photography or macro shots. Not the most economical, but delivers the best results - and my clients love the results
@bondgabebond4907 6 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel I also have the 90mm macro and concur about its incredible sharpness.
@CaseyHardman 7 ай бұрын
Had the Tamron 70-180 and upgraded to the 70-200 2.8 II and it’s honestly an incredible lens and light enough to run around handheld. The internal zoom is great for gimbal work as well. I’m sure the f/4 is great but I don’t regret buying the 2.8 II at all!
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
How did you like the Tamron? I havent used it, but multiple people have brought it up in the comments since posting this video and I've never used it. But the GM II is a fantastic lens and don't regret it either. Absolutely love working with it
@CaseyHardman 7 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel While I think Tamron makes good lenses, they just lack a lot of character in the colors and look for me. (I’m a Sigma fanboy and love their glass) I can’t fault the 70-180 for the stabilization (since it doesn’t have it, of course) but with my a7S III I was not happy with the handheld footage with it. I’m fine with that handheld look but I found it to have a lot of weird micro jitters and almost looked like it would pulse. (If you search for the Jan Dils 2022 Freedom Fun Run 5K recap, you’ll see what I mean) I also had their 17-28 and 28-75 and returned them both. The performance isn’t bad or anything, they just have a weird blue-ish boring tint to them. I know it’s 3x the price, but the 2.8 GM II feels like 3x the lens in my opinion!
@jasonzakszewski3718 7 ай бұрын
I bought the g2 tamron last week and ended up exchanging it for the sony f4. I do mostly landscape and the sony is way sharper for my needs. I do some sports, but it's during the daytime outdoors and the f4 does great.
@CaseyHardman 7 ай бұрын
@@jasonzakszewski3718 Nice! I bet it's great. I do a lot of low light shoots, so the 2.8 was necessary for my work.
@jasonzakszewski3718 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, if you need the 2.8 the Tamron is a great choice. I rented the g1 a few weeks ago and it worked great for sports as well. My wife really enjoys macro so the f4 was the easy choice. @@CaseyHardman
@Pompez_ 6 ай бұрын
I was wondering how much of difference f2.8 and f4 make with these lenses. Thanks for the review! 😊
@willsutton2235 6 ай бұрын
I’ve been shooting for about two months now, so I’d go f4 because of budget and I think it be good for street photography
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
The f/4 is a solid lens, especially if you've been only shooting for 2 months! I had super busted gear for like my first few years haha. Bonus that it's smaller for street photography - assuming youre not zooming to 200 all the time. It's a little less conspicuous then
@kristofvero7972 6 ай бұрын
If you are taking photos of a wedding and you located in EU, doesn't make any difference in the wedding if it's 2.8 or 4. On any event where are more people cannot use 2.8, because of sharpness. I think the G4 enough sharpness for that job, because no one will print your photo to a building or something crazy, so nobody will notice that slightly difference. If we talking creative or portrait photos I would use different lens, like a cheap 35mm or 85 by sigma.
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
I'd argue theres a difference between f/4 and 2.8. It may not be as drastic of a difference as f/4 and a fast 1.4 prime, but there is definitely a difference there. All other features aside, do you need the difference between f/4 and 2.8? That depends on how you use the lens, what you shoot, and what other lenses you have
@joshuachubbphotography 7 ай бұрын
You can rent gear from BH?
@RockyMaiviaMiami 7 ай бұрын
If you have the subs, I think you have to be an affiliate too
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, full disclosure, I'm an affiliate with B&H - so sometimes they'll loan out gear for short periods of time. Camera shops will do this from time to time if youre making a purchasing decision and have a relationship with them. It's not really a loan like a rental house would do, but a loaner for making a purchasing decision
@Ivanisstudio 6 ай бұрын
Go: Tamron 70-180mm F2.8 G2 vs Sony FE 70-200mm f/4 Macro G OSS II
@Kabirrrr090 5 ай бұрын
I am confused I got 1.8 prime lens already . I’m not worried about the portrait that much . But I’m stuck between both , what should I get ? Any good suggestions will be much appreciated.
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
A 1.8 prime, what lens? What focal length? What do you shoot? Hard to recommend without knowing more
@Kabirrrr090 5 ай бұрын
It’s Sony 85mm/f 1.8 lens I normally shoot portraits . But now I am looking for the lens by which I can make short videos and take good photos.
@brentschmogbert 15 күн бұрын
how many freedom eagles per subway sandwhiches is 6 punds?
@keith-knittel 15 күн бұрын
9
@gamebuster800 7 ай бұрын
so how about the 70-180 f2.8 tamron
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I havent used that tamron lens yet! I'll have to get one and make a comparison
@gamebuster800 7 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel there's a new one, with a "G2" at the end, and it has OSS. The "old one" was very good according to reviews. (And the 35-150 exists as well!)
@sv1201 6 ай бұрын
@@gamebuster800I was looking at it, but some people complain about it pumping in some dust - it’s more about G1, though.
@todorbozhkov496 5 ай бұрын
My friend, Tamron has a great optical performance, but for tracking photo, serial shoots, video is not a deal. Also Tamron has a plastic construction.
@RandumbTech 7 ай бұрын
I have the gm ii 2.8 and I never use it because it’s too big for my bag. I am considering selling it for the f4 version. Is that crazy??
@Robert.hodgson 7 ай бұрын
I have both, and rarely pickup the f2.8 when I head out. That’s become a studio only lens for me, and I even find myself using the f4 in studio settings too especially with the macro ability combined with the f1.4 extender.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Not crazy, if youre traveling a lot, the f/4 packs much nicer than the 2.8. Everyone has different needs when it comes to camera gear
@Superjeanmarc 6 ай бұрын
Thanks
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
You're welcome and hope all is well man!
@pawelmod3292 7 ай бұрын
In terms of price: In EU I was able to buy GM2 2.8 for 2799€, and the same time G2 4 was 1999€ In my opinion F4 is too expensive comparing to 2.8 which is too expensive anyway ;-)
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Wow, I had no idea there was only an 800 euro difference in the EU! Wonder why the f/4 got a price hike, but not the 2.8? Because the f/4 is newer and maybe more difficult to find?
@sv1201 6 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittelF4 is a very popular lens in the U.S., Sony doesn’t even offer an EDU price for it.
@DenN-tl3oy Ай бұрын
here from tiktok! thanks for the video
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Awesome!! Looks like I need to start making more TikTok videos! Haha Thanks for the support
@fredywnavas 6 ай бұрын
Just submitted my order for f2.8
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Congrats on the new lens!!
@tomsun3159 4 ай бұрын
If sharpness is your concern use a good Prime, or use ONLY the sharpness sweetspot (focal length and aperture). There is NO SHARP ZOOM LENS over the full focal range and full aperture range, simply technical impossible, you may have one focal length and aperture, so in fact in terms of sharpness than a prime lens, but designed prime lenses are far ahead and in effect cheaper. 50/1,2 or 50/1,4 or 85/1,4 is way sharper than a 70/200/2,8 less distortion, better flare control and so on and so on. For videography you don't need that overkill, only if you want to take stills from your footage, but better make dedicated fotos and dedicated videofootage.
@billr3053 6 ай бұрын
The f/4 barrel should have been smaller diameter. It looks like Sony wanted to reuse the same barrel and hardware components for both. You can tell from the oversized front element… has a masked off fixed aperture baffle right behind the objective. What a waste of diameter. Possibly necessitated by the external telescoping section. Also, not mentioned was that the f/4 has 9 blade while the f/2.8 has 11 blade aperture.
@RyanPerrella 5 ай бұрын
FX6 is a monster where the size of the 2.8 isnt the same penalty as it would be on say an FX3 which you have as display. In the case of an FX6 yeah those are sized appropriately to one another. Now if you shot with the FX3 handheld all day would you still chose the 2.8? Maybe your specific use case colors your conclusion, and you didnt even show the FX6, on a tripod, with a monitor, etc.
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
At the end of the day, I'd still choose the 2.8. Coming from filming with the FX6, I don't look at the 2.8 as being too large for the FX3, the overall footprint of the camera is smaller so it seems lighter to me. I don't mind lugging around camera gear and if it gets too heavy, using a tripod or easy rig is part of the process. As for no shots of the FX6 with monitor on a tripod, I was using this setup at work and the client doesn't want me posting footage from their job site or offices on KZfaq. And I was at work, so I didn't have time to film a behind the scenes of using the lens
@schenebod 6 ай бұрын
i would always go with the lower aperture one, its always on the expensive side, but you have more flexibility at bad lighting and with the background compression, in my opinion its easier to create different looks, no matter what the lighting situations are
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Love the 2.8 as well! The extra light, blur for portraits, aperture ring and internal zoom pushed me to the 2.8 over the 4
@halimrahman 7 ай бұрын
I have F4 version in my wishlist 🙂
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
It's a sweet lens!
@GoogleMapsFoodie 6 ай бұрын
For the people that haven’t rented both and use them for as long as you did, how are we supposed to know if it’s $1200 better? Isn’t that what you’re supposed to let us know?
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
For me, it is - but hard to recommend to everyone since I don't know their situations. Tried to tell you the differences so you could make that decision for yourself. I went with the 2.8 but thats not for everyone
@GoogleMapsFoodie 6 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel recommend it in your shoes lol
@ETFootprints 7 ай бұрын
The anxiety when putting down the cameras on the LCD screen and lens glass without caps.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I know - typically I don't do that! Have a leather desk pad that is pretty soft on my desk, and for the video, thought that was a good way of showing the differences. I don't do that on any other surface
@kaimelis 7 ай бұрын
Tamron 70-180 G2
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I havent got my hands on that one yet! I'll have to see what I can do
@kaimelis 7 ай бұрын
Please if you can, it may prove the f4 a much more difficult sell.@@keith-knittel
@tonyh4266 6 ай бұрын
F2.8 every time. I hate zooms that have external extending zoom or focus
@zapadakofflv8560 4 ай бұрын
F4 has one advantage. Takes up less space in the backpack. In everything else version 2.8 is better.
@EuroRSN 7 ай бұрын
You missed out on Bokeh comparissons...
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I know, I had more comparisons but the client didn't want footage used in a YT video, so I had to film all of my own broll in my studio. Had limited time with these lenses, I typically try to include those in my reviews. Had to share more of my thoughts on the lenses in this one
@michaelmazzen Ай бұрын
Love the canon 70-200 f/4 but the sony f/4 has no internal zoom which is a complete dealbreaker. makes it unsuable for my needs.
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Love the internal zoom
@phillippugh2161 6 ай бұрын
Which would you keep if you had both ??? Duh the obvious is the 2.8 . But 99% of hobbyist only need the f4
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Everyone's needs are different!
@JoelRiveraMD 7 ай бұрын
You rented gear from B&H ? Do they rent gear ?
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I'm part of the B&H affiliate program, and buy enough from them that they allow me to get loaners to make a purchasing decision sometimes. I was going back and forth between these two lenses, so they allowed me to get both, and send one back. I had to buy it with my own money though! So it's more to make a purchasing decision from them, not like renting a lens from a rental house
@JoelRiveraMD 7 ай бұрын
@@keith-knittel that’s good to know. I buy a lot from them . Like a lot! lol
@frankfeng2701 7 ай бұрын
f/4 is overpriced. If I'm on a budget, I'd get Tamron 70-180 G2.
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
I need to get my hands on a Tamron 70-180 G2!
@nightdonutstudio 7 ай бұрын
You can not compare price to third party lens. Then f2.8 version is overpriced as well. Canon f4 one is only $100 less.
@frankfeng2701 7 ай бұрын
@@nightdonutstudio Not saying those two aren't overpriced: Canon f/4 just as overpriced, Sony GM2 a lot less so because of its unmatched performance ever. Third-party lenses are why many users choose Sony.
@PhotoTrekr 2 ай бұрын
I have the 70-200mm 2.8 GM II which I love. But, I'm going to order the 70-200mm G Macro II to use for travel and macro.
@keith-knittel Ай бұрын
Fantastic travel lens
@arto1969 4 ай бұрын
I consider the Sigma Version 2.8…Heavy but it’s worth
@joealfanophotography9568 6 ай бұрын
F4 will always be a nonstarter for me. Thanks for the very informative review.
@keith-knittel 6 ай бұрын
Love the 2.8! Thanks for the kind words
@loudmotion5639 7 ай бұрын
2 lens being reviewed..less than 1minute of actual footage. Not even shots of people, showing how it renders skin and bokeh...its sad what youtube is slowing coming lately...
@keith-knittel 7 ай бұрын
Had these two lenses for a short period of time and got them for an internal work project and the client doesn't want the footage to be used publicly. Typically I shoot more, but had to share more of what I thought about the lenses than test shots. I shot a chart for people that really want to compare the image quality, and wanted to test the autofocus, so I shot some hang gliders. Did a few other tests, but it all takes a lot of time believe it or not
@jetfightercn 5 ай бұрын
the Bokeh on 2.8 is second to none for Portrait.
@todorbozhkov496 5 ай бұрын
Yes, but if you shoot wedding ceremony you have to close to f4, because no one object is in the frame .2.8 aperture is only for wildlife photographer, sport photographer indoor events. F4 is outdoor, travel, macro best.
@jetfightercn 5 ай бұрын
@@todorbozhkov496 I mean Bokeh on the lens is better than F4 lens in general even at F4.
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
For portraits, the 2.8 would be my choice as well - the only way youre going to get a better image is by using primes.. but then you lose the versatility of the zoom lens.
@HagaishiSama 5 ай бұрын
Why would i ever pick a F4 over a 2.8 🤦🏿♂️
@keith-knittel 5 ай бұрын
Scroll through these comments, plenty of people pick the f/4! The 2.8 was a better fit for me (and you, by the sounds of it) - but everyone is different.
@jimjacobs8992 4 ай бұрын
Um...$$$
@HagaishiSama 4 ай бұрын
@@jimjacobs8992 lol got a point
@Bollywoodhollywood2023 4 ай бұрын
No one uses aperture ring😂😂😂😂
@keith-knittel 4 ай бұрын
No one, checking in 🙋
@tdawg719 3 ай бұрын
Mind blowing that these two lenses would have difference filter sizes. Sony often overlooks the “little things” like this. Frustrating to have to buy entire new filter sets. Meanwhile Tamron uses the same filter size for every lens besides the telephoto and the 35-150
@SPDTDL 3 ай бұрын
2.8, dont like dust suckers
@Vantrakter 2 ай бұрын
It doesn't just extend a minor amount like the Tamron 70-180/g2 either, it extends by quite a bit. Still, only time will tell whether "dust sucker" or not. The Tamron g1, by virtue of lots of anecdotes, seems to have a little bit of a potential dust issue. Don't know about the Sony or Tamron g2 yet.
@akmmonirulislam3961 29 күн бұрын
Unless you shot most of the time in low light you don't need 2.8 aperture really. But if you shot wedding, concert, etc you must need a 2.8 aperture lense. In low light conditions I think 1.2 or 1.4 aperture primes are the best.
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