You probably prefer downtube shifters too hey 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I actually have a Dawes steel frame with downtube shifters! 😂

Crazy stiff as in too uncomfortable on gravel?

@@vigneshie Not too uncomfortable for chunky gravel & singletrack. It's very direct & sharp - just like a race bike should be. Like Dave Arthur mentioned, I feel like I always need to be fully focused when off-road going fast.

Better tape that Grail up if you are squeezing 45mm tires on that Grail… idk where you’re riding in Colorado but our bikes are always muddy in Colorado. Also, the seatpost he has on the model in the video is the only one that doesn’t come with the post that is designed to flex while riding

CO, Boulder area: our soils are mostly sandy, and the weather is mostly dry. Even when wet, mud build up is rarely a problem, if ever. Most of the time I ride with 40 mm G One RS tires, as they suit my needs perfectly for the fast gravel riding and racing I prefer. Pretty sure, for the few times I ride a bit more chunkier routes, that 45 mm RS would work fine in this frame. Of course if I was going on a truly muddy ride, I'd be riding narrower tires anyway-so no worries there. As for the seatpost, I can fit on a M Grail, and have a a bike which is 23 mm longer than my present one, with .5 degree slacker HA and 6 mm more BB drop-this is going to be more stable at speed-and the seat tube is way shorter, exposing more seat post and allowing more seat post flex vs my current bike. Note that the carbon layup on the new Grail D shape seat post is higher flex than what they use for the road bikes-noted by Canyon. Sure this is not the same amount of flex as the former leaf spring design, but it is also not overly heavy-I like fast gravel rides, covering long distances, climbing mountains, and racing, and this bike suits my needs better than any other bike I can find.@@louisvuittondom

@@barrowsworm1226 my only advice is ride it before you buy it.

Not really an option, but I am not concerned about a test ride-this bike is the only one I am aware of which has the geometry and features I am looking vs. my current bike (Stigmata 3). With the new Grail, I can ride a medium frame, and get a longer reach and wheelbase, a lower BB, and a slightly slacker HA, all leading to more stability, which I want in a big way. The Stig 3 is a little to Cyclocrossy for me, which is the same with the Crux. Additionally, frame storage is a big plus for everyday riding, allowing one to ditch the seat bag. Plus, the Grail has a much shorter seat tube vs my Stig 3, or the Crux, allowing for more exposed seat post for more compliance-long seat tubes are stupid (leading to a heavier frame and less compliance) for a gravel bike, if you are not looking for something to ride 'cross on. The aero factor of the Grail is a bit of a plus, but not a big deal, but the longer/lower geo is the main thing for me-this makes sense for a real gravel bike, which is not compromised by having 'cross design features. In fact, there are huge differences between what works right for cross and gravel, and any bike designed to suit both is going to be a severe compromise. Gravel events are long, and fast, and most turns are often sweepers. Here in CO, most rides and courses are pretty wide open and fast. Cyclocross is the opposite: super short events, at mostly slow speeds, with lots of very tight slow speed turns, and steep short climbs and descents. To me the new Grail is a purpose designed gravel bike for fast rides and racing-just what I am looking for.@@louisvuittondom

Thanks! :)

Sold my Aethos to buy a crux, depending on the gearing you choose the Crux can do everything the Aethos can do and handle cross and gravel. Absolute perfect bike for all needs.

I have a canyon grail cf sl 8 with the hoverbars. I’ve owned for a year now and haven’t had any issues. I did try and contact canyon to find out availability for the hoverbars in the future , god forbid I crash and need new bars, and it took a while to get a response.

Love the paint job as well. Wicked understatement

I've asked to review the Stigmata so hopefully soon that'll happen

@@davidarthur Thanks, I'm excited to see that. Hopefully it won't take too long for Santa Cruz to reach out to you.

How do the sizes compare? I have an aethos myself and looking at a crux

@@TheUsername1302I’d go down one size

@@brody5211 why? If I may ask

The same, Im 5" before a purchase, ut in my opinion the Spec roubaix is better choice.

Ok maybe it's cause I'm young but classic stays and no uniqueness in the frame looks so boring and geeky on carbon bikes. It's fine on a ti or vintage bikes ofc. Why would I get a carbon frame that hasn't been optimized for performance and looks when there's not really any limitations on the manufacturing it's just really nonsensical to me.

@@sugxithe more „looks“ you want in a carbon bike the more carbon it takes … if so the Crux wouldn’t be as lightweight as it is. And that plus it’s classic (timeless) looks is a major point for the Specialized. Simplicity in looks also NEVER goes out of fashion…if one likes to keep his bike for more than 2-3 years time …which to me is no time for a bike ownership

@@bikemike1118 drop seat stays less carbon more aero more drip (they probably have to add a layer or two somewhere to keep structural integrity but overall less carbon) and if by timeless you mean something everyone and their mom has sure

@@bikemike1118 Lightweight? Are you serious? The difference in weight is literally 700 grams, and this is partly due to the fact that Specialized takes a smaller frame than Canyon as its starting point. This will save at best 5 watts, which will allow you to cover a distance of 100 km 2 minutes faster. A fair reason to pay a few thousand dollars more for a bike, isn't it? Bruh... 🤠

So odd; I think the bike looks absolutely cheap

​@@user-ti9zc1xv2b agree speaking just on looks it's literally just as bland and basic as possible. The grail has actual visual language with that modern yet rugged canyon aesthetic

Meh. Neither bike appeals to me but Canyon paint team needs to up their game. “Bland” would still give the bike too much credit.

@@LifeCycle1978 I don't disagree it's definitely not a very bright or unique paint job. But do you see what I mean by specializeds frame they just drew out the geometry lines and then said yup let's just round it off a little and call it a day.

@@sugxiThe Crux frame is just an aethos with wider tire clearance.

I love that my Crux is simple. I ride 45min road each way to gravel. Sometimes I choose it over my Tarmac for casual road rides too.

Yes it can be, all gravel bikes can work well as road bikes with road tyres. There will of course be compromises especially if outright speed is your focus but if it's not then any gravel bike can be a decent road bike

Thank you @@davidarthur! My question actually is: I'm looking for a one does all bike. To still have a fast road bike, I'm looking into quite aggresive and aero gravelbikes. Do you think this is one of the better options in this respect?

For the last three years I’m using a Inflite CF SL 8 as an “one bike does all”. Road, Gravel, CX, Some Xc and even in high mountains with a oneby. But honestly, it is a compromise. Please Arthur do elaborate on the Grail on road use.

​@@basdevaan517 see my latest video on the Grail for how it rides on the road ;)

it's a medium

The answer is in the video ;)

se 45 non è consigliato con una misura di meno like 44 ?

R3: Can you put on the CRUX a 52/36 Crankset?

Even if you did all that paying extra/aftermarket it still costs a small car less than the Crux, so..

Worth comparing the geometry of the two bikes as I did

Just rebuilding the Secan so I'll add that to the list

You didn't watch my review of the 3T Exploro Racemax then? or the Wilier Rave SLR? ;)

I think I did watch the racemax (that one has loads of character by the way) But missed the Willier - touché 😄

Not this cfr… very pricey. And the sl cheap ones don’t have the same bar nor storage spaces. That you get from 5000 euro upwards. So i am not sure about the ‘no brainer’. The canyon grizl is a great competitor with bigger tyre possibilities.

The joke is saving $500 on a canyon, then spending $1000 fixing things that came broken from the factory 😉

Canyon boring

The geo on the Crux is nowhere near “Endurance”

@@RunRecoverRally that is correct, I was looking at the diverge geo. The Cruz is so close to a road bike it’s wild.

​@@ian_pedalzIt is a road bike with more tire clearance, that's all.

@@ravenmoto5948if it’s not a 90’s mtb with drop bars it’s a road bike with tire clearance. The marketing is real lol

Did you watch the video? The answer is in the video. But in short, yes gravel bikes are different to CX bikes so what's why Specialized made changes to move the Crux more into the gravel space whilst retaining the ability to be a CX racer

What did you expect

That's you're opinion, I think the Grail looks much better and offers much more.

@@ravenmoto5948 you need thicker glasses.

@@seanmccuen6970 Yeah sure

I agree! Canyons appearance doesnt trigger me while looking at the wicked colors and shapes makes me feel -> i want that crazy playfull looking bike. A big thumbs up for whoever did the designs on the crux

Crux’ geometry was quietly changed 2 years ago to be more gravel focussed over Cx

Crux is a great bike no question. Still rooted in CX though. Not the best weapon for gravel which is what makes David’s verdict so surprising.

Gravel is a far bigger deal nowadays than CX, which is extremely niche....

Russell Finsterwald is 4th place overall in the Lifetime Grand Prix and he rides the Crux. Its a perfectly capable gravel race bike, with results.

@@daryl4841Pros ride sponsored bikes. They are pros because they will win on any of these bikes. Canyon, Giant, Spesh, Walmart with top components. They are all capable of winning. All these bikes have similar top line components and carbon frames. The difference is literally half a degree in geo here and there. Which for a pro who can handle the bike matters little. You basically need the legs + handlin skills. Go invest in Zwift and ride your bike lol.