Spectating the #1 TikTok Flank Moira player and why it WORKS

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Жыл бұрын

Today, we're spectating the #1 Moira on the ladder, NolanCoronaV. Yes, you're about to learn how to be a flanking DPS Moira.
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@joefulgham3341
@joefulgham3341 Жыл бұрын
With all those heal orbs and the way he's playing I'd almost call him a second dive tank, except the tankiness is from self-heals and a great escape ability. It's the Moira version of Wrecking Ball.
@ClaraBennett
@ClaraBennett Жыл бұрын
I think it’s a bit more similar to Winston, since the mobility comes in a single cooldown. The decision-making around using jump aggressively, to stage, or defensively feels like it transfers pretty well to Fade. But yeah, I agree, this playstyle should be called tank Moira.
@cadbane6523
@cadbane6523 Жыл бұрын
So the video of the greatest Moira ever has her hard throwing the game for the first 2 minutes. What skill
@joefulgham3341
@joefulgham3341 Жыл бұрын
@@cadbane6523 Not sure why you replied to me to say this, but OK, I'll handle it. The subtext of your comment is "I don't understand why this is effective" (plus a bit of "I wrongly think good play never fails ever" which is *weird*) My reply to these translations of your "complaint" are: I believe that you don't get it, and I believe that you think good plays never fail. And I feel bad for you.
@cadbane6523
@cadbane6523 Жыл бұрын
@joefulgham3341 let's be real. Any team that has a Moira die twice In the enemy spawn in the first 2 minutes is going to be raging. My point is this was a poor choice of a video to show that Moira can be an effective pick. If I watched this and didn't know the rank I would think the player was silver
@gamefreak9210
@gamefreak9210 Жыл бұрын
@@cadbane6523 ...what about the other 9 minutes?
@indianOutlaw87.5
@indianOutlaw87.5 Жыл бұрын
Most noticeable difference with him and a low rank moira I usually see is he utilizes his range very well there are a lot of times where lower ranks would try and close the gap on someone they are sucking instead of keeping that 20 meter succ
@GaussianEntity
@GaussianEntity Жыл бұрын
Yeah the range is ridiculous. You can attack while taking cover
@daringiconoclast6547
@daringiconoclast6547 Жыл бұрын
That and the willingness to go all the way behind and then some to get an advantageous corridor. Low tank moiras often barely stay behind the enemy team, positioned basically where the enemy zenyatta should be. This guy uses the map more like a tracer or ball would
@theArchive1O
@theArchive1O Жыл бұрын
Succc
@flenoble
@flenoble 7 ай бұрын
I honestly can’t believe how damn far the suck goes, based on watching everyone else you’d think it’s the same range as the OG Symmetra beam, but its like 3x longer than that
@TiMonsor
@TiMonsor Жыл бұрын
not moving when fighting moira is a revelation.) makes so much sense, never thought about it. you really just throw ur own aim
@dominic2123
@dominic2123 Жыл бұрын
same for winston, i love when people ad strafe really hard and proceed to miss 50% of their point blank shots on me
@razrv3lc
@razrv3lc Жыл бұрын
Yeah she’s not really doing much damage and is relying on you freaking out lol. I remember back in OW1 I stood still and just melted a Moira with Sombra once and she accused me of aimbotting because she didn’t think it was possible for Sombra to out damage her lol
@Nyxtia
@Nyxtia Жыл бұрын
What Nolan meant by "go no backline" when asked about counters to dps Moira was going something like Lucio+Moira, etc. so you don't have a squishy backline for Moira to exploit.
@zachblaha766
@zachblaha766 Жыл бұрын
Right, I didn't think he meant don't flank but rather, the enemy team counters by picking less exposable and isolated heros
@strangejune
@strangejune Жыл бұрын
That's how I understood it, yeah. In certain comps you can straight up ignore a flank Moira in favor of attacking her team who essentially has one less support.
@mango863
@mango863 Жыл бұрын
i played against him on oasis a couple weeks ago lol he was decimating our backline the entire game and had our entire team tilted
@deusvult6920
@deusvult6920 Жыл бұрын
Me when I play Moira on ilios: fade into the hole
@samuelcarney6552
@samuelcarney6552 Жыл бұрын
KarQ is the person to watch if you want honest and good advice for anything Overwatch. Thanks man
@kinzvfx1848
@kinzvfx1848 Жыл бұрын
Yeah general play has made me better, but I’ve learnt most of my stuff from necros lmao
@richiee35
@richiee35 Жыл бұрын
How much he pay you to say that
@ty-xq7bl
@ty-xq7bl Жыл бұрын
what an NPC comment
@ty-xq7bl
@ty-xq7bl Жыл бұрын
@@richiee35 he is an NPC
@janterri3539
@janterri3539 Жыл бұрын
@@ty-xq7bl Sez u
@tabby842
@tabby842 Жыл бұрын
I've been saying this. People always say Moira can't bring utility and want to rework an ability to have additional utility mechanics. Her survivability IS her utility. You can essentially function as an offtank for some time by drawing attention and creating space. And because of your survivability you can get out a lot of the time, further improved if you know how and where you can fade jump or double fade jump
@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong
@astupidlylongnamethatstoolong Жыл бұрын
The main problem with most moiras that play with team is that ber survivability isnt being used like a resource, it doesn't bring utility if all you do is play behind tank all the time. This guy knows how to use it as a resource, he knows where and when to flank, who to prioritize as a target etc.
@AutXRose
@AutXRose 8 ай бұрын
couldnt have said it better myself
@Knux865
@Knux865 6 ай бұрын
I know I’m late but I hope you learned how to aim since then and play a diff hero. Ain’t reading allat
@BrambleJam
@BrambleJam 6 ай бұрын
Whats a double fade jump? 😮
@tsogud
@tsogud Жыл бұрын
I'm a GM Moira main and this exactly how you're supposed to play her if you want to get the most value from her. She gets a lot of hate for being "easy" but she requires an insane amount of CD management and game sense to pull her off optimally in higher tiers. Since she doesn't have an ability that gives utility you have to actually become the utility via your playstyle. Pressuring from off angles, baiting out CDs, finishing off squishies, adapting mid-fight, etc. are all things your team can utilize to win the match.
@Yaallenn
@Yaallenn 10 ай бұрын
She is easy lmao
@Yaallenn
@Yaallenn 10 ай бұрын
You don't even need aim lmao and other heroes also do CD management and position etc don't pretend like she is a hard hero to play that's so cringe
@ashkane3674
@ashkane3674 9 ай бұрын
gm = diamond btw
@siorai1
@siorai1 7 ай бұрын
@@Yaallennthen how come some ppl are sick with her and most are trash ?
@ganeshaom1581
@ganeshaom1581 7 ай бұрын
She's easy bro lol
@Noobalator
@Noobalator Жыл бұрын
I'd say the biggest key to this playstyle is your other support.
@FlyingFistOfJuda
@FlyingFistOfJuda Жыл бұрын
This tbh
@milkmilk1489
@milkmilk1489 Жыл бұрын
More like is team recognizes the Moira is prioritizing flanking so they play knowing they just have mercy heals instead of poking the same amount as they would with two healers, then going “where’s the heals???”
@Summonick2
@Summonick2 Жыл бұрын
@@milkmilk1489 neither of these. The moiras team needs way less healing because of the pressure damage and kills he provides, and they are allowed to play just as aggressive or even more than usual because of the space he provides. The other support could be autopilot.
@strangejune
@strangejune Жыл бұрын
@@Summonick2 This. Drawing aggro is damage mitigated, as long as you don't die doing it.
@danielyeo669
@danielyeo669 Жыл бұрын
@@Summonick2 maybe that works in bronze to plat
@Surgeon.shatha
@Surgeon.shatha Жыл бұрын
I don’t know why people are surprised that aggressive moira actually works it’s been like this forever 😭
@padarousou
@padarousou Жыл бұрын
Bc most people are still in silver/gold and the Moira's play like dog water
@kendy7290
@kendy7290 Жыл бұрын
It's just stronger now BC of the support passive, Moira is in a much better position now
@yippeeyip4764
@yippeeyip4764 Жыл бұрын
people are surprised it works at this rank
@bigbirdmusic8199
@bigbirdmusic8199 Жыл бұрын
@@yippeeyip4764 Id be more surprised if it worked in lower ranks. I figured out a while ago that drawing aggro can be more important that raw damage/kills alone. Never would I think to play this aggro, especially as moira. I feel like it takes very high situational awareness plus top tier mechanics to play it well, which is why I think higher ranks makes more sense for this to work.
@bigbirdmusic8199
@bigbirdmusic8199 Жыл бұрын
@@padarousou Can confirm. Was spectating my buddy in silver on moira. Holding down left click till she was drier than a nun.
@Blorckits
@Blorckits Жыл бұрын
8:40 He tried to double jump off of the telephone box here. The timing is hard, and even harder to h it while being chased, so it makes sense why he missed it.
@GeekandGlory
@GeekandGlory Жыл бұрын
I'm usually a healing moria going for easy picks but I actually have pulled agro for my team. I'll never forget fading into the backline on Midtown and sitting on the objective to pull the enemy back over to me so my team could get through the choke.
@commentbot9510
@commentbot9510 Жыл бұрын
This Moira really just said fine I’ll be the 2nd tank
@inventedcool1076
@inventedcool1076 Жыл бұрын
I think this also worked because the mercy adjusted her play style to adapt to what her other support was doing. This wouldn’t have worked as well if she’d try to pocket a dps instead of covering heals for the tank.
@razrv3lc
@razrv3lc Жыл бұрын
This for sure. Now with the Mercy changes where she can heal even better, she could pair with this kind of Moira really well too.
@IzThatit
@IzThatit Жыл бұрын
KarQ: *Intensely explaining flanking moira strat.* Moira Player: I just got lucky.
@superdude292
@superdude292 Жыл бұрын
I like playing flank Moira, I just placed diamond and going through plat was rough. I would be doing exactly the same thing on first point of this map but the difference is if I died twice like he did my team would type “we have a dps Moira gg” and stop trying or throw just to prove their point. Low ranks can be frustrating with how confused and pathological some players are.
@ultimateblaze23
@ultimateblaze23 Жыл бұрын
maybe heal ur team instead?
@janterri3539
@janterri3539 Жыл бұрын
@@ultimateblaze23 The value created from flank Moira is far better than spamming heals, did you watch the video?
@C-R.
@C-R. Жыл бұрын
@@ultimateblaze23 plat level take
@briangreenfield311
@briangreenfield311 10 ай бұрын
Like seriously. Like we have the same rank dude how did you get here crying like a toddler over every minor inconvenience??
@claudiablanco13
@claudiablanco13 7 ай бұрын
It’s a nuisance tbh, yesterday I was having 8k damage 8k healing in 9 minutes and my tank complained I wasn’t healing enough when she had a 1k - 6k lucio. Why do moiras get so much hate. I really don’t understand.
@KyouOneZilla
@KyouOneZilla Жыл бұрын
The heal orbs aren't neccessarily to build ult charge, it helps with tempo, otherwise you have to hide, drain health, or find a healthpack before going on the attack again.
@Schniebel89
@Schniebel89 Жыл бұрын
9:57 of course he uses 90% healing orb but mostly to heal himself
@thedofflin
@thedofflin Жыл бұрын
I think the way this works is by moving the frontline forward. Even if nobody is dying, the enemy team lose space simply by turning around to deal with you, then your team ends up in the 4v2 and pressures out the remaining 2 enemies, forcing them to fall back to the other 3.
@heavycritic9554
@heavycritic9554 Жыл бұрын
I've tried the playstyle several times and done well with it. I second what Nolan writes: probably about 90% are heal orbs for me too. The most important part of "TikTok Moira" is to stay alive. And whenever you have the chance, angle your self-heal orb to hit your team as well. Both to help and to not waste an ult-charge resource. Learn how to calculate angles and think about what you need to do.
@TheDudeCanRoll
@TheDudeCanRoll Жыл бұрын
I love playing Moira, she's a beast! Can easily lead in heals if you want or lead in damage done if you want... Great escapes and self healing.. a beast! I try to focus on what's needed, heal a bunch while pushing but if the DPS isn't getting it done I start focusing on DPS and it always turns the tide.
@anthonyy03x
@anthonyy03x Жыл бұрын
If I see a mercy on my team I usually put out big heals as Moira so they can focus on their dmg boost.
@syakiraiman3360
@syakiraiman3360 8 ай бұрын
"Random bullshit damage" most lore accurate description of Junk 😂😂😂
@sinless66
@sinless66 Жыл бұрын
I recently became a Moira main and I don’t understand the hate of a Moira with high damage AND high dealing. There have been countless games where my heals are leading the lobby while at the same time having damage on par with my dps. I wouldnt consider myself a dps Moira, but I still deal damage and pressure when appropriate (eg: throw damage orbs to pressure widow out of position, take 1v1s again isolated supports, etc.)
@zz8az
@zz8az 7 ай бұрын
my buddy is a flank moira, we started going ana moira duo, and nano-boosting moiras coal is lowkey unstoppable. My guy has won the teamfight for us every time we did the combo except the one time he was nailed by sleep dart
@PimpingWolfwood
@PimpingWolfwood Жыл бұрын
Games like this are why the Benny Hill theme song plays in my head every time I do backline Moira
@COOMmanderInChief
@COOMmanderInChief Жыл бұрын
I mean he does use heal orb a lot... on himself lmao
@Azimii
@Azimii Жыл бұрын
‘you can’t heal from this range’ as the winston gets the heals lmao. great vid love the moira mmm
@teytreet7358
@teytreet7358 Жыл бұрын
Maybe instead of trying to kill Moira, the goal might have been trying to kill mercy. Then they can't flank Moira since they would have no healing.
@emiliorosas-parlove
@emiliorosas-parlove Жыл бұрын
This true but mercy is a difficult character to kill considering her insane mobility
@chukadoo1871
@chukadoo1871 Жыл бұрын
as someone who plays moira as a mad scientist with little regard for life, the orb restoring juice is a huge QoL buff. the juice should never run out
@Midlighter
@Midlighter 6 ай бұрын
Every character has a kit that reflects their life. She's a former over/black watch member, oasis, current talon member. She is a biochemist that can. Change people. Moira is the epitome of survivability and adaptation. She can stay in the back and be a passive healer (but we already have an angel). She can also use her (frankly better than reaper's) shift and dark ball to harass and stay alive. Use everything she has to -do- everything. Limits are only in your mind
@gayplastic1237
@gayplastic1237 Жыл бұрын
Both DPS Moira and healbot Moira share the same counters. Burst damage.
@jasonreid9267
@jasonreid9267 Жыл бұрын
Which also happens to be the counter to basically every character in the game.
@actuallyjustanapple
@actuallyjustanapple Жыл бұрын
Kiriko, Bap, and Ana beg to differ. All 3 have means of insane heal bursts, or other means of reversing a burst into a winning trade. Hell throw lucio in there if u include ults.
@gayplastic1237
@gayplastic1237 Жыл бұрын
@@actuallyjustanapple this. Ana and bap have burst heals and kiriko can make you invulnerable and heal you during those I frames, so she might as well have a burst heal. Moira can heal a lot, 135 hps to be exact, but she still ends up doing heal per second healing. She can't save someone from a junkrat wombo combo. She also can't really properly duel a full hp junkrat because she does damage per second damage. And very low DPS at that.
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 Жыл бұрын
​@@jasonreid9267 it's almost as if you shouldn't be able to actively outheal incoming damage to the extent the support role is capable of doing When you can outheal any steady damage: the solution becomes to burst everything down The actual root cause of the issue is that healing numbers in this game are too high and there's no readily available soft antiheal (which is usually what games with extremely high healing throughput use to soft-check healing and make it impossible to directly outheal damage most of the time) You literally could have solved the entire GOATS meta by giving dps limited amounts of antiheal
@atagen2186
@atagen2186 7 ай бұрын
@@teejay1646slept on comment but 9 months later and most of the talking heads in ow are now pushing this point
@MrRokerMan
@MrRokerMan 8 ай бұрын
Very Helpful. Thanks for the content.
@donavonmarshall2641
@donavonmarshall2641 Жыл бұрын
Hey what outro song do you use? I used to hear it on something I can't remember what though. Great vid!
@stevelappy
@stevelappy Жыл бұрын
I do exactly this with kiriko though works just as well if not better in most cases tbh, been climbing for a couple of weeks and gone from gold to masters with it
@CHUCKZ2
@CHUCKZ2 Жыл бұрын
He’s really good at cycling through his fades and pee orbs when hitting the back line. Most Moiras will walk or fade into back line, wait for fade to come back and then damage orb, suck and fade back with team. A huge waste of time. He’s really not after blood like the TikTok moira hence all the pee orbs instead of damage orbs. He’s drawing a ton of attention and creating space like you said. He’ll even fade into their back and suck without being afraid of having no fade to get out bc he’ll just use pee orb and fade is back by the time he’s low, fades away and the cycle continues until at least he’s in a bad spot. It’s genius tbh
@theCometPM
@theCometPM Жыл бұрын
Not sure if this is good advice at all but when I fight moira as kiriko I normally get close up and try and mirror her strafes to make aiming easier. There's probably something I'm missing with the stand still strat.
@israalqamar5658
@israalqamar5658 Жыл бұрын
you stand still in a 1 v 1 against moira because she doesn't have to aim to hit you (Assuming no cover nearby). so just stand still and line up your shot.
@skarloeythomas5172
@skarloeythomas5172 Жыл бұрын
@@israalqamar5658 Or mirror her strafing and don't aim at all.
@notsosaltygator
@notsosaltygator Жыл бұрын
@@skarloeythomas5172 or stay calm
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 Жыл бұрын
Stand completely still and line your shots up she does the same amount of damage either way strafing just throws your aim off
@eugenekrabs6400
@eugenekrabs6400 Жыл бұрын
Getting close isn’t that bad of an idea tbh when using a projectile character against her, she deals the same dps at either range and if you can’t get out of it may as well try to make your target bigger.
@JL-ce2zv
@JL-ce2zv Жыл бұрын
How do you get those health status displays on the top corners of your screens?
@learnthesystem6622
@learnthesystem6622 Жыл бұрын
Climbed to GM 2 this season with Moria. It's definitely all about not panicking. You just have to stay in a fight till you almost die doing damage or healing in that priority. Do as much damage as you can but also never let your teammates die. Never use fade till you are 30 health or lower and never die either. You can fade if someone is using a life ending cooldown on you but you better be right about that. Don't just spam orbs. Every orb has to have a meaning. If you other support is alive you are almost always throwing damage orbs and short burst healing your team. Use your healing orbs mainly to save yourself or in the cases where your other support is dead. But never throw a healing orb when your main heals can do the job. Don't spam damage orbs either into open space where there are no opponents. Finally, just don't panic but be everywhere and involved in everything and don't die and you'll be GM in no time.
@ImagineCats9339
@ImagineCats9339 Жыл бұрын
can you do more educational videos like this please . this was really usefull
@timar6868
@timar6868 Жыл бұрын
this is not a good way to play so I wouldn't drink the coolaid, if the moira was healing instead their team would never have been pushed back at all .
@nicolaski5847
@nicolaski5847 Жыл бұрын
@timar6868 Yes it is he’s the top 1 moira p’ayer in the world and the other healer was a main healer so no need to focus on healing, at the start, he addmits he played bad and that’s why his team got pushed
@matty5304
@matty5304 8 ай бұрын
Moira- " I Heal!" Team- "yeah, yourself"
@GeorgeWPush
@GeorgeWPush 2 ай бұрын
No
@liberissimson4099
@liberissimson4099 Жыл бұрын
How do you make your display like that ? Or is that only for PC
@JuiceBoxHero008
@JuiceBoxHero008 8 ай бұрын
Excellent vid! Question though why is Moiras orb yellow at times?
@jasperdawnstar8530
@jasperdawnstar8530 Жыл бұрын
I play moira as i play my tracer, looking for opportunities and keep the pressure going from angles they dont expect. Also if you fade in a quick circle and then jump you can jump even higher then going straight and jumping
@patrickrodriguez8797
@patrickrodriguez8797 Жыл бұрын
The damage orb change really changed the way I play Moira. If I exhausted my piss during a won team fight, instead of using the heal orb I’d chuck a damage orb to the enemy spawn to restore a bit of piss which I would then use to heal my teammates. I could also sustain the heals while helping deal a bit of damage to squishies. Pretty OP change but I don’t mind it.
@DinosaurSuccess
@DinosaurSuccess Жыл бұрын
reminds me a lot of drain tank types of builds in league. fiddlesticks type stuff
@LupiLupita_
@LupiLupita_ Жыл бұрын
I really want to watch more of Nolan, but I can't seem to find where to watch him play, does someone know?
@karlherrmann4643
@karlherrmann4643 6 ай бұрын
Great gameplay Love Moi. That's how I use her,it works when your team is working with it.
@robertmanzi983
@robertmanzi983 Жыл бұрын
I‘m actually using heal orb 90% of the time … to heal myself
@Schoenmann3
@Schoenmann3 5 ай бұрын
I haven't seen another Moira use the vertical orb technique in my entire life until now, FINALLY someone thinks like me xD
@shogun_414
@shogun_414 8 ай бұрын
Yupp, adding that 3rd point rollout to my memory bank
@Gapeh0rn
@Gapeh0rn Жыл бұрын
Really good analysis ty
@BearsDenOneinVain
@BearsDenOneinVain Жыл бұрын
Awesome video!
@kyonshi77
@kyonshi77 Жыл бұрын
Moira main here. I wouldnt say he's a DPS Moira, its one of the most balanced Moiras i've seen, honestly. And with some extra aggressiveness spice. Its a very audacious and daring way to play, sure, but he still keep in mind that healing builds up much more Utl charge than anything. And he does heal a lot his buddies and himself. Thing is, at this rank, players are much more coordinated and dont have pathetic self-preservation instincts. Im in Diamond and i gotta keep more in the back line than going on a hard flanking approach. I will chase some folks who come too close for comfort and against which im sure i can win a duel, but otherwise, unless i observe that my teammates know very well what they're doing, i remain a bit more conservative than him. The only time i'll flank deeper is only when i can have my team in sight. And then the minute things get way too heated up, i'll fall back to a safer spot.
@IriaChannel
@IriaChannel 7 ай бұрын
18:48 you can fade jump the metal bar thing on the side of the wall. But if you mess it up you fall to your death.
@razrv3lc
@razrv3lc Жыл бұрын
He’s playing Moira like Sombra. You’re not there to necessarily get a ton of elims. You’re there to constantly pull agro backwards, like an dive tank in the backlines.
@Despzh0r
@Despzh0r 7 ай бұрын
Late to the party, but you can fade jump into the high ground directly bouncing on the pipes without any parkour boxes shenanigans ;o)
@jalyntan3044
@jalyntan3044 Жыл бұрын
I never realized how much I panic faded til I saw this damn
@Moralozki
@Moralozki 7 ай бұрын
i often play support moira a lot, but sometimes i play as flank moira and it works a lot if you have a main healer, you dont do a lot of damage or healing overall, but the time You spent disctracting the enemies works everytime
@modinho
@modinho Жыл бұрын
I will never forget the moira i went against few days ago. I swear she was the most annoying moira i have ever met. She kept flanking my supporters everytime the dps and tank was busy fighting the enemy tank and dps.
@ItSnowsInHell
@ItSnowsInHell Жыл бұрын
I'm super new to overwatch In general but I've picked up on stuff really quick and this is literally something I've been trying to to tell my buddy that I can do but I'm still learning the maps and people's play style but this has done wonders for me. Even getting an aggressive Mercy down that's not something people expect but doesn't hurt the team while doing extra damage to get clutch elim for some fights. Definitely love how much there is to learn with this game. They did a good job imo. I come from fps shooters.
@ItSnowsInHell
@ItSnowsInHell Жыл бұрын
My main counter has been team play of any kind. It's really hard to take out multiple people if you used a heal.orb to save yourself/someone. Damage orb can help vs multiple but higher skill level good luck. 🤷‍♂️
@teejay1646
@teejay1646 Жыл бұрын
Every new player always goes through their "throw the game on damage support" phase before they eventually learn their fundamentals
@ItSnowsInHell
@ItSnowsInHell Жыл бұрын
@@teejay1646 as DPS moria though you can do a lot if the enemy isn't countering you. The amount of times I had a good team keeping me alive while I'm in the front lines with them doing the little extra basically negating a pocket with raw DPS or forcing the pocket to push away cuz I'm sucking them from an alternative angle. Definitely requires lots of healing awareness though as you are in the shit so keeping your help alive is the main key. Poking is 2nd.
@gurgleblaster2282
@gurgleblaster2282 Жыл бұрын
Would love a video on how to play tank work dps Moira.
@TheGamer-fz6gy
@TheGamer-fz6gy 8 ай бұрын
If you're healing and damage are about the same on moira are you playing her correctly?
@timinator20o0
@timinator20o0 Жыл бұрын
This feels somewhat similar to how a ball would play. But a lot more constant.
@aposslex
@aposslex Жыл бұрын
I’ve been doing pretty well with Orissa in Plat. Didn’t realise she was as bad as roadhog with the the damage drop off. But if you position well and cycle your cool-downs she’s invincible and has great point presence. No idea why her win rate is so low, maybe people not adjusting to the damage drop off nerf?
@BrambleJam
@BrambleJam 6 ай бұрын
Ive noticed that as i play with moira, when i shoot the heal orb, it allows me to focus more of my damage beam on the enemies, and I still get decent healing. Though unfortunately, im super low elo, so its just a crap shoot.
@ToolboxMotley
@ToolboxMotley Жыл бұрын
That's how I played Scout in TF2; get in the back and survive, distracting as much of the enemy team as possible.
@Dr.Slaughter
@Dr.Slaughter 11 ай бұрын
When I do this playstyle, ill usially try to take out a squishy support or a dps thats less likely to easily delete me. I have many options. Heal orb to keep me alive or send one to my team to heal, Damage orb to get the kill easier, Fade away to safety, Or keep my abilities and try to kill with just my suck.
@dekyor9547
@dekyor9547 Жыл бұрын
I'd say the play is ignoring her and try to roll the enemy team as fast as possible. Her survivability and ability to escape make her a really slippery hero to kill
@thecakeisaspy5540
@thecakeisaspy5540 Жыл бұрын
good video fr but what you said at 15:26 was crazy
@pierreaoun9600
@pierreaoun9600 Жыл бұрын
Average KarQ innuendo
@cristobalgarces1675
@cristobalgarces1675 Жыл бұрын
I like to Bully Hanzos and WIdows with Moira if I'm support. Kinda map dependent, but it's always great if you can make them switch off.
@wrench_boi
@wrench_boi Жыл бұрын
I played a match on new queen street where i was ana and our other support was moira. They had 500 heals by the end on the game. I could feel my brain worms acting up every time i hit tab. Somehow we won
@charlesiiofengland3608
@charlesiiofengland3608 Жыл бұрын
the craziest thing about this playstyle to me is that when he leaves a flank, he goes backwards into first point spawn. usually i would try to fall back to my team, but forcing the enemy to either over-commit into oblivion or ignore you is interesting.
@vgrants1717
@vgrants1717 7 ай бұрын
It's basically the same way I play Genji. Maybe I should start playing Moira.
@samk3141
@samk3141 Жыл бұрын
I want to see this played with a sombra :P
@zeyrald
@zeyrald Жыл бұрын
I try to do that and I get called shit because my 2nd healer is ass, so I always have to be the main healer because they're the real ass, but stupid teammates don't understand
@GucciGengar.
@GucciGengar. 6 ай бұрын
yes its a heal orb, buts its a self heal orb to sustain being away from his team, might as well be a damage orb.
@dangerbeans9639
@dangerbeans9639 Жыл бұрын
Against DPS Moira, I usually just go defensive Moira and ignore her. I’ve literally had games where there’s a Moira behind me hitting me it’s her grasp and I just heal my team and use healing Orb to cancel out her damage. Using Damage Orbs to get Resource. It just shuts her down.
@nightsxgames
@nightsxgames Жыл бұрын
Yeah Hog's are my bane - he does high damage alone but you cant fade until you bait hook unless you can full escape, or he can just locate you and hook into a kill., Widow and Hanzo are a threat but worth focusing as moira is evasive so if you can pressure them you lower the chance they can get that 1 shot vs you or a teammate and with no self heal and low HP, you can get the kills on them. Junk is dangerous because of trap and his damage. Mei snipe is annoying occasionally but feels RNG... I love me some Moira chess - I might not be anywhere near #1, but I contribute to more wins than losses lol.
@Blorckits
@Blorckits Жыл бұрын
The counter is literally just torb lololol
@omirewards4822
@omirewards4822 Жыл бұрын
i try this style for real great gameplay, mix healing and flank dps is jizz
@55MAK55
@55MAK55 Жыл бұрын
He uses heal balls a lot, but he seems to mostly be healing himself. The other support probably had 20K heals
@davidperezvazquez7856
@davidperezvazquez7856 6 ай бұрын
Ngl it’s pretty interesting to see high elo moiras expressing skill and playing unconventionally. However, and this is a big HOWEVER, this really only works in high elo because in order to flank Moira, your team has to have the game sense to capitalize off of 1-2 second openings and notice when the opponent supps aren’t looking. Additionally, while you play hyper-offensive Moira, your team is down a supp so they have to have good positioning and game sense to not fall apart. Lot of factors but very cool to see this work
@andydodson3480
@andydodson3480 Жыл бұрын
So coming from a gm moira main I play her a little differently I kinda play with the tank but I do damage majority of the time to their tank and what squishes with lower health I feel like she gets the most value in a 5v5 you know it's a bad Moira when they pop there ult when they already won or lost the team fight
@mitchellsalazar6276
@mitchellsalazar6276 Жыл бұрын
If you know how to use cover well Moira works well
@sergeyson423
@sergeyson423 Жыл бұрын
And that is how KarQ born an evil
@sagestrings869
@sagestrings869 9 ай бұрын
at 2:20 if nolan got the health pack he would have lived but he missed by a little bit
@bundtsubbies
@bundtsubbies Ай бұрын
it works cause your distracting the backline from supporting the tank and sometimes distracting the tank themself, also soloulting the enemy support is the best way to distract other players
@claudiuspulcher2440
@claudiuspulcher2440 Жыл бұрын
"dps moira can only work in bronze" no I don't think so...
@anthonymalkov4056
@anthonymalkov4056 Жыл бұрын
i wouldn’t say the only threat is ana’s sleep dart if kiriko lands a headshot on moira she’s dead she has a big head for a support
@rays.1899
@rays.1899 Жыл бұрын
I guess the main thing is what can Moira flanking do that a damage hero couldn't? Is taking that support slot to do this more valuable than a Tracer, Genji, or Sombra doing the same thing?
@combsmsb
@combsmsb Жыл бұрын
An insane amount of survivability that not a single damage hero has, except maybe Sombrero. And the ability to fall back and just heal if needed
@peakingmantis5331
@peakingmantis5331 Жыл бұрын
Sleep dart has a wind up sound that you can hear before it shoots? I didn't even hear this I need to turn my volume up lol
@jundossantos
@jundossantos Жыл бұрын
Does this dude have a twitch? I wanna watch his games.
@terencetsai8278
@terencetsai8278 Жыл бұрын
Just as effective as a cracked Tracer with 1/4 the mechanical skill :D
@StilllFly
@StilllFly Жыл бұрын
As a Moira (and other supports) main I'd say the best counter to flank Moira are Torb(Turret backline) and Orisa's javelin
@shiyang5414
@shiyang5414 Жыл бұрын
Can you share more his video with your description
@ewra1151
@ewra1151 Жыл бұрын
You could have tried to match strafe for easier shot?
@iamthelambsauce9011
@iamthelambsauce9011 6 ай бұрын
Love nolan! Hes the best coach ever frl (hes my collegiate team coach and im learning moira from him, its caotic asf 😂)
@KaiDub24
@KaiDub24 Жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn’t have nor want tik tok I’m glad I finally have an explanation on what the heck a tik tok Moira even is lol
@nicholaswilliams7864
@nicholaswilliams7864 Жыл бұрын
I just finally hit diamond 3 as a tictoc Moira. I'm prob 80 dps to 20 heal. But I adjust my play style from defense to offense
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