Tares are not converted to Wheat. Goats are not converted to Sheep. His Sheep will hear His voice.

“I have declared the end from the beginning”. Sounds like God did plan everything beforehand... because that’s what he said he did

I met Dr. White in Arkansas when he visited! He preached on Hebrews 6. One of the greatest experiences of my 24 years so far! Thanks Dr. White.

I watched the whole Romans 9 debate. What struck me is the dishonesty Flowers exhibited by agreeing to debate the exegesis of Romans 9, and then never exegeting Romans 9. It's a common tactic with people who know their position is a losing one, but are unwilling to budge; not becoming of a Christ follower.

Dr. White SHINES in responses like this. Thankful for your work, brother.

I’m a Filipino and i love brother James White

How does the phrase "ability to respond to the gospel" equate to "we can save, set free and regenerate ourselves"? 🤔

Leighton: unregenerate man is able to accept the truth? 🤔 Leighton: "He becomes hardened to the truth and EVENTUALLY gets cut off" so he wasn't cut off to start with? Are all men in good standing with God until they reject the gospel? Sounds very upside down to me. 🤔

Thank you Dr White. Your ministry has been a big blessing to the church. Sola gracia!

Thanks bro! Leighton’s analogesis seems correct, until the scripture was presented.

Flowers won't concede that fatalism is impersonal. Fatalism is deterministic but without purpose as to what happens in creation. Where as theistic determinism is just the opposite. Namely God has a purpose in what He has eternally decreed. Why can't Flowers make distinctions? Because he is simply unfair and dishonest.

I don't understand why Satan would try and deceive and blind those who are already deceived and blind?

Thanks for this. May the doctrines of grace and the truth of gospel be preached everywhere

My inheritance from Adam is death and a corrupt nature. When in Adam's inheritance my desires are evil and my spirit can do nothing pleasing to God. If God offered me salvation by appearing to me personally as a burning bush or a cloud or column of flame or as a voice from a burning mountain it would make no difference. I would flee in fear and hate the being that terrified me. Like the Israelites said to Moses "you speak to God for us lest he destroy us. That was a situation where Hod put His best foot forward. Freedom from Egypt, food, clothing, riches etc. Did that help at all? No! Unless God changes the heart He will ever be an alien to His people.

You deserve more subscribers my friend. This was helpful thank you.

How can he(flower) even lived as Calvinist for 9 years with this kind of definition on pre-destination.

Thankyou James for giving a clear biblical understanding of Predestination. The semi-pelagians amongst us continue to distort the biblical understanding with their own personal interpretation. They cannot accept that God determines whatever comes to pass. They want to contribute something towards salvation through so-called free will. When it came to my conversion way back in 1974, I knew that Christ chose me. I did not choose Christ. I did NOT make a decision for Christ. My conversion was not a man-centered decision. The Holy Spirit revealed the TRUTH to me that IS CHRIST. I had nothing to contribute towards my salvation. I believe that to be heresy. To God be the Glory that He has predestined us In-Christ. Salvation is wholly the will of God. We cannot contribute anything toward it, despite what the semi-pelagians preach.

Even if it said he predestined adoption children do not adopt themselves. So flowers is double wrong no matter how you slice it.

For this argument to work for Flowers and those who take the same view, they MUST redefine it differently than that of who they differ with on the issue of predestination. It won’t work any other way for them.

No dead man has ever brought himself back to life. We were dead in our trespasses and sins. God had to impart life to us before we could respond. The bible states that God draws us and no one can come to Christ without his drawing us. The Shepard went in search of the lost sheep. No sinner seeks God just like no criminal seeks a policeman.

Good video.

Leighton seems to read Acts 4, Romans 8, and Ephesians 1 with his eyes closed.

Wow… The Son sets you free…WHEN YOU HAVE FAITH IN HIM.

Keep the great you are doing Dr. White. Flowers has changed the Bible from cover to cover to make his assumption to sound true, but nothing is more false than his teachings, and behind all of that there is an interest of selling books and getting money. I don’t think he was actually a Calvinist.

Love you ! May thee Lord give you strength

Leighton is making merchandise of his audience. It's an echo chamber on his channel. Anyone who tries refuting his free will doctrine is banned.

I'm not as smart as JW, but it's prettly clear to me that acknowledging the need for a Savior IS NOT EQUAL to a belief that one can save/regenerate himself. It's really quite the contrary. Hence, acknowledging the NEED for a Savior, NOT THE ABILITY to be the Savior. But I get it. JW is smarter than most of us. :)

This helps very much! Thank you Dr. White

I believe Leighton is sincere. Sincerely deceived.

It really is ALL ABOUT GOD! Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Have you ever experienced deja vu? I have experienced it many times in my life since I was a boy and still do at 64. It always happens when I go to a place I've never been to before. I concluded a long time ago that God is showing me glimpses of my future life long before it happens. Now I don't make anything of that, except that God knows the future before it happens. Predestination has to be true, otherwise God isn't omniscient. The thing about predestination is that God is the only one who knows how it turns out. We are not privy to it. Therefore, we have to live our lives one moment at a time, constantly making choices that we have no idea we will be faced with until we are faced with them. And we have no idea what choices we will make until we make them. But God already knows. God knew exactly what would happen in the garden of Eden. That is why he put the tree of the knowledge of good and evil there. And He didn't have to let the serpent in Eden. It was in the plan of salvation from the beginning. Adam's sin wasn't a failure of God. It was His plan. And that is why Revelation says that the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. It was already in the plan. It is all about us coming back to God in repentance and falling on His mercy; and who will and who won't. Think of this world as a movie, that has an "in the beginning" and a "the end." God is the producer and director of this movie. He has plugged it in and now it is playing. He already knows the whole epic story. God is not confined to time the way we are. He see's it all at once. The the term "free will" is nowhere in the Bible. But the terms "will of God" or "His will" are found 35 times. God chose us before we chose Him. Ac 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as WERE ORDAINED to eternal life believed. 2Th 2:13 ¶ But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because GOD HATH FROM THE BEGINNING CHOSEN YOU TO SALVATION through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Joh 6:44 NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER WHICH HATH SENT ME DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day. Eph 1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL, Eph 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, BEING PREDESTINATED ACCORDING TO THE PURPOSE OF HIM WHO WORKETH ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNSEL OF HIS OWN WILL: Ro 8:29 ¶ For WHOM HE DID FOREKNOW, HE ALSO DID PREDESTINATE to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom HE DID PREDESTINATE, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. Joh 17:24 ¶ Father, I will that they also, WHOM THOU HAS GIVEN ME, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 1Pe 1:2 ELECT ACCORDING TO THE FOREKNOWLEDGE OF GOD THE FATHER, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Eph 1:4 According as HE HAS CHOSEN US IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1Pe 1:20 Who verily was FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, but was manifest in these last times for you, Mt 13:35 THAT IT MIGHT BE FULFILLED which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter THINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Mt 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, COME, YE BLESSED OF MY FATHER, INHERIT THE KINGDOM PREPARED FOR YOU FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD: Lu 11:50 That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although THE WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Re 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose NAMES ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE OF THE LAMB SLAIN FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD. Re 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, WHOSE NAMES WERE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for THE ELECT's sake those days shall be shortened. Mt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive THE VERY ELECT. Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Lu 18:7 And shall not God avenge HIS OWN ELECT, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? Ro 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of GOD's ELECT? It is God that justifieth. Col 3:12 ¶ Put on therefore, as THE ELECT OF GOD, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; Mt 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few CHOSEN. Mt 22:14 For many are called, but few are CHOSEN. Mr 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for THE ELECT's sake, whom HE HATH CHOSEN, he hath shortened the days. 1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27 But GOD HATH CHOSEN the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and GOD HATH CHOSEN the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, HATH GOD CHOSEN, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: 29 THAT NO FLESH SHOULD GLORY IN HIS PRESENCE. 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: 31 That, according as it is written, HE THAT GLORIETH, LET HIM GLORY IN THE LORD. Jas 2:5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not GOD CHOSEN the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 1Pe 2:9 But YE ARE CHOSEN generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Re 17:14 ¶ These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and CHOSEN, and faithful. Re 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Isa 46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I AM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE ELSE; IAM GOD, AND THERE IS NONE LIKE ME, 10 DECLARING THE END FROM THE BEGINNING, AND FROM ANCIENT TIMES THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT YET DONE, SAYING, MY COUNSEL SHALL STAND, AND I WILL DO ALL MY PLEASURE. Ro 9:4 ¶ What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. 15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then IT IS NOT OF HIM THAT WILLETH, nor of him that runneth, BUT OF GOD THAT SHEWETH MERCY. 17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. 18 THEREFORE HATH HE MERCY ON WHOM HE WILL HAVE MERCY, AND WHOM HE WILL HE HARDENETH. 19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath FITTED TO DESTRUCTION: 23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, WHICH HE HAD AFORE PREPARED unto glory, 24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Joh 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Leighton invited Andy Stanley to his show, and he brown nose him all through the show. It is not strange then that soon we will see a Leighton that will follow those same steps. It is not strange then that he says things that are so erroneous. It is not strange that he does t really teach the Bible but the overwhelming majority of his KZfaq videos are exclusively against a doctrine that he doesn’t believe. I don’t pay any attention to his videos anymore, because he is not a Bible teacher, he is a teacher that has found a ways to make money through teaching against something that he does t really believe; and it is working. Another thing is this, he says that he evangelizes and doesn’t public ministry and I cannot find one video of him doing that; why? Maybe because he actually does t do it.

Flowers is just spewing out freewill philosophy

So the credit is neither to the one who planted nor the one who watered but to God who gives the growth. (Paraphrase of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 3) Which growth is this and who gives it? Man? Or God? You'll have to bend so many scriptural texts to propagate some views.

Great video Leighton!!! AMEN!

Thank you for posting this clip of Dr. White refuting Leighton Flowers. It is so helpful in sorting the verbal barrage coming from Soteriology 101!

I guess I’m predestined to hell, unless God will finally reveals HIMSELF to me. I’m sitting at the bus stop

Min 1:30 "According to Leighton we have the ability to respond to the Gospel....." Correct 👍 but do you see how JW needs to add "and free ourselves" That extra add on to Leighton statement is how JW creates a strawman which he preceded to knock down. Leighton himself would knock down that idea of salvation that JW presented as well. Be blessed all 🙌 Hope you all see what JW did 👍

Just finished your debate with him from 2015, the guy just makes me physically sick. But your parts as usually serves as the best tranquilizer for my disturbed brain )))

Basically, Leighton doesn’t have a deep understanding of the doctrine of God. God is Limitless, Simple, Wise, Omniscient, infinitely bigger than what ever we can imagine, etc. Leighton, makes God subject to the creature instead of the creature subject to the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent God.

Serious question- would Paul consider Flowers a gospel preacher? I believe the answer to that question is no, given that Flowers denies the clear text of Scripture and Christ’s own words. How can you be a “believer” if you don’t believe what Christ taught? What is that you believe then? History? The historicity of Christ is not the gospel, so how can someone who doesn’t believe what Christ says and what His apostles taught be nevertheless considered a “brother”? Is Flowers one to whom the apostles would have extended the right hand of fellowship? Someone who denied what their lord and master explicitly taught? Romans says the gospel is the power of God for salvation because God’s righteousness is revealed in it. Whatever Flowers believes makes God out to be unjust and a thief (asking for double payment of sins since Christ allegedly died for everyone but many will nevertheless still perish, a monstrosity of a doctrine). Why does White call Flowers a brother? Is it because White thinks the gospel is that Jesus is the Son of the God? Or the HISTORICAL FACTS that He died and rose again DIVORCED from any understanding about what those things mean? Insane that White considers this man a brother. It means that, in the end, White’s arguments are meaningless, since God has, in White’s view, granted Flowers the same faith as that of the apostles. Shameful. Absolutely shameful to call that denier of God’s justice and righteousness a brother.

Why do people like Leighton teach?

Figures he'd take the shortest of the videos Dr. Flowers has made to interact with.

You are being unfair in what Dr Leighton has said. We have the ability to respond but he never said we can free ourselves. By misrepresenting him you become dishonest in your presentation.

do you ever get tired of arguing with Dr. Flowers?

This video is a great illustration that calvinists do not live and think consistently with their beliefs. If James were consistent, he would acknowledge that Leighton has no choice in how he interprets predestination. He was merely moved by God to do what he does, so how is he to blame? Obviously, he's not. But like all calvinists, James lives his life entirely like he, and everyone else, has free will. He just denies it in word. I'm willing to bet he even gets upset at injustice and angry at criminals, as if they had a say in the matter as to what they would do. I can't blame him, though. To live truly consistently as a calvinist would make you lose your sanity.

"God has decided the destination of those who are in Christ by faith." That's what he said with Ephesians 1:4 on the screen.

protestants do exactly the same thing with catholics - they feign not to understand what does it mean that men must freely welcome God's grace by obeying his will in order to be saved, and accuse catholics of pretending that they can save themselves.... that means that Calvinism was directly motivated and inspired by the protestant doctrrine of sola fide, as a more radical interpretation of its exclusion of obedience to God from what is necessary for salvation....

JOHN 3 stated clearly WITHOUT BEEN BORN AGAIN = WE CANNOT SEE NOR ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD Arminians could understand The Bible yet they CANNOT BELIEVE as the reformers / regenerated for THE SPIRIT OF GOD is missing in them📴

I've heard that explanation of "class election" rather than personal election before. The analogy has been used of a boat that God will save, but we must get on board. If that were the case then no one would end up on the boat. In their natural state, none seek after God. Romans 3:10-12.

Not here to attack anyones belief. I'm not a calvinist (I have infact no denomination) but am interested in all Christianity. Can someone help me understand it a bit more? If salvation is only through election did God create people for hell? Damned without a choice? God bless

How absurd and embarrassing. Leighton never said we have the ABILITY to free ourselves. Anyone who listens to him for 5 minutes know this isn’t the case.

Choose this day whom you will serve. Joshua 24:15

So predestination means God has prepared a place for us like in John ch 14 and He KNOWS WHERE IT IS?! Praise the lord that He hasn't forgotten where the construction site is located! 😂

Romans 8:29

Why do you call Leighton a brother??

Where does it say believing and faith is given to the elect irresistibly? Paul spent the entire day trying to PERSUADE the people. Few believed and others weren't convinced. He chose us who are in him to be what??

Oh how I hope a Calvinist comes by and is able to answer my questions without getting angry and upset! On what basis did God choose to reprobate some people to eternal punishment?

I sure hope I’m actually elect, I mean, I think I am… I have faith in Christ for the forgiveness of my sins… but I guess God will be glorified when I die even if it turns out I wasn’t elect after all. He will be glorified if I end up in hell, but I hope my faith isn’t in vain so I can be with Him for eternity!

"For Leighton, we have the ability to respond to the message and FREE OURSELVES. Jesus said - the Son has to set you free" Watching back and forth, i see this happening from both sides. Just as Leighton Flowers sometimes misrepresents the other side, so does Dr. White. I know for a fact this is not what Leighton believes. We have the ability to acknowledge that we are not free, but we cannot free ourselves.

Every time I hear JW debate or speak on this, he never really addresses the issue, usually he either attacks the debater or a straw man. Right off the bat @1:30 he claims that the other brother said we have the ability to free ourselves. No where does Soteriology101 say or teach that. We can respond, but both of these men know it is Christ who sets us free. Leighton never said nor does he believe that fallen man can free themselves, JW knows this and yet he's just going to throw that out there like that?

God desires all to be saved. whosoever comes can be saved. believing that you are saved based on God giving you the faith and then giving you the belief is not coming to Christ.

1:40 that's just simply not logical. One can be in a prison and ask the jailer to set u free if he sets you free it wasn't you who freed yourself it was the jailer. This is simply and illogical conclusion that asking to be freed equals being freed. Even worse its the jailer Himslef going up to you and saying, Listen I just payed your debt to society because I love you and wish to no longer see you here and im ready to set you free all you have to do is recognize you did do what you did and trust me and ill let you go. Now you might go on to say well theres other thing going on with depravity and what not but the point still remains the same.

Leighton Flowers's starting point: "Human beings are responsible beings, they can either accept the message of the Gospel/truth and be set free or suppress the truth and therefore be hardened, cut off from the light of God's word"- It is the state of NEUTRALITY, human beings are not pro-God nor anti-God!

Predestined = post-ratification ?

The problem with DR whites argument, in Ephesian's is that Paul was writing to the faithful in Christ. therefore predestined in this case naturally follows belief. saying the Leighton "turns it on it's head " is Misleading.

Leighton is a fool, keep trusting in man that will get u there

God has sovereignly predetermined that I would be a Calvinist or not right? So then why even discuss it like your going to change a brothers mind? Any Calvinist care to discuss?

The entire concept and meaning of predestination is unnecessary and redundant if God invites everyone to dinner and leaves the door open and then sees who shows up. What would the purpose of predestination be in that case at all?

Please pray that I will find faith. Jesus never elected me. So if I go to hell who is at fault? I’m so confused. I might even be dumb.

6:25 I thought he was going to add Judas to the list.

Why doesn't Leighton just give up beating his synergistic drum already. He's been debunked over and over again.

However, Dr. White i like the majority of your teachings, except calvinism, but you do give awesome biblical nuggets!

It is good to establish where you stand on such matters.. but not the most important thing.. if we spend to long arguing the point of being right.. over evangelising to the lost.. we are on the wrong track with how we are spending our valuable TIME

This is not what Leighton is saying. "He predestined adoption as the result of those who freely believed in Him". This fits the whole passage perfectly. Not trying to invent new words when the word for foreknew is simply "Known before". "Those who God previously knew, your forefathers who loved Him (1 Corinthians 8:3), God predestined to be conformed to the image of Christ, so that Jesus would be the firstborn among many brothers (i.e. your forefathers who's adoption is completed as they are dead), He called them (to bring about the Gospel promise), he justified them (pasted tense as they are dead), and He glorified them (past tense as their glorification has happened while the reader's glorification has not).

One of the last things you'll ever say is Lord Lord?! James.

Pious confusion, these calvanist gave up a long time ago actually desiring truth. Sad, so heartbreaking. I guess God's Word has absolutely no bearing on these men, pious confusion is the WORST confusion you can have.. Genesis 4:6-8 NIV Then the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why is your face downcast? [7] If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must rule over it. ” Calvanists, you are soooo right, the rule of first mention in the Word of God has absolutely no bearing on a philosophical ideal, it's not like our Father told us we must rule over the sin and temptations in our lives to the first humans after the fall. It's hard for me to actually believe that someone studying God's Word in good faith can come up with the calvanistic views. Romans 8: 28 & 29 is not even talking about us at that time or us in the future, Paul earlier in ch 8 says that he is the first fruits of the Spirit, he talks about the present jews, and then he says, those he " foreknowledge he ALSO predestined " foreknowledge means thise in the old testament, how do I know that this means those God new in the old testament, go to Romans 11:2 , same Greek word foreknowledge, directly speaking of the old testament saints. Calvanists are so arrogant that everything is about them. This White fella is as blind as a bat to the message of the gospel. Paul does the same thing in Ephesians 1, he speaks that Paul and the apostles were the first fruits, and then down in Ephesians 1:13, he tells the Ephesians how the became to be " in Christ " when they heard the Gospel and they believed. These men DO NOT care about truth, only their degrees, which in White's doctorate is from an on line unaccredited school, and there own philosophical views. Paul is constantly explaining to the Jewish, that what you tried to achieve through works you could NOT achieve, it was only through grace through FAITH, are we saved not through some unconditional election. He is telling the that God didn't just change His mind because the original plan of the old testament failed, but that before the foundation of this world that THIS was ALWAYS THE plan, that God PREDESTINED all of this beforehand that everyone, including thise he FOERKNEW in the old testament, that the destination was pre-planned to be redeemed by Christ through faith. It is soooo simple if you don't muddy the water with all this Augustinian, gnostic garbage.

13:31 This is where Leighton makes a strange conclusion: he's saying our adoption as sons is predestined after we choose to be in Him, after we choose to be saved. The implications of Leighton's interpretation means we choose God first, then He chooses us. Leighton's claim also means that God could be surprised by who chooses to be in Him, but once we choose to be in Him, He chooses us to be adopted, even though we already chose to be adopted. Leighton's reasoning is faulty, and places a strange, hidden meaning on the phrase "in Him" in Ephesians 1. Leighton's interpretation runs against the plain meaning of the text, and causes contradictions with the other passages on predestination.

Flowers is correct. Sorry, Mr. White. I went to listen to many, many of Mr. Flower’s videos and he is right on target and still respectful. You try to talk around the simplicity of the gospel. Praying for you. ✝️

your interpretation starts with you. Listening to james remind me of that closedminded way of thinking of my former faith.

Whosoever I guess doesn’t exist in the Bible

Brother Leighton? He's a damned heretic

The error White makes is thinking that justification comes before faith.

Jesuit

When the devil speaks James mouth is moving!

The word respond or responsible is never used in conjunction with man and sin in the Bible.

"Only 6 verses to look at!" So that is what Calvinism ignores the rest of the Scriptures for to distort those verses...

He defined predestination. He just elaborated on it. A destination that was decided beforehand . He gave the definition, you just didn’t like it because Calvinism wasn’t inserted into it.

Calvinism doesn’t make sense to me. Why would a loving God create someone specifically with the purpose of doing evil and then send them into an eternal punishment for doing what he created them to do?

James White is too scared to debate Johnny Robertson. James knows he would get humiliated in front of the entire world with his man made doctrine.

Those God foreknew, ( be cause he is all knowing God who knows the past, future and the present), he predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. Paul did not write. Those he hand picked, he predestined to be conformed to the image of the son. He did not write Those he hand picked, he predestined to be saved or to be born again . Forknew does not = hand picked Foreknew does not = hand picked for no reason Foreknew does not = Chosen to be born again Foreknew doe not = Pre generated to have faith in him Foreknew does NOT = Made them against their will to

Gosh, Leighton is embarrassing at his best!

Well said Dr Flowers who upholds the laws of logic, scripture, and the view the church has always held

I agree with Leighton Flowers, it makes more sense then the Calvin definition!

The problem with all Calvinists is that they are reading their understanding of predestination back into the text. Predestination is not about God predestining a select few unbelievers to salvation - this is a perversion. Predestination is what God has in store for all those who believe. The predestination is what believers are predestined for: eternal life as describe at the end of 1 Cor 15. Predestination is what God is promising for those WHO ARE in Christ - it's meant to give us assurance.

You cannot understand predestination in the Greek unless you’re born again! We are not in control God is and he chooses everything for his own pleasure according to his own will not ours!

AOMIN: "Leighton Flowers' definition of predestination is highly problematic." Also AOMIN: "God unchangeably decided in eternity past, before all of creation, who will believe in Jesus and who will not, but still punishes people for not believing in Jesus."

false. we can ask Jesus, not free ourselves.

All these guys do is spend time attacking people who do not agree with them. Calvinism is definitely fatalism. They have no humility and a vindictive spirit. They are more concerned that someone being a Calvinist than that the person being a Christian. And YES, you can certainly be a Christian without being a Calvinist.

I am convinced that James White has no idea what Leighton Flowers actually believes, because He cannot allow himself to consider that fact that he could be wrong. He’s so worried about the golden chain of redemption being broken. I’m not worried about it...it’s man-made.

Leighton doesn't Understand. He stands regularly.