Spider Mastermind vs 10 Chaingunners - Monster Infighting

Spider Mastermind vs 10 Chaingunners - Monster Infighting - Doom II Retro Battles

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Жыл бұрын

Multiple Doom II battles between the Spider Mastermind and 10 Chaingunners (aka Commandos), each with different variations such as numbers and difficulty level. Same monster infighting and Nightmare respawns is disabled.
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Doom Retro Battles involves several Doom and Doom 2 battles, a fight club or battle simulator of sorts, between various units and unit compositions, each with different variations such as weapons, numbers, difficulty levels like Ultra-Violence and Nightmare, etc.
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@MonstrousOgre Жыл бұрын

This has to be a new low for the mastermind 🤣

@nonenothingnull Жыл бұрын

almost getting soloed by a chaingunner

@firepowerg Жыл бұрын

As boss enemies go, it's got to be the worst in gaming history. Even a single one of the the bruiser brothers from E1M8 are harder.

@elecman748 Жыл бұрын

Nah, that happened with the Zombieman

@MonstrousOgre Жыл бұрын

@@firepowerg the first time I played OG Doom was without a mouse, so I had a hard time with the two barons. I also didn't know you could get the rocket launcher before that

@patrickmurphy9470 Жыл бұрын

Even 1 on 1 the SM barely survived. Pathetic.

@sozhran Жыл бұрын

I didn't expect much but man, she almost lost the 1-vs-1, it's riddiculus.

@sammicoporsammicopor Жыл бұрын

Ridiculous

@blendtecbrah5761 Жыл бұрын

@@sammicoporsammicopor Riddick U. Less

@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 Жыл бұрын

I would expect Spider to waste 20 Chaingunners but apparently she has pain-problems when shes shot and cant return fire

@sozhran Жыл бұрын

@@worsethanhitlerpt.2539 She's 30 already, of course she has pain problems - I'm sure her back hurts like a bitch XD Serious answer - her pain chaince is actually the third lowest, she just takes too long to retaliate.

@galileodos4329 Жыл бұрын

In that 1vs1 the SMM flinched much more often than it normally does from chaingun fire. I've not been able to replicate that outcome in zdoom with my chaingun or a friend chaingunner, so this one in the video is a bit odd...

@DragonUltraMaster Жыл бұрын

If only the chaingunners could co-op better they would've always have won. Almost certain. That 1v1 was so funny to watch.

@doublej1076 Жыл бұрын

Her wind-up time is so long, she has to get several rolls in a row to avoid being stun-locked and starting over. It's all luck of the draw whether it ever happens.

@adambrown6669 Жыл бұрын

@@doublej1076 basically if he fired as fast as the chaingunner, he'd probably win every time, but the game offsets the increased healthpool with the high stun chance and longer windup for balancing in normal gameplay.

@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын

I modded the spiderdemon. Fire rate doesn't matter, pain chance doesn't matter - what she needs to have is a _much_ shorter warmup before firing to stand a chance. Though rate of fire after she starts firing helps. Quite a bit in fact. Bumping her cyclic rate to match the player's own chaingun is a huge leap in lethality for Ms. Tier F.

@vniksic Жыл бұрын

The Spidermastermind is one of the toughest enemies... to place on a map and for it to be a problem. :D

@anthonymentalewicz5143 Жыл бұрын

Haste map 10, the dock fight.

@adambrown6669 Жыл бұрын

In normal gameplay it can be a problem, it's just not designed with the idea of fighting other monsters as a priority. Even then he does fine against pretty much anything that can't stunlock like the chaingunner a**holes.

@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын

Place her in a perch so she cannot be BFG-rushed, has a wide FOV and cannot infight make enemies. And withhold the plasma from the player until later.

@adambrown6669 Жыл бұрын

@@DinnerForkTongue one of the maps from a recently curated and officially released map packs has just that, 2 of them on raised platforms at separate corners of a mid sized room, supported by a handful of barons on the ground level where the player would be, they can't infight eachother as there's no angles offered for it and the barons if hit will just walk up to the base of the platform and get stuck

@feangren Жыл бұрын

Damn, even for a F-Tier demon, that was humiliating

@masterofsurvival5816 Жыл бұрын

Nice Decino reference 😀

@robertposteschild2353 Жыл бұрын

If you actually watched his video, you will realize he was talking about SMM in context of the campaign. It wasn't due her lack of infighting capability.

@Jurgen123445 Жыл бұрын

@@robertposteschild2353 Thank you. No one seems to get this.

@georgeheilman885 Жыл бұрын

I'll never be tired of seeing the Spider Mastermind humiliated. Though I guess good for her in getting some victories.

@brainfriiz2351 Жыл бұрын

I'd love to see masterminds buffed with 0% pain chance.

@Over9000BPM Жыл бұрын

While it wouldn’t help her in these videos, I think just giving her the same infighting exception flag as the Arch-vile would help her a lot on most maps. Most of the time, she gets killed by other monsters she’s provoked before she gets a single hit on the player.

@miguelsantana8586 Жыл бұрын

Pra mim o pior inimigo é o saiberdemonio

@thefunslayingking Жыл бұрын

Oh man the chain gunner nearly killed her 1v1, poor girl needs 0% pain chance and 0s response time to matter

@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын

Doesn't work that well. What _does_ work is reducing the huge 15-frame warmup before she starts shooting. Then mama spider becomes a danger. For fun, if you also bump up her fire rate, she becomes bar none the most dangerous high-tier enemy in any encounter.

@DinnerForkTongue Жыл бұрын

@@thefunslayingking Not 0s, just 6 frames means she won't get dunked on by a single pinky.

@ReaperX7 Жыл бұрын

GG: Hey Cyber you want a round with Chaingunner? Cyberdemon (sipping his tea, adjusting monocle): I dare say old chum... No! Do you take me for a fool?

@darkmarine23 Жыл бұрын

He already did a video of that.

@BrockLee3 Жыл бұрын

MASTERMIND: "I master-minded the whole invasion of Earth!" CHAIN-GUNNER: "Ha ha! Chain-gun goes BURRRRRRRR!!!" That would have been SO EMBARRASSING if that ONE Chain-gunner killed that one Mastermind. But, the fact that he got so close to killing that Spider was embarrassing on its own.

@HerrAl5ama Жыл бұрын

The Cyberdemon who destroyed 10000 Lost Souls yesterday: pathetic!

@Midgert89 Жыл бұрын

The problem is the super high pain chance combined with a high rate of fire.

@sralmendrita Жыл бұрын

Yep, but this is weird, i mean.. if you as a player 1v1 a spider mastermind with a chaingun, this simply not happen, its like pain chance is increased here

@appledrawss1353 Жыл бұрын

@@sralmendrita this could be conformation bias tho, most likely its suffering from the pseudo rng at least in this, which is why its so frequent

@galileodos4329 Жыл бұрын

@@sralmendrita Yea, I could never stunlock consistently a SMM with chaingun for more than two or three seconds, in vanilla nor in gzdoom. Also checked multiple times if a chaingunner could do it, but not a single time did the SMM stun as much as in the video. Bit weird, could be really unusual RNG outcome but idk

@LordBison98 Жыл бұрын

I love how on Ultra Violence in the first round it wasn't even the Mastermind who made the kills lmao

@ggn3 Жыл бұрын

Good lord, lucky to even win the UV 1v1 match there. A continued pathetic showing from the Mastermind.

@user-xn1wi6kk3b Жыл бұрын

I did not expect much, but I am still disappointed. Especially at the third uv fight

@Kyrika Жыл бұрын

And to this day I still wonder why the enemy chainguns use the shotgun sound, while the player using the chaingun gets the pistol sound.

@marklarz4399 Жыл бұрын

Many chaingunners died... of friendly fire

@appelscha23 Жыл бұрын

yea likely with a gun that swarms the place with bullets..

@chummy_lectern Жыл бұрын

I never thought that today was the day where I'd go, "Finally, a fair fight" when a Spider Mastermind fights a Chaingunner 1 on 1.

@Toast_94 Жыл бұрын

To be fair, chaingunners are the bane of nearly every player out there. Subjecting the SMM to that was almost a war crime. xD

@BiggysMusic Жыл бұрын

This spider couldn't mastermind a piss-up in a brewery.

@supriyajagadeesh3960 Жыл бұрын

The pain state of spidermastermind is ridiculous 😂

@Nemephosis Жыл бұрын

Sure SMM won its UV 1v1.... but the Chaingunner tore strips off its hide to the tune of more than 2600 HP BY ITSELF. If it weren't for that momentary ignoring of the pain state where it got to retaliate and mowed the gunner down, it would have freaking lost that matchup.

@tafferinthedark Жыл бұрын

In fact I am sure if you repeat the battle several times, the chaingunner wins some. It's up to chance.

@ThiagoNunesRS Жыл бұрын

23:59: Cyberdemon defeats 10.000 Lost Souls 00:00: Spider Mastermind loses 90% of HP against a single Chaingunner!

@SanguineSet Жыл бұрын

2 chain gunners > 1 spider mastermind

@ggn3 Жыл бұрын

Even more embarrassing in the 1v1 match that she barely won on UV.

@WickedParanoid Жыл бұрын

1:14 Now THIS is just sad. 2:26 Scratch that, THIS is what's TRULY sad.

@Goldeneye007Masters Жыл бұрын

SMM basically is too slow to engage, has a large hitbox and too high a pain chance so against a chaingun (let alone multiple) it's weak at all ranges as it can always be constantly hit. When you bring more than one SMM into the fray the chaingunners don't always all target them evenly and once one SMM can start firing it breaks the painchance cycle the others are locked into and alows them to do what you probably expected them to which is to pepper the chaingunners to a quick death.

@ingot129 Жыл бұрын

Old mate's chaingun would be the temperature of the sun after that performance

@MinscFromBaldursGate92 Жыл бұрын

Spider Mastermind is the Glass Joe of Doom.

@ISleepWithAFanOn Жыл бұрын

Felt more like I was watching people hunt exotic wildlife until the SMM's numbers started picking up.

@Someonehahaha Жыл бұрын

I found the spidermaster mind always worked better vs a player then enemies. I know i played some wads that made her a deadly turret that dances. But her high pain chance and lack of aggression kills her so much vs these mooks.

@demi-femme4821 6 ай бұрын

idk, if a Chaingunner can take her out by just standing there, what's to stop a circle-strafing player with a faster firing Chaingun?

@Supcharged 6 ай бұрын

@@demi-femme4821in my experience the spider definitely doesn’t get stunned THAT much. That round doesn’t seem right

@bdkj3e Жыл бұрын

That was ridiculous.

@rogeranguti2185 3 ай бұрын

I don't know how many time I watch still like it

@ITRIEDEL Жыл бұрын

That mastermind taking damn near an L in a 1v1 was tough to watch. I mean MM came before the chain gunner so I don’t think it was taken into consideration but dang…

@SuperTrucker2019 Жыл бұрын

Damn!! With 3000 health points, you'd think the Spider Mastermind would be just a LITTLE more dominant.

@invschematics 6 ай бұрын

this shows how powerful chaingunners are, if plutonia didn't already taught you that

@UMBR. Жыл бұрын

Thanks for doing my request!!

@Lagbeard Жыл бұрын

1 v 10 in Ultra-Violence, Chaingunners kill 4 of their own, then process to win.

@nolsee1176 6 ай бұрын

Idea for next one: Spider Mastermind vs field mouse, 1 v 1. It’ll be very one sided, but she deserves a chance.

@chriswaudby1084 Жыл бұрын

I swear to god sometimes I think the mastermind would rather walk about getting hit than fight back sometimes 😊

@teranokitty Жыл бұрын

Not just walk about, but walk closer to the chaingunners so that it gets stun locked even easier.

@phillipmargrave Жыл бұрын

And considering that a brain itself doesn’t feel pain, it processes it for the body, it is very funny she gets pain flinched so frequently.

@baccy81 Жыл бұрын

I remember back in 1994 I discovered that if you attack a mastermind with a steady fire of chaingun, he doesn't have a chance to attack back and just stutters around

@seanrogers7073 2 ай бұрын

Spider Mastermind: Wins against a cyberdemon one-on-one at point blank range. Also Spider Mastermind: Barely wins one-on-one against a chaingunner.

@montlejohnbojangles8937 Жыл бұрын

Maaan. That pain state really screws the ol' Mastermind doesn't it? Poor little guy.

@nathanlamont9920 Жыл бұрын

I already know she lost most of her fights and didn't watch it yet.

@johnlewisbrooks Жыл бұрын

If possible id like to see the Brutal Doom version go afainst these chaingunners! THAT version is no joke!

@snak47shootrz Жыл бұрын

Cool

@PKAmedia Жыл бұрын

Man it almost feel like ten masterminds vs one chaingunner may of been a fairer fight.

@brainstewX Жыл бұрын

May have*

@rogeranguti2185 6 ай бұрын

I was not expecting it to happen LOL it with it

@ObnoxiusBrat Жыл бұрын

The biggest enemy of Spider mama is pain state

@reloadpsi Жыл бұрын

I always found the chaingunner very cheap. This video has finally convinced me once and for all that it's not me that's the problem.

@teranokitty Жыл бұрын

Yep, the chaingunner can quickly become a very bad time 😅

@andreifrolenkov513 Жыл бұрын

How many Spider Masterminds does it take to ~change a light bulb~ kill 10 chaingunners? No less than three.

@appledrawss1353 Жыл бұрын

and here comes our next episode of... humiliating the spiderdemon

@ShadowScream100 6 ай бұрын

Didn't expect too much and even the smm achieves to dissapoint me

@TheRealNormanBates Жыл бұрын

Aww.. I was hoping for a 10 to 15 Spider Mamas versus 100 chain gunners fight.

@JoseGonzalez-pn5zl Жыл бұрын

That chain gun mowed that mastermind down..

@LtEvangel Жыл бұрын

I want to see Spiderdemon vs Doomguy marines one day

@BiyikFrostDiaz Жыл бұрын

and now you see why the chain gunner is in plutonia along with the revenant and archvile

@johnlewisbrooks Жыл бұрын

I remember fighting the mastermind one time with a marine with 200 health, 200 armor and just walking rightbup to it face to face and shooting. Id lose but it did substantial damage!

@shallowman Жыл бұрын

That 12.89% pain chance is a bitch!

@rautamiekka Жыл бұрын

Surprisingly 1-sided for the chaingunners, color me impressed. Then again, those fuckers are hated for a reason.

@KingSvenDeluxe Жыл бұрын

Poor spider mama just wanted to get the shopping done without being bothered.

@thedungeondelver Жыл бұрын

2 Arachnotrons are literally a bigger threat than one spider mastermind.

@BloodWolf2005 Жыл бұрын

New matchup: 1 Spider Mastermind vs 0 Chain gunners **Mastermind dies** 😮

@ThomasNimmesgern 6 ай бұрын

But be cautious! 0 Spider Mastermind vs 2 Chain gunners *Chain gunners die by friendly fire* 😮

@punishedphr1610 6 ай бұрын

this is what le sigma male (spider)mastermind INTJ be like irl

@toshikosugi Жыл бұрын

The Spider Mastermind has surprisingly high chance of feeling pain, which makes it quite vulnerable to rapid fire.

@spectre_222 Жыл бұрын

This was hilarious and sad at the same time.

@ji604 Жыл бұрын

Proof that even if you're a mastermind, you can still be a whiny brain spider in the wrong environment.

@Big_RandyTM Жыл бұрын

If she didn’t have such a high pain chance, she wouldn’t be as bad.

@mondragon9282 Жыл бұрын

Oh no. I can't wait to see how embarrassing this is for spider mama

@dmitryyershoff7938 Жыл бұрын

The point is, Spider Mastermind is almost every time in pain state, so it can't fire back

@patrickmurphy9470 Жыл бұрын

The chain gunner nearly wrecked SMM 1 on 1 ?!?! 😂 What a joke of a boss.

@appelscha23 Жыл бұрын

true, with what type of gun could you compare the red guy's gun in real life?

@user-py7yr7nt1m 11 ай бұрын

Chiangun Guys So BADASS

@theautisticdoomgod 11 ай бұрын

Spider Queen vs. Chaingun Wielders

@IsleOfFeldspar Жыл бұрын

Why does the SM keep firing on Gotcha against the cyber while enduring constant rocket fire but can’t fire against hitscanners here?

@IsleOfFeldspar 13 күн бұрын

On Gotcha the SM takes constant rockets and keeps firing. But bullets are a problem.

@alexandersutherland798 Жыл бұрын

The 10 Chaingunners said to the mastermind. "Who is the boss now SUCKA?!"

@LtEvangel Жыл бұрын

And, if I were to buff Spiderdemon, i would have to make it scan and 'lock on' up to two targets, so it would not stop shooting if one target dies, or if it acquires one more target from the spiderdemon's view. Also, lower pain chance to 7.81%.

@w.a.a.m Жыл бұрын

Estos comandos son ridículamente duros en pesadilla

@user-st2ti4wy1w 6 ай бұрын

Music is from level The Spirit world. Level 27 in Doom.

@sundarsubramaniam7274 5 ай бұрын

It's Map 28, actually. It's also the only map from the official releases to feature more than one Spiderdemon on the same map.

@user-st2ti4wy1w 5 ай бұрын

Spider mastermind is a cool dude.

@decreator1 Жыл бұрын

The problem is the time when mastermind load to fire and its interruption when hit by a fire

@Wagonman5900 Жыл бұрын

You should get @GamingGargoyle to give you the code for his Demolisher.

@Rodrigodrt Жыл бұрын

That pain chance... masterminds deal a shitton of damage but if they can't fire at all flinching.. well .

@JCRF Жыл бұрын

Spider Mastermind vs a single lost soul

@teddan00 11 ай бұрын

What mod can I use to watch replays in 3rd person and move around like a "ghost"?

@aznable1000 Жыл бұрын

Ha ha chain gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

@BendixX69 Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 no words for this

@tacosunbirth Жыл бұрын

Some might say this is how the Spider Mastermind is trash, but I'd argue this speaks instead to how overtuned the Chaingun Guy is. He seriously has waaaay too good of stats to be a former human like the Zombiemen and the Shotgun Guy

@YukitoOnline Жыл бұрын

Chaingunners keep team killing each other..

@daskraut Жыл бұрын

and that's why i always kill chainies first. except when there are chainies. then i kill those first.

@elzazofuturama854 Жыл бұрын

Pain chance, is that you? 😂

@CrazyHandMaker Жыл бұрын

Что-то Я не помню, чтобы на doom e3m8 можно было так легко погасить фары мастерминду из пулемёта. Тупо встать на месте ил стрелять в него.

@raven11356 Жыл бұрын

I always knew the Spider Mastermind was a wuss of a boss.

@gaborsimon3299 Жыл бұрын

I feel kringed for the spiderdemon

@opus5770 Жыл бұрын

just getting bullied, lmao

@LordZeroTheNightmare Жыл бұрын

if they didnt have this huge start up time and high enough pain chance that repeated the start up over and over, they might actually be not so bad lol. mastermind was always one of my fav boss design wise, but sooooo easy lol