Dude went the whole milkyway's size and still hasn't reached the sun. 100k ly, damn

In the real world the sun is 8 light minutes away from earth

Did you know that if you go to the center of the earth temperature reads "inferno" I wonder if there are some tests you could do with that.

Ending where he glitches out, *he must've reached SE's farlands*

i learned one thing, light seconds is a unit of measurement in the game

Sun is a graphics shader based on player position and game time I can find it in the source code probably

If I recall correctly, the sun in SE is a part of the skybox. The skybox is the exact same regardless of your location, and the sun moves in circles on it.

the foot prints and tire tracks are part of the new wasteland update.

Ah, you have now entered the realm of Clang. May Clang have mercy on your soul...

Space Engineers is the Truman Show confirmed.

Student of Computer Science here; The glitching out so far out is because the game uses "floating point" numbers to store coordinates. These numbers work like scientific notation (e.g. 6.022×10³=6022) where you have a value and an exponent. When you go really far out this number must be able to store the enormous value of the coordinate, but that means some precision is lost. If you imagine that you only have 4 digits to describe a number, between 0 and 10 you can be pretty precise (like 4.654), but at higher values like 10,000, you run out of digits before you can even get to the units column, so all values between 63185 and 63195 round to 63190. Floating point numbers are just like that, and as a result, things gets jittery and start breaking. This is quite a common thing in true open world games, including Minecraft. As for the sun; it's printed onto the skybox, and slowly moves across it throughout the space engineers day (if that's enabled). For all intents and purposes it's infinitely far away, just like the stars. The daylight technically doesn't even come from the sun, it's just a universal (directional) light that changes direction in concert with the sun.

The reason the game was glitching out after travelling 100000 light years is an issue called floating point error. Basically a computer only has so much memory and can only reference number that take less than a certain size in memory (64 bits for a 64 bit computer). There are some ways to represent larger numbers but they take a lot of processing time and even more memory (useful if you want to actually calculate with large numbers, but jot so if you want to make a game that runs at a decent frame rate). To represent these large numbers (such as the position of a player within a centimetre at distances of 100,000+ light years, some sacrifices need to be made, and that is with accuracy. Each time it calculates a number (such as your position) it gets a slightly different result and it makes you glitch around, and the larger the number the more it glitches out. There are work around for this, such as recalculating everything so the player remains at zero, and every thing else moves (that way the player never sees the glitches as they are always at positions with low numbers). Bit this is much harder to do in multiplayer games (but it is still possible).

someone is making a mod that allows you to move asteroids in SE (Space Engineers)

For the whole "reaching the sun" the sun is part of the skybox, it is just visible, not a place, if you go far enough you might go out of the skybox, but I believe that the SE skybox is relative to the player.

Oh, man, a first look at the beginning of the video and I thought it would be regarding to Battletech - that surely looks like and Atlas´ skull! ;-D Cheers!

The sky box has the sun textured with a point light towards the player and rotates around the player so no matter how far you go the sun will always be the same distance away

You can't move an asteroid, but can you catch a meteorite?

I have heard that in the game engine the "sun" is simply a light source.

the sun in SE is at a set distance away from the player's camera and moves with the player to stay at that set distance.

Glad to see more space busters videos!

In terms of the issues that you started getting when so far away from the planets, it looks like something called the "floating point error", from what I understand a floating point value is inherently unprecise and the further you get away from the origin point the more issues you run into. Some games try to mitigate this by moving the universe around the player and not the other way around. Sebastian Lague made a good example of this error when making planets with orbits, and Tom Scott did a video on why the floating point error occurs As for how they're doing the sun, from what I know about game development, my first thought would be that its some UI element but even then that doesn't make sense in my head. Great video!

Skyboxes I think they're done, it's basically just a background texture. Remember fiddling with them in Unreal engine. You can't ever reach it cause it's basically just a 2d photo always the same distance from the player. You'd have had the same chance walking into the horizon in Mario :) Love your videos btw 😊

The H2 confusion is due to the thruster having previously burned fuel while on and idle. Keen has since overhauled the H2 mechanics, and along the way they got rid of the H2 burn when idle. I used to play years ago, and had my H2 tanks run empty with it just sitting there with the thrusters on. Today, you can leave them on without issue if the vehicle is stationary.

2:10 "And we wait." Ice chunks: Nope not staying for this, bye! 3:40 From spaceship to sandboat. 8:50 ... People still believe the mythical "asteroids can move" thing? I tried it out with a much more thruster-packed monstrosity once. I rammed a large ship (the "red ship" from one of the standard maps,) and it was sent floating off at high speed. I rammed a small asteroid with it, asteroid didn't care. Asteroids and planets are static features in this game. Just parts of the map you can grind down to dust, but never move. 9:30 And that one, too, always amuses me. The sun is a prop in this game. Just a representation of where light is coming from. Just like the "wallpaper" set in place of actual distant stars and nebulae, the sun is just there to make you feel like you're not trapped in an infinite space (or not infinite, if you choose to have boundaries on your map.)

The glitching is caused by floating-point precision errors which are caused by the position values being so large, I assume that the sun is a separate skybox from the stars, which allows it to rotate independently of the stars, but it would've been cool if it was an actual object in the world :)

The stars and everything you see as the "background" is essentially a cube that moves with the player keeping you in the center with its interior "painted" to look all starry and such.(if you look carefully, you can tell where the corners are) The sun works on a similar concept. A simple 2d image drawn at a position relative to the player (so yes, it follows you) and modified by time of day. In a way, they are both objects that exist, but their position is always relative to the camera and as such you can never reach them.

16:00 And this is what is known as "science has gone too far." The game engine does have limits. Very high limits, but past a certain distance (never tested out what the 'breaking point' is,) your astronaut and ship(s) will start freaking out and going Space Squid. Also, asteroids may not generate at all past a certain distance from the center of the "map." 16:50 "One million trillion bazillion kilometers!" - Dr. Evil, paraphrased. 17:20 Eight light minutes, give or take a few light seconds. 18:50 Yup, you're way far from the engine's limits, and the game just doesn't know what to do anymore. 20:00 I "moved" the Earth-like planet and all others together by deleting them and placing a copy of them elsewhere. And I mean "together" as in "connected them at the 'sides.'" For science.

I've wanted this video so much

As someone with a small amount of experience in game engines, here are my 0.5 cents on these myths. 1. Uhh, I don't have much to say on this. Maybe there is but it might be so small as to be negligible on any time scale other than monthly or more. 2. No, of course, you can't move asteroids, much less planets. Do you have any idea how intensive moving that many voxels would be? There's a reason that crashing a ship of any significant size gets to be so laggy, even if you have block damage turned off. 3. No, you can't reach the sun. The "sun" that produces light is just a global light source that casts light rays along the same vector for the entire world. It's rotated to simulate a day/night cycle, but there's no one point that it emanates from. And the sun that you see, it's just an image on the skybox (a full 360 image that is centered on the player). So as you move towards the sun, the sun moves with you. 3.5 This doesn't have to do with a myth, just with the glitching you experienced at the end. The reason you had all that jittering is that you got so far away from the "center" of the Space Engineers world that the floating-point errors in your character's position became noticeable. So while the rounding errors would normally be so small that they're on the scale of millimeters or less, now they're close to fractions of a meter or more. (If you don't know what a floating-point is, don't worry about it unless you plan to get into any sort of game design)

Ohhhh man you refusing to pick up the ice is TRIGGERING ME

Have a question how do you activate the thing you did with the batteries I know you called it something but I don't know what it was and how you activated

If you've ever mined an asteroid or planet and got floating vowels, that should tell you a little about why you can't move asteroids

You are right in so many ways and wrong in so many others, that is why I love SE )) 1. Two different types of asteroids exist, pregen and random, former used to be able to move, not sure now. 2. Not convinced about the engine test, wanna be on the server )) 3. Whoever says he can reach skybox is dumb, lmao )))))) 4. Here's a challenge, and I want to be a part of it: A: Spawn a tiny moon B: Drill through it and then some C: Drive a long pole though it D: Attach buttload of engines facing opposite ways to the pole E: FIRE IT UUUUP!!! F:............... .... .... PROFIT???

The sun is aprox 9 light minutes away from Earth, our galaxy is 100,000 ly across, so you essentially teleported farther than the Milky way is big

The buggy behavior at extreme distances is due to floating point precision i believe Basically, you can have either really big numbers or really precise numbers. Not both. When you try to make super duper big numbers, you lose a lot of precision-- instead of being accurate to like 0.00001 it becomes accurate to the like 100

How can you activate this cemetery in space engineers I don't know what exactly what it's called it's where your place one block but right beside on the other opposite side it will show up the other block

When are you making your next space factory video. I love those vids.

I love the video!

The sun is part of the skybox with light effects and the skybox is linked to the player, in most games skybox is linked to the level that's my understanding of it 😁 you can reach the sun if you have a mod where the skybox is linked to the earth instead of the player

Looks like setting a course at the heart of the sun is not possible in this game. 😎😒 👍👍👍 on the Space busting.

Yea they added the footsteps in the wasteland dlc they also made it so tires leave tracks as well so you could potentially track someone down by following their tracks never thought of trying it as i dont like playing multiplayer

Sun IRL is 8 light minutes and 20 light seconds away, approximately.

in SEngi the sun is like in minecraft. Infinitely far and drawn. If you notice the day/night cycle in space, it's the sun moving, not the rest.

The glitching toward the end is caused by reaching the limits of the floating point precision of the game. You can only have so many significant digits in coordinates. Let's say you place a block and the game uses centimeters as the smallest unit for the corners of a polygon on a model, but the game's units are in meters. That means that the smallest change would be a value of 0.01. That's 3 significant digits. Now look at your GPS coordinates in Space Engineers... It's not really GPS, because GPS gives angles around a sphere. Instead it's coordinates in the game space. Make a GPS for 0,0,0 as the coordinates, that's the "origin" of the world. So if you have 7 significant digits, that means the furthers away from origin while maintaining that centimeter accuracy would be around 99999.99. once you go past that, you start losing accuracy. At 100000.00 you're now in decimeter accuracy. At a million the highest accuracy you can get is a meter. Things are going to render progressively more and more scrambled there. Eventually things won't render at all because the closest you could physically render a polygon is too far away to see. It's all because computers have limited precision. Space engineers uses 64bit floats which have about 15 significant digits. The 7 significant digits I cited above are from 32bit floats which is a bit more common in video games. Space Engineers would be impossible with 32bit floats. You wouldn't be able to realistically go further than about 4km from origin before things start getting super wonky, and planets are often 60km in diameter. 15 significant digits means you have a range that gets into the trillions of meters, or tens of billions of kilometers before you start running into accuracy errors that exceed a centimeter in size.

I am pretty sure that the sun is actually part of the skybox (idk what to call it(its the thing that shows the Galaxy around you)) therefore you can never reach the sun because the skybox revolves around the players location ingame. I am not to sure i might be completely wrong

Could perpetual pulling machines be made practical? I´ve made a large grid of artificial masses and gravity generators on a rotor that pulls itself without thrust or velocity.

I always imagined the sun in SE was part of the skybox.

I have a question because I've been building my vessels with single blocks and I've been wanting to build it where I don't have to go to constantly go to both sides and make sure they're nice and even so I have a question how can you activate that for your building thing when you were doing your batteries you were placing multiple at the same time but you only using one side but yet it placed it for both sides I was wondering how you can activate that in the game can you please get back to me or you can someone who knows get back to me on that

Irl the sun is 8 light minutes away but in this game the sun is part of the sky box which is relativ to the player... Also after the second long jump I'd say you found the building boundaries which is why you were glitching and couldn't place blocks close to you anymore

@17:51 No ship No supplies Suck it, Janeway XD

Surely the question is, can you cut off a small chunk of an asteroid and move it? And if so, what's the size limit? I think it goes without saying you cant move a whole one

aiming reticle turns blue on enemies after about 15 min of playing and my gats / missiles wont lock onto them.. any ideas ?

How about an episode dedicated to alternate forms of propulsion and maybe perhaps taking another look at them dries perhaps taking them to their absolute maximum potential that they can do would be interesting

Footprints and wheel tracks were added with the new DLC.

The footsteps have been added With the Wasteland update

for reference, the Milky way is 100000 light years across, so you are defo outside the galaxy now

Speed mod is very helpfull

Loss a fuel with enabled hydrogen thrusters was real thing when i played many many hours in SE few years ago. Maybe that was a bug or maybe devs scrap this future out later, but definitly there was a real thing and you could lose all your hydrogen only because you not turned them off. Cheers.

I love how you act like 56,600-some Km is a long way. My survival ship can do that distance in 3 jumps, or 14 minutes 30 seconds. Then again, I'm a jump addict, and my ship can do 22,000 Km jumps, lol.

From my understanding the the background of space and the sun is sort of done like a skybox. As for not being able to place objects it could be that it has to do with the maximum value a float (decimal) can reach which is fucking huge (approx 2 to the 255th power from my understanding)

Sun and stars are just a rotating skybox, it's done in quite a few games. Gta is a good example of one of them.

I believe it is 8 light minutes

Even asteroids could move, I don't think that setup would have had enough trust to move it. I've noticed with mining ships full of ore that a single ion thruster often isn't enough to get them moving at all.

there is a mod being made to make asteroid and planets move . scary have a base on a planet and somebody drops an asteroid on top of you

Where you can do multiple blocks all at once without doing much

What happens when you go really far on any game engine is that the calculations for where your player (or anything really) can't be calculated with enough precision, when you calculate something in a computer you do it with a precision of Xbits, (usually its 32 or 16 bits) which means that if you want to calculate a really big number more of the bits end up representing a bigger value (a basic for example in 0.1 the "1" has a precision 10 times bigger than in 1.0, the same happens with tour position in space engineers, the further you go the less "granular" your position is.

Can you test if you can fier explosives out of a gravity canon and if so what is the range damage and can you use it to snipe ships that are really far away?

Very cool! Could someone please explain the math mentioned? Thanks! Cheers!

Do atmospheric thrusters work in a pressurized grid ?

16:35 in a simulation u only have limited digits for ur x,y,z if u get farther from 0,0,0 u don't have as many open digits for ur position so it goes instead of precise on millimeters precice in cntimeters aand it gets worse the farther u get (outer wilds had a massive issue with it so they fixed it by not moving the character but the world around it)

The sun is 8 light minutes away on average :D

Andrew, you jumped so far you were near Alpha Centauri......

The glitching might be becouse of going too far from 0,0 coordinates and things are beign placed extremely far from you most likely, watch an antvenom's video on how minecraft starts to break down at large distances, that seem like the same thing

have you seen starship evo it's kinda like Space Engineers

The sun is actually part of the skybox actually. There are some skybox mods that don't even have a sun

pretty sure the sun is an emissive portion of the skybox (hence shadows). so yeah, unreachable. nice though that you used the scientific method for a video game

Thrusters DO use fuel when docked, it’s just realllllly low (looked at the code to verify this)

Also, anyone who's accidentally rammed a ship into a tiny piece of voxel asteroid knows they don't move. Even a tiny one is as immovable as a planet, and will rip right through your ship

It's just a skybox with a distant light source and a flare

Probably the sun is just a texture, like the sky texture of minecraft. The only exception is only the sun moves

Fun fact the sun is 8 light minute away from Earth or 1 Au (Astronomical unit ) random fact the max speed mod does go to the speed of light I tested it in SE one time

exept for the frist one non of theses were ever myths and also i know for a fact that the hzdrogen leak bug did existed at one point tho it is good to know they fixed it now

5:48 is that a mod or a new part? I haven't played the game in a while.

If the sun rotates at a fixed distance from the player, with you being so far from the planets, would the suns rotation put it between you and the planets?

A: No consumption, no, no

I remember the sun being either 8 seconds or 8 minutes of light seconds

The sun is on the skybox which is a box projected a given distance from the camera so you can't reach it

The sun is actually a part of teh skybox.

I’m pretty sure the sun is a skybox like the stars you see.

unless a hydrogen engine is making thrust they don't use fuel BUT all powered blocks use a minuscule amount of power even if they are doing nothing

1AU is 499 LS.

I believe the sun is part of the skybox. When the sun moves, the skybox does too.

Actually, our sun is 8.317 light minutes away or we can say 499 light seconds, or 8 light minutes and 19 light seconds away, that means if the sun explode suddenly, we will know it until 8.317 minutes, also, the that photon released from the sun needs 8.317 minutes to reach our planet traveling at light speed. Interesting, isn't it :D Let me explain something about the SUN in the space engineers, I first wanna say that my "hobby" is reverse programming and I like doing things to see how they manage to make something (or screw something up :D ), also I'm an engineer in real life and also an mechanic for over 25 years. So, inspecting the code in SE, I was found that the actual sun is not an physical object, in simple words, it is an holographic projection around the playfield, now, taking an leap and breaking the code more, I was found that if you create unlimited world, it will need you unlimited time to reach the edge of the playfield, but, if you make the playfield limited, you also will not be able to reach it, because of how the holographic projection of the texture works, it is projected on the outer side of the bounday of the playfield and if you make you world limited distance, the boundary have an area that occupy that space which you can't pass thru and the sun texture is just on that boundary after the border, so in conclusion, you will NEVER reach it and it will be always the same size relative to the player. However, the further you go, the more objects is loaded in the memory, so, you will experience some lagg (in your case that glitch) but, the programmers implement an code to make relieve of the memory if gets to much crowded, so it will become normal after the code takes out of the crowd unuseful stuff. One suggestion tho, I'm also curious to know, did you try to do the same thing but instead of going towards the sun, you can go some light years distance but along the Z axis, doesnt matter up or down, just pick the direction. I'm curious if the sun will be diagonally above or below you or it will be in the same XY plane where the player is, regarding the code itself, it say that the sun is moving along the XY plane and the Z is not included in the formula at all. So, i'm just curious to see what will happen :D Also, when you reach the distance, try to rotate the sun using admin tools, just to make sure if it stays on the trajectory along the XY plane. This comment becomes to long LOOOOL.... anyway, if someone have more knowledge or useful information about the code itself to share with me, I will be glad to accept it and maybe reconsider mine as well if it isn't right :D Anyway, keep up the goo work Andrew, I like your videos and I like your approach to the problems you encounter.

i think the sun is done with a sky box, it's not a physical object, it's just something that renders after everything else. pretend it's a sphere that exists around each players with an infinite radius

the sun in the sol system is about 8 light mins away from earth

The further you get from center world gen corrupts.

the sun is just a texture in the skybox that moves with the player so no you cannot reach the sun unless you break the game to glitch outside the skybox at wich point youd find out that the sun is justa flat texture that moves over the skybox

The sun is part of the skybox, you can't go to the sun because it doesn't physically exist as a voxel body.

that kind of sucks tht the sun is fake but it kind of makes sense if you think of it. the sun moves but around the player* kind of which means it must be a fake otherwise it makes no physical sense, the sun would have to be in multiple places at once while also not being in multiple places at once. in reality the planets spin but the voxels don't move and that is why this problem exists.

Technically you can move an asteroid, with enough drills