$100,000 Neve Console FAILED in under SIX MONTHS!

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27 күн бұрын

I worked my whole life to finally be able to afford a legendary Neve console. And here's my experience dealing with its failure. And how it sounds vs Reaper!
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@nunninkav 25 күн бұрын

if you buy a neve at Walmart and they ask if you want to add the extended warranty for $3.99 say YES!!

@Machinedmetal 24 күн бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂

@snickpickle 23 күн бұрын

Great laugh for the day! Hahaha!

@CyberChrist 26 күн бұрын

The "I'm not angry, just disappointed" dad energy is overwhelming, lol.

@jaakkolamminpaa7959 26 күн бұрын

My friend once said this was the most devastating thing her dad has ever said. She said that she has thereafter lived her life to make that he would never speak those words again. So never underestimate the power of disappointment.

@snickpickle 23 күн бұрын

@@jaakkolamminpaa7959 Been there!

@AudioPilz 25 күн бұрын

We had a Neve at audio engineering school and it was never NOT broken...;) I feel you!!!

@AlexanderKorotkov42 21 күн бұрын

is it bad gear then?

@michieladriaansens5977 19 күн бұрын

@@AlexanderKorotkov42 fragile.. it couldn't handle the amount of users from his school it seems.

@ledheavy26 19 күн бұрын

It's ticking all the boxes .

@Pascalc67sound 14 күн бұрын

Omg😮

@jtsotherone 3 күн бұрын

@AudioPilz was it an SAE by any chance?

@itsgmani 25 күн бұрын

The worst when this happens is you lose trust in it. You’re gonna cross your fingers every time you start it now and hope it will work. Forever

@G60syncro 19 күн бұрын

@@itsgmani I had the same problem with a couple of Presonus interfaces that gave me the red eye of death... Burned me away from the brand! I got a pair of Motu 8 channel interfaces for 16 analog inputs and never looked back!! Oh and they've been bulletproof for the past ten years!!!

@fernandoviana6620 15 күн бұрын

Yeah, just like a faulty car that you are now afraid to take out.

@TylerJohnstonGuitar 26 күн бұрын

If I’m spending 100K on a piece of gear, it better outlive my grandkids, never mind myself.

@ThatGuysGuitars 26 күн бұрын

Sadly, it’ll probably last 10-15 at best. Either thru the components failing, or the software connectivity becoming obsolete.

@dojoguitare 26 күн бұрын

This is why I prefer to work with non-computer stuff (except the Focusrite 18i20) and analog gear, not because I'm a tone snob, but because it can be repaired.

@Jeremya74 26 күн бұрын

😂 wishful thinking

@despoticmusic 26 күн бұрын

For $100k - I want the lifespan of an Egyptian pyramid!

@dannelson6980 26 күн бұрын

Sony was the worst for this, which is why they lost so much market share.

@pads-zr9ln 26 күн бұрын

Remember kids, buying expensive gear doesnt make it better

@216trixie 26 күн бұрын

And if you want to buy good stuff it is going to cost you more though.

@user-uo9cy2ep2h 26 күн бұрын

😂😂 😂 Damn!

@allanallan4791 26 күн бұрын

Where have we heard that before? Ahahaha

@oriontackett7643 26 күн бұрын

And not every failure is due to lack of effort. Even the most well engineered cars like konneggseigg have issues once in a while. There's literally no way to make anything tangible prefect

@DannyG-cv8so 26 күн бұрын

Absolutely nothing is built to last anymore. It’s pathetic really

@tylerkeller7120 22 күн бұрын

Putting computers in his consoles is the exact reason why Rupert Neve was pushed out of his original company he never thought they were reliable enough and thought that they would only lead to more failures in his system and probably close to 40 years later hes still right

@taviqmasteringonline2754 16 күн бұрын

I agree 💯. What they're doing is exactly what you said. I think they should: - Keep the analog console analog. - Use ADAT or something like that to get the channel information directly to the Console and back to the DAW as an insert. Just like a regular audio interface. - Put a stupid simple and small thumbprint Operating System in the Console that allows you to have recall; functionality nothing crazy more than that. Why is that so hard. No, just like windows 10 Midway til now, we have to try and add everything under the sun in it. Just keep it simple.

@ExodusAttacKGR 8 күн бұрын

true that

@TmanUtube 25 күн бұрын

I worked as an electrician for a massive TV production company where most of our work was OB in the early 2000s. We had 4 Digital HD trucks of the 12 in total. We had Neve consoles in all 4 of these HD trucks, as an audio nerd I was in awe of these things when i started. Not so much the repair crew, I don't remember a single week where these desk didn't have a tech working on them. It got to a point that Neve were sending technicians to Australia almost every other month. Eventually, these consoles were ripped out & replaced with Yamaha from memory. Not as featured filled as the Neve, but reliability in TV was king.

@TheStrykerProject 26 күн бұрын

For $100,000, Neve should be shipping overnight and the swap should be 'plug and play'.

@dogpdsound 23 күн бұрын

User Error isnt covered

@444Inlakesh 23 күн бұрын

@@dogpdsound Windows guys always blame "user error" lol Software is broken and its the user fault, classic.

@jaycoleman8062 23 күн бұрын

Remember the joke where Gates brought everyone to the office for a good/bad news meeting. The bad thing is the world is ending tomorrow. The good news is we won't have to fix Windows...

@KC-bi9jw 23 күн бұрын

that's....that's what he said they did...in the video...

@dalex2902 26 күн бұрын

Did you try turning it off, and then on again?

@Wilco1972 26 күн бұрын

Or blowing on it?

@snickpickle 23 күн бұрын

Or employing “impact maintenance” (smacking it, hard or soft)?

@G60syncro 22 күн бұрын

Or turn it onto channel 3... Or switch it to AUX or hit input a couple of times!!!

@damham5689 19 күн бұрын

Time to float check it. Take it to the nearest lake and toss it in. If it floats, its fine.

@ExodusAttacKGR 8 күн бұрын

really bro? xD its a console not ur gameboy

@TimBoykinGuitar 13 күн бұрын

Perhaps worthy to note: in the 1960s, American recording studios were operated by actual engineers. The soundboard wasn’t ordered from a catalog or online retailer. When a channel went bad, the engineers would open it up and fix it right away. They knew how to do that because they had designed and built the mixer themselves. When I found this out, it blew my mind, and I realized that there’s an enormous technical gab between studio engineers then and now. I hate seeing your gear go on the fritz, and I’d be powerless myself to fix it. But those mid-20th century guys seemed to have had the “right stuff” as it were.

@davidmorales1136 7 күн бұрын

One of the reasons that each channel strip has its own "flavor". That's what gave it is unique character.

@Stefan- 26 күн бұрын

Sitting here writing this on my 12+ year old Windows PC that has been used very very much an hard and where not one part has been replaced except for a harddrive (not system drive)that i took from my previous computer which already had a number of years on it, the system drive is still the 12+ year old Samsung SSD. Also the previous computer from 2005 also runs fine with all its original parts including harddrive. This is of course as anecdotal as anyones experience, but in my experience i havent really had any big computer problems since i got windows 7 and now on windows 10 i have never even reinstalled it, its been extremely stable. In the windows XP days it was way more common with problems, i had to ghost the computer since sometimes viruses were impossible to remove and also other problems, i say that as someone that loved XP.

@kagisokgabo3601 15 күн бұрын

I avoid shady sites and "foreign" flash drives and generally never put my flash drives in other devices my own or Macs.. Usually superstable for yearrrrs!

@caelenselke-minogue 26 күн бұрын

I think the correct response is: "My disappointment is... immeasurable... and my day is ruined."

@jasonboyce9650 26 күн бұрын

Is Harley Benton making consoles, yet?

@ryanriggs9963 26 күн бұрын

Give them a few years I'm sure they'll try lol

@TranscendentBen 26 күн бұрын

It would run some form of Linux, as the price wouldn't cover the Windows license fee.

@mathrack 26 күн бұрын

LOL

@Mezurashii5 26 күн бұрын

@@TranscendentBen And would be better for it.

@davidwilson6577 26 күн бұрын

Thomann are selling them, at least.

@marianomazzieri6560 26 күн бұрын

I bet the issue was caused by a Windows update that left the system corrupted. Perhaps the computer was turned off while updating. The only way I know it could be fixed is by recovering from a restore point, which are automatically saved so long you have this feature activated.

@sawyercustom 16 күн бұрын

I love my LP8's neem beating them for years and they rarely ever get turned off. I'm super happy I watched your show and bought them as per your recommendations.

@vincebagadonis8016 26 күн бұрын

Know this: The windows "automatic repair" has NEVER EVER repaired anyone's windows. Ever. The feature is just there to give you false hope.

@ChrisHopkinsBass 26 күн бұрын

I work as an IT tech at a UK university. Whenever the automatic repair option comes up on a computer I’m working on, I reach for my USB stick to reinstall Windows

@trevorus 26 күн бұрын

I actually have had it fix an issue. Probably a drive error issue, like fixing MBR or some such. Anything beyond that, I don’t know even what it does.

@kalidesu 26 күн бұрын

Agreed, something like Macrium Reflect, Acronis, Paragon, DriveImage XML (The list goes on) Has saved me many times.

@justinvzu01 26 күн бұрын

It can fix small faults in the file system and replace missing files. That's about it.

@MykEviiL 26 күн бұрын

Haha

@Buffrt66 26 күн бұрын

The more bells and whistles a system has, the more possibilities of shit hitting the fan.

@LewisBlackwellMusic 24 күн бұрын

It's so rough to see when I've followed your channel for so many years, seen how much it's grown and the tremendous amount of work you've put in too to get to this desk!!!

@vigilantestylez 25 күн бұрын

It should have never been designed around its own computer. It should have been designed to connect to your own, and it should run without one. This is why consoles are obsolete. The console workflow and sound are not, but the consoles themselves are too much of a pain in the ass. I have Harrison Mixbus, and if my computer for that goes down, I just install Harrison Mixbus on another computer and keep going. Consoles are sexy no doubt, and probably a lot of fun, but this and other headaches people get with consoles are why many are selling and decommissioning them now.

@despoticmusic 26 күн бұрын

The longevity question is absolutely key. We now live in a world where built in obsolescence is a design paradigm. For a $30 gizmo that is probably not too bad, but in the $thousands range, it is completely unacceptable. I feel for you man!

@maysonstorm4956 26 күн бұрын

Ikr. I know right. I had a pair of Mackie HR monitors that I have used since the late 90s that finally "died" on me a few months ago. Since I am more hobbyist than serious engineer now, I couldn't justify (to myself or my wife) spending $1500 and up for a set of monitors so I started looking at budget options. And boy, the amount of reviews complaining about a lot of these things failing within a year or two (or barely out of warranty) was frightening. I ended up buying a set of Adam A7Xs and I guess I'll just have to keep my fingers crossed for a few years.

@digiscream 26 күн бұрын

It's not even designed-in obsolescence from Neve - the consequence of using a commercial operating system is that you're shit out of luck as soon as Microsoft decide it's no longer supported. You don't even get any shelter from that if you use a Mac - Apple's support window is even shorter. And, of course, you can't even update it because the hardware's going to be completely proprietary. Please tell me nobody's connecting these things to the Internet...

@cynicaloutlook 26 күн бұрын

Blame Taiwan - in the late 90's they fucked up some state-sponsored industrial espionage that resulted in virtually every electronic device (since most of it was made in Taiwan at that point) failing after a few months. They stole the formula for low-cost capacitors that were supposed to have a long lifespan and passed it on to all the Taiwanese factories, only the forumula they stole was actually a trap, and was designed to fail after a grace period. As a result, consumer expectations lowered to the point were we now expect electronics to stop working after a year or so, instead of lasting for decades like they did before all this went down.

@EasyHeat 26 күн бұрын

@despoticmusic I couldn't agree more

@EasyHeat 26 күн бұрын

@@cynicaloutlook Honestly don't blame Taiwan. Blame the corporate industry for cheap labor exploitation. Comparatively Korean made components like capacitors & relays of the same era were also notoriously failure prone well into early 2000's products! I know because I've had to physically replace several. Ever hear of original Xbox consoles overtime bricking themselves unplugged sitting on a shelf?! That's why. Because the shotty Korean capacitors would literally swell, burst, and thus inevitably kill the PCB motherboard. Another reason why I'd always recommend anyone who's buying a vintage tube amp, or one older than the 2010's?!! To consider getting a modern capacitor upgrade job done. By a PROFESSIONAL though!! I once saw some dumbass stick both hands into the back of his Sovtek MIG 50 and get zapped nearly across the FN room!!! #deathcapacitor .

@FatNorthernBigot 26 күн бұрын

A grievance with Neve is called a "Neve-ance".

@deltanine6497 26 күн бұрын

👏😺👍🍾🙌

@slayabouts 25 күн бұрын

Get out

@ExodusAttacKGR 8 күн бұрын

too soon bro wer not there yet :D

@TwoBassed 26 күн бұрын

Hey Glen, 6 months into a warranty is far far better than 1 day outside of the warranty!

@brownie_the_3rd 25 күн бұрын

The phased flipped comparisons were quite interesting, really confirmed that I wasn't just imagining hearing more in the neve mixes.

@DudeMcGuybro 26 күн бұрын

"I AM NOT ANGRY" Yeah okay, and I'm the fuckin Pope! I'd be livid 😂

@rantanen1 26 күн бұрын

I've noticed that I get angry at the 'small stuff' but if something goes catastrophically to shit, I don't even get mad, I just try to figure out how to fix it and if there's anything I can do. There's like a threshold and past that point I don't even feel anger anymore.

@snickpickle 14 күн бұрын

@@rantanen1 I totally relate to getting easily frustrated, yet in major crises, being fairly calm… usually.

@TheOriginalEUrban 26 күн бұрын

Now you have a giant table you can't even put a coffee on.

@JacoGouws-bs7pw 25 күн бұрын

I think I'll stick to an audio interface and a pair of 5" studio monitors if expensive equipment like this is just going to fail after 6 months...

@juniorsilvabroadcast 11 күн бұрын

Get a DAW controller from a great brand like ICO and you will have a nice workflow. Almost like a real mixing board

@katielowen 26 күн бұрын

$100,000 for a software based appliance is craaaazy 😔💀

@sparella 25 күн бұрын

Welcome to the world of CNC machining.

@TheGaryHughes 26 күн бұрын

Spending 100k on products that breakdown is surprisingly common right now

@SuperChaoticus 26 күн бұрын

Time to buy a Cybertruck and double the fun.

@atonofspiders 26 күн бұрын

Space truck, anyone?

@davidwilson6577 26 күн бұрын

Spending 100k... common...

@fredscallietsoundman9701 22 күн бұрын

Hey you can buy a Boing for $100,000,000 and it'll still fail you.

@FrogCabin-in5wd 26 күн бұрын

Glenn's Lament: "Where it's at I got two dead computers and a microphone..."

@pierreblenderbuss9807 26 күн бұрын

Take me home with my Windsor bones Do it That was a good drum break

@joshuaporterfield6774 26 күн бұрын

@@pierreblenderbuss9807too bad we couldn’t get it on tape…

@brymills 25 күн бұрын

@@joshuaporterfield6774if it had been an analogue mixer and tape it would have been fine….

@trulsdirio 21 күн бұрын

The dude that makes fun of players buing 3k guitars that aren't any better than cheaper ones bought a 100k comsole and got burned. Poetic justice. And now he starts asking the questions about longevity anybody with half a braincell would have asked before spending one hundred fuggin gramd on it.

@kylefrancesco8806 26 күн бұрын

Man, is that is a bummer? that piece of equipment has been impressive. love the videos. rock on

@melissabell585 26 күн бұрын

As neat as the Genesys desks are... There's buying a console, and then there's buying a fly-by-wire nearly completely digitally controlled console that is mostly dead when the computer goes down. This is why I greatly prefer the approach of something like the API 2448 - fully analog board, completely optional traditional moving-faders automation as a small embedded system that also speaks MCU over USB. Their automation is great, and if it does go down, all the primary features of your desk are still working.

@QuickQuips 26 күн бұрын

I'm surprised a Rupert Neve 5088 wasn't considered either. It's an analog console by the legend and deliberately isn't digital.

@melissabell585 26 күн бұрын

@@QuickQuips I'm not sure how many preamps and EQ modules Glen's Genesys has, but the 5088 configured with a comparable channel count, with preamps and EQ on all channels, is potentially in a substantially different price bracket. The 2448 is priced much closer to comparable regardless.

@lancetownsend6226 26 күн бұрын

Absolutely. Analog equipment is repairable. I don't buy gear that requires software to work properly. Because eventually it'll be an extremely expensive paperweight

@zonarecordingstudio 26 күн бұрын

I think the genesis is a great console thing is I don’t live in England. I live here in New York much easier to service my Api love it.

@snoolee7950 18 күн бұрын

wuz going to say API or RND but it is great how Glenn has outed this situation and how a computer based analog desk is two horse gallops from getting bricked. Wow! Great story.

@KaldDodeGitarist 26 күн бұрын

I can't believe it's not Linux-based.

@Sylkis89 26 күн бұрын

With the hell that JACK, Pulse, and Linux audio in general are? I absolutely totally can believe they didn't want to touch Linux lol

@Mommythief0069 26 күн бұрын

It should be cross compatible eith Linux, windows and Mac

@InTheSh8 26 күн бұрын

What does it help if it is maybe a hardware prob 😂?

@U99DrunkDinosaur 26 күн бұрын

@@Sylkis89 wdym? JACK is amazing

@TheDemocrab 26 күн бұрын

@@Sylkis89 I mean, I get that but it's still less of a headache than...most everything else with Windows.

@vince89503 25 күн бұрын

Hope you get back on track Glenn. Thanks for your insights into music stuff

@kevinbatchelor9566 26 күн бұрын

Definitely a huge bummer man. Really sorry that happened. Fear of computer failure is one of the reasons I opted for console that didn’t have a computer built into it. I hope they get you sorted really soon.

@ericwagner2997 26 күн бұрын

Has the Neve now become the Gibson of consoles? All kidding aside, I work in IT and have seen things fail right out of the box. I always joke that the sweat shop kids overseas had a bad day when those particular components were manufactured.

@gpi66 26 күн бұрын

Haha I have similar experiences, very expensive IT equipment failing fight after install. Linux, Windows based, proprietary OS I've seen it all.

@QuickQuips 26 күн бұрын

Maybe Fender. There's a G&L equivalent with Rupert Neve Designs.

@jackkosto 26 күн бұрын

Any inkling of a faint desire to own a console down the line totally evaporated for me upon watching this. Hope it gets resolved for you, thanks for making this video and the transparency and vulnerability in it!

@timothybenton1189 18 күн бұрын

Thanks for this video. For so many reasons. Like all of us, I'm looking forward to seeing this settled for you. I listened to your A/B mixes on my Dynaudio 5M5a monitors. I really liked the Neve mixes. If those Reaper mixes were mine, I'd be stoked AF..... andI'd still want a Neve. 😂

@video826 14 күн бұрын

Glennnnnnn! The commercial for your summer slam pack commercial took me back to the days of "Crazy Eddy" with prices so low he's insane!!!!!!!

@OldManandtheGHome 26 күн бұрын

Thanks for this episode Glenn!!!

@CoyleCustoms 26 күн бұрын

sometimes i wish i had a console, but then i remember how often the maintenance guys were working on the ones in the berklee studios. seemed like one of them was down every few weeks

@CoyleCustoms 26 күн бұрын

ofc it was 2017-9 and the digital consoles still ran on windows xp lol

@MG53v8 21 күн бұрын

What goes wrong with them usually, sounds quite insane how often they fail?

@drintro 22 күн бұрын

Your Kali recommendation is spot on. I went from mixing in headphones to using the Kali's and its night and day.

@aweidner8757 26 күн бұрын

Wow, I feel your pain Glenn. I have a Neve 8424 console with motorized faders. I’ve had it less than a year and the right side of the master channel went out, no sound. I’ve been in contact with Neve support and they have been very helpful assisting with the diagnosis and sending me the replacement part. Though I do wish it was moving along a little faster as it’s been 2.5 weeks since the ticket was opened. Just received a “lower monitor board” replacement from Neve today and now need to arrange a tech to come over and install it. Fingers crossed this works. I understand things break and Neve support has been very helpful, just a little let down it only took this long for something to break. Praying this fixes the issue and the console is solid for years to come. Though I definitely will be considering purchasing the Neve Care extended warranty once my 2 year is up.

@digiscream 26 күн бұрын

For everyone saying it's a hardware issue...it's _incredibly_ rare for previously-working hardware to just fail (EDIT: I mean after six months of working perfectly, and after being burn-in tested on leaving a low-volume manufacturer). It's far more likely file corruption due to the heavy shutdown, and Windows really doesn't deal with that very well. Embedded systems like this should be shipped with a factory disk image on a second drive, so it can be restored to factory settings at any time. Even better, they should come with the capacity for the customer to create and store their own (configured) image at any time. With the prices Neve charge for their desks, it would be a negligible additional cost, and would actually save them money in support costs, for the sake of a bit of development time and £200 on a second NVMe drive (it doesn't even need to be an expensive one, a cheap QLC drive would do the job - doesn't need buckets of endurance, since writes would be _very_ rare). It would also save them from serious reputational damage in terms of the lack of business continuity experienced by their customers.

@Homanjer 26 күн бұрын

That's just not true. Yes, the likelihood of hardware failure goes down after a couple of months, but most hardware that fails, fails within weeks and months of being first used, not seconds. Hell, I've had a GPU die two years into use before, without OC or any shenanigans like that. A friend currently struggles with a faulty GPU, which is about 1 year old. Infant mortality of hardware can easily range within months of first being used, and saying "it's incredibly rare" is just false. Especially with modern production, where devices and electronics are tested enough to relatively safely rule out that it will be broken upon unboxing. But of course you can't see into the future and tell if a tiny little part on the device is gonna fail 6 months down the line.

@EivindFalken 26 күн бұрын

For sure Glenn is aware of UPS

@zanzabar4ky7 26 күн бұрын

Kontron uses EMMC in their default devices, and has everything soldered in (as most tablets have,) That is not OK for something like a console controller. It should have an off the shelf ITX board for embedded systems with changeable ram/storage and use eDP to drive the display.

@Imal00ter20 26 күн бұрын

It's not even a LITTLE bit true that hardware failure is rare. Where are you getting that from? Hardware failures after several months are fairly common, if not even expected. That's why having backups and restore points for job-crucial components is as critical as it is.

@warp9988 26 күн бұрын

@@EivindFalken He's running a UPS a lot better than you can buy at Staples, and a power conditioner unit, for sure.

@dannyprecysroadtoforever5234 26 күн бұрын

That's a hardware issue and not a Windows issue. Windows is more than capable of running audio reliably.

@oriontackett7643 26 күн бұрын

Bingo!!!

@DannyG-cv8so 26 күн бұрын

True, but absolutely nothing is built to last anymore…. It’s pathetic really

@petetk 26 күн бұрын

Windows is much harder to troubleshoot then mac in my experience.

@donoteatglass 26 күн бұрын

Yeah, I've been on Windows since 95. I use Windows not only for my audio recording but also use it for SolidWorks, Cinema 4D, blender and Maya. I can't tell you the last time I saw a blue screen of death. Mac might be easier if you don't want to learn how to use a computer.

@Dnylpz94 26 күн бұрын

Windows is way harder to fix than Linux and that’s insane considering Linux is the “enthusiast” OS

@HomeGuitarMods 25 күн бұрын

If it sounds good it is good. Been a fan for years and learned a lot. Keep it up Glen!

@JamesSouza756 21 күн бұрын

The reaper mix all ready sounds so nice that’s because you are really good at this job, when I hear the console it’s offering a bit more by adding something to it, especially with the drums, if I was your client I would pay for the console mix

@juanmartinvk 26 күн бұрын

This kind of form factor for a device is designed to exist in another era. Computers didn't exist or were much more serviceable, studios had resident electronics technicians who worked full time on maintenance, service manuals and individual parts were much more accessible without any of this corporate BS. As amazing as they are, these consoles are pretty much unfeasible to own and use professionally and dependably today.

@geoffsprock 26 күн бұрын

Everytime I think I want a console, I remind myself of all the times I sat around waiting for the studio techs to fix them when I was working in different studios. My perspective comes from a hobbyist mindset though. I am not doing this for a living anymore. Glenn, I hope you get it all taken care of, and can get back to your normal work flow with ZERO issues in the future.

@torbenmeyercobourgrailfan9315 26 күн бұрын

why do you even need one? Just get one of those API lunchboxes and use channel strips. Should have the same effect..

@peterlawlor5237 22 күн бұрын

The mixing desk: a great ergonomic concept that always breaks down. This video reminded me of why I shifted away from the buggers.

@waedi73 24 күн бұрын

Sorry to hear that best wishes for recovery ! A Windows computer is inside a Neve console... holy cow what a desaster !

@Peter-by3ox 26 күн бұрын

Why do you not have a bootable image stored for this eventuality?

@kolvis6626 21 күн бұрын

shouldn't have to have one to keep a fucking MIXING DESK running of all things. SHOULD. NOT. ideally he would have one laying around for general use but if you don't fuck around with your computers more than normal use, you wouldn't know to have one and often won't need one. regardless of what tools you think are prerequisites for what, i think it's stupid to have windows running on a fucking mixing console and that limits its supportable lifespan considerably.

@Peter-by3ox 21 күн бұрын

@@kolvis6626 it not to keep it runnning its for disaster recovery. Man u sound way to angry

@jtsotherone 7 күн бұрын

@@kolvis6626 calm down. A machine that is mission-critical should be ordered with a spares kit, spare power supply etc.

@RobertModica 26 күн бұрын

I'm an IT manager and I manage 100 windows based computers... I rarely encounter failures with windows... but I also harden the systems and have management software in place to ensure daily operation. I am not sure how the neve operates but powering the computer on and off is not something I personally recommend. Thank you for validating the IT profession... You go to a mechanic when your car is broken... you go to the doctor when you are sick... Hire an IT professional to ensure your computer equipment is operating at peak performance. You have taught us so much about recording... and you probably have decent computer knowledge but no man is an island...

@gunslingersymphony5015 26 күн бұрын

This is kind of an outdated perspective. I mean, obviously I'm not going to be doing surgery, but I also don't go to a doctor for every little sniffle. The specialist society is on its way out, and I think this is something we should encourage. Specialization is how we ended up with lawyers...

@RobertModica 26 күн бұрын

@@gunslingersymphony5015 I'd be interested to know what you do for a living... your whole statement is a huge contradiction. Doctors and lawyers are very specialized education. I've been in the IT world for 29 years and can tell you there are very very specialized fields/certifications. As a matter of fact, just because I am an IT manager doesn't mean that I don't hire engineers to do the heavy lifting on projects if I don't have suitable skills to accomplish the task.

@gunslingersymphony5015 26 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica Doctors are specialists. Law is a specialization that only exists because of itself, to the detriment of everyone who is expected to follow it. Specialization is something to be dealt with out of necessity, not to be maintained as standard practice. One of the greatest advancements we've ever made has been to collect our knowledge and share it publicly. I've learned more from the internet than any school/university, and-apart from the basics that I had down after elementary school-it's been significantly more useful, overall. As far as what I do for a living, I'm a millwright, and I'm currently working on getting into things like web development and cybersec. As much as I love risking my life every time I go to work, AND having to be able to do everyone else's job as well as everything mechanical, AND having to make some engineer's pipe dream actually work in the real world, I really want to experience this whole "work-from-home" thing I keep hearing about. Also, I'm sorry; I don't see how my previous statement was a contradiction.

@gunslingersymphony5015 26 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica I should add that I respect your position, and don't believe that specialization is, as of yet, outdated. Rather, I believe that being well-rounded should be encouraged.

@gunslingersymphony5015 25 күн бұрын

@@RobertModica I'd also add that I had a nice long response before that which wasn't posted. I'm try to reorganize and retype my thoughts at a later time.

@edgardotoro-quinones6581 25 күн бұрын

Glenn, I've been following your channel for a while, have learned and employed some of your concepts. Having said that, I listened to this video mixes on different speakers including some JBL 306 MKII studio monitors, I found that your Neve mixes sound more "punchier" and tighter with some enhanced top end and more presence as well. I do agree with you as people need to stay away from cheap ear buds and really listen before commenting. Thks for sharing your knowledge...take care.

@fstudiosmusicandvideo7795 26 күн бұрын

I’ve found that different DAWs can yield different sounding results because of the differences in the algorithms used to create eq, compressors, etc… I took a song that I mixed on my AW4416 and then mixed it in Reaper using the Reaper equivalent plugins, and set them to the same settings as I got from my AW4416. Definite difference in sound.

@kennethdarlington 26 күн бұрын

Windows is okay guys. Cheaping out on the pc hardware is not. Oh, by the way. Win10 support is supposed to be dropped in Autumn next year😅

@jonessperandio 26 күн бұрын

Only the mainstream version. The IoT LTSC version (which I suppose is the version running in this console - or at least it should be) will be supported until 2032.

@RoderikvanReekum 26 күн бұрын

Yes, They said that Windows 10 is the final version of Windows and it's not.😂 Have to replace a laptop that is perfectly fine for simple tasks... Or instal Chrome OS or Linux.

@kennethdarlington 26 күн бұрын

@@RoderikvanReekum why? I plan to rock my "music" PC way past the official support date. At least now

@kennethdarlington 26 күн бұрын

@@jonessperandio plenty of time to buy new $100k console 🤣

@RoderikvanReekum 26 күн бұрын

@@kennethdarlingtonIf it is not connected to the Internet that is fine but a connected PC without (update) support will become a security risk and it's not recommended. It would be fine if Windows 11 would support older hardware.

@Case_ 26 күн бұрын

I know people absolutely love to shit on Windows, but most issues like this are caused by hardware, not software. You could basically say that's what actually getting a blue screen is essentially telling you - you have a hardware issue.

@TheHairyGorilla 26 күн бұрын

Not had a blue screen in like 7 years lol or when Windows Vista was a thing...

@mitkothemacedonian 26 күн бұрын

Improper shutdowns-restarts could also eff-up the boot sectors and the FS

@user-gh9iw1of2y 26 күн бұрын

I disagree. Most of the times these BSODs are software related. Windows is just not a reliable OS..

@Case_ 26 күн бұрын

By far the most common reason you'll *ever* see a blue screen on a PC (as rare as they are) is with a failing or incompatible/misconfigured HW or its badly written/buggy driver. Speaking as a PC tech with now several decades of experience if it means anything. But, granted, the second most common reason would probably be a clueless user who thinks they know best that abuses the hell of their system for years on end and then proceeds to whine in every internet thread about how horrible and unreliable Windows are. But, I mean, there's plenty of those in every field, as this channel tends to prove so frequently...

@cycomiles4225 26 күн бұрын

I have never had an issue with windows OS, just dont be a moron and update it once in a while lol Its a very reliable OS, as long as you are not a moron.

@geoffhead111 12 күн бұрын

poor guy man, i really feel for you, that sucks, i know it all got better from another video, hope it stays that way

@alexcrouse 26 күн бұрын

The automatic cut on that mic has made a few bad cuts, but over all, it's pretty impressive.

@scottbaxendale323 26 күн бұрын

That’s why I like API with automation.

@2thedeathoffun 26 күн бұрын

The Neve kick and snare sound smoother.

@slowpike 25 күн бұрын

Thanks for the phase comparinsons and the listens, very interesting. And i heard it apperently. But yeah, like everybody already said when they said it correctly, I would be happy with both of them, great mixes on both reaper and nieve. I'd like to add that we all (well most of us) keep learning until we are in the grave, so you have a curve where your just a bit smarter/ better for each mixes that makes the Nieve shine a bit extra. Great video Glenn, I hope you get your tool fixed asap.

@Clabian96 25 күн бұрын

I love my Kali LP6s! I'm so thankful you brought them to my attention. I would've spent the same amount or more on worse monitors...

@pauldudeuk 26 күн бұрын

I live ten miles from the office, give me a shout if there is anything I can do, sound tech Paul at your service

@pauldudeuk 26 күн бұрын

That being Burnley!

@rev.j.chriswallace642 26 күн бұрын

Failed computer was probably due to manufacturing issue rather than the operating system. I'm running a Windows machine that has gone non-stop for 7 years without a single fault or failure.

@trakliteproductions 26 күн бұрын

Wow! Sorry to hear. I'd get it running , sell it, and get an API personally. Hope you get it sorted soon

@danihexzen4793 25 күн бұрын

holy hell but your Neve mixes sound so much better, more depth and more detail, really. fckn spot on, great job!

@MrAlFuture 26 күн бұрын

If we're talking about decades of support, I definitely would not go with Mac OS. Try running a 30 year old piece of software (or even 10 year old!) On a current version of Mac OS... it ain't gonna happen. Say what you will about Windows but it's still possible to run 30+ year old software on Windows 10/11. Try that on an Apple.

@cycomiles4225 26 күн бұрын

From my expirience all windows problems were from user negligence. Just take care of it a bit, make sure everything is compatible, dont stack shit upon shit and thats about it.

@GamerGee 26 күн бұрын

The best macs were those intel Mac pros. Those 2000 dual quad cheesegraters I know a number of guys who run those in studios to this day. Heavy and they run like tanks.

@preciseaudioblog 24 күн бұрын

Mac OSX rocks for me... I have El Capitan and works like a charm

@PerryCodes 23 күн бұрын

@@cycomiles4225 Agreed. And I'm confident this one was no different.

@douglascaskey7302 23 күн бұрын

Yup. I can still run Picture Publisher on my Windows 11 laptop... which I started using with Windows 95. Microsoft takes great pain to make things backward compatible. Can't say that with Apple. I'm the lead dev of an open source project, and when ever there's build issues it's with the Mac or Linux builds. I fully expect when there's a new MacOS release that the builds will break. Heck, you can't even count on what connector the next iPhone will use.

@joshuamartin7932 26 күн бұрын

The Neve definitely sounded louder and punchier which is great for metal. But either way, the average listener probably won't care. They both hit hard and are mixed well.

@colton3720 23 күн бұрын

Hey Glen. Take a week off. You grind and grind and have to remember that we will be here next week as we have been the week before. Just take a break the channel is doing good. Plus I like the out of studio content.

@dixonburkett7208 26 күн бұрын

I really appreciate the phase flip examples Glenn! I agree that it doesn't make a huge shift in sound, but it is a shift nonetheless. It was weird that I knew I was hearing a tonal shift on my JBLs, but it was hard to define without a comparison. Hope Neve came through on your CPU sir.

@dixonburkett7208 26 күн бұрын

Just heard that power shut down early explanation from Neve at the end of the video. I'm a long time windows IT monkey, and under no circumstances should a Windows install fail to this degree. Period. End of story. I've been running Windows recording systems since 2005, and I've never had that big of a failure.

@JoshTolbertUrbana 24 күн бұрын

Hello, IT guy checking in. Supporting lab equipment with in-built computers is its own special flavor of IT hell, and I simply can't fathom buying a console with an integrated computer that isn't a standard form factor. We have so many pieces of kit that we have to air-gap from other computers cause they have an OS we can't update, plus just finding ways to keep old stuff going if/when the computer that runs the gear fails is miserable. If you're buying high-end gear with a computer built in, the manufacturer almost certainly expects you to come to them for paid support down the road, or at least be replacing it on a pretty regular interval. Windows is okay. I've certainly had less problems with Windows at work than I have with Macs, and tons less problems with Windows users whinging about things...That seems to be all Mac users want to do. :(

@nelejanbbi4616 26 күн бұрын

if the audio industry properly supported linux, this story would be VERY different

@vigilantestylez 25 күн бұрын

Harrison Mixbus.

@nelejanbbi4616 25 күн бұрын

@@vigilantestylez i personally use reaper, lsp plugins, airwindows, as well as some plugins by u-he. i also know that bitwig, renoise, and some others have linux versions. sadly, not enough for there to be an user base that is "viable" for companies :(

@jdc6681 25 күн бұрын

Yes, then reason his computer crashed would be lib update/dependency Hell.

@wpgspecb 25 күн бұрын

I like how insane you are.

@nelejanbbi4616 25 күн бұрын

@@jdc6681 developers could customize and stay with what is stable. and then not update unless it is necessary

@Tibbon 23 күн бұрын

Another reason I'm ever-impressed by my 1970s MCI console; I've got VCA+mute automation going from my computer thanks to some Eurorack CV converters, and have zero worries about future computer compatibility. There's only a few digital logic chips (and I do mean logic, not CPUs) that are easily replaceable if needed, but that's it!

@parismetaphysics6214 22 күн бұрын

I was actually looking at getting a NEVE desk like your one, but I think I will sit back & ....

@charlesrocks 26 күн бұрын

Have you considered the Rupert Neve Designs 5088 or the tried and true AMS Neve 88RS? Also, 11:43…holy shit those transients really make the entire song jump out at you.

@onibonesmedia 26 күн бұрын

The mixes are certainly different. A justifiable difference for what you paid for the Neve, not to say the Reaper ones were bad at all. I have a thought though- with the vast improvements of digital audio tech, will it eventually be able to replicate analogue fully? I'm under the impression that it may, but there's one problem everyone is overlooking.. how the digital recreations of analogue gear produce more of a square wave harmonic distortion. Is it a deal-breaker? I don't think so, but I believe it can cause a bit of sterile dissociation. The average listener would never be able to tell the difference, but their listening interest would be stunted, as it is these days proven by search engine charts. I could be dead wrong about some of this, but I think the fall of music has a lot to do with the lesser-organic processes of its creation. Once that can be fully incorporated digitally, we may have a rise in interest again across the board.

@CrashMediaMI 26 күн бұрын

Unrelated to the console, you still wear the Carnis Immortalis shirts to this day and it makes me happy to see, even though the band is no longer active. If you ever want a drummer in the studio, I finally got my enhanced license and I’d love to come out and do some stuff one day. I’ll have to bring you some merch from the actual active bands of mine haha

@jacobrankin2910 24 күн бұрын

The Neve Support Team is great. They paid shipping both ways US to England for an issue with my 88m. It cost them more to ship it than it did to make it.

@91Metalhead 26 күн бұрын

Is bricking a super expensive mixing system by turning off the power too fast the producer equivalent of a les Paul neck break because you knocked it over?

@Dan-of-NJ 26 күн бұрын

This is when you rethink the benefits of analog

@gonzoengineering4894 25 күн бұрын

Broke: Going analog for the sound quality Woke: Going analog because every OS is garbage now

@johnkirk6980 26 күн бұрын

In the comparison section the neve seems to be more transient overall which does sound better to my ears. It seemingly gives that life and bounciness to the different elements in the mix

@ru3728 26 күн бұрын

It would be really interesting if you could make a video where you try to get the Neve sound with Reaper :D

@davidfuller581 26 күн бұрын

The 88RS runs on Windows XP. I've played pinball on them.

@ishizukahikaru643 26 күн бұрын

Hahaha my studio I work with also uses the 88rs. Broke down often and a tech guy coming over pulling channel strips, replacing parts on the boards. Then they had to leave it on 24/7 cus shutting it down when studio isn't being used cause it to break. Racking up $5k per month on electric bills since the machine room also has to be air conditioned 24/7 everyday through the year. It's cool to look and take pictures with looking like a big shot. But for home studios not recommended.

@davidfuller581 26 күн бұрын

Yeah there are a couple of them where I work. There is always work being done on them, it's a testament to our techs that they're up and running 99% of the time.

@joehorvathebe 26 күн бұрын

For me it's completely opposite. Windows runs flawless, and Mac well let's just say I want to throw my mac out the window.

@Durkhead 26 күн бұрын

Is your windows pc attached to a 50k console?

@Homanjer 26 күн бұрын

@@Durkhead What difference does that make? Windows doesn't get less reliable if it has to work on more information, unless were talking about something like 400 simultaneous USB connections heh

@Durkhead 26 күн бұрын

@@Homanjer the difference is that looked like a pos windows tablet trying to run a 50k worth of faders and converters

@Homanjer 26 күн бұрын

@@Durkhead If the hardware sucks, that's not Windows fault. Apple always charge a premium for the same, or very similar, hardware.

@RyoCanCan 23 күн бұрын

Same. Worked in applecare for some time and made me happy to go to a windows pc every day.

@schwarz.leandro 25 күн бұрын

I could only notice a greater difference on the drums. Maybe a bit more low end on the guitars. But both sounded amazing to me! Nice work Glenn! Cheers from Brazil.

@XCenturionX 23 күн бұрын

I can relate. I had two different catastrophic hard drive failures in the last 2 months or so, on 2 different computers. Luckily, I had everything backed up. But it's not the gear itself, or the plugins, or even the programs themselves that I was most concerned about...my problem was recovering custom settings, and shortcuts that I had accumulated over the years...all wiped out!

@iphatbass 26 күн бұрын

Have Automatic repair ever repaired any pc ever??? I never saw Windows self diagnosing tool fixing any problem ever 😅

@genevai2893 26 күн бұрын

windows self diagnosing is equivelent to the lil engine that could "i think i can i think i can "

@MixingMusicAnalog 25 күн бұрын

Well, that sucks Glenn! Sorry you had an issue with a brand new console. On my Live stream last night, a few folks told me that you mentioned my channel in one of your videos. I have not seen it yet but thanks for the shout out. Would love to chat with you one day! :) - David

@951258tike22 14 күн бұрын

Sadly, Neve will most likely stop supporting this as soon as the last warranty out there is expired, then the only way to make your 100k paperweight work again is hoping some hacker opens up the firmware for future modification. Consumer/pro electronics are in a very sad state these days.

@michaelolz 25 күн бұрын

Gee-o-matic! That is an amazing deal on the Spectre Digital bundle. Wow!

@bobroberts1530 26 күн бұрын

Yeah, it isn't like Apple ever stopped supporting their own tech.

@Omnil93 22 күн бұрын

Or supporting 3rd party hardware past certain OS versions, forcing you to either update your hardware, or miss out on new OS features. This is why I switched from Mac back to Windows.

@TiamatSorakaSolotop 22 күн бұрын

Yeah, my studio runs on windows for years and I've never had any issues

@Kevin.Kelly. 26 күн бұрын

Your first mistake.. buying a console based on a… computer. Take it back and get a 100% analog console.

@ddgarage7025 24 күн бұрын

Any tour on the road disagrees. 80% of digital consoles run on embedded windows, and others run on linux. Tours that run analog often have a full spare in the truck because analog consoles still have issues and need constant work.

@preciseaudioblog 24 күн бұрын

Absolutely!

@a-nus 24 күн бұрын

@@ddgarage7025 Is glens studio on the road? No? Wtf are you even talking about lmao

@Video-C 23 күн бұрын

@@ddgarage7025 analog consoles d'ont have total breakdowns like digital ( except for the power source un do need a spare one ) correct me if i'm wrong digital consol need the internet or the w'ont work ???

@ddgarage7025 23 күн бұрын

@@Video-C No, digital consoles almost never need internet to work and it's best to keep them off the internet unless you have to (AVID S6Ls sometimes need to). No console is immune to faults but large format analogue consoles these days are old and need maintenance constantly because of their age (in the context of the touring world anyway) I'm just saying the anti digital comments are silly and no piece of tech is immune to issues. This is coming from someone who still has a few english made analogue consoles.

@graysonparks2775 26 күн бұрын

Thank you for recommending the Kali LP-6's a while back... I ended up buying a set and they're great! Love your channel and the absence of Bullsh!t recommendations...

@Featherlightstudio 20 күн бұрын

Glenn, I feel your pain man. After several 'forced obsolescence' upgrades on computer controlled hardware that completely tanked our room, I swore to use my older working gear for as long as I possibly could, even if it wasn't new and shinny anymore. And funny enough, that's the gear that's still works flawlessly every day I get to the Studio. Hoping for a quick solution for ya.

@keybored1650 26 күн бұрын

Maybe SSL next time, Glen? New Neve ain’t old Neve.

@jtsotherone 7 күн бұрын

Like modern SSLs have anything in common with the classic ones. They also sound completely different to a Neve (both modern and old), what a weird comment.

@keybored1650 3 күн бұрын

@@jtsotherone damn bro, I see you commented back to people like 5 different times on this video. It’s all in good fun to roast the company, you a FAN I can see lol…touch grass my guy🤦

@jtsotherone 3 күн бұрын

@@keybored1650 if it's in fun I got no problem with that!

@andrewt836 26 күн бұрын

Shit, that sucks.

@ruiner101 25 күн бұрын

Brother, I was listening to the mixes while I was putting a frame together so I wasn't even watching just listening. I'm listening through some killer Yamaha YST Advanced speakers with a nice subwoofer. I really couldn't tell the difference to be totally honest. Both mixes sounded phenomenal. There was some ever so slight differences I would notice from time to time, especially on the guitars but other than that, chef's kiss!

@musicnupe 19 күн бұрын

Glenn, new subscriber and I am REALLY enjoying your content and down to earth commentary. Extremely refreshing. Hey man, stoked to hear you’re also on BF 2049. Are you sharing your screen name or PSN/XBOX ID so folk can jump in a match with you? The new DeadSpace horde mode is nuts!