Daniel did a great job. Hope he gets to host another episode in the future! Also, Martin Popoff totally needs to host a podcast (if he doesn't already).

Martin Popoff is excelent for this type of shows, he knows his shit and make great arguments and comments.

Speed Metal is usually considered less abrasive and more melodic than thrash metal, showing less influence from hardcore punk. However, speed metal is usually faster and more aggressive than traditional heavy metal, also showing more inclination to virtuoso soloing and featuring short instrumental passages between couplets also Speed Metal songs frequently make use of highly expressive vocals, but are usually less likely to employ 'harsh' vocals than thrash metal songs

Wow, Daniel is a good host.

it starts at 4:40 your welcome ;)

I believe that Fenriz from darkthrone has that speed metal wheel tattooed on his arm!

Bring back 80s speed metal

I love your excitement Daniel Dekay, was fun watching you! Please host again!

This is pretty far from my usual tastes in metal, but holy shit did I enjoy this episode! Daniel pulled it off really well for his first time hosting Lock Horns and it's always a pleasure to see Martin Popoff as guest on the show.

No agent steeel? they've been the quentisensial american speed metal band ,since 1984

Two cool new Speed/Heavy bands with badass vocals : Vanik, Lethal Shock

Where's Holy Terror, Living Death, Destructor, Agent Steel? I don't understand metal anymore... :(

FYI, 'penultimate' means 'second to last'. Love the show!

Scanner - Germany. Perfect Speed Metal Band.

Some of this was right on and others made me angry just like any pedantic genre debate should. Speed metal is an extremely broad yet specific genre that almost boils into a math equasion. Take Motorhead and Judas Priest and find the average for the starting point. The end is when Power Metal and Thrash split into separate genres. To me Accept is the definition of speed metal because it the middle point between everything. Helloween is the end of speed and start of Power while Annihilator stylistically is the end border between Speed and Thrash. Speed is that grey area and that's why it can be so easily split into the cleaner Iron Maiden/Dio influenced side and more aggressive Motorhead/Vemon influenced side. Sex Machineguns out of Japan seemed like the refinement of the Speed Metal sound. Fast technical and clean but still aggressive with a raspy edge. Traditional metal with the speed cranked up.

Good job Daniel. You should make your own show on Banger or elsewhere !

Thanks Daniel to bring up RANGER, they are great. Best in Finland right now!!!!!

Motorhead were Speed Metal before there was a term for that Genre Motorhead were the Definition of Speed Metal \m/

I for one really enjoyed Daniel as a host

That was a fantastic episode of Lock Horns. You'll need to revisit that branch down the line so you can put some of the newer bands on there.

I can't believe no one even mentioned Holy Terror.

Speed Metal has always been my favorite metal sub genre. I can’t believe lots of people try to invalidate it. My picks for favorite speed metal songs “Killing Machine” by Living Death, “Thundersteel” by Riot, “Roadwar” by Risk. I’m happy there is new speed metal bands out now too! Vulture is a great example of that.

What about Savage Grace and the Master of Disguise album?

Speed metal to me is the first two Anthrax albums..Agent Steel.. Megadeth.Flotsam. Powermad Exciter Helstar Fine line between power metal and 80s speed metal

Going back and watching some of the missed two West Coast bands I think you missed are Vicious Rumours and Abbatoir! Just my two cents.

Although they derived into Thrash, Anthrax 1st. album is an absolute Speed Metal classic. And I'm not sure how to categorize Motörhead, probably they are a genre by their own.

Fantastic job Daniel ! really enjoyed this as i lived through that whole early eighties period and i have to say , to this day , i still ain't sure what "speed" metal is ? great vid ..... again .rock on dudes

This is one of the best episodes of Lock Horns- full of great knowledge, geeky enthusiasm and energy. Awesome stuff!

Not one mention of Acid. They were just as important (and contemporaneous) as Exciter.

Honestly can't believe that Germany's Warrant wasn't added. Their album "The Enforcer" came out in the mid 80's and has a pure speed metal sound. Even 2014's "Metal Bridge" is a fucking awesome album. The fact that Griffin from Germany weren't even mentioned sort of sucks they're massively underrated, and would fit perfectly on this branch.

WARRANT - THE ENFORCER!

Whoo hoo!! Metal Church finally in the proper branch. They are not thrash, the were early power metal/ speed metal. Thrust???Holy shit man.. Posers will die!!

Daniel Dekay was a fucking excellent host! Major props to Banger in getting some really fantastic hosts and guests lately. Dekay has been a great host and guest and Sarah's reviews are some of the BEST metal record reviews I have seen online. Terrific.

Great episode guys! I thought Daniel did a great job filling in for Sam. He really brought his own personality to the gig. Of course Martin is always a great guest, so much knowledge, and his positions are always well thought out and researched. This was a good bounce back after last week's Essential Death Metal albums episode, which turned into a bit of a debacle in my view. I was so glad Daniel brought up Ranger at the end, I was really hoping they would get added. Some other newer bands worthy of mention: Whipstriker, Savage Master, Baphomet's Blood and Vulture.

Good shit Daniel, I'd love to see you more often either as a guest or a host

At first he was kinda shy, but Daniel did pretty well in the end, put him on any day, congratulations.

glad to see Daniel touring with EXCITER these days!

Well done Daniel. Not easy taking on the hosting duties, but you nailed it. Lots of enthusiasm and knowledge. And what more can you say about Martin that hasn't already been stated. He's called the walking encyclopedia of metal for a reason !

Daniel did a good job. He should be a co-host with Sam from time to time. I think it would be a good combination.

Motörhead: The Heaviness of Black Sabbath combined with the Speed of the Ramones

Raven- they were awesome and they were promoted as a speed metal band. Razor was good, Anvil was awesome and wow Sacrifice!! Haven't thought about them since the 80's. Boys we need Mercyful Fate on this branch.

Metal Church can also be called Speed Metal especially the first 2 records

Speed Metal is Thrash Metal without Hardcore Punk aggression and harsh vocals infkuece. And Power Metal is Speed Metal with even faster and greater, melodic, grander, epic sound, "operatic" vocals, and even influence from Neoclassical and Symphonic music

This episode should have gone in for another hour. You know it's good when you find it hard to believe that an hour has already gone by.

love all the Voivod shirts abounding on this channel.

Liege lord , iron angel , agent steel , manilla road , running wild , thundersteel ( riot ), walls of jericko ( helloween ) , angel dust , blind guardian ( early )

Daniel is a really good host, knowledgeable and he looks like a nice guy. Martin is always awesome.

Daniel givin' Ohio some love with the Vindicator shirt. Speaking of Ohio, I feel like Ohio & all other US states & Canadian provinces could have their own episodes' worth of material. I know you guys just did the episode on Canada as a whole, but I'm sure each region/province has its own distinct sound and history(i.e. Quebec black metal) just as each state seems to have its own distinct sound and history, save the obvious we've all heard 80 gazillion times (Bay Area thrash, Florida death, NOLA sludge, etc). Thoughts?

*SAVAGE GRACE* - probably one of the only bands that defines "speed metal" perfectly and made some of the best speed metal songs ever. come on guys, seriously eh.

MIDNIGHT!

In regards to the new(er) members of the Banger family, Sarah and Bradley clicked with me right away; however, I had not been that impressed with Daniel. That changed today. After the first few minutes of trying to impersonate Sam, he feel into a groove and made the show his own. Great commentary and knowledge from Martin as always. If Sam is ever out of town again, Daniel has proven to be a good guest host.

I still think Riot should be on here just due to the fact that they were playing speed metal in the 70s years before Exciter or Raven. Even if they went "power" metal. Didn't Helloween kinda go the same route. Early stuff is speed metal and later stuff is power metal?

I always thought speed metal and thrash metal were the same! At least that's what MTV said when it first came out!!

This episode was fucking exciting, intense and enriching for me. Popoff´s knowledge is next level. So great to see that the team at Banger is growing, its always great to see Sam, but Daniel did also amazing by giving humor to the show and being himself all the time (not that Dunn isn´t). Fucking love this show, you literally have the discussions that I would like to have in my daily life with random people or friends. Stay true.

One of the reasons why people are confused about Speed Metal is because Speed Metal is nothing more than fast Heavy Metal or D-Beat, UK82 drum pattern (Motorhead, G.B.H., Sacrilege, Discharge); it's more of a style that, during the early to mid 80's, any Metal band could easily adopt. What I mean by any band adopting this style is presentable in The Speed Kills Compilation album. Whether one was playing Glam, Black, Power, etc, in the early to mid 80's, any of these sub-gneres that a band was in could incorporate the Speed Metal playing style into their music. Back in the day (80-85 and to some extent 86) Heavy Metal was a giant melting pot of ideas were nothing wasn't too specific. By the mid to late 80's, metal bands started to play more of a specific, refined, standard style with a particular sound in which one could easily identify the sub-genre of the Metal band with a little bit of ease (which is not a bad thing). Bands like Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Megadeth during the early to mid 80's were not purely Thrash Metal till they adopted more of a standard and refined sound or by playing aggressive and more abrasive than their previous records, which eventually would occur by mid to late 80's. The big 4 are part of the early generation of the so called "Thrash" Metal or Speed Metal along with bands like Artillery, Exciter, Agent Steel, Anvil, Bathory Savage Grace, Exodus, Raven, Laaz Rockit, Slayer, Venom, Kat, etc, which would later influence a bunch of later generation and modern Metal bands that would play more of a standard, refined sub-genres of Metal which most us come to know as Thrash, Black, Death, Power, etc. Although the early generation of Metal bands were the first to pioneer the ideas of these sub-genres along with the combination of N.W.O.B.H.M., UK82, Metal Punk, 80's Power Metal, 80's Black Metal, 80's Prog Metal, D-Beat, early Glam Metal, Epic Metal, etc, which would influence countless of mid to late 80's and today's modern Metal bands.

Helstar is a great example of a speed metal band. Speed is a major component of their musical personality. They are fast and precise and slightly more refined than thrash. Powermad has to be in there as well. Regarding Motorhead: Hell yeah! They were ON SPEED. But maybe they are "Proto-Speed".

Omg Sam I Love you but I was so fucking excited to see that the host was Daniel decay, i fuckin love the dude

Daniel is a great host! Dont mind him taking the rains in the future \m/

Never understood this term. For me it's either thrash or NWOBHM.

You need to remember that back in the day,it was a easy way to identify what bands you were into to others without a list.

Speed/Power metal Metal Church Note to Martin Popoff: Wouldn't Metal Church be a band that is a bridge between speed & power?

Mercyful Fate belongs on multiple charts and one of those charts is right here under the Speed Metal umbrella.

Priest had some real fast stuff : Painkiller Exciter Freewheel Burning Hard as Iron and Tons more 🤘

where in the hell can I buy those rock band logo magnets? I soo want them. to put on my refrigerator.

Has anyone heard "Whipping Queen" from Exodus's Demo Era. I believe that track set's a good example on bridging the Diano era Iron Maiden influence of heavy metal/speed metal into full on thrash metal.

So sad I couldn't see this live, great show, one of the best "Lock Horns" about genre discussion

So many great bands left out like ADX (French speed metal), Holy Terror Whiplash Holy Moses and Iron Angel

what about toxik world circus?

I LOVE RIOT NARITA ROAD RACING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 VERY FAST N GREAT GUITAR BAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARK REAL !!!!!!!! FIRE DOWN UNDER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No mention of classic Belgian greats like Acid, Killer, Warhead, and Crossfire who are pure speed metal.

Well, some bands like Metallica already existed when Restless & Wild was released, so I'm not so sure Fast as a Shark is the proto thrash song *par excellence* as Martin said. I'm thinking more in Sabbath's Symptom of the Universe or Motörhead's Overkill.

YES I THINK SPEED METAL IS 78-85 NWOBHM N THRASH COOL WITH ME MOTORHEAD BEING ONE OF THE EARLY ONES N I THINK EVEN RIOT FROM NYC WAS A VERY FAST N POWERFULL BAND !!!!!

Monstrous discussion!

Now, I agree with Popoff's definition of speed metal for the most part, but i highly disagree with the "thrashier then thrash" thing. Thrash is all about that "locked down" (as he puts it), palm muted riff. A tight, precise attack on your senses.

always thought Speed Metal was jus Heavy Metal sped up for example where Priest went on Ram in down an Painkiller. didn't know it was a point in time like NWOBHM

Since you guys mentioned Shrapnel, maybe there's a place for a "shred" chart? A great guest for that would be Brian Sword who is also Canadian and runs a channel on youtube that interviews a TON of Shrapnel shredders (amongst other musicians) and would probably have some solid insight on the line between shred that is more rock versus the more metal shred. Or perhaps Troy Grady who is a terrific analyst of guitar technique and a tremendous player himself. Certainly an episode that could include bands like Cacophony, Racer X, Yngwie, Tony MacAlpine, Marty Friedman, Phantom Blue and others. Could get a bit dicey since so many are solo artists that focused more on solos than riffs which tends to be more rock than metal but depending on how you want to expand the theme of the show you could get some of the more shred oriented thrash bands like Toxik or even Helstar on there too. I'd say the main goal would be to avoid getting any more extreme than that though as you'd quickly end up in tech thrash and eventually tech death territory.

How does no one in that room know what "penultimate" means, including the guy who's written multiple books?

Germany had its own version of NWOBHM, which was mostly speed metal, likely due to greater influences from hardcore punk. Canada had Anvil, Exciter and Voivod, which also had that raw and aggressive punkish sound.

Razor,holy terror,sdi,exiciter,angel dust,iron angel,anvil...are legends of speed metal...

Great episode. Honourable mention to Bezerker from Adelaide South Australia. They were awesome speed metal.

Speed metal is like thrash but without the hardcore punk influences,speed metal can also be a umbrella term I suppose (black metal,power metal,thrash metal,death metal)

Growing up in that time (and having a vinyl copy of 'Speed Kills') speed metal to me was an early definition of thrash metal before the thrash style was fully formed, established and 'categorised.'

To me, the difference between thrash and speed is thrash sounds like Discharge playing Diamond Head. Speed sounds like double speed Judas Priest or triple speed Manowar. Thrash had that punk element. Speed is trad or power metal played so fast it starts pulling itself apart at the seams. Bands like Raven, Helloween, Exciter, Razor, early Blind Guardian, Sanctuary, Agent Steel, Gamma Ray. More recently, bands like 3 Inches of Blood, Enforcer, Paladin, Iron Savior, and Holy Grail

Where is Rage?

Lets just call it all metal. Done

evil invaders should be added to enforcer, skull fist and striker

In the early 80's a lot of bands got labelled as speed metal that weren't part of the genre - Celtic Frost, Possessed, Kreator, Bathory etc. The Banzai record label had that little speed metal logo on albums like Morbid Tales, Seven Churches, Pleasure to Kill etc and it made it very confusing. I guess all faster more extreme styles got lumped into that category. Some examples of speed metal bands are Warrant, Iron Angel, Gravedigger, Running Wild, Vectom, Exciter, Agent steel, Laaz Rockit. Liege Lord, Eudoxis, Savage Grace, Crossfire, Stormwarrior, Iron Savior, Chateaux, early Anthrax, Powergod…etc. Accept Fast as a Shark is considered one of the first speed metal songs and also Judas Priest's Painkiller album has a lot of speed metal material on it. Speed metal, despite its name is not actually about super speed. Its not as fast as thrash or death metal. Its about 3/4 the tempo of thrash and death metal. Think of the tempo difference between fast as a shark and angel of death for example. The vocals in speed metal are more clean as well, with some high pitched screams too. Its basically like a slightly faster heavy metal. Metallica's Kill Em All is sometimes considered a speed metal album but it is more of a speed/thrash hybrid I would say. The opening riff In the song Whiplash though is another good example of speed metal tempo riffing.

Riot - Thundersteel. Nuff said.

I may get some flack for this but speed metal is not a genre to me.When I hear the word "speed metal" I see it as a style used upon thrash and death and mostly Black metal.Metallica is not a speed metal sound but Fight fire with fir,Trapped under ice and thee one song that describes it the most is Whiplash.Exodus has a plethora of speed ot fast paced tremolo picking without tempo change and Slayer as well.How do you feel about my thoughts on this non genre of speed metal.

So where would you put Warfare? from the UK really fast and a bit punky but it's not quite thrash and a killer band

I remember a Megadeth poster I had when I was growing up it said something to the likes of, "The world's state of the art speed metal band" so could there be an argument of bands being in more than one category?

Cool debate and I really respect Popoff, but IMO there's no way that in a speed metal conversation Grave Digger fits in the category more than early Blind Guardian. Battalions of Fear and Follow the blind are speed metal masterpieces.

So, if Exciter is speed metal in part due to their higher vocals, wouldn’t anthrax also be? I think Anthrax is closer to exciter than the Bay Area Big4 guys. Motörhead flirted with sooooo many styles, but most of those styles are in fact, fast paced. They don’t specifically fit in any category, Speed kinda works for me. Priest NOT. Because they were one of the first bands to make faster tunes, but that was one or two per record. That’s not enough to define their style.

Here's the issue with Speed Metal: It's definition is extremely narrow, and bands usually have an album, or a few songs that qualify, but they quickly evolve out of it as they push the envelope. Accept's Restless & Wild is a perfect example. Fast As A Shark is, to me, the definition of Speed Metal: A faster, more aggressive form of the late 70's Judas Priest sound, but not as furious & tightly composed as Thrash would be a few years later. The lyrical material is more in line with the older bands, too. However, most of the rest of Restless & Wild, beyond the title track & Ahead Of The Pack, wouldn't qualify. Fast forward 10 years, & now Priest themselves enter the Speed Metal race with Painkiller, another perfect example, & as a whole I find it the best one to hammer home what exactly the genre is. It's clearly the Priest sound, just turned up to the next level in aggression & technicality. But, not aggressive & violent enough to classify as Thrash, nor melodic & triumphant enough to be Power Metal.

Agent Steel, Riot, Abattoir, Savage Grace, Attacker. All bands noted 85% records speed. All bands on list only 40% speed on LPs.

Daniel and martin were awesome. Need to mention the following. Iron angel laaz rockit vulture alagash demona mystik (early) warlock mystik. Sarah has a great article out in the interwebs regarding speed metal.

Love you mentioned the history behind the speed metal logo!

I would have suggested and pushed for Artillery

So speed metal is a more aggressive power metal

Basically Martin's stipulations are thus: Speed Metal = Sloppy Thrash Metal / Shitty Power Metal, not quite NWOBHM and only during the 80's. DO A GODDAMN TRADITIONAL HEAVY METAL BRANCH ALREADY!! All of these bands would fit perfectly here, and could include more modern bands and any bands not mentioned like Scorpions, Loudness, Mercyful Fate, Armored Saint, Danzig, Volbeat, and 3 Inches of Blood.