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I agree I think if A7CII was out when I bought my A7IV I probably would look at it more, I still use big telephoto lenses though so I might still want the ever so slightly bigger form factor of the A7IV(and I use it with the battery grip too). but a compact full frame will be pretty nice to pack a more limited size travel setup...

Great honest review and fantastic photos.

The A7CR would be tempting to me given its lower price point than the A7RV were it not for the fact that the A7CR doesn’t have a joystick for moving the autofocus point. I really rely on the joystick, so I’ll stick with my A7R3 until it falls apart and then look at one of Sony’s full size cameras for an upgrade.

Hey Pierre, I was looking at these 2 camera to ‘upgrade’ from my a7sIII. Love the a7sIII but want a little bit more resolution, and those 2 look great for travelling. You briefly mentioned you also had the a7sIII, was wondering what you thoughts of comparing these 2 to the a7sIII, or if you would still pick a7sIII?

Hey Pierre great video. So to through a curved ball into the ring. 😊 As a purely minimalist travel and street camera and seeing your experience with the Leica Q’s what would you pick up and take with you. A7cr and 24mm or the Leica Q. I have the Canon R5 and RF glass which is awesome but can be to bulky when travelling with work. Hence looking for something more compact, tried the x110v but disappointed with the results. The rf28mm is great on the R5, which is the most minimalist I can get. Love to know your thoughts. Logic says to save money and use the R5 but always nice to have a second body.

I appreciate your honesty. Great job!

I love seeing your photos and watching your videos

Pierre, how do you feel about your RX1RII vs the A7C2 with a compact lens? I have the RX1RII and I love everything except for the bad autofocus + really bad battery. But the size is unbeatable

I appreciate your videos, especially for your honesty.

Love your new studio!! Looks baller!

hey, I have a question for you because I heard that the Sony a7c ii is "more plastic" than the first version a7c, something like the zv e1. Does this only apply to the black version or is the silver version also made of the same material as the black one?

Thank you for the video. I have larger full frame cameras like the A7RV and A1. Sold my A7 IV and A7C. Now I still want one smaller camera to take instead or as a backup. Based on what I sold those two cameras for i can basically buy either the A7C II or A7CR but have decided to try the A6700 first which is quite a bit less expensive. By the time these will be delivered I will have shot with the A6700 for two full months and know if I need either for travel or compromise and stay APS-C. I am thinking 33 Mpixels is really enough but the 61 Mpixel and it’s 26 Mpixel APS- C mode provide great flexibility. So I will see with the A6700 what frame rate I really tend to use since I don’t expect to use these for BIF like my A1s.

BONNE VIDÉO PIERRE MERCI!! So I am confused. Why do you say about the A7Cii that you would never use the 7K oversampling ? Isn’t that an advantage? Also how would you turn it off if you didn’t want to use it? ANYBODY CAN ANSWER IF PIERRE DOESN’T !! I am about to buy this camera so I want to understand this…

thanks for your honesty at the end of the video, respect!

Hey man, since you have used the A7CII and you own the RX1RII, how do you feel about either?

I think these cameras make sense when paired with small lenses like Sony's recent 24, 40, or 50mm. They don't make much sense with GM lenses because they are unbalanced.

Très bonne video, Pierre. Merci. I own an A7RV and was looking at something smaller and lighter to bring with me on travels and street photography. When I found out the prices, I had to reevaluate. I finally decided to pre-order the A7CII. The price is high but not quite as bad as the A7CR.

I really appetite your honesty , Thankyou. My A7IV is still perfect for my photo needs and I love the way the body feels I'm my hands.

I feel like I got my A7C for a steal! For the amount they are asking I agree... better off with a regular A7 body.

Upgrading a7iii because I need 10 bit video for some work, Doing a mix of professional and leisure work. Super on the fence about which would suit me better

Thanks Pierre !

I keep seeing conflicting specs for the a7RV. Some reviewers are saying it has a crop at 4k60 and others say that it is full frame(like this video and the B&H Photo videos). I don't see any official specs from Sony so which is it?

Hi Pierre, very informative video it's good that the image quality is great from both cameras, it's an important decision to make when buying a new camera. And Sony always excels in image quality. Both the A7CR and the A7CR11 would be a great camera to buy for someone that doesn't have a Sony camera, and wants to upgrade from an old DSLR to a Sony Mirrorless camera. And a great idea Pierre to have a photo book from White Wall. Great presentation thanks for sharing this video. 😃

I know it’s been awhile since you published this video but I now own these cameras along with my A1 and full size A7RV.. I use them primarily for travel and like their smaller size. Also the new compact G f/2.8 G zooms have helped control the weight in my carry bag. Sony is trying to make lighter gear. I really support that. Thank you the video and take care.

Appreciate your honesty!

what about the mechanical shutter from the cameras, it is better or is it the same like a7iv.?

Pierre, Great and very honest review of the new A7cs. I have a question. I do have an A7RV and love it. I also just got rid of 2 LeicaM6s but kept the lenses. The leica lenses have been fantastic on my A7Rs and though I have a full battery of Sony e lenses, The manual Leica lenses are pretty good...to the question... do I get an A7C2 or A7Rc vs. a Leica M11? Please let me know your suggestions since I am sitting on funds from the 2 Leica M6s. Merci en avance.

How do you configure your monitor such that things like burst speed and subject detection can be configured via touch like at 3:54? Is it only on the C models and not on the A7R V?

A7cii not support type A memory card. But All-i bit rate 600mb... which card best for cii ? I am little bit confused about a7iv or a7cii. Basically I am a wedding photographer. My need both photography and Cinematography.

You make some excellent points. I think these "C" cameras are targeted at customers like me: I'm not a professional photographer, just a hobbyist photographer looking for a camera that is light and flexible enough, for photo & video, to take just about anywhere. The full frame sensor, autofocus capabilities, and other features give me more than what a cell phone camera could. Also, I'm not looking for dual card slots, and the EVF is good enough for the times when I do need it (certainly there are times). I had a 6700 and enjoyed it so-so, but the A7C made photography fun for me, in a whole different way, without feeling limited to ASPC or overburdened by a heavier camera, that starts feeling like carrying a burden if you're not a pro photographer. I haven't loved a camera as much as the A7C since I can remember. The A7C II addresses a number of "wish to haves" compared to the A7C enough to becomes a good birthday present for me this year 😅🎉 It's a camera that makes me want to go out and take pictures and videos in a way that no other camera has for me. And finally, are people missing the genius of Sony for making this camera good enough for use with lenses designed for ASPC, knowing it has a dedicated ASPC mode? It makes me wish I hadn't sold all my ASPC lenses years ago.

I agree, neither A7Cii nor A7CR are good enough to compete in the market rightnow as we have plenty of decent choices like ZV-E1, A7iv, Canon R8 & R6ii and the In coming, Nikon Zf Deal Breaker [my personal reason] A7Cii - 4K60 crop ×1.5 A7CR - no flip&tilt screen as A7R5

When will the 30 days to great photos program open? Can't wait!

It seems that there are too many compromises in the overall UI as highlighted in the video. For example, would it have been reasonable to skip the entry level EVF and instead go with a really high quality three inch monitor that could be used even when it is bright outside.

Hi im from indo.. the a7c ii sensor can't be closed like a7iv? and is there a weather seal like a7iv? and the memory can use cf express? 🙏

7:37 hi, another great video as always! Sorry, what did you shoot that beautiful landscape on? Thanks!

Much prefer the full size full frame e mounts camera. The gm lenses just got light in weight but not really smaller in size. These a7c body are too small. For me at least.

I shoot for pleasure,(not professional), and just bought my first full frame camera (the fantastic A7 iv) after 20 yrs in the point and shoot world. I am still in the return window for my A7 iv and was really liking the A7c as it was cheaper and perhaps all I needed…But now I really really really like the A7C ii which is still cheaper than the A7iv and has enhancements. I like the idea of the smaller size, the new touch menus with icons, and the enhanced IBIS of the A7C ii, (7 stops A7C ii vs 5.5 A7 iv for stabilized lenses). Does the IBIS on the A7C ii make a difference in recording video hand held in real world shooting? Separately, I appreciate what you said last at 15:05 (don’t just fall for the marketing, think about what yu are limited on with your current camera, save your money for a better lens, take a course, etc)…Get out and shoot, do something different and try something new.

Dang im early. Love your content, also for street photography how do you find good scenery, the only city near me is atlanta, which is full of crackheads and the roads are crumbled

Much as I like the form factor of the 7cr, the EVF of the sony a7r5 is so much better. I do a lot of MF work & updated from the r4 to the r5 partially because of the EVF. Further the R5 screen & ibis is also better so the price difference is worth it. Yet I am glad that Sony is developing this form factor & maybe in its next variant improve some aspects without compromising on the light compact form. Incidentally my first sony camera was the a7r & that was 465 grams

I have an a6700 and an a74 but now I have an A7cr which has practically made those obsolete. The a74 with a telephoto lens is great but no fun due to weight. I don’t care about the view finder, one SD slit or lower frame rate and I do handheld moving wildlife. The A7cr is fine to use with large lenses like gm 70-200, gm 100-400z Early on I’ve gotten really great results.

I would consider buying A7CR when it goes on sale Christmas of 2024 like the current sale on the A7RV my dilemma is should I trade in my A7IV for A7CR when it goes on sale I do love the compact form and weight reduction especially for vacations and street photography

I like the A7C cameras but I prefer a bigger size difference between bodies to compliment the biggest. I have the A1 as my main and a Canon G5X ii as a small walkabout.

I have to agree on the topic of EVF being too limiting to pay that much. I have a hard time using the low res screen to make sure that I have AF Locked, I tried the A7RV EVF and is really good, but, is it worth another $900 over the A7CR?.....that I think is the key question that I am struggling with ......

The A7CR does 4k60 with a 1.2 crop. Not as bad as the 1.5 crop on the A7CII but not full frame 4k60

I would have gotten the A7cr or A7cii but I feel like Sony lenses are still too big for the camera bodies. I have the Tamron 20-40mm f2.8 on my a7iii and my camera still feels front-heavy. The only lens that works is the 24mm 40mm 50mm f2.8 G Sony's Prime but the focal range is limiting and I was hoping to take a zoom lens for travel. I wished the 16-35mm Sony GM II was going to be under 320g but being 680g; I'll prefer the bigger bodies like the A7RV for hand support.

You get a compact cam to rig it up for filming and still be able to grab it for the next family hangout. a7IV bulky EVF is useless for rigged up filming - cages get complicated and bulky. On a sidenote, midplaced EVFs are the only leftover from DSLR days, and maybe it's time to move them to the left. There is no reason at all to place EVFs in the middle. Results in aweful ergonomics. That said resoluition could be better - on the EVF and screen.

Hi. Not my first research, but need shorter answer. Shooting only for work real estate photos and videos (realtors talking and general). Would someone rather suggest a7c ii or other Sony hybrid, but not 7RV (too expensive). Thank you for your time.

Pricing is too close to the A74, the only reasons for buying the A7c over an A74 is price and size, the A7cIi is obviously being priced in line with the A7V for when that’s released, which doesn’t bode well for the price of that.

is it worth selling my a7iii to get the a7cii? i feel like some drawbacks of the a7cii are making me not wanna sell, i would like to hear your guys' opinion

What are your thoughts between the A7IV and A7CII? I currently have an A7IV and need a second camera. I love the compactness of the A7CII for travel and everyday shooting, but I worry about the single card slot and possible overheating when compared to the A7IV. Please let me know your thoughts!

I don't see these cameras as "replacements" simply because Sony is targeting hobby/travel market not pros. Most pros will _really_ want (or require) dual card slots. Beyond that, these are very compelling cameras.

Already have an A7C, and I don't have any reason to upgrade. The thing I need to upgrade is my skills, and A7C is 1000% enough atm :D

im using a7iii, and im annoyed by 30mins video limit, i want upgrade to a7cii, is this good?

EVF magnification is the key. It’s the same as a6700 now.

I wanna upgrade from my 6600 and the 2 main reasons are better view finder/screen and a joystick, both of these kinda disappoint ne because they are awesome but not perfect

I just bought the Sony a7iv a week ago as my first camera ever. Should I send it back and get sony a7cii or keep it?

I think an A1 for action and an A7RC would be a really good combination for action and landscape, respectively. I use AI focus often for wildlife and I use focus stacking often for MACRO and landscape on my A7RV. The question for me is whether I’d sell my A7RIV and buy the A7CR as a backup for my A7RV. I doubt it because it is just too redundant.

So the R sensor out resolves its EVF & LCD… 😂 .. I have the A7Cii and it’s fun. Tempted by R.. nervous about noise below 6400.

what about the sony a7cr or sony a7riv

With a better evf and rear screen this could have the leica q3 wit interchangeable lens…..

thank you for calling out Sony for their lack of firmware updates

canon has auto subject recognition option which makes more sense.

Thank you Pierre for your review on these wonderful cameras. One thing to note is once you start using the Ai tracking, It will drain batteries faster.

I can always tell the difference between my photos taken with Sony and Nikon cameras. Many times tried to get the same colors from Sony I'm getting from Nikon, never got the same results. Every camera has it's own signature look. So I'm not sure whether I want to buy A7Cii. The size and weight are attractive, but I'm afraid the colors will be the same as before.

I just watched your RX1ii initial review. They fix everything you said was wrong with the RX1ii (improved grip, battery, auto focus, more megapixels) with interchangeable lenses for $300 less, but somehow you wouldn't recommend these 🤣 Photography channels have become so inconsistent and "trend following" it's insane. If you slap a small 35mm f2 on this, its a next gen, (far superior) RX1 with more options... but because Leica and a few other "trendy" companies have fixed lenses this isn't being compared to those. I'm glad I stopped paying attention to camera channels, the recommendations make zero sense these days because (mostly) everyone in the space is trend-hopping instead of being practical. No disrespect intended, I'm just thinking from the perspective of Sony, and what I'm seeing is camera critics are insatiable and change their expectations almost weekly.

I was hoping a7cii will cost closer to FX30. Now Zve1 seems better than a7cii But for new camera enthusiasts like me S5ii seems better and it costs less that FX30 is my country.

After travelling around Turkey for a month with my A1 - def going to buy the A7Cii ;)

To be honest, both are great cameras but I feel like my Sony A7r4 is still doing a wonderful job. The autofocus is still as good as I needed...I think I will wait until A7r6 before consider upgrading :)

9:57 Polish power 💪

Is this the same AF as the A7RV where you can save a face & it’s the highest grade AF I’ve ever seen in my life?

I went through this dilemma myself recently... and I ended up buying the A7Cii. The A7CR has a higher resolution, but there are negative tradeoffs for someone needing a true Hybrid camera (for video and photo). Full disclosure: I already own the A7IV and A7RV, but I required a Hybrid Body in a Compact form-factor that I can quickly switch between photo shooting and integrating into a cinema rig. The A7Cii does (as you've said) have a lower overall quality EVF and integrated touch screen, but when I'm shooting video, I use my own EVF and my own monitor (depending on whether I'm shooting from the hip, or shooting from the shoulder, or shooting on a gimbal). As you also said, the camera doesn't matter nearly as much as your knowledge and skills, followed by the glass you put in front of it. Where the camera body matters more in that "ratio" is when shooting video... and when it comes to low light video performance, I've found that the A7Cii is clearly (and noticeably) better than the A7CR. These Compact bodies are also far better when it comes to incorporating them into the heart of a modular cinema rig system. They're better than the A7IV and the A7RV (which are both, overall, better camera bodies for photography given their superior integrated monitors and EVF units). For my growing love of street photography, I'm currently challenging myself to use the A7Cii as my primary, but I will confess I'm still carrying either the A7IV or the A7RV with me (with a second focal length on it). Why do I need a compact body? Well, I have to climb mountains with my gear... and my gear includes at least 2 separate drones (usually a Mavic 3 Cine and either a Cinewhoop or an FPV) and both weight and size really matter. Carrying an A7IV and A7RV (for A and B units) not only takes up a significant amount more room in my pack, it adds a noticeable amount of weight. If, however, you're going single body, or looking for a secondary (B) camera, or you don't have to sherpa your gear 20-30km in a day on foot... buy a full-sized body. As you said, Pierre, nobody really NEEDS the AI Autofocus (though it can be quite good, I won't deny)... so everyone should prioritise what matters more to them.

Merci pour tes vidéos Pierre : comme pour toi en tant que professionnel, je ne peux prendre le risque de n avoir qu’une seule sd-card…

Video idea: Lens suggestions for the A7CR and A7Cii, I've looked and did not find many videos on KZfaq. As much as I like the GM 24-70 or Sigma 24-70 ART lenses, I don't want to pair them with a A7Cii

Which one you'll consider as your first camera?

This kind of EVF was acceptable in the NEX-6, ten years ago.

They are not trying to replace, more like the B version of their counterparts.

I am coming from an a6000, and I love Sony cameras. I think my next one will be the a7cr

A7Cii is mostly for the advanced amateur market IMO, someone who prefers portability over professional features like dual card slots.

next video title: i was wrong! about the a7c2

So disappointed. Pay panasonic for ibis patent licensing already. Digital stabilization is 2003 technology sony still uses

The single memory cards slot is a dealbreaker for me.

The only way to get maximum output out of these overpriced compact cameras is to he GM or out equivalent lenses. And if u get the extended grip u might as well get a Sony A7RV or Sony A7IV🤷🏾‍♂️ To top it off only 1 slot 🤦🏾‍♂️

welcome to another episode of "shit I can't buy", today featuring "I'm too poor". next episode we will be reviewing "selling kidneys"

Canon R8 vs A7c2 ??

the firmware shade is real 😂

SUPER. SOON I WILL MAKE MY REVIEW😏

4k60 1.5x Crop is a Big nono for me

No kidding not worth the price difference between the a7c. $1500 used like new off KEH or MPB.

If what you get does not improve overtime… (firmware updates) nor interested. They don’t care about customers.

$2200 and 1 card slot. What a joke. I got my Canon R6 II brand new for $2200.

Sony Update the A1, shame on you Sony. Do not forget the Pros consumer they payed a lot of money. Evf is so 2016 I canˋt understand.

The name convention at Sony is as confusing as their menu

Wouldn't get either one either, and the EVS is total garbage! I'll stick with the A7RV thanks.

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Theyll be perfect when they get dual card dlots.

I'm still using my A7rii for professional works. LOL

No chance with this viewfinder.

Nice Camera but knowing Sony. They wouldn't provide any firmware like the A1.

WAIT 12 MONTHS AND PICK UP this camera for $1,000.00 US less money... for today's tech. Don't buy it today, don't be a FOOL. buy it from a fool next year.