"Spiderman won't kill you... Peter Parker will." This has gotta be one of the most coldest lines EVER in the Spiderverse. PERIOD.

A Peter that is *genuinely* angry is literally one of the most terrifying things in Marvel. The dude is basically an apex predator that is constantly holding back the urge to just start *murdering* criminals Hell, even Wolverine respects Spiderman and would be a little scared if he ever went rogue.

You wanna know the worst part? He actually DID hold back. See, our homeboy can bench press entire tanks, and tons of fun is (besides being about 400, 500 pounds of muscle) completely standard human. If Peter smacked Fisk full tilt, Fisk would be wall paint. He wasn't there to kill him, he was there to kill the thing Fisk ACTUALLY cares about; his reputation and pride. And I think he did it too.

This always reminds me of that one time some rogues got scared at a silent Spider-Man (he actually had laryngitis); they were so scared they turned themselves, which is understandable. Without his quips and one-liners, he is actually very scary: a red figure with huge open white eyes that skitters around the walls and ceiling with uncanny speed and strength like a demon-possessed creature, but hey, better than crossing the alley and meeting Daredevil and the Punisher since they operate very close.

Wanna know something? Peter wasn't even using all his strength against Fisk despite what it may look like. So Kingpin took a beating from Peter that left him DESTROY and Peter was STILL holding back during it.

To be fair, if Peter wasn't still holding back, Fisk would've had his head pulped on the first strike. That's what people forget about Spider-Man: When you have the strength to lift ten tons, you have the strength to shatter bone. It takes 4,000 newtons of force to break a femur. It takes 10,000,000 to lift ten tons. Sure, his bones may also bre-...oh yeah, they won't because he has super durability at the level that hitting him is like hitting solid concrete.

This comic is the definition of "don't take kindness for weakness"

Kingpin is a big guy but theoretically a single strong punch from Peter should kill him, so I'm fairly sure he was still holding back.

Paul is this biggest menacing Spider-Man villain in the history of the comics

I love that Peter is aware that himself and Spider-Man are two different people. Spider-man is that good guy who saves people and is loved by people (usually). So he took off the mask before he got really brutal with his enemy, partially to protect Spider-man from bad fame, but also to take his revenge as Peter Parker, which probably felt more personal considering that he was taking revenge for his family only.

"The most dangerous creation of any society is the man who has nothing to lose." -James Baldwin

I think the audience wasn't looking in disgust because they realized Kingpin was weak. I think it's because they saw the raw emotion and pain Peter felt and they realized how inhumane Kingpin is.

This was so well written. Spider-man in this story wasn't edgy, cruel or malicious. He was just rightfully pissed off. He crossed a line, sure, but he didn't cross it completely and still remained Peter Parker, the responsible, moral man.

The moment Spidey stops cracking jokes, he becomes a symbol of fear like Batman

This comic definitely showed something that Peter almost never shows: How hopelessly outmatched regular, non-powered criminals are against him. It isn't even a challenge to him. His strength has been measured between 20 tons to 100 tons. His reflexes, speed, senses, weapons, intelligence, all combined make him almost God level in combat. The only thing Criminals had going for them was Peter's sense of mercy. His humanity. He was just a good person in general who tried to hurt people as little as possible. Kingpin brought this on himself. He hurt one of two people that could make Peter completely let go of his good side.

This is the story line that they should pursue with Andrew Garfield's spiderman. When he said "At some point I got rageful and stopped pulling my punches". A reference to this story. Would be dope.

It was also confirmed by Doc Oc that Peter was much stronger than he ever lead on when he experienced Spider-Man's capabilities (as Spider-Man himself when he took the mantle) during the "Superior Spider-Man" arc and threw Doc in a rage for a moment knowing that at every encounter he had with him, Spider-Man could have easily defeated him.

I love seeing everyone's reactions to when Peter doesn't hold back. You can't beat him. You only get as close as you do because he ALLOWS you to. Because he actually CARES about YOU. If he wanted to, he could snap all of his villains in half like a toothpick. But that moral code you love to harp on is the only reason you're still breathing. And yet they always forget. Just like the village doctor, they take his heart for granted until it's gone.

This is one of the many reasons I love Peter. He can easily decimate anyone he comes across but he always holds back because he’s just such a good person deep down. He’s such a great character because of his morals.

For those who dont know, Peter was holding back still. Peter has the power to easily kill a person in one punch but he wanted to play with kingpin and just beat him up

The most frightening thing is when the hero stops holding back. And also when Spider man stops talking, making jokes or gimmicks, just business. Like he did with Venom who was threatening to murder his family and even eat his daughter 💀

It’s funny that most of Spider-man’s adversaries have no idea that he never even comes close to using his full strength against them. They don’t realize that he could one-shot most of them, and only doesn’t because he’s worried about hurting them.

This whole thing's cathartic as hell. There's something really raw and relieving, seeing what happens when your beloved wisecrack hero is pushed to the limit, and he finally stops holding back, and everyone in his way gets obliterated.

I love how normally, Spider-Man is shown not to use excessive force when fighting, but his true strength and speed are hinted at and briefly put on display in comics like these. Similarly, When Doc Oct took control over Peters body, he was shocked at how strong and fast Peter was. He immediately realized that Spider-Man had been holding back against criminals. So cool. I don’t read a lot of comics, so lmk if I have some of the details wrong.

Wow, Spiderman without his mask and costume is actually quite terrifying if you ask me. Like when you consider all his powers and stuff. When his character for the audience is gone, all is left is an animal. An apex predator. At least among humans. Has some pretty strong batman vibes in this comic. The panel when he swings to the hospital with Aunt May without his costume and mask, not holding back his true identity is somehow even more terrifying than not holding back during his rampage against the criminals involved. Like seeing him drop all spiderman gimmicks at once... chills down my spine.

Something someone pointed out to me in Superhero stories that I found interesting is, on average, the heroes are always stronger. I’m not referring to being morally stronger, even thought that is the case usually, especially in more traditional stories. I speak in terms of pure capabilities. They are always stronger, always faster, always smarter, always more skilled, always the superior force in the conflict on some level, the thing that holds them back, the thing that stops every fight from being a curb stop, or at the very least ending in them maiming someone, is that they are holding back because of their moral codes. They aren’t going for the throat, they aren’t trying to kill or maim, they are trying to end the conflict with the minimal level of violence necessary. On a certain level this is simply the escalation ladder at play, you don’t open with all guns blazing because that encourages people to respond in kind. Even if you don’t care about the people you’re fighting, if you care about everything and everyone around the fight, you shouldn’t encourage that type of response. Which is why I find it really dumb you have villains who try to goad them into going further up the ladder, to be more aggressive, to kill their opponents, either because they think they somehow win by getting heroes to throw away the rule book, or because they someone never realize “this person has kicked my ass a hundred times already even though I’ve been trying to kill them and I am only still alive because they haven’t”. And it always immensely satisfying to see villains like that realize they’ve been poking a bear.

I love the last scene because it highlights the flaw in the sort of "Kingpin" or "Littlefinger" type of scheming characters who are indeed powerful because of their network and because of the influence they have other people. Without their cohort it is only their word and promise of violence that keeps them at the top. And in this instance he made the fatal error of relying on his opponents "strong moral character" to give him the upper hand. Because Kingpin has been through this dance before. He believes he can fight Spider-Man. And he believes that there will come a point in the fight where he can either extort him by maybe threatening to expose his secret identity, or threaten Mary-Jane, or Aunt May. Kingpin believes he is five steps ahead of his enemy as usual. But he didn't account for one thing: At this point: Peter doesn't care. Peter is out for blood. No quips, no demeaning, no battle of wits, Peter is there to kill him. And Fisk doesn't even realize that against him he doesn't stand a chance. He doesn't realize that there is literally nothing he can do to stop Peter from killing him. He can threaten him. He can't extort him. He can't distract or persuade him. Suppose that's why they say one of the scariest things in Marvel is when Spidey goes quiet.

4:40 It's really inspiring honestly, as dark as the story is, I like that. Peter explains to him that all of his wealth and possessions don't really matter, compared to what Peter himself is on his own. Just kind of a powerful sentiment for anyone who really doesn't have much but themselves at any given moment in life... What you have might be more than enough. To me, the dual character of Spider-Man/ Peter Parker has always been about innocence inevitably lost, and the application of trauma, responsibility, and in many ways just tragedy towards an originally soft-hearted and kind person. There is a kind of slow revelation that, in spite of all of his partners, friends, family, and even rogue's gallery, He's really a lone wolf... The most interesting and powerful element of this is how Spider-Man responds to these difficult losses and challenges in his life... I don't know the context of this issue or storyline, But I really hope this isn't the route he goes down in the end. It's interesting to see him lose control in such a way, but just doesn't ring true to the the fundamental character as a permanent attitude switch Imo. His good heart kind of has to win, or else he's like some mutated Batman/ Deadpool/ punisher/ etc Chimera. Always after being tested, Always after showing his humanity and hubris... But I don't know, aside from middle-aged dark comic relief overweight future Parker, I would like to know where the story goes, And if you find some more meaningful place for his pain and aggression.

Love to see the comics that show just what happens when the heroes don't have a code and just let loose. Cause it is so so easy to just lose it and take out the villains, but the fact that they hold back and go the hard route just gives them that much more respect.

one of my FAVORITE moments in spiderman history. seriously, when spidey isn't holding back he's 100% TERRIFYING. Don't care if you've got adamantium bones or a magic herb, if spidey wanted heads to roll, they'd roll fast and far with each punch.

This might be my favorite Spiderman story, seeing Peter actually wanting to kill is interesting, but him waiting for the right moment is even more terrifying. Because it'll come, just not now. He knows how to get under an opponent's skin and he did that with king pin, I think the prisoners weren't just looking at king pin because he lost, but also because they realized how horrible of a person king pin actually was in that moment, Peter changed but he has been corrupted, he's just pissed off at someone he knows deserves to suffer.

this spiderman comic is "Marvelous" and there's no more other words to describe such piece of art. Ty for showing us this masterpiece

This is why criminals are legitimately scared of Spider-Man when he’s quiet, so much so that at one point Mysterio straight up handed himself over to the police because Spider-Man wasn’t talking

I love this moment, but my fav angry Peter moment is when he completely trashes Rhino for kidnapping his daughter Annie. Rhino was willing to give information about the guy who hired him but Peter still beat him down to pulp.

Nice vid! One nitpick: "southpaw" does not mean a punch thrown with the left hand. "Southpaw" is a term from boxing - it refers to a fighter who fights in the left-handed stance: right foot and right hand forward. In the southpaw stance, the left hand is the one that delivers power shots and the right hand is used for jabbing and hooks. Sometimes right-handed fighters will fight southpaw, usually for the benefit of being able to throw short right hooks (in the right-handed stance, the right foot and right hand are further back, which means the right hook has to travel further and thus leaves the boxer more exposed).

Hearing you explaining how it all goes down i get chills as if you were peter park with the rage he had going threw it all as if you where the one to put king pin to the ground. It was a spectacle i thank you for making this comic even better then it already was.

Many people underestimate Spider-Man not knowing how powerful he actually is. Can go against hulk and win, take on many variants of the sinister six, and overall how dangerous he is when serious and not talking. You’d rather see Batman smile than hear Spider-Man stop talking.

for context, the blac suit isn't a symbiote suit, peter made a blac suit a long time ago when he was in despair, he put the suit on that building just in case he'd need it again, that suit represents a side of peter that is angry, merciless and inescapable

The best thing about that story is that Peter *WAS* still holding back against Fisk. He could literally have ripped him limb from limb if he really wanted to. To a dude who can bench-press 10 tons, flesh and bone is less effort than tearing wet tissue paper.

Stories where the heroes cast down their shackles always fascinate me. Makes you realize how powerful they truly are, and that the only reason they themselves ever get to near death situations, is their own moral code. They would rather die before killing someone, no matter how rotten the villain is. Villains are practically always at their mercy, so you don't wanna know what happens when you make shit personal.

I think Peter drawing a line between the Spiderman persona and himself is a really important idea that needs more exploration. Spiderman is Peter's idealized self: funny, confident, witty, and a complete moral paragon. But Peter is still a person, and is more than entitled to lash out when something genuinely bad happens. Drawing this line between Spiderman and Peter Parker also helps establish a status quo for the criminal world; when Spiderman is on the streets, everyone is aware he's just looking to stop crime. When Peter is on the streets asking questions, then everyone is aware that something happened and Peter has a specific target he's planning on dealing with.

Kingpin got slapped around like he was a child that disobeyed his mom.

6:21 even franklin was disappointed at kingpin

The best transformation of Spidey to Peter Parker so far in the series. The writer really did the fans a refreshing take.

Honestly love this version of Peter. I always knew that if he didn't have the amazing moral compass that was instilled in him by his Aunt and Uncle, he would absolutely kill people and it would be incredibly easy for him. At the end of the day, Spiderman is a human being, and human beings all have a breaking point.

This is a really good story. We always wondered what would happen when our favorite wall crawler finally snapped, and I don't mean him spine. I couldn't pick one panel, but I agree that Peter revealing his face saying "I am" was chilling. And the entirety of the prison scene was very well done. He still held back because he wanted to break Fisk, not kill him at that moment. He made a statement proving he could take down one of the most powerful humans without powers, only his speed and strength. He future-proofed any thugs coming after him, and he'd still kill if his demands weren't met. Scenes like this are my favorite. I am curious how it'd play out if Fisk ordered the whole prison on him, and Peter had to fight a hundred or so goons at once.

If this story has taught me one thing, its that EVERYONE even the gentle ones have a breaking point. And when the gentle ones break, it has much greater impact.

"There are three things all wise men fear: the sea in storm, a night with no moon, and the anger of a gentle man." ~ Patrick Rothfuss

As much as I find it infuriating the villains always seem to get away with their crimes in Marvel and DC seeing someone like the Kingpin be put in his place is glorious. A rare bright spot

I love this story. Peter just humiliated Fisk. That's savage

I love this story, but as much as I love it, I also realize that if superpowers were a reality, I would be terrified of getting them. Imagine being so strong that you can't just hit a wall when you're feeling frustrated because you'd punch the wall out completely. It'd be like constantly walking on eggshells and treating everything as if it was made of styrofoam. I couldn't even sleep in the same bed as my girlfriend because what if I had a serious nightmare and just lashed out and then woke up to discover I'd obliterated her.

5:04 bro did the will smith slap

People have pointed it out a lot, but Peter GRIPPING Fisk’s skin is super intense. He could’ve just popped in there and lobbed of his head like it was nothing.

one of the big reasons I love Spider-Man/Peter Parker is that he has a perfect balance. he can make good jokes and do crazy tricks like its nothing, but when a line is crossed, he pulls no punches.

That was one of the most satisfying beat downs I’ve seen in comic book history.

Not only can Spidey fill your lung with web fluid and suffocate you, he can swat your jaw clean off with little effort or use his wall climb ability to fuse to your skin and rip your face off. Spidey is insanely powerful but always limits himself because... "With great power comes great electricity bills" - Electrician Ben

I remember reading this back when it came out and just being so taken aback. It was so completely out of character, but also showed that Peter understood the criminals better than he lets on. It was invigorating to see the hero that cracks jokes and perseveres had that side to him. That capability was always in him, he just never uses it. I’ve always seen Spider-man as what happens when Batman isn’t broken in youth but rather healed after the trauma (and then of course there’s the powers vs. Money). That said, this four issue stint was more like Batman than Spider-Man. It confirmed for me that Peter wasn’t just insanely capable, he is also extremely responsible. The beatdown he gives Fisk is such a shocking moment, where maybe he pulled punches, but he sure keeps moving like he isn’t… and that damn punch across the page!

It’d be one thing to be beaten to death while realizing mid fight that you can’t even lay a finger on your opponent, let alone damage him. But to be left with the fear and pain of knowing what he is capable of doing to you, and to know round 2 is coming at any random point in the future must be terrifying.

This story and the way you described every moment of every scene made my toes curl. That’s how intense I felt listening to and watching it. Great work.

Respect because your one of the only people I’ve ever seen digitally or in person combined discuss this comic

he actually still held back againts kingpin in this story

Dope video! I just watched the whole damn thing without even realizing it.

Back in black was the first comic series I got into as a kid. SO happy it's finally getting the recognition it deserves.

probably one of the best Spider-Man story out there

And Peter was still holding back... In the what if story where kingping shot and killed MJ instead, Peter kills him with just one punch (Saitama style) The punch Is so powerful It pierced through Kingping's chest.

I like to imagine the reason why Peter was so easily able to take off the black suit this time around was because the symbiote either completely supported Peter's quest to avenge his aunt or was just too scared stiff to get in his way

I love this telling of a comic. I love superheroes, but don't have the patience to find and read all of the awesome comics/situations there are with these superheroes. Your channel gives everyone like me an awesome look at some otherwise unknown parts of superheroes stories. Couple the knowledge we get of the story along with your narration is a perfect combination!

"Spider-Man Stops Holding Back" Until he holds back and let's Kingpin live.

It's not just that they see Kingpin's weakness. They see a guy who put a huge target on their backs with someone who is basically a god compared to them. He isn't just weak, he's a threat.

There was a hint about Andrew Garfield's Spider-Man in No way home not holding back his punches like this and i wish we got to see that

Peter honestly gets slept on by a lot of people because they all of the other Super Heroes and their powers but when you really look at ALL that he can do mixed with his intelligence level. He is truly on a level not many can reach. ESPECIALLY if he's mad. That's why the Symbiote was such a perfect bond with him.

why is this comic reading so satisfying and relaxing. good job.

I love this mentality, "mess with me, i can take it, ill make fun of it, fun of you, heck even fun of me, we can repeat this again and again till you get tired, mess with the ones i love, those who can't fight back or defend themselves...then, you are on a dead sentence and i decide when its the execution", its masterful.

This has always been one of my favorite stories. The beat down he gives Fisk is so satisfying.

This is the best way to push Peter as a character without destroying the foundation of who he is. He went all out on Fisk, not to kill him, but to prove a point.

Its always the kindest individuals you never want to see angry

The black menace 💀

Craziest part is Peter was still holding back. The few comics where he truely stopped caring, he had the strength to punch holes in steel, let alone human beings. I think he would have killed Fisk in one punch to the face if he had wanted to.

One thing that always annoyed me was the comics rarely if ever use spiderman's strength as a weapon, always as utility. Most of his usual enemies are regular enemies with no special powers themselves, just enhanced suits. Doc Ock is a great example of this. One punch from peter should knock out or even kill anyone.

Spider-Man became Rorschach for a second.

Kingpin doesn’t realize how easily Peter could have killed him. In another comic Spider-Man literally punches his fist completely through kingpin’s chest and out his back, webbing a guy to the wall while holding up kingpin’s lifeless body. That just goes to show you how powerful Spider-Man really is when he stops pulling his punches

This is the Spider-man that I have always wanted to see. In this story Peter is showing awesome progression of his character. He is not the high school kid that takes crap off fJameson or the kid who can't pay the rent. He is a grown man that has had enough of the crap and it has all come to this. The problem is as good as this story is we will never see more of it or any growth in Peter. I believe that it's sad that Peter can't be happy or reach another phase of his personality (become Angry).

First time listening to you and I gotta say you have done a FANTASTIC job narrating this issue!!

that was amazing, i love seeing a hero be a real person for a second. with short emotions and outbursts

Made this joke before and I'll make it again, spidey was pimp slapping the kingpin like a Hank Pym love interest

This is the same dude that rocked the whole ass X-Men and put the fear of God into Titania, Peter is terrifying if you give him a reason to be.

06:22 "Every prisoner sees Kingpin for the weak man he really is." Dude took a full beating from Spiderman with his limbs intact. That's not weak at all.

I love the premise of this. _"You know who I am. You know who my loved ones are. So you had better make sure that nothing happens to them, otherwise I'll make sure something happens to you."_

i've seen one or two stories where spider-man stops being a wiseass, and in both it's pretty terrifying. the other one it was a sore throat or something, and he was fighting a group of villains. i think it was mysterio that realized spider-man wasn't being funny today, and it scared him so bad he surrendered. but for everyone asking how we know spider-man was still holding back while that beatdown with kingpin, there's a What If about this exact scenario. in it, instead of aunt may being shot, MJ is, and she dies. he doesn't let the crooks off with broken bones, he goes on a killing spree, murdering everyone who had anything to do with it. and when it came to the fight with kingpin, peter puts his fist THROUGH kingpin's chest, mid monologue.

That's the thing a lot of people forget: in majority of his stories Peter has to constantly hold back bc he could easily kill someone by accident. Spider Man isn't the strongest superhero in Marvel, but he's still absurdly strong and agile compared to people without superpowers, even absolute units like Kingpin. You make him not hold back so much and he'll snap you in half like a tooth pick and throw your body around like a rag doll. And that's another thing: Peter was still holding back in this fight. If he didn't he'd kill Kingpin in the first punch. Kingpin is a unit, but he's still a regular ass man going up against someone who just earlier in that story threw a whole ass sedan across the street, through a solid brick wall...

i wouldn't have stopped. It was so liberating to see pin so helpless... super great story

I love these kinda a videos really showing the grit of spiderman with these unique stories which brings them into a more brighter light. Thanks Mullet-Man!

1:53 - Batman: hey that's my line bro

I love Spiderman because no matter what how bad thing happen to him. He always seak justice no matter what he lost for those actions...

we really need more of this. I love the stories where these heroes become broken and cast aside their childish do no evil attitudes.

This is awesome. It's a shame Disney would never touch a story like this

They saw kingpin, a (relatively) normal human being take a beating from a superpowered freak and not once beg, plead or bargain. if anything, he earned the respect of everyone who witnessed it.

Yeah seeing a Dark Spidey is always a treat though you still can't say he was truly unleashed here he still had some degree of humanity left since he spared Fisk and even potentially let him off if Aunt May pulled through and even giving the other criminals a warning first. MJ is still alive too so again you can't really say he's lost everything.

This Isn't Spider-Man, That's Beating Up The Shooter. It's Peter Himself.

I've struggled to stand up for myself all my life, and I assure you that there are points in your life when you need to make a stand like this to command respect. My Dad is the only one in the world who has threatened someone else to protect me, and I admire that.