Using 2-Ply Tom Reso Heads for Depth and Punch

Using 2-Ply Tom Reso Heads for Depth and Punch | Season 2 - Episode 10

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There’s a lot of conversation out there about the concept of using two-ply resonant heads on your toms, yet not a lot of thorough demonstration. As we’ve received more than a few requests to cover this topic recently, we decided to dive right in!
Toms: Pearl Masters Custom Extra Maple 8x12” & 16x16”
Batter Head: Evans G2 Coated tinyurl.com/EvansG2Coated
Reso Head for tune up: Evans G2 Clear tinyurl.com/EvansG2Clear
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Hosted by: Cody Rahn
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@MrShaggrock 5 жыл бұрын

I have always been a two ply batter head guy, but I mostly play without close mics and you just made me question my tom batter choice. I often hit the toms uncomfortably hard just to make them cut. I will definitely try some single ply heads and see how they feel. This is such practical, down to earth drumming wisdom. I keep learning from your channel every week.

@davidfaria6194 Жыл бұрын

This video is about to play heads on the bottom and top not Single Ply on top

@terryweiss6069 5 жыл бұрын

hi cody.have played drums 49 years now.great exspearament!i tryed 2 ply resos 1 time decades ago.found they only worked in very resonant live rooms and unmiked.controled sound.for me useing a single ply reso i can make the drum sustain longer or shorter by tensioning the bottom up or down.thats the way i was taught.2 ply resos can sound great but mostly need to be miked to carry out to the crowd.even unmiked a single ply will carry more than a 2 ply reso.great job cody!all the best to you drum brother!

@lamarjohnson1981 5 жыл бұрын

This is quality content. Thanks for the data you’re putting out there.

@unhtread 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this video! It's literally perfect timing. I was up til 2 a.m. trying to tune my 16x16 floor tom. I just so happened to have a Remo Emperor Clear on the reso and a Vintage Emperor on the batter. The batter side has a lot of attack with an extreme amount of low end. But I'm definitely convinced to try a single ply reso as well... just to experiment.

@TonyVazquez8265 4 жыл бұрын

THIS is my all-time favorite drum trend, Two-ply Resos! As to which brand heads I use, I go with either the Remo clear pinstripes or the Evans 360 Hydraulics (their clear Red heads are my favorite). When tuned properly, the resulting sounds I get from this makes me goon through the roof I wish I could lock myself in a studio and record my kit all day and night! Your channel is Godhead! Thank you so much!!! :-D

@jameskolb6755 5 жыл бұрын

Great episode guy's. I have been running 2 plys on my floor tom reso's for years specifically G2's. Keep up the good work

@offbeatdrumcompany2568 5 жыл бұрын

Every time I listen to your videos they sound great. Very rarely do these comparison series result in a sound that I don't like or couldn't imagine a use for. A well tuned drum is just so versatile!

@123LarsUlrich 5 жыл бұрын

Possible the point of the video

@Customwinder1 5 жыл бұрын

Liking the sounds you're getting from the 2 ply resos. Another good thing to try out. Thanks guys.

@Rockin_Ross 4 жыл бұрын

Great stuff here. I was always curious as to if/when a reso head change was necessary. Now this gives me something more to think about when I do.

@korolev-musictodriveby6583 5 жыл бұрын

Really good useful pragmatic advice , nice work and thanks SLAD 👍🙂

@secondsbeforelanding 5 жыл бұрын

Another well done video. Cant wait to see what you have planned for next week.

@michaeleagle2 5 жыл бұрын

black Emperor suede's batter / black ebony Reso's added amazing depth and warmth to the Mapex Amory Fast toms - Love it. My toms sound like your first setup... Friggen awesome sound!!! I basically did the same thing you did, then tuned down the batters to bring the tone back to something a bit darker... Good stuff man.. 2 Ply for life!!

@danieloneill5648 3 жыл бұрын

I use double ply on bottom and it “cleans up” the toms a bit, it’s like having a bit of muffling without the muffling,love it😁

@therager4401 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome that's what I'm after. Gonna try it tonight!

@WildySouza 4 ай бұрын

Wow! Let's try this!!

@Customwinder1 4 жыл бұрын

I have smoke Emperors Batter and Reso on my Toms. Massive improvement in sound quality over the single ply stock heads. Fat punchy sounds. Thanks Cody.

@el_tomato 5 жыл бұрын

Incredible how you guys are improving the quality! Thank you for the really good work!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! We appreciate it. -Ben

@Videditor1067 5 жыл бұрын

I have had success using an Evans EC batter head as a reso on my 16" floor tom. Helps control the overtones. Especially in the live, close mic setup.

@cutitshaveit 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir .always a pleasure listening to someone like yourself that really knows and goes to precise explanations on how things work. Thanknyou. I tried this 2 ply remo color heads on a dw acrylic .they sound amazing very powerful. But yes the projection is loss. Like you said the throw out there. But they sound great

@trashteeth 3 жыл бұрын

transitioning from live situations to recording, i've found this incredibly helpful - gives me a lot of control in the studio and has cut my mixing/metering/processing time nearly in half.

@gdonaldson6711 3 жыл бұрын

Cool to see it being done on purpose. I've had 2-ply heads on the bottom of toms for years to save money ha. My 13" rack has had old snare heads on reso and batter cos I'm too tight to buy new heads for it. Currently has a used Evans Onyx on top and bottom - sounds huge! Even after the heads been used on my snare for a couple of months each.

@dwightlewis3876 4 жыл бұрын

Yes I've been using 2ply on floor toms reso side for years.... bigger sound Carries as well

@aushturm 4 жыл бұрын

I tried that some month ago, with ages old pinstripe batters and old G2 as resos (10'', 12'', 14''). I must say, I brought my pearl forum never as punchy and deep as with this. Sounded absolutely fantastic! I also used an old snare head as batter on the floortom for a while, which makes the drum realy dry and deep, which often time is exactly what you want, especially live.

@that-avr-drummer 5 жыл бұрын

My preferred combo, and the one that I get the most compliments from sound engineers and fellow drummers by the way, is either coated emperor batter with coated emperor resonate, or Evans equivalent G2 coated batter and G2 coated resonate....doesn't matter the brand, same compliments

@ShawnxEdge 4 жыл бұрын

mgdrummer78 it’s a good combo of you have hate rings, moon gel and gaf tape on your heads like do for the same effect.

@caseyfenton90 3 жыл бұрын

Coated 2 ply on top and bottom? Can you get any tone?

@that-avr-drummer 3 жыл бұрын

@@caseyfenton90 I don't use that combo anymore, but yes plenty of tone, just alleviated any need for moon gels or cotton balls and what not

@pass-my-test 3 жыл бұрын

That's the way I'm thinking of going.

@that-avr-drummer 3 жыл бұрын

@@pass-my-test currently on my Ludwig Classic Maples I'm using coated vintage emperors on top and clear ambassadors on bottom. I never need any dampening with this combo!

@axemanbob787 5 жыл бұрын

I love my Evans (black) double ply skins on all my toms, 10 inch and up. I only have to use a gel on the 10 inch. My 12” mounted Tom, and the 14” &16” floor toms don’t need any muffling. They’re the lowest maintenance heads I’ve ever used (40+years). Great video, you demonstrate and explain these things clearly, and I appreciate that.

@Rangoslap8 4 жыл бұрын

Agree. Love Evans hydraulics.

@Rangoslap8 4 жыл бұрын

Evan's 2ply and hydraulics

@jeffsmith2000 4 жыл бұрын

Used this pairing in the studio on the weekend and it definitely brings the thunder under the mics. Band was live off the floor, drums were isolated in a booth. If you need a big tom sound under mics in a loud band this is your jam right here. The floor tom sound is incredible, going back to a single ply on the rack to compare, might just be a situational change for different sounds.

@DrRusty5 Жыл бұрын

I've been wondering about this recently, so this is brilliant.

@remygaron8311 4 жыл бұрын

I used them on 14-16-18-20 inch floor toms love it🥁🥁🥁👏👏👏👏🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

@MrMateogaguilar 5 жыл бұрын

Great episode! Can't wait to try this. I've used black dots as reso for my toms, and though they're not a regular 2 ply, I use them with this type of sound in mind, and they do the trick quite nicely. Articulate, with a ton of low end and still manageable with close mics. Funny enough, I got the idea from Charlie Watts, and the first fill you did on the video is almost a Watts trade mark (¨Love is Strong¨, for example)

@sharkzf6 5 жыл бұрын

I love the 2-ply for my practice kit in close quarters! Thanks! 😎

@patricprosak8350 5 жыл бұрын

I use Evans 56' halftone heads on top and Remo ambassador coated on bottom on my 12 top , 14 flr, 14 flr , on my Bearing edge custom drums which are 3ply maple , it's a total game changer for me , glad i switched to 2 ply on Bottom , Thanks for sharing info .. great video ... helped me find redefined my sound ...

@neilmccredie1919 5 ай бұрын

Remo ambassador is 1 ply and emperor is 2 ply but the ambassador is a great head anywhere on the kit👍🏽

@edbarguiarena8916 5 жыл бұрын

You guys are doing some great stuff!! This drum head/tuning topic is something that drummers are ALWAYS thinking about and testing. I have vintage drums-1962 Ludwig Downbeat, mahogany shells-that are shorter than what you have here. I've been searching for a sound that is low and fairly short without doing too much extra dampening. Here's what I found that works for my drums. HEADS: Batter - 2 ply coated heads (7.5 mil, 3mil), Reso - 1 ply coated (10mil). TUNING: low tension but with enough rebound to be playable. BATTER TO RESO HEAD RELATIONSHIP: Rack Toms, reso head approx. 1/2 step below the batter head. Floor Toms, reso head approx 1-step above the batter head. Basically, I'm trying to avoid the classic "dip tone" you get when the reso head is tuned 1 1/2 steps higher than the batter. I want a fairly straight tone. I'm guessing that the depth of the drums (rack vs. floors) is why the batter to reso head relationship is different. My drums are resonant but because the are tuned low, and both sides have coated heads, the overtones are lower and the decay gets absorbed by other sounds and instruments. Give it a try.

@DirtyJobsGuy1 5 жыл бұрын

I’ve never used 2 ply on the reso side, but I’m going to consider it in the future.

@Dg-wd8ci 2 жыл бұрын

awsome channel learned more in 2 days about drums than any time I have spent reading

@bigkickleo 5 жыл бұрын

Great episode! I especially enjoy when you discover something you enjoy, even if your hunch was that you might not! 😉 I was first introduced to a kit with this configuration (single ply coated batters and 2 ply clear resos on toms/ Floor toms) on a kit provided by a band leader on a variety band gig where we played everything from Glen Miller to George Michael to Guns and Roses!! What I discovered was I could still get them in the med/ med low range I was used to, but at lower dynamics they were still sensitive and articulate whereas with the heads reversed (what I'm used to), the lower dynamics aren't as "true" sounding, and either are just weak, or produce strange harmonics and ill defined stick articulation (even with coated 2ply) compared to this combination. Keep 'em comin'!! 👊🏼🦁

@drumphil1879 3 жыл бұрын

I use G2 clears on the bottom along with UV2's on a set of drums with a rounded bearing edge. Works amazing in the studio..Theres absolutely no muffling needed under a mic. I also have the same set of Pearls Master customs in the videos...those are a standard 45 degree bearing edge drums. I use G1 coated reso head G2 coated batters in a studio setting if not G2 coated on reso. I have a hard time with the Pearls. I wish they had fine threaded lug screw option along with a double 45 bearing edge so the head would sit flatter and not so much in the radius of the drumhead. These videos are fantastic. Thanks so much for these.

@davidwinthrop7077 5 жыл бұрын

Back in the mid-1980’s I was using a 6-piece Yamaha 9000 RC in the then new cherrywood finish (wish I still had it now) and used red-coloured Evans hydraulic batters and again red Evans rock 2-plys (no oil) as resonant heads on the 10, 12, 14 and 16” hanging toms. Closely miked it sounded fantastic, very deep and punchy, a warm resonance and each drum had a great response. You could play 32nd note fills and each beat would come through with clarity and definition.

@serarli 4 жыл бұрын

Nm0 .

@SKragseth 5 жыл бұрын

I've been using EVANS EC Reso for a month now and I love the deep sound. Clear or cloated G2's on top...both sound great

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Very nice! What was it that captured your interest with trying out the EC Resos?

@SKragseth 5 жыл бұрын

I heard of them from Mike Michalkow. They gave my drums a deeper sounding resonance. I like my toms tuned kinda low. I’m happy with them!

@ThomasEwertsen Жыл бұрын

Ihave Remo pinstripe clear heads on both sides of my toms, and Ithink the drums sound great: a lot of ressonance since the heads resonate (sic) and a clear, clean tone. I love the sound!! 👌🏻👌🏻😊

@MikeLuke 5 жыл бұрын

I think Benny Greb uses a 2-ply coated on the reso head on his Sonor SQ2 to achieve that warm and fat sound. Great video, great channel! Subscribed. 😎 Edit: Just saw your video about coated reso heads in which you exactly mentioned that ;)

@Chiroman527 3 жыл бұрын

Cory, typical great Video. I'm only a 69 YO, Recreational Drummer (if you can call it That !!), who plays drums to My Music for retirement fun. I really like the way you present the various ways to tune this Instrument. I started playing in 1966, with HS buddies, all Learning their instruments in a Garage Band for 3 years. Then in 1969, we went separate ways, and I abandoned playing UNTIL 2019. 50 Years later, my wife of 45 years overheard me mentioning that I may go to a local Music Studio to beat on the Drums for reminiscing Fun. She gifted me a Cheapo Kit _ Gammon - for Xmas 2018. I gave that Kit to my 4 year old Grandson a few months ago, and purchased a PDP Concept Maple 6 piece Kit - USED 3 months ago. I changed the Batter heads to Evans G2s , using the single ply Reso heads (the stock heads which are PDP made by Remo). Now seeing this, I am going to try 2 Play Clear Reso Heads ... Would the G2s Clear serve that purpose? THX for the Info.

@richardhingle3634 Жыл бұрын

Yes G2's or Evan's EC resos should do you well. I have an 8 PC PDP totally customized with S hoops and all Evan's heads and they sound just as good as any other competitor brand.

@Chiroman527 Жыл бұрын

@@richardhingle3634 Hey Richard, although I posted this a Year ago (My God, a year ago), I haven't tried this Reso head on my kit yet. Now, I'm using EC2s Batter heads on my 3 Rack Toms (8,10 & 12), and G2s coated on my 2 Floor Toms (14 & 16 inch). I am using Evans E-Rings on all but the 8" Tom. Drum Tuning is an acquired ART. In addition for the Maple Snare 14 X 5.5 with the PdP Concept Maple kit, I installed a HD dry batter head - cranked up high. I also have a DW Series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare also purchased USED. When that was delivered via Reverb form a previous owner - it came with a HD Dry head. It played very well out of the delivery box! It too ws Cranked up. But here's a "weird" thing. After I replaced the HD dry Head on the DW a few weeks ago, I could not attain that same sound. Last week, after tryin g to tweak that snare, I placed it atop of my 16" Floor Tom to get it out of the way. I played the Pdp Maple snare for this particular session (I play about 1 hour a day to My Music for Recreation in Retirement). During a Fill, I hit the DW snare - BINGO - That was Ludwig Supraphonic sound , the John Bonham sound I was looking to get! Take the Dwff the Tom and it was totally different! Same with the Pdp snare - it improved the sound. Forum Posters told me that I was actually Playing 2 Drums in this manner! Another poster jokingly said that I may have Invented a New Style Snare Stand!! I just ordered a UV 2 Batter head which I will try today (I hope). A UV 1 was returned - I didn't like it on the Maple Snare at all. The sound that Cody and many others have from their Snares have been elusive to me thus far. What I realized recently, watching some drum Tuning videos on another channel, was the vast effects of EQing and Miking of drums have on the sound you hear !! PS...after tweaking and re-installing the HD dry head , the reso head and the wires on the Maple Snare, I did achieve a better sound , BUT now I get lots of Snare Buzz :):)

@Mark-dr5xi Жыл бұрын

Sounds almost like my story and life-recreational fun for me.

@jacopovigano1356 4 жыл бұрын

Always used 2 ply as reso head. I actually have ec2s on top and bottom of every tom and they sound beautiful! (thanks to 66samus)

@cor3ylee 3 жыл бұрын

Is there a video of this setup?

@adamwasthefirstman 5 жыл бұрын

Another awesome video!! I think I could use this setup in a rock situation with a really heavy hitter.

@kchez5586 3 жыл бұрын

I've been using hydraulics as resos since the 90's. More recently with Clear EC2s batters. Works really well with deep shells.

@robertlucas9867 4 жыл бұрын

Years ago I heard a kit with Evans EC2 on both sides and it punched and was low, controlled and loud. But it was in Guitar Center (closed environment) so I wasn’t able to hear it in a live situation with a band. I definitely was impressed still.

@geeza1200 5 жыл бұрын

I replaced my batter heads with Pins when I first got the kit and left the stock resos on. I then replaced all heads on the kit with G2s with an EMAD on bass and an ST on snare and I used the old Pins as resos for my Tom's and managed to tune the kit beautifully.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Wow, used Pinstripes will definitely have an interesting characteristic. Always fun to experiment with stuff like that! Would love to hear your thoughts on what a fresh set of Pinstripes sound like on the reso side by comparison. -Ben

@geeza1200 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundsLikeADrum they were used but only very minimal use so there were no dents or pitting. Im saving to replace all resos as I have a coated Ambassador on my bass reso with an EMAD batter so I need some Evans resos. Any head recommendations for punchy Tom's and kick?

@Xtremecarfan10188 4 жыл бұрын

This, I bought the wrongs heads for my kit. Never buying Pinstripes as Batters again. The drumset I bought(Pearl MLX from the 80s) came with Pinstripes on them from the factory. I am technically using Pinstripe over Pinstripe. Sounds like John Bonhams drumset 😂. Definitely not the sound I was going for lol. Floor tom sounds like Thunder. My sizes are 13, 14, 18 for the toms.

@JohnD72277 4 жыл бұрын

I have a 1969 Ludwig kit and the 16" can be a little tricky at times. I'll try out a coated 2 ply, thanks to this. Debating between that and a coated black dot, as I'm a fan of CS heads as reso. thanks for yet another great video!

@joerico9461 4 жыл бұрын

Excellent video thanks for your time

@samw.2479 3 жыл бұрын

I do G2's on the tom batters and G12's for my reso's... Love em!

@WMTrackdog 2 жыл бұрын

As a rule of thumb not a two-ply reso kinda guy. Simply because of projection. After hearing your fine work I like the depth and warmth of a two ply reso head. Of corse the caveat is; all depends on the playing situation and if you have sound reinforcement to back it up for the gig your doing. You can't be setup for every scenario even if you are touring concert stadiums with good techs.and a series of head combos. You can create a defined sound that will work for most venues. Keep up the good work. Really like what you guys are doing.

@fabiocacchioli9074 5 жыл бұрын

I've used two ply heads top and bottom before and I have to say, i think they sounded great on my kit. I had no problem with projection either. If people are not sure just try it. I loved it. 🤘🏻

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

It's definitely worth the experiment, especially if you're already playing two-ply batter heads, as you can always decide that it's not working out on the reso side and you can put them aside as a backup set for your batters. Cheers! -Ben

@thundermolloy 4 жыл бұрын

I have done this with evans hydraulic clears on top and bottom. If you tune them up a bit you get a really intereating sound, kinda a gated reverb fusion sound. Tune the batter down and you can get a very unique tone heavy but very short sound. Try it, it works great close miked

@halseyballistic 4 жыл бұрын

Indeed, I used the Black Hydraulics on the reso side for over 20 years in my metal bands. Always sounds tight and killer!

@IAmInfinitus208 2 жыл бұрын

Sounds almost identical to Neil Peart's method during the late 70's to the early 90's, except the top wasn't really a Hydraulic but rather an early 2-ply that's no longer in production called Looking Glass heads/Heavy Duty Rock which is pretty much the basis for G2's except the rings were sort of resin-like flesh to them and drumhead productions weren't technically that precise yet until recently with better technologies.

@pearldrummer7217 4 жыл бұрын

Been doing it for years on Session Customs. Glad to finally see a video on it.

@huethermusic 5 жыл бұрын

Great Video as always ..... I use Single ply on reso , i also try calftone / fiberskyn for short and less projektion .... most of the the time normal clear single ply ....

@nevingrid2906 5 жыл бұрын

I use pinstripes top and bottom. I got the idea from Chad Wakerman. He used this set up when touring with Frank Zappa in the early 80s. Like me he had deep toms and this set up enables control of overtones. If you take your time you can tune them so they don't sound 'dead'.

@friedpickles342 3 жыл бұрын

Stripes are pretty inexpensive too.

@PaulMarangoni 2 жыл бұрын

Chad was actually using Coated Ambassador batters over Clear Pinstripes back then. However, Steve Smith used Clear Pinstripes top and bottom for a while with Vital Information.

@lanceforston6777 4 жыл бұрын

2 plys work really well on Yamaha Oak Customs. If the drums are naturally loud like the oaks or a Mapex Saturn kit it's actually really nice setup.

@georgebenson3826 4 жыл бұрын

Man this whole channel is what any drummer need Kinda shit they dont teach in your high school band

@soundknight 4 жыл бұрын

Lovely drum finish

@coffeejolts 5 жыл бұрын

After seeing this, I think I'll stay with single ply coated batters and resos, but I'm glad to know what sounds a 2 ply reso can give me.

@altebo 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for sharing, very insightful!

@EdenPorterMusic 5 жыл бұрын

Just since you were curious about thicker single-ply heads, I tried a graduated set on my stave kit when I originally got it - G1/reso glass on 10", G12/reso glass on 12", and G14/G12 on 15". I recall the lower two working pretty ok but the gradation was a bit too severe to really work. Probably in a 5-tom scenario it would make sense. But, the G12 reso/G14 batter was super meaty if you're hitting hard. I think the two-ply heads might be a better solution for hard hitters though, since they're probably going to muffle the toms anyways.

@christopherpeli42 Жыл бұрын

Going to sound insane, but I am using Evans G2 tops at very low tuning and their Hydraulics for resos (which are 2-ply obviously). I beat the absolute crap out of the kit when I play, so I'm not too worried about projection or subtlety, but I like that they need no dampening and I don't need tone-rings to kill the excess energy creating ringing, which let's the batters me keep really loose and not kill the top head sound. It keeps the tom sound close to the tom as well, so they are not as much in overheads or other mics and only getting picked up with the clip mics. I searched around looking for anyone who has done this and didn't see anything, which leads me to believe this is stupid, but I like the results. I'm just putting it here because it was this video and the close-mic'ing for low end that gave me the idea.

@jerrygamez5723 9 ай бұрын

Thank you so much for the video.

@scottlowell493 5 жыл бұрын

IIRC: in the 80's there were drummers using 2 ply, and especially Evans hydraulics and remo pinstripes (standard on Slingerland magnum drums) as tom resos.

@hernandocrivellari8939 4 жыл бұрын

I did not know that, but i using emad 2 batter and remo pinstripe reso in my 18"x 18" floor tom ( sorry for mi english)

@tvs5862 2 жыл бұрын

The early acro with med-high tune! Bang a little muffle on it and that is my go to snare combo!!!!

@IT535 8 ай бұрын

I run Remo p4 coated top head and Evans g2 reso clear . Dw Kellar shells . Love it.

@explodingrabbit25 5 жыл бұрын

Let's hear about EC Reso's next, please.

@HHGdrums 5 жыл бұрын

Love this content!

@artcorvolet 5 жыл бұрын

Just picked up a gretsch new classic with EC reso's...so far pretty amazing!

@toomdog 5 жыл бұрын

This goes against everything I ever learned, but it sounds like it works. I don't see any use for it with what I do now, but who knows what the future may hold.

@andwhatshouldbe 5 жыл бұрын

I have Aquarian Super 2's on the bottom of my toms (with Emperors on top) and it helps get that juicy throaty deep end sound that I like. They're tuned within a quarter turn of just over wrinkle. I have a 10 12 14 kit in jazz sizes and they sound like power toms! Thanks for this video!

@steviemac2377 5 жыл бұрын

Probably helps that the Super 2's are a tad thinner than normal 2 plys I'd imagine

@dud3man6969 4 жыл бұрын

I just got a set of Starclassic Walnut Birch. They came with G2 clear batters and Rama resos. I got some EC2S frosted for the batters and I’m going to move the G2s to the reso side.

@christskingdom8950 Жыл бұрын

So I have been playing drums for 36 years and behind a shield for over 20. I currently have large Gretsch toms (13” / 16”). Due to the bounce off the shield, you are always fighting the slap back. In the last year, I have gone to 2 ply COaTED (5mil over 7mil) and 2 ply coated on top. GAME CHaNGER. Still even using sound rings to lower the tone and control decay but WOW I love me some two ply reso’s

@esojzuir001 5 жыл бұрын

I liked the first tuning more, loved the idea of the 2 ply reso. I use 2 plies coated top and 1 ply coated top, but now I'm curious if going 2 plies coated top and bottom will sound cool...

@Ms.GreenJeans 3 жыл бұрын

Yay!! I have the oil Evans 2 ply. Trying to not anger my neighbors too much 😁

@revup67 3 жыл бұрын

This is the way to go - G2s / or Emperors on top and bottom - I've used this combo since 1986 in the studio on a set of 1964 Ludwigs. Ambassadors or G1 on resos just don't cut it IMHO. Good thunderous sound with beautiful pitch and tone by having G2 or Emperor on the upper and lower heads. The needs for dampening are minimal. The tones are nice and even without the excessive ring.

@JasonElectron 5 жыл бұрын

I use Emperor coated 2ply for the batters, no resos (accept snare of course) - loving it.

@liamfitzdrums 2 жыл бұрын

I'm definitely going to try this with my bass drum. I use a Ludwig Breakbeat kit with a 16x14 bass drum. I can get good sounds but none that I've been completely satisfied with. Also Bill Bruford used G2's for batter & resonant on his bass drum for some time with King Crimson when he used a mix of acoustic and electric drums.

@icemandrummeth7420 Жыл бұрын

I’ve been using Evans hydraulics top and bottom for years, perfect sound, stays in tune, easy to tune, very durable.

@geoffreyjouas544 11 ай бұрын

Does the hydraulic head affect your tuning method for the resonant head?

@Shurmstick 3 жыл бұрын

If you use clear single ply rezo heads and clear 2ply batter heads you get a much warmer and open tone . The coated batter heads choke the drum a bit . with coated batter heads single play clear always work better. Great video by the way I really enjoy watching your video thank you

@TomBelknapRoc 5 жыл бұрын

My original kit came with silver dot heads on the resos! For years, sound guys would complain that they couldn't get a decent sound out of my toms, but nobody knew that was the reason. Then came the day I busted a reso and had to replace it with something else. BOOM! Drums jumps about double in volume. Keep them rezzies LIGHT!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

If you're not hitting relatively hard then it can be a challenge to move that added mass. However, in certain scenarios, in can be exactly what you need.Cheers! -Ben

@TomBelknapRoc 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundsLikeADrum That's what's funny: i was playing in a band that played 70's rock! At high volumes, they choke out the drum.

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

I'd be curious to hear your thoughts about some 2-ply reso heads. I've experimented with black dot & silver dot heads as resos and was never really a fan of how they behaved on the drums I tried them with but I definitely dig the 2-ply reso approach, especially for larger drums. -Ben

@TomBelknapRoc 5 жыл бұрын

@@SoundsLikeADrum These days, I'm playing a bit lighter (heh). But I use the classic Pinstripes as batter heads and Evans EC Resos on the bottoms. It's worth noting that these are big, old, obnoxious 90's drums: 12x12, 13x13 and 16x16, so resonance and overtones are always an issue. The ECs were a revelation, cutting just enough out of the high end to bring out the beefy in the rack toms while letting me tune slightly higher on the batter for more stick definition. I've considered putting the dot back on the floor tom because it's just too damned ringy and I don't want to use moon gels or other things that are going to prevent a "full" ringing of the drums. Honestly, that's one of many reasons why I subscribe to your channel: give me ideas before I start plunking down money.

@Dannys.channel 2 жыл бұрын

Ambassador on top and emporia coated on the bottom. Favourite setup also put a moon gel inside the floor toms on the bottom Tom lol

@chrislopez1391 2 жыл бұрын

my best sounding toms are some off brand shells with coated pinstripes on one side and clear pinstripes on the other. I switch between the two sides as batter/reso. the coated as batter and clear as reso is my go to though. very guttural, great for heavy rock.

@paulbolin7513 5 жыл бұрын

This technique is especially good for reigning in drums that are brighter and louder, like a Birch drum with sharp bearing edges.

@6393dude 2 жыл бұрын

I've personally always had more issues controlling maple rather than birch

@slaughtherheadmetaldrummer7634 3 жыл бұрын

very informative and enlightening

@brianchisnell1548 3 жыл бұрын

I change heads once in awhile to experiment but for non mic'd situations, I always end up amb. top, (coated or clear) and Amb. Clear bottoms. 3 ply Ludwigs. I do love Fiberskins Amb. Top and bottom on my old Slings 3ply. I'm not a heavy hitter though.

@johngiummarra8983 5 жыл бұрын

Awesome job guys, very nicely done! I realize you are sponsored by Evans but I'd love to see a session featuring cs blackdot heads on the top and bottom of the toms. Or the Evans equivalent? Keep up the excellent work, cheers!

@SoundsLikeADrum 5 жыл бұрын

Hey John! Thanks for the kind words. We're not actually sponsored by Evans, they just provide drumheads for our Tuesday tutorials. We hope to do some comparisons with other drumheads outside of the Evans lineup in the future. Cheers!

@ickysticky3672 5 жыл бұрын

What I use the most is 2 ply top, 1 ply bottom, both coated. Almost always Emperor tops and Ambassador bottoms. I believe Neil Peart used to use 2 ply clear tops and bottoms, most notably Evans hydraulics for reso heads way back in the day.

@robertcozart 5 жыл бұрын

He has always had a nice drum sound. Simon Phillips has always had a nice sound too

@MatthewClise 3 жыл бұрын

Around the Moving Pictures era, I'm pretty sure he was using Evans looking glass on top (which I understand are similar to a G2 but with some type of flexible collar?) And blue hydraulics on the bottom. I'm fairly certain that he would tune the top and bottom heads to the same pitch. I imagine this would make the heads resonate together for a brief moment, creating a beautiful note, and then the increased mass/ oil of the head would shorten the sustain, giving a bit more of an articulate sound. I want to try this for myself to find out.

@IAmInfinitus208 2 жыл бұрын

@@MatthewClise Would like to see a comparison video between a 2 ply on batter and 1 ply on bottom against 2 plys on both!

@ffrjegs08 5 жыл бұрын

i've always been curious about that sort of setup, thanks for letting me finally hear it :D so when are you guys gonna get with guitar center and do a clinic tour? lololol

@tomasmadlenak3396 4 жыл бұрын

i do use evans G2 bottom, never been more satisfied with the sound of the drums. period.

@sarangshahzad7070 3 жыл бұрын

Can we G2 as both heads? Batter and reso?

@tomasmadlenak3396 3 жыл бұрын

@@sarangshahzad7070 sure, benny greb approves...

@sarangshahzad7070 3 жыл бұрын

Thank-you buddy.

@ImmerGruenMusik 5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the video. Very informativ. Can you tell me the basic sticking during the groove in the middle of the video (while tuning).

@littlephoenix1115 5 жыл бұрын

I actually learned this by mistake, I was in a session where I had just snares and one rack with a coated 2 ply over a coated single about a 3rd lower; I had set it down upside down in the stand, hit it once, went wow, and left it that way for 3 charts. Really nice shortcut for colour options since I changed nothing except flipping it over.

@taroosullivan193 2 жыл бұрын

i'm changing out my toms from 8x7, 10x8 and 12 x 9 to 8x8, 10x9 and 12x10 so naturally i was thinking about trying out something different. i currently use ec2 360 evans on the batter and remo clear ambassador for resos. I like the idea of trying out a 10mm reso head rather than the 7.5 i use now. I'm not sure that i can get a better tone and sound than i get now, seriously, i have to tone and sound i always hear in my head as THE sound so I'm happy in that. I am increasing 1 inch depth because i like that combination just slightly more than my current set up. with a thicker reso, I might get slightly more tone in my toms without getting overtones.

@isihernandez9752 5 жыл бұрын

I sometimes do this with my floor toms (14"x14" and 16"x16"), depending on the situation, but I never did it with my rack toms. When I do, I usually mount 1 single ply on the batter side.

@michaelbruhl4425 3 жыл бұрын

...me too, and it sounds great !!!

@isihernandez9752 3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbruhl4425 yes!

@Mystninja 5 жыл бұрын

That's how I set up. G2 coated top and G2 clear bottom

@edubatera72 4 жыл бұрын

Mystninja me too...i have the UV2 on top now...

@caseyfenton90 3 жыл бұрын

Have you tried the opposite way, with the coated on bottom?

@Mystninja 3 жыл бұрын

@@caseyfenton90 nope. But I've heard G1 coated bottom and G2 coated top. It's ok. Very warm and dry sound.

@zapavey 5 жыл бұрын

Ive had emperors top and bottom on my 12x12 and 16x16 toms for a while now, defintely a big chunky warm sound that alot of my rock drummer friends love but no idea how they project, I'm either playing them or they are mic'd up and blasted through a PA

@indigos290 Жыл бұрын

I'll be trying the Evans G2 clear as reso and G1 coated as batter.

@doublea7054 4 жыл бұрын

Great tuned low!

@Burton_69Drums 10 ай бұрын

I've used 2 ply on the bottom of mine for years and it shocked me that so many drummers I know and have talked to that have never tried it. I always felt it cut out some of the higher overtones that single ply resonant heads had, especially on floor toms. Also, when the batter head would wear out I could just rotate the reso to the batter side and a spare single ply I"d have laying around to the bottom for a temporary, quick fix.