good idea but then cant someone just zoom in a lot and let another player easily kill them or just oine player zoom in an out?

@@hollowknightenjoyer off screen as in what is rendered, not shown

@@dish7877 wdym?

@@hollowknightenjoyer as in its the same distance for every player no matter how zoomed in you are

@@hollowknightenjoyer Terraria renders slightly _more_ than it normally shows! I assume it's a consistent size, no matter your resolution/zoom level, you can actually see how far it renders by using the "Better Zoom" mod!

Yeah, I've been playing for years and had a rough time the first time beating Deerclops. All enemies deal contact damage, with the telegraph being their sprite. Only exception I can think of is Moon Lord, but in his case, the active/damaging parts are eyes and lasers. Also, flattening an arena in the snow biome isn't something i think to do every playthrough.

Yeah, as a non DS player I had no idea either so the fight went on like 5x longer than it should have cause I was spacing to avoid damage the only way I knew how to and making it invincible. I didn't really like it.

​@@evnbd1370 as a DS player I had no idea you could go under the legs. I thought you just had to sort of wiggle back and forth in front of him

@@syrup5940 yeah wiggling in front of him did not work for me either 😭 if only we knew

You may discover it using melee and or cthulu dash, but I don't think I would've realized had it not been spoiled for me

They should've just gone with Don't Starve Together's HP value for Deerclops, with 4k on classic, ~5-6k on expert, and ~7-8k on master. That puts it a bit above Queen Bee and firmly pre-skeletron, which is really when Deerclops should be fought since the drops are pretty much useless post-skeletron. Shoutout to when Deerclops was first added and the HP scaling was bugged to use normal enemy HP scaling, so it had 14k on expert and 21k on master.

I totally agree about how repetitive the boss is.

"how repetitive it is" you're comparing her with which bosses exactly to say that? she's one of the most unique bosses, and it's not like the other pre-hm bosses (and even some hm ones) have more than 3 attacks anyways, meanwhile, Deerclops is the only boss that changes her attacks based on the player's position, if the latter is far or above her head. "a boss with this much HP should not be just 3 attacks that loops within the span of ~6 seconds" her HP is reasonable and you can still beat her pretty fast, if you can't, it's either skill issue or you are skipping proggression so you can't complain about how long the fight is, remember that she's SUPPOSED to be fought after skeletron so she must have the stats of a boss of that level of proggression (even though she can be fought in the very early game because she doesn't despawn). her HP pool is high also because heat potion makes her dmg negligible and you could face-tank and DPS check her way more easily if she had a lower HP pool, she also only has 10 defense balancing out even more her high HP pool. and how is she "looping 3 attacks" any different from other pre-hm bosses? "expand his moveset" that is already the biggest in pre-hm and even among some hm bosses? -unique mechanic of beign invulnerable at a certain distance -snowball attack if player is far -3 hit attack with ice spikes if player is close -shadow hands if the player is above her head -constant shadow hands on expert+. "only really eyebone is usefull and it's really just quality of life in the end of the day" why are you disregarding QoL items? if anything eyebone is MORE valuable than weapons dropped from the bosses you mentioned because if you are opting to use it you can stick with it for the rest of your gameplay, even post-ml, because it won't get outclassed by another item that is the same with higher numbers.

@@nideer could you please put subway surfers gameplay, family guy, and some random mobile game ad to the sides of this

@@nideerare you this passionate about everything involving deer, or……?

And the loot this BOSS gives is underlevel at the point You can kill him everything else is better

@@juandavidacunapinzon740 I've always felt like it's supposed to be some kind of power scaling thing, like the boss they got from terraria are the eyes, which are some of the easiest bosses. Terraria universe is just built different

i think there's a death ray in infernum

Gonna use this as a chance to complain Sentry summoner used to be very fun, mainly because when using the DD2 ranged sentries, they would immediately fire, giving summoner a fun too use attack option before whips Now they have to wait a lil, completely removing that option. Tbh I think all sentries should have that effect, firing immediately upon spawning and allowing for an interesting way of attacking as summoner

Actually, with the latest dst update, that might be more fitting than ever...

@@gernanite911 every fucking mod uses death ray in every boss, it's like a requirement

If you leave enough spare fragments, you can simply craft the Celestial Sigil

The laser was in Eternity mode first

@@IcyPK_Studios Wait, does EMode still have the shadow hands or does it also remove them?

I wouldn't know. When I did my Infernum playthough the only boss I skipped was Deerclops just out of spite for it.

i despised deerclops infernum actually

@@LoraLoibu iirc eternity mode removes the rng shadow hands but masochist mode readds them

It has laser eye during christmas

@@joroc That's also where it's invincibility design comes from

i think its supposed to represent deerclops' high sanity drain? but executed kind of poorly tbh

@@lenship2 the high sanity drain is represented by the fight

@@JasperWilliams42 If the fight didn't have the shadow hands, it wouldn't be so painful That's the point of this video

It’s likely because(along with deerclops himself) the shadow hands are one of the most recognizable aspects of DST. A core aspect of the game that appears relatively early.

I think it honestly would have been better if deer clops gave you a sanity debuff that slowly increases as time goes on (reduced by eating food) if it gets over a certain amount, slow moving shadow creatures spawn off screen and make their way to the fight, they shouldn't have much hp, needing you to focus them for maybe 1-2 seconds for them to die and if the sanity debuff reaches max terror beaks spawn which are faster and require a bit more focus to kill them. (THIS IS IF THEY WANTED A SANITY MEHCANIC WITH SHADOW CREATURES AT ALL I DON'T THINK DEERCLOPS AS IT IS INGAME CURRENTLY SHOULD HAVE THIS MECHANIC)

Ikr? It seems so unfair

Twins should've gotten different attacks, but I completely agree

Twins are bs in dst

you're basing that exactly on... this video? That just shrugs off most of the point of doing bosses in terraria in the first place?

Yeah, you should always assume new players will be going in with zero prior knowledge, and deerclops does not to that. I always tried to go over it and got my ass clapped by shadow hands, so I always thought the fight was way to difficult for that stage of the game. But because it doesn't despawn on death I would repeatedly die, have to walk all the way back over to the snow biome, chip away a small amount of its health, and repeat

just like every other boss in terraria. You don't notice because you've played so much you already know the patterns

​@@TheLifeLaVita There's a difference between figuring out when a boss is going a specific attack, and how to avoid that attack to begin with. Even once you memorize what attacks it's going to do and when, absolutely nothing about Deerclops says you should dodge them by *walking through the boss' sprite* , because the game has presumably ingrained on you at that point that all enemies deal contact damage, and you're unlikely to have any i-frames at that point.

@@Dinoman972 you talk like that's supposed to be a bad thing while it's a unique feature. It's not that hard to realize that you're so used to 10 years of no-deerclops that you are biased against it. New players have no problems. Deerclops is rare and absolutely not mandatory. You don't find its summon in chests like the eye. So drop the bias and let's avoid making up problems when there are none thank you

@@TheLifeLaVita I literally only started playing the game shortly after 1.4.4. came out. I'm by no means a Terraria expert, but I didn't have to die to Skeletron 100 times and memorize its entire attack pattern to figure out I should dodge its hands in general, and destroy them before the main body so it has less attacks overall. Because that's actually intuitive game design that builds on everything the game had taught me so far, and that's what made the fight fun. But absolutely nothing about it prepared me for a zombie-type enemy that punishes being anywhere except within its sprite, because that's the opposite of what every single other enemy in the game up until that point does. And I couldn't have possibly figured out I can move through its legs without looking it up online, as seems to be the case with multiple other people in this comment section. It's unique, yes, but not in a good way. And being optional is hardly an excuse for being simply not fun, especially when the player has so little control over when the boss is summoned. Imagine a more casual player is trying to make a nice build in the snow biome, then a blizzard appears and they have to fight this thing out of nowhere. I'm not sure how many other newer players share this sentiment, but it's bold to claim that not liking Deerclops is universally an old guard thing with no proof.

also when i recently fought against them, i naturally did the running between the legs option, and never saw the arms to hit me. i also think the slowness is a decent mechanic as it can prevent new players from using gorilla (don’t know how to spell it) warfare tactics but should only be used one they are between far away and near

oh expert mode change that explains it.

@@soggyflipflop the word you are looking for is guerrilla

@@soggyflipflop gorilla warfare sounds like an awesome nature documentary about 2 packs of gorillas having a war against eachother

@@nguyentanphat7tc324 hell yeah

The second part is literally the entire point of the video

Deerclops hits very hard if you fight it at a stage where its drops are still useful

the shadow hands represent shadow creatures, which also screw up kiting in dst!

@@jackcopeland9193 they're still way too common

@@ss3nm0dn4r8 similar to dst

And then the shadow hands come back in Masochist Mode (a Fargo's difficulty harder than Eternity) and only prove the point of this video further - that shadow hands suck and contribute nothing to a well designed fight. (Not a slight against Masochist, though, since it is an intentionally kinda stupid difficulty and the fact that readding a vanilla mechanic can ruin some fights is definitely worth showcasing in a difficulty like that)

@@tornadotoss Masochist was intentionally designed as a "You want pain? *Fine.* But don't complain to us after this." kinda deal

Eternity mode deerclops would be my favorite fight if it wasn't so damn tanky

i skipped deerclops because the drops were ass and the fight confused the shit out of me

Queen slime is my favorite pre plantera boss, the minions are a non issue, they are a game mechanic to force the player to not backtrack and instead keep running one direction. She always summons the minions behind her in both of her phases, so build a skybridge and hold A or D until you win. If queen slime feels like an annoying minion reliant bullet hell boss, then you just havent adapted to the boss's unique design

@@bombthing I don't feel like "hold A until you win" is a convincing argument towards good design

@@arcturuslight_ Then I take it you think wall of flesh is bad too?

​@@bombthing Unique scenario requirement =/= avoidance of bullshit. Sure, plenty of other bosses benefit from kiting or otherwise looping movement, but unless you take an large amount of time to clear the children, Queen Slime introduces too much unpredictable projectiles. If they were slower but still bounced, I find Queen Slime would be more tolerable, but as it is, I have to agree that she's just not fun at all.

yeah queen slime is indeed one of my least favorite bosses NOT BAD just not enjoyable, and without wing is a death sentence. rewards good, design simple, the fight? all over the place and the minions are not good sniper slime, spamming and flying, feels like your fighting an army in the worse way possible BUT STILL SHE'S FORGIVABLE SINSE SHE'S AN OPTIONAL BOSS NOT A REQUIREMENT

Idk, to me the boss is okay to beat in the middle of prehardmode. I would argue that the boss becomes too easy after queen bee and skeletron, because pretty much all you have to do is not get beat up by the ice spikes and not go far from the boss. I beat him with pre-skeletron gear by just jumping to his other side when he was about to do his ice attack

You can beat it as the first boss even on master mode if you set your spawn near the place where you fight it and keep dying and dying until you kill it

I've never died to deer clips, I usually fight it immediately after EoW and it just doesn't seem to do any damage. I didn't actually know about the legs hit box thing so I've just been dodging the swarm of shadow hands and facetanking the hits from the ice attack, with shadow armor and a worm scarf it's not a threat.

@@benito1620 The shadow hand swarm (when you go above deerclops) has been said to be _easier_ to dodge than the occasional shadow hands

Expert isn’t bad, I haven’t tried master though. Just throwing bodies at him until he dies usually works fine

I'm sorry, **no hit**?

​@@monkebox3436what are you... not getting about this? what's confusing about it?

@@DarkShard5728 sounds like torture

I don't really think no hit challenges count towards a boss being bad since the game isn't about not getting hit, those challenges are stupid anyway.

@@coin4898 I'm pretty sure challenges aren't exactly supposed to be easy or a goal of the game Sure, some games present challenges but for sandbox games it literally doesn't make sense to give the player a challenge at least not one you can't overcome by just improving slightly, getting lucky, or getting better gear anyway point is that's why it's a challenge saying "the game isn't about not getting hit" is like telling someone water isn't about having flavor Of course it's not, but why not add some flavor mix, bc, you know, you can

Deerclops has a blind spot in its hitboxes at its feet, where only the third hit of the combo and shadow hands can hit you. It's far from safe and you will die unless you have high defense or an obscenely strong whipstacking build that can outdps it, since that third hit freezes you (which cancels a grapple, which you probably use for knockback immunity to stay there), hits pretty hard, and the shadow hand RNG can still fuck you over.

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@@sorbetcafe iirc there was or still is an exploit with using minecarts on a rail bouncing between i think 3 length railroad

There use to be an exploit with the boss that includes tables for some reason

I'm pretty sure the cheese method in question is the furniture + minecart method that avoids the ice spikes and fools any shadow hand that predictively aims, which you mentioned in passing in your cheese strats video. One other thing that could be changed with the Deerclops fight is there being some year-round obtainable freeze immunity, probably with Warmth Potion because it makes thematic sense. You can build up a lot of defense before the fight and it's enough to facetank most attacks, but the freeze effect makes it hard to return to safety if you get hit too many times.

every other enemy in the game damages you when you touch them, so its a safe guess that you shouldnt run directly into him

@@humanbean6672 that's kinda what I said

yes

Aligning the shadow hands with the rhythm would definitely make them 10x better

Ok, that's good to know. I spent a while summoning Deerclops and trying to get close enough to fight it without being slowed and like 80% of the time it would happen, I could never quite identify why it wouldn't happen sometimes but it was probably due to moving up or down.

@@sorbetcafe if you ever need to know something from the code, such as hitboxes or detailed mechanics, let me know! I like explaining this stuff. I say hitboxes because some projectiles have hitboxes that aren't accurately displayed by mods with hitbox visualizers(like some of EoL's projectiles)

@@sorbetcafe small oversight from my comment: the 120 frames can also be since it spawned, so for 2 seconds it's guaranteed to not start the animation

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@@itstruce. Hi truce

Queen Slime is pretty bad, but the main thing that's frustrating about Deerclops to me is that it could actually be good. The whole premise of the boss fight is undermined by a single attack, whereas Queen Slime is just all-around a mess of projectiles. Ruining something good is worse than being bad to begin with, imo.

@@sorbetcafe ooh fair point

The boss doesn't inflict chilled, just Frozen and Slowed (which only lasts for a split second so it's almost comepletely ignorable). Not saying that makes it better though, because instead she inflicts slow, which you need a hardmode exclusive item to be immune to, and by that point almost none of Deerclops' drops are useful.

@@venomousslime6797 Oh really? Then that's even worse, I'd much rather just have some damaging debuff over slowed

@@charmeleonevolves5553 Yeah. Also did i make it seem like I'm trying to go against your point? Cause that's not really what I'm trying to do.

@@venomousslime6797 Nah, you just pointed out an incorrect part of my statement, and I'm acknowledging it and expressing my dislike for the fact that it's worse than I thought

Oh yes, isn't that fun? Did you know it can actually still continue to spawn naturally after you've beaten it, unlike every other boss? So, even if you've killed deer before, it can still spawn at night in the tundra. Hope you didn't like setting up home base there!

@@nathancarver7179 Yeah dude this is annoying asf, i would rather do calamity infernum then get on mediumcore again because of this trauma XD

doesnt have 20k hp in mastermode?

@@timedeathe It was bugged! The proper HP it should have, according to the wiki is *15172*

@@LoraLoibu ok

or a rework to some of them, i feel like giving the player deerclops' ice attack is the most obvious way to go, as it's, simply put "fucking awesome" i'd say replace the dumbass shadow hands the bone helm has with it 😮👉 true melee support 👈😲

@@fortnitesexman I’d say add a true melee weapon with the ice spikes as an on-hit effect

queen slime is good though??

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it's true, queen slime is also really bad. but deerclops is on par i'd say. queen slime is at least easy to defeat once you learn that you just need to keep running in one direction from the boss to beat it, the slimes she spawns can't reach you that way. most of the fight is just bad because there's really only ONE way to fight it viably. deerclops is just constant hell with the RNG infused shadow hands and repetitive fight, though

Yeah but queen slime is sexy unlike deerclops

@@coin4898 I could be disgusted but i chose to say based

@@coin4898 that's just your opinion

in gaming history????

eternity mode also adds that iirc

and eternity

Moon Lord is awesome. I don’t see anything wrong with him, he’s a perfect final boss

Moon Lord just an alright boss personally for me. Nothing amazing, but it not bad at all

I really do dislike moonlord too

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