That make too much sense. Lol. Probably some trademark issue.

Amen! I have had the same issue, also returning after a 30 year layoff in helis. When after much puzzling I finally became hip to the jive I was thinking "Forwarded Programming" but "Ext Device Programming" is much more intuitive.

I agree 100% with Wolfgang. Forward Programming is the stupidest name you could of picked. External Device Programming is immediately intuitive.

Glad it was helpful!

AR636 does not support forward programming.

Yes, update your DX6 for the best Forward programming support

@@SpektrumRCvideos Thank's 😀 have a nice day.

Hi Andy, any receiver that comes preinstalled in a model, will be "locked" programming wise. My suggestion would be to update the receiver and factory reset it in the forward programming menu. Then you will be able to reprogram it. From the description of your issue, I would wager that you used a different brand of servo when you replaced them. Different servos can have different programming and or gearing that causes it to work in the opposite direction as the stock servo, which will cause issues like you are having. The only solution, if using different servos, is to reprogram AS3X and SAFE on a blank factory reset profile. Hope that makes sense!

@@SpektrumRCvideos The servos are still the originals, not replaced. They were unplugged from the receiver in order to thread the wires through a new fuselage. But they are the same servos plugged into the same ports. Factory reset seems too extreme cause then I’d lose all the model-specific programming (the reason it’s locked is supposed to preserve all that, no?). Also I don’t actually see the option to reset the Rx under the forward programming menu so still not sure how I’d do that. Sigh. Well, in any case, the good news is that it turns out it was mechanical anyway. Turns out the push rods cross each other inside the fuselage but you’d never know it from anything in the manual. I had installed them running straight back to the control horns that were on the same side as that servo’s control arm. I got the clue that it might be wrong from the assembly instructions which showed the rudder servo was supposed to have a longer arm than the other three. But I had the elevator push Rod on the servo with the longer arm. Switching each of the push rods to the servo with the arm on the opposite side of the plane made the programmed action correct again (for both clean drive and SAFE)

You won't see the option until you update the firmware on the receiver. But glad you figured it out! That was my second guess ;)

@@SpektrumRCvideos Got the USB programmer cable to update my AR637TA, but a popup window says "there was a problem reading the device's identification." Can you share any documentation so I can troubleshoot this myself without having to send it back to Germany?

You will not be able to program an AR630 without a forward programming capable transmitter. The only DX7 that supports this (with latest update) is the DX7 Gen2

The AR630 would be the easiest way to get Safe on that model. Our AR637T programming series covers how to setup and tune AS3X and Safe :)

Many thanks for letting me know. I have ordered two Ar630 & they should be here today so I will follow your detailed video to have a go at setting up in SAFE Regards & keep safe & well

*there is nothing easy or quick or fun about this so be prepered to be put in a bad mood and stay that way for a long time

Yes it will keep the receiver settings. BUT you will want to try your best to match the transmitter settings on your DX8 when compared to the DX18. Double check all controls and surface movements

Same exact problem if you ever got a good answer/fix please lmk?!

Update your tx to update the images :)

Not that we are aware of... Might be worth researching on the Microbeast wiki or asking a Microbeast rep.

Hi Jonas! The gyros react and output to the controls much different depending on the mode. SAFE is more or less a "heading hold" gyro where as AS3X can be considered a "rate gyro". Now that is not to say you cannot add heading hold to AS3X but it is a good way to describe what you are likely seeing. When a gyro is in rate mode, it only corrects and moves the surfaces WHILE the model is in motion and moved off course. A good way to test AS3X is to hold the model and quickly and abruptly roll/pitch the plane and observe the surfaces while it is in motion. You will notice that the surfaces move then return to center while it moves then stops moving. On some models where control throws are small and the the surfaces are small this can be hard to see, so an alternative is to look at the servo horns themselves while doing this test. Hope that helps!

@@SpektrumRCvideos Thanks for your quick answer, the problem is that there are none movement at all while in AS3X mode, I have the T-28 1.1m from Horizon hobby and there it works. But on this plane which is a older FMS P-47 1.4m it does not move the servos in AS3X only mode. I know how to it should respond in AS3X, but it´s like the gyro turns off when switching from SAFE to AS3X mode.

AR636 does not support forward programming.

Forward programming very much depends on the receiver you are using and potentially the firmware or preset that is installed on the receiver. What are we working with?

Hi Dennis, the main road block is that you need a way to configure the AR631, which requires a transmitter with forward programming (pretty much anything but a DXs that we currently produce).

@@SpektrumRCvideos will a DX6 or DX6e. Which one will work or will either one work. After AR631 has been configured, will I be able to bind with DXs and have AS3X and SAFE? Dennis

UMX planes do not have the forward programming function. safe select should be set to ch5/gear on those planes by default.

Unfortunately no

Hello Seth! Can you make sure your DX6e is up to date? You should be on version 2.08

You could try relearn servo settings option in forward programming OR start from scratch (new model and reset the receiver settings)

@@SpektrumRCvideos Yes, I ended up doing a reset but after that I actually re-adjusted the servo arms manually. I think they were off to begin with.

@@todd_s1965 ahhh yes that will do it ;) Glad you got it going :)

The DX6i is not forward programming capable :(

@@SpektrumRCvideos well that answers that question then

I wish it did,,,,I got a pretty nice I had and used for 10 years,,then I bought a dx6e,,it still don't have it unless you update it . tried 8 times to register it so I can update it , so got tired of that and bought a new dx6 wich is the best radio I ever had,,

The 637TA that comes in BNF and Ready to fly models is not programmable at this time. There will be a update in the future to open it up for programming

@@SpektrumRCvideos , The DX8 Gen2 receive the same error message for AR637TA or AR8010T. I think that it is a little bit strange behavior, I mean the same Transmiter, two differents receivers, the same error message. Any other idea?

@@claudiorosa3902 The Ar8010T doesn't support forward programming and is not programmable like an AR637T. The "TA" versions are programmed at the factory for the model it is included with and is not open for end user programming at this time. So neither will allow you to access them via Forward Programming. Hope that makes it clear? :)

@@SpektrumRCvideos , very clear thank you:-) Could I read the programing the factory programmed ? I don´t want to change what Spektrum did, but I would like undertstand what it was programmend and I would like to have a Flight Mode option to enable AS3X and Safe modes when or if it is necessary. I already definied a 3 postion key for Flight Mode 1/2/3 now I would like to associate each FM, for example: FM1=no features enable, FM2=AS3X ad FM3=SAFE. Is it possible? How?

@@claudiorosa3902 With a open stock AR637T or AR630 receiver you can do that with flight modes and much more. Have you watched our setup series on the AR637T? John goes thru setup of AS3X and Safe with flight modes in that series.

Make sure you initially throttle up a bit to activate the gyro. Otherwise, if you are only using AS3X (not SAFE) it may be very hard to see the controls correct. This can depend on a few factors, such as control travel, amount of AS3X gain, size of the control surface, etc.

done it t5hanks

HI yes its up to date as it turns out , I had to rebind and boom there it was FOWARD PROGRAMMING, YOU GUYS ARE GREAT THANKS FOR YOUR HELP

Hi Teri, it will not.

@@SpektrumRCvideos Thanks for the reply. I've just upgraded all the RX's in my models to the SPMAR620 and set the fail safes the usual way... I just need to register them all now.

@@SpektrumRCvideos Hi Spektrum, just to let you know, I have Forward Programming with my DX6 Gen3 (SPM6750EU) and it works really well...

Did you figure this out?

@@mikeryan2388 yes, thanks

@@MrTalentwasted I'm having the same issue. Do you remember what you had to do? I can't remember what I did last week so I understand if you don't remember, but it could save me from having to send it back. Thanks

@@mikeryan2388 Sorry, I can't remember. Good luck!

The two communicate together wirelessly, it is part of the binding process. Forward programming is a bi-directional function of the telemetry provided by the receiver to the transmitter. Hope that makes it more clear :)

Make sure your radio is up to date :)

Also check out our 6250HX setup series :)

@@SpektrumRCvideos thank you for the reply! All up to date but even after setting up forward programming, my FC6250HX slowly beeps and flashes multiple colours. I hear the servos but no response to them OR throttle 🤯

@@Brandon5993 Normally that means you have not set the servo output frequency yet. It is one of the first steps in the swashplate setup video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/jLBgoJWEmZi1gH0.html

It is on the agenda, but honestly right now there is not much you can do with the DXs. We are working on a update to the PC programmer to allow user to program it more, but right now there is only reversing and mode change via trim programming. Stay tuned for updates on the DXs. Thanks!

BNF receivers will either need to be "unlocked" or will have limited access to Forward Programming features. Hope that helps!

@@SpektrumRCvideos what should I set expo to to replicate safe since I can't get safe to work

On the thunderbolt 2

Expo will not replicate SAFE. Check out this video, there are some troubleshooting tips I think it might help kzfaq.info/get/bejne/pZNkabNhm5zHmZ8.html&lc=UgyxA4GTNOQ5u7-cxLZ4AaABAg

When you say you updated, did you update transmitter or receiver? Also which receiver are you trying to use?

@@SpektrumRCvideos I have the dx6 gen2 transmitter and updated to 7.02 firmware. Forward programming is in my menu when the receiver is on(FC6250HX) and other receiver with bind button. Unit is green flashing and receiver solid. But when i press forward programming it keeps failing to get in there. The ix12 work perfect, but it't not my transmitter

@@rtoebak76 Should be working just the same as the iX12. What info do you see on the screen when you try to access Forward Programming?

@@SpektrumRCvideos It says: failing to connect.

@@rtoebak76 Does it have a line of text at the bottom of the screen?

Which receiver?

@@SpektrumRCvideos me too ar637T and ar 620