Sony a7S III vs a7S II Low Light Comparison | Is The a7S II Actually Better?

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In this video I compare the low light capabilities of the Sony A7s III vs its predecessor the a7S II to see if the new version is better and if so, by how much? You'd think that with its back side illuminated sensor, improved colour science and 10 bit recording capabilities the a7S III should run rings around it's older sister...but it's just not that simple. Enjoy!
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@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

I hope you enjoy!

@kane01337 3 жыл бұрын

Great video - Had a feeling the A7Sii Noise reduction was not as aggressive as Siii - controls over NR in camera would be really welcome.

@NightOwlsMedia 3 жыл бұрын

outstanding video man! Thank you for the details and hard work!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Kind words, many thanks 🙏🏻

@KoelAnderson 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Harv! An adjustable NR option would be great in a firmware update

@umang9565 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing the info 👍👍

@SuperAudience 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks... Enjoyed it very much!

@Ahmadmzazai 3 жыл бұрын

Wtf! You should have at least a million subscribers. Excellent personality and excellent content

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

So kind, glad you enjoyed this one 👍🏻

@Josh.Vanjani 3 жыл бұрын

Woah, I was literally just talking with a friend about this topic this morning! Definitely sharing it with him! Must be on the same wavelength ha ha 😎

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks 🙏🏻

@arnoldshining5851 3 жыл бұрын

Loved the vid! I would also love a video on the new phantom luts for the a7s iii!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Good idea, they’ve had a huge overhaul 👍🏻

@get_spanked240 3 жыл бұрын

@@HarvVideoAudioStuff yes please do a video on those. Especially the neutral. Last one you did on them, they made the skin magenta 🤢. Hoping this fixes that problem.

@gadgetphilosophy8290 3 жыл бұрын

Nice one mate

@tompotten3939 3 жыл бұрын

That shot at 6:21 is stunning, great video as usual Harv!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks 🙏🏻

@timetocomehome 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Harv, great video again! Where were you able to pick up an A7siii in the UK? Everywhere I look they’re only available for pre order at the moment, but I really want to pick one up!

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

I managed to get one from wex but it was a preorder, they do 0% and the prices are right but aren’t always lighting fast to deliver 😅

@Arri. 3 жыл бұрын

Id like to thank you Harv for making comparison between a7sii & a7siii

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

There’s more to come 👍🏻

@The22Century 3 жыл бұрын

I liked those shots in Bristol they have a character

@pcmaster888 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, the perceived sharpness from ISO 50k upwards (3:00) is way better for the A7S2 than the A7S3, but that's probably due to the NR in the S3 too

@domtoretto8616 2 жыл бұрын

I agree.. you always lose detail applying NR to the luminance as apposed to the chroma channels.

@AiurMedia 2 жыл бұрын

interesting comparison, i use a7sii shooting in slog2 at 12800iso all the time it's fantastic

@technotronic7634 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bro !

@geckovision 3 ай бұрын

Thanks. Very nice work. The idea lower ISO values to avoid needing an ND filter is probably more intriguing than anything else for me. Did you find this was substantial for you too?

@PsychicWorldTV 3 жыл бұрын

Hello Harv another awesome video please give us Raw desperate to hear your opinions and workflow I follow your channel religiously it has made all the difference in my work thank you

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

I’m considering getting the atomos, there will definitely be a video if I take the plunge 👍🏻

@PsychicWorldTV 3 жыл бұрын

Harv Video/Audio Stuff I live about 45 minutes from you and often come to Bristol to go and get my Costco shopping very happy to lend you my ninja if you want ?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Such a kind offer, I think it would be best if I picked one up though. I could be a while trying to figure out how to get the best out of it 😅

@pettgree 2 жыл бұрын

Great video 👌 Also nice voiceover, really enjoyed it.. What audio setup did you use ? 🙏

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 2 жыл бұрын

Many thanks 🙏🏻 I use an AKG C414 (my fav mic ever) into a warm audio preamp and a SPL crimson interface 👍🏻

@pettgree 2 жыл бұрын

@@HarvVideoAudioStuff interesting, 👌thanks a lot & keep going ! 😃

@azyzmakhavi1139 11 ай бұрын

I'd rather choose a camera that gives better light at lower ISO such as a7sii because it avoids more noise.

@KOTAKVISUAL 3 жыл бұрын

Wow the color 😎🤘

@radiozelaza 3 жыл бұрын

geez, I thought it was that bad weather in Australia...

@domtoretto8616 2 жыл бұрын

I agree with the notion as to why would be shooting at such a high ISO (409.6k) unless you're trying to replicate a broadcast being picked up and viewed from the farthest galaxy known :) 10 bit gives one 1024 tonal values to map in... and you can see that in the highlights from the a7s III. That has nothing to do with ISO. A7s1,2,3 have the same 409.6k iso rating (light sensitivity). They all have the same resolution sensor (12.2 vs 12.1) except the A7siii has the newer larger photo sites (less space between) not to mention a BSI structure to collect more light. That right there gives the A7siii the advantage when it comes to noise. Sony officially states that Sony a7S III does not have dual ISOs, there is a point 4-stops above the base ISO where the a7S III boosts the signal to the analog digital converter resulting in lower noise. This effectively creates a second base ISO. At the native rating, the image is at its highest signal-to-noise ratio.

@AllCarsUnited Жыл бұрын

@@DD450it's very possible that it doesn't have a dual native ISO but rather noise reduction application of sorts. It's also been shown that the camera does not have a 12 mp sensor

@DigitalDre 3 жыл бұрын

Can you please compare a7iii to a7siii in good lighting conditions? In 4k30 please

@fish2036 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry HARV, what LUT is that at 4.12 10,000 iso, it sounds like "Tri-Un films", can you clarify? Did it also help reduce a lot of the noise?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 2 жыл бұрын

You got it right, they’re called Triune films LUTs (aka film riot YT channel). It helped with noise in this case because it added loads of contrast 👍🏻

@frankvehafric5062 9 ай бұрын

Well, there's also the 2,200 dollar price difference between a clean used A7SII and a new or newish A7SIII. As a retired person who is a hobbyist and not a pro, that's a significant variable.

@AlexandreG Жыл бұрын

The fact that you show repeated footage side by side, that was shot at the same time, makes this a real comparison, opposite to what most channels around do. They always manage to show a split screen comparison showing each side of the footage for each camera, making it a wasted comparison. Sometimes they do that correctly but they shoot it one after another instead of simultaneously, which depending on the subject, can make it an unfair comparison

@MelonTL_YH2 3 жыл бұрын

Yessss, the man I learned the a7s2 on now doing a7s3 test.

@Puertosimo 3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried a comparison with the a7III? From what I see with some test, the a7III appear much cleaner than a7sIII (speaking of linear profiles). Log, after 12800, is better in the a7sIII. Color are always better in a7sIII. But speaking only of noise, I see much more noise in the a7sIII than a7III (visible especially in low light/underexposed situation). I also thought that there is much more noise reduction going on in the a7III but I haven't prove of that. I'm trying to figure out if I'm doing something wrong or that's effectively the case. Thanks!

@rkan2 2 жыл бұрын

Probably, but the A7s is always better at especially very low light situations. I think it can even out-perform the A1 once you get past situations of 16k or 25k ISO. Before that the A7III could be better (again in scenes where you still have light on nearly all surfaces) and the A1 definitely so.

@markdelanoy6835 3 жыл бұрын

Not sure if you knew this or it was said earlier (you mention it briefly at the end)... but per Philip Bloom if you externally record (atomos ninja v) it looks like crap out of camera but after using the noise reduction software of your choice... presto no noise. External recording apparently skips the internal noise reduction. If you dual record (internal vs. external) the external won't have the noise reduction whereas the internal will. To your point about Sony "please fix this" yes... but you do have alternatives if you want (and you get prores RAW, etc. but there's all of those costs (recorder, ssd's, batteries, cables, aka more stuff). Future video idea assuming you have an Atomos Ninja V (or can get a loaner) ... try this video again with both a7s-m2 and an m3 but use the Atomos. I'd be curious how they compare. m2 can only do 4:2:0 and limited prores when using the Ninja V. I'd also be curious about CINE2 on the m2 (per Gerald undone) and S-LOG3 on the m3 in low light.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Indeed I did mention this in the video, but some cool ideas here 👍🏻

@andreiwindstorm 2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I like the colors more on the A7s II, and in fact it reproduced the colors more naturally in a city at night, I don't know why you're stating the opposite. The III looks like a dud with all that cold colors and green blobs and noise reduction. Sure the magenta artefacts are annoying on the A7S II at maximum iso, but no one in their right mind will go over 80-102 k anyway, so...

@wilcohitzert9872 3 жыл бұрын

What ISO setting are you most comfortable using on the a7s3? past 12800 do you often go further than 50000?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

I’m happy up to around 40000, anything past that and I know I’ll probably be in need of noise reduction 👍🏻

@wilcohitzert9872 3 жыл бұрын

@@HarvVideoAudioStuff A nice thanks for the reply my man!

@raytracingcj733 2 жыл бұрын

2:29 hacia adelante deberías colocar la f y velocidad de obturacion en ambas

@hzubovi1 2 жыл бұрын

How does dynamic range change with ISO?

@acidcube6967 3 жыл бұрын

🌟✨🤛 Cheers dude, as you mentioned Atmos Ninja... How big a jump is Sony A7S Original compared to Sony A7S ||| for low light Filming if recorded on the Amos Ninja? does this make a significant improvement over Sony A7S ||| if both recording raw footage Low light Filming conditions? In your opinion does the use an external recorder like Atmos Ninja to record raw? close the gap from all the models? 〽️🕶

@dreakbloxplayz 2 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know kirk hammet also do photography during free time

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 2 жыл бұрын

Yawn, I’ve had so many of these over the years. People just see a beard and mid-length hair and pick a celeb (seemingly at random). Add Kirk hammet to the list 🙄

@lloydfrancis6700 2 жыл бұрын

Hey bro did they fix the noise reduction yet ?

@Alexrocks1253 Жыл бұрын

nope... :( I think they're banking on people purchasing the FX6.

@HalfInsaneOutdoorGuy 3 жыл бұрын

what ISO would be most comparable to your naked eye? Its impossible to tell how dark it is in a video without a comparison to the naked eye =/

@michellopes9750 Жыл бұрын

For stills, a shot at 204.800 ISO has acceptable noise?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff Жыл бұрын

Hmm I’m only into video so I couldn’t say, but I suspect…no 😄

@michellopes9750 Жыл бұрын

@@HarvVideoAudioStuff thanks, anyway!

@kaemmkopf 3 жыл бұрын

you got me after 5 sek just because of your voice and the metal intro :-D

@BridgetWashingt0n 3 жыл бұрын

So far is it worth the upgrade?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, it’s a very different beast 👍🏻

@RoyRagnar 3 жыл бұрын

Look at daks stats and someone PLEASE tell me who Dallas can get who will produce like this man. My god. Dak go somewhere else where you are wanted and go kick some ass. Dak you da man

@RynaxAlien 10 ай бұрын

A7S II not backlit CMOS? Backlit CMOS were introduced since 2012.

@sonomoha3832 2 жыл бұрын

Troopers Hill 😌

@lcy4167 3 жыл бұрын

3 minutes and 45 seconds, a stain appears on the left side of a7s2. Is this a common problem?

@azyzmakhavi1139 2 жыл бұрын

Yes, it is common. Morover, a7s has the same problem.

@anchorbait6662 3 жыл бұрын

Oh hello

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Hi 👋🏻

@marco.trerotola.filmmaker 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the test, but It's not the same white balance

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks but I did explain this in the video. Auto WB on the first example to see how the cameras would react and a custom wb on the second using a grey card, they should look different because they’re different cameras 👍🏻

@Makewayproduction 3 жыл бұрын

A7sii $900 or A7siii $3200? Worth it?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

I suppose it depends how deep your pockets are but I think so. The a7s2 was good but the a7s3 is a dream 👍🏻

@dmacrolens 2 жыл бұрын

The human eye can distinguish approximately 10 million colors...

@Jacob_._Roberts 3 жыл бұрын

Can the human brain discriminate 16.7 million colors?

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Or 1.06 billion in 10bits case? 🤔

@chekyourhed 3 жыл бұрын

You are ridiculous Harv, you should be doing picture quality, the Iso low light on the a7s2 is good enough, who is actually trying to shoot in the night this much if you understand good video.

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

You’ve gotta push the extremes to really see the differences with these cameras though do you think? None of this was meant to be ‘real world’, anyway people seem to enjoy it 😄

@chekyourhed 3 жыл бұрын

Yes Harv thanks for all your amazing videos I am just really surprised that the Internet has not covered in a video the picture quality difference between the two and the three I mean it’s ultra crazy because this is the most important factor in deciding whether you should upgrade other than that it has 4K 120 FPS

@HarvVideoAudioStuff 3 жыл бұрын

Many thanks, I can help there...the answer is if you can afford it then it’s definitely worth upgrading. The only thing that Sony didn’t upgrade is the mount. If you’ve not seen it my ‘First week with the a7s3’ video is worth a watch 👍🏻