I am a American from the south. I grew up in church then fell away into popular ideology for a while. Then realized it doesn’t produce anything good. I realized that everything good and fruitful in my life all had to do with my Christian heritage. And that I was failing to pass that on to my kids. I’ve woken up and now have re-found my faith. And this time it’s so much stronger. God bless you both

I was reading The Hobbit to my 5yr old boy the other night and Gandalf showed up at the shire and he said “Dad, Gandalf is a wizard like Moses. Remember he has that staff and he throws it on the ground and it turns into a snake and then he picks it up and it’s a staff again?”

It is so wonderful to hear Jonathan say the Christian story is inevitable . Jesus Christ will return and we will see His Glory!

Jonathan is one of the most fascinating humans I have encountered in the mediaverse. Thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. I never knew the garden was a mountain until I listened to The Symbolic World. Grateful for Jonathan's knowledge and ability to communicate his perspective and Christian wisdom.

This is the most explicit I’ve seen Jonathan ever be about salvation and dying and being reborn. I agree entirely with this view, which will sound very radical to many Catholics and Protestants. Thank you!

The interviewers questions were bothering me at first for some reason, then I realized he’s asking really good controversial questions that allows Johnathan to bring his understanding to light for us. Great video!

I've listened to probably over 250 hours of Jonathan on KZfaq, but this is the best 1-on-1 interview I've seen with him. Thank you so much Glen!

This has me smiling all the way through. Great job to both of you. I am learning so much. I am seeing so much. I am growing deeper in my understanding of Christ, Holy Orthodoxy and my pursuit of meaning. So grateful!

My husband once described our journey as constantly BECOMING the. Likeness of Christ

Love his podcast The Symbolic World.

Jonathan is so deep that it is truly fascinating. You just don't find such folks nowadays in their ability to explain so beautifully the christian message. God bless him.

Let us feed on His Word each day and through that we will learn to know God more and more. Man does not live on bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

Amazing how Glen brought Jonathan to life. It looks like Jonathan might have found the “moment” during the interview. I think Jonathan has this rare ability to access the collective unconscious where meanings are revealed in symbols, icons, etc. Even him, only sees the glimpses of it at the right moment when multiplicity converges... how many people experienced God’s glory in this conversation?

I always find listening to Jonathan so liberating and interesting.

In the post-modern world you have to conquer death by staying alive. In Christianity you conquer death by dying willfully. 40:34

I'm super-impressed with this interview, a penny dropping every minute. And Jonathan Pageau is very articulate, much more than I remember from a few years back.

Jonathan is my biggest inspiration at the moment. I’ve been watching every video this guy releases since the beginning when I saw him with Peterson. I now am starting my own channel and I’d say Jonathan is the biggest reason why.

Brilliant conversation - came here because of Jonathan! but I enjoyed the tone of the whole conversation, I liked the questions that aided the mind/heart to go deeper! I will check out your interviews with others, too .....Thank you both , guys!!

As we grow , we become more like Christ every day that we follow Him thank you again for this lovely conversation.

Loved this, one of my favourite Pageau interviews. Would love for you guys to do this again sometime.

Jonathan Pageau never disappoints.

The two worlds collide! I love this!!

"The Christian Story is Inevitable" a perfect title and a conclusion that I came to as part of my religious and philosophical journey some time ago. In that regard, Christianity can reward the true believer and the agnostic in similar measure. The so called leap of faith which the agnostic refuses to take is the difference and I would argue that even this is inevitable. When I took my leap and reflected on it it felt like a small step and the first rather than the last. There was a feeling of immense relief for me, letting go of the reluctance and the resistance and embracing my faith in full.

Awesome discussion! Glad to see this meeting of Christian worlds.

My pastor, who was Pentecostal and went to a Catholic school while growing up, told me that Kingship is the best form of government. And as I’ve read, Thomas Aquinas said the same thing

My grandson is studying philosophy at college, and he is asking some amazing questions every week. It’s wonderful to listen to this, as it’s fabulous to be able to share with him my faith. Thanks for. Your insights into all parts of life. Even talking about sexual matters is easier as we compare the. Union with that of Christ.

Oh i remember John Zouzoulos he was here in Glasgow many years ago he had a great influence on many fundamentalists to make them see things differently 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🙏

Denying Christ is denying Love itself.

This really blessed me. Thank you for doing this interview.

Fantastic interview thank you so much!🦋🕊

The production value of this podcast is really good! Looks nice

Great interview! Beautiful discussion.

Great discussion

So enlightening. Thank you both.

Loved, loved, loved this conversation. Thank you both so much, there’s a lot think about in this conversation. Thanks!

Just beautiful to listen too ... During lent 🙏🏻

Great interview! One of the best with Jonathan. Subscribed ✅

Why is God hidden? bc your eyes are closed, my friend.

Awesome! Thank you! Find the patterns!

Great discussion...glad to hear this from jonathan

Love this! Love to hear your explanations!! It was beautiful how you and Dr, Peterson came together! Thank you!

It gladdens me to hear Jonathan tell us that at times he has tasted God's Glory. Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel

This dude is ALWAYS on point. Terrific insights here.

Amazing testimony

Thanks guys this was good to watch and gives a lot to think over.

I know Pageau but didn't know this channel...excellent interview, great questions and discussion. Getting to the Gospel instead of circling around with hints and shadows

Inspiring conversation. ❤

Yes We natural Pull apart What God keeps together Amazing words 🤔

"Love doesn't abolish multiplicity." Amen. The word of God is like seed, Matthew 13, Mark 4, Luke 8, all 3 synoptic Gospels attest!

SOOO good!! Thank you!!

Awesome!

Thank you.

Wow... let this sink in the light of life today with all the blurring of boundaries... "For reality to exist normally we need to able to separate things. " Creating patterns of respect".

Yes Moments of light Yes Has access to this light Of man .... ..... 🤔....

I did not understand much of what Jonathan said, but I do know that the figurative language of Sacred Scripture is poetic in the same way that all poetry is poetic. The words used to created the signal images of prophetic passages are like all other words, and being like them they each have a definition which simply identifies what that thing is different from other things. But this definition also tells us in what ways this thing is like other things. These universal qualities which all things share in different proportions and combinations, like hot, hard, fluid, coarse, smooth, big, light, empty, inside, curved, tense, etc. are in analogy to spiritual things which have no material being. These qualities link heaven and earth, the material and spiritual by meaning. These universal qualities are the spiritual forms that compose our intellectual experiences. God uses material things like mountains, rivers, wells, birds, lions, right hands, etc. to create for us poetic analogies of invisible, intellectual things in the context of the metaphysical story He is embedding in a temporal story. Every man uses analogy in his everyday conversation without even thinking about I: "She ran like the wind!" Who cannot understand this? It is not difficult to understand what a mountain may mean spiritually. A mountain is a great heap of matter that is immovable. It must be climbed; it is that part of earth which most nearly reaches heaven, it is robed in clouds which reflect the sun, and shines white in its icy summits. From its heights one can see great distances below. What is this like in the intellectual universe if the matter that composes this spiritual mountain is idealogical? You may describe this one way and I another. You may bring out certain aspects and I others. But all of these things will complement each other if they are true to mountain and true to the context and true to the analogy of the Faith. (That is, if they do not present contradictions to the Faith.) This is not too hard. God does not intend to communicate just to brilliant people or to the most holy among us. Understanding is not the reward of sanctification but the means of it. The key thing for us to do is that in reading a passage, when one runs upon an image not immediately comprehended, we must stop and address ourselves to the Author of this passage Himself, who is omniscient and listening. We simply ask Him what it means. He will show us the meaning interiorly, or He how to think about it, or He will build in us the ground work that will make it possible for us to comprehend it. Let us add to that a little patience and a whole hearted expectation. And then, just stop and think about the meaning of the word. Take it apart. Define it and identify those qualities which may be analogous to invisible things. Begin to build for that passage a spiritual edifice of meaning. This is sooooooo interesting and rewarding. Go for it!

Such a great interview, I now subscribed myself to Speak Life. Probably will visit more frequently Jonathan Pageau's channel. I seem to be able to understand him and his pattern idea regarding the Bible.

I bought his Cosmic Mountain tshirt last week - it's amazing!! And I finished A Secular Age by Charles Taylor after a billion years just last week (yay) - the buffered self - such a crucial insight.

Great! Thanks!

Listening for the second time. Slave of duality at 35min mark is fascinating. Great podcast.

Fantastic interview.

A total truth-bomb about truly righteous hierarchy.

I love this idea of patterns in reality. John Vervaeke has his four types of knowing, we have modified this to include the Parabolic way of knowing (which was first put forth by Mary Kochan) where we use the parabolic to represent the patterns that we know of or see or sense in the world. Invariant patterns are those which are exemplified by the church because they most represrent reality through time and space. I talked to Karen Wong about this on her Meaning Code channel and did a 2 hour talk with Paul Vanderklay about these concepts, I think that what is being done when talking about symbols is just speaking of the parabolic way of knowing the world - those connections which we need to properly participate (which allows co-creation) with each other, nature and the ineffable.

Jonathan is a genius.

Nice.

The true moment of harmony and love... is like eternity

"The deep weird" Since starting to consider Catholicism, yeah... feels that way. But in a good way. :)

Only Jesus Christ Saves!...

Ecclesiastes helped show me that king of kings, means there should be kings, all bow to Christ, it's not negotiable and it's good

Thank you

Yes It's a massive problem bro Awesome question

Word Spirit 🦅

Amen

Awesome stuff

Thanks

fascinating

I'm going to sleep 💤😴 This is awesome 😎 I might return

Fascinating. Tq❤. My question too brought up here @32.30. Will be going through more or JP's material to understand this and more.

this is epic

Jonathan Pageau's symbolic account of the Christian story has brought me closer than anything else to the point of conversion. It really does seem like a maximally meaningful story which can contain all of reality inside itself. I'm having trouble reconciling this with the rational part of me that notices that the doctrines of Christianity and the interpretations of the story have developed over centuries and seem to have forced historical claims to be made which go against the historical evidence.

Democracy, as we know it, functions as a way for autocrats to enforce their will against the public while loudly proclaiming that the people asked for it.

As a Lutheran the way Johnathan explains theosis...I would say most Christians describe this aspect of knowing Christ. It seems that Orthodoxy just has more language for it.

Our account to God demonstrates we are individuals first

Jonathan.. amazing person with an amazing insight into truth...however tainted by the political narrative

Good video.

Re: Hierarchy. In a discussion on C S Lewis, Doug Wilson and co noted how the author valued Dante's insight into such structure when 'viewed' from above, taking on an altogether different role. Very useful, and affirming of Tom's arguements.

That's really interesting...the lack of hierarchy in society today, that is. I've actually thought about the fact that when I read my Bible and see "king" or "lord," I know for certain that I don't have a good concept of those words.

I started listening to Jonathan Pageau following his very recent interview with Dr Jordan Peterson and found him fascinating. Glen Scrivener shows his tremendous in depth knowledge but refrains from overpowering the interview. My first introduction to the symbolism of scripture was a lecture through Prof F F Bruce on the meaning of the material used to build the Temple described in Leviticus and Jonathan grasps this excitement. I am still examining what the Risen Christ means and I note Jonathan had a different side to that meaning, whereas in his interview with Dr Jordan hit at the meaning when he considered Christ is the touching together of the Narrative and the Objective.

Jonathan, have you seen the recent show the Chosen? It does such a great job of portraying how Jesus changed the lives of people around him. The best adaptation of the gospel I've seen, and done in an intentional and creative way. Season 2 is coming out this year! I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the show in a video sometime.

This is how I summarize this point to my Sunday School class.. Jesus said...dont desire to be called Father or rabbi Because there is only 1 father in heaven.. So we all submit to one another under Christ. However like Ephesians 5 on marriage roles..we all have different roles such as teacher and generals for order

This is interesting. I’m a christian voluntaryist (some might refer to my position as free market anarchism). One of the big differences between my view and an anarcho-communist is that I affirm hierarchy as a fact, but I think this hierarchy requires the amen, that is to say I believe these hierarchies need to be entered into voluntarily. States don’t allow for the amen; they are coercive and violent by nature.

I just found you. Thought provoking in being called to participate in the divine.

If no death No life Seed I die with Christ Then I'm risen

Brilliant talk!

48:52 The short way is actually just watching all Jonathan's KZfaq videos, some of them more than once

Wow the resolution of all other stories through Christ, I have seen the resolution but it wasn't defined like that in my mind, like how, they lived happy ever after endings to stories are incomplete without knowing what happens after those characters deaths

This I think more than any other video has helped me understand what Jonathan is going on about. Very good.

If someone comes to Christ because of a miracle it will be a miracle if they stay. Faith and belief first then the miracles will be seen everyday

That didn't consume the marriage point was interesting I was thinking about that parable of the wedding party, the person who showed up with out thier party clothes got thrown out, and for me it was like i had seen the truth, but i was focused on the evil, and when you looking for evil you won't find good, but I hadn't recognised why I should be happy about it, that was a big roadblock for me

Cool intro!

Love listening to these conversations. Good as always. We are a constitutional republic in the States, not a democracy. 🤷🏻‍♂️