Viper would have been awesome for this video Spirit: Asks anything. Viper: It depends.

It is not that I don't want to progress faster. It is that I just don't have enough resources as a result of bad use of villager time

'Thats not even enough to build a single farm' Teutons: *Laugh in 36 wood farms*

MBL be like: mongols advance even faster when you lure 4 boars

Damn Spirit this is nice. You cover a topic with your math and then get an opinion outside the math from a pro. Your content was top tier before, but now this ain't even an inch short from a perfect. Keep up with your stuff bro 🤘🏻 Your videos have inspired people for years and quality just keeps getting better. Greetings from Suomi 🇫🇮

OMG!! Intro!! I haven't felt this much relieved for a long time.

Your new profile pic caught me off guard for a second.

Me with a solid 30 minute feudal time: I am 4 parallel universes ahead of you

Spirit: You can either advance later and have 1 more villager or you can advance faster but with 1 less vill. Me: How about both?

17:23 Nili: "get a life" - after hera tries to trap the drush. Touche

Should do an interview on it with MBL, and ask how much getting housed constantly effects going up.....

>These guys talking about literal top tier play >Me who sucks at all things RTS: "Interesting, very interesting."

I delay feudal so I can have more villagers idle.

This is a nice video but sadly not really relevant for novices, who make up the large majority of Spirit's viewers. For us, its less of a tradeoff of 1 extra vil, but more tradeoffs like "Is it worth it to idle your TC to get to Feudal age at the right time when you don't have enough food?" or "If I've lost a vil or 2 to a boar, how much should I delay to regain economy parity?". Also "At what percentage of likelihood of losing a vil to boar is it no longer worth it to lure a boar?". I have tons of dilemmas like that, but never heard a pro talk about them since they just don't encounter those problems.

i remember when SOTL was just some small pleb on youtube and literally nobody knew about him except his own fans and now he is one of the most recognized and important aoe2 personalities especially within youtube

Hera & Spirit! Team Canada / Dream Canada! Great vid as usual. I have been starting to practice build orders, 21 pop scout rush into fast castle knight production is my favorite, and all of this theory crafting is really insightful. Thanks guys!

Dude, you dont know how long i have been waiting for a video like this. Its perfect!

10:00 never knew about that perfect sheep queuing thing, will have to give that a go, sounds awesom

The old intro!!!!

Beginner players who idle their TCs in Dark Age should probably go up with less vills because they end up with a few excess resources Unless they idle their vills too

A tutorial on playing against the AI for beginners/casuals would be awesome, as the game is very different when you play offline! I know I could learn a thing or two to optimise anyways. Early rushes for example are not something I go to often but the HD AI does rush you early game sometimes.

I’ve had this question for a LOOONG time...

6:29 the villager that starts chopping wood perfectly syncs up with the music...

I am wondering what I'm missing here and hope someone can clear things up for me. ~ At 5:52 in the the video, it shows two different caslte times with 25 and 27 villagers in dark age. ( kzfaq.info/get/bejne/Y8t4dql_u8uxcY0.html ) The castle times shown for 25 and 27 villagers are 15:40 and 16:30 respectively. ~ -for a 25 vil dark age, you have to make 22 vils (550 sec), get loom (25 sec), research feudal age (130 sec), make 2 more vils (50sec), research castle age (160sec). That's a total of 915 seconds, or 15 mins and 15 seconds. The time shown in the video is 15:40, not 15:15. ~ -for a 27 vil dark age, you have to make 24 vils (600 sec), get loom (25 sec), research feudal age (130 sec), make 2 more vils (50sec), research castle age (160sec). That's a total of 965 seconds, or 16 mins and 5 seconds. The time shown in the video is 16:30, not 16:05. ~ Is there a reason why the castle times are exactly 1 villager (25sec) later than what they should be, or did we witness the rare occurrence of Spirit making a mathematical mistake?

I would love to see how effective a country's economy would be if SOTL was in charge of it.

I love how your topics get more and more useful for higher levels of play while still keeping the SotL quality!

0:45 HIT IT!!

I died when Nili told Hera to get a life after those sick quick walls. 10/10

Now this is what I would call an informative video! Some really useful questions and answers.

ever since i know that SotL himself composed the intro song, i don't skip it anymore lol

Great video, as always. Thanks SOTL for taking the time to create such polished content. Big fan!

Yeah, I was really confused when I played DE for the first time, as to why I had so much wood left over when I'd built my first 3 houses (125 instead of 110), and it took me a bit to figure out that Houses are 25 wood, now... Honestly, I'm a slower player, anyway, so I miss the old version of the game if the new version is speeding things up.

Me confused!? Didn't this exact video already exist or am I in the wrong parallel world again? Good video regardless 😊

Great Video! Great information! Really like the combination of you guys. Really enjoy the games you guys have been playing recently !

Interesting how much more bass there is in Hera's voice in Spirit's production setup

Love to see the intro back

I'll have to take notes of this. I like making fast castle builds most of the time, but I need work my feudal builds for not only aging up, but preparing my army quickly enough for a good rush or defending, especially in Arabia. Though I have had games where I age too early for what I wanna make, setting me back, so when I play Malay, I'll sometimes go up after an extra villager or two instead and try to age around the other civs' "normal" uptime, so I have a few more resouces/villagers to work with.

Gigantic trees D: Nice video Spirit and Hera! So useful for everyone. Keep making good content man c:

@8:45 Hera doing a nice Korg impression.

Great video! Maybe game sound during the interview would be nice

In unranked I always click up to feudal with 30. people mock me for being "slow", but when i hit castle i can make 4 TCS and start spamming vills and trash instantly.

Hera and Spirit=best bromance ever Change my mind!

You and Hera make a great team! Like peanut butter and Janissaries!

Hey Spirit of the Law, one thing I would appreciate would be you discuss the ports in japanese dark and feudal age. I think... it’s tempting to thing you can have two “town centers” because of the town center and the ports.

Full intro Pog

it would be nice if you discuss with hera the buildorder. I dont mean to show the exactly buildorder; i mean to discuss how much vills on wood when going archers (i assume 4 in the beginning, 6 on sheep). What about later? I think you should discuss that with him.

i love content from you and hera combined

yay best intro is back

I am wondering when you do these kind of videos do you actually show the first math part to the player you are talking with before the interview or not?

Those first 10 seconds hurt me.

Bulgarian villager says :"TOUCHES DA LION"

Honestly helps in rts other then AOE as well, one point that feels worth mentioning is the comparison compared to current villagers, like relatively, the difference between 6 and 7 villagers, is huge compared to 30 to 31 or more realistically, 16-17 compared to 21-22

I saw a low ELO player go 13 pop feudal. It was ridiculous. They ruined their economy but eventually they did mass longbows, carried their ally, and won the team Arena game

Intro is back

I think you're wrong that +1 vill in Dark Age is somehow even more resources at 16:30.. it's the same as the bonus just after hitting feudal and making +1 vill

Nice vid sotl, what about 39,I barely make Villagers later on so I do it all in the dark age

Thanks, I can literally feel the knowledge

Hey Spirit nice video once again. I wonder if you could do a video on how useful Greek Fire (Bizantine unique tech) is. Keep it up! Good job to Hera as well.

It would be interesting to update this video given the much more aggressive metagame today than at the time. Scout rushes at 17 or 18 pop and archer rushes at 18 or 19 pop have become frequent, even around 1100 ELO...

Surprised how the malay bonus plays on all this.

Great interview style

hera ? wait I wanted to head viper

Its crazy how much the gamehas changed in these few years skill and metawise. Back ghen hera not recommending 21pop scouts for anyone below 1500elo, while nowadays every 1200 is playing 18pop scouts :D

Spirit, could you do a hunting vid? What makes it worth it to hunt deer? What distance is too far? If there board and deer next to each other but far from berries, is it better to build a mill there instead of at berries? Or build 2 mills? How about killing enemy deer strats? Or any other tips and tricks?

0 mentions of fast imp? As a feitoria lover, I feel attacked

And here I am going up with 25 pop pretty much everytime because i forget to build houses after the fourth one.

What are the economics and implications of rushing wheelbarrow? I mean, I know the meta is to not make it right off the bat, but I wonder if it would be more effective to rush the wheelbarrow, in general, for better economy.

"At 10:30, delaying Feudal by 1 villager gets you... 52-57 resources". Spirit, you also have to take into account that extra 25 seconds that extra villager will work until you produce another one at the TC, so you'll have about ~9 extra resources. With that, you indeed have enough for a farm. :) And if I'm not mistaken, extra villagers will compound that 9 extra resources too.

There is a mathematical error at 3:58, the equations should have a multiplication of 1.2 rather than 0.2. For what ur calculating ig it makes sense, but a more accurate way to calculate the villager increase is finding the total wood gathered then increase it by 1.2x since u will still have the same amount of vils anyways

Math seems a bit off. 1 villager up later gives 130 villager seconds which is ~45 resources. Wood bonus from double bit axe is ~1.7 per wood villager. So typically around 10 wood vils for 22 pop feudal so the cost directly is 45-17= 28 resources. Earlier scout upgrade (speed, dmg, los) and earlier access to farm upgrade is also big though. Horse collar basically makes a farm ~40% more wood effective so making a dark age farm vs a feudal one also 'costs' ~20 wood. With scouts where you want to farm fast fast up is really the way to go i think. Faster wood up and farms after horse collar save almost as much as the cost. For malay fast feudal into horse collar and double bit always best i think. You only lose 78 villager seconds or about 25 resources going up and with 10 wood vils the earlier double bit pays back most of that. Then being able to put down horse collar farms right away makes it economically better to go up fast, especially with the scout bonus. For Arena i think for example Malay should go up with 20 pop and then pop down some farms after horse collar.

Well, you could also be MBL and do a 16 pop fast castle rush...

Ok i will boom to 200 vills in dark age from now on

I think you forgot a point, when you add a villager, it delays feudal further, which means all your villagers keep producing ressources. So it's not only 1villager for 2min30, but also your 20 other villagers producing a bit more. That's probably why thee numbers didn't seem impressive here. Or maybe I'm just lost in my drunk mind

amazing analysis

Ah! Maining Mongols has skewed my perspective! No wonder my early feudal with other civs is giving me so much trouble!

i think is more important make a villager before make houses at the begginin, than make one more later when you pass feudal

This video is an amazing example of how SOTL excels at micro micro gaming. I can't even play the game because my computer is old and does not comply......

I wonder what the mathematically fastest advance would be given all resources being known and gathered at a rate regardless of camp locations etc and wether there would be any negatives for cutting everything extraneous to that

There is little power

Who would dislike this Video. I cant Think of a Reason.

The problem is, no matter how many tutorials i watch, I'll always hit feudal as long as i collect 500 food (having a few vil on wood and gold)

hera, apart from being pretty good at aoe, is a really good Guest-Star.

I like the new intro :)

@13:00 khmer can do a decent 16 or 17 pop scout rush too

17:21 Get a life 11

You still need to do a vid on saracen market rush

Maybe I haven't seen it and you already do; but are you going to consider going to be a pro-caster for AoE? You have such good commentary and interview skills.

You all still remember that he composed and played the intro song himself?

He didn't go over the math, but 19 wood comes from 10 lumberjacks * 4.6 wood / (lumberjack minute) * 25 seconds because not building that one villager before clicking up means you can get that upgrade one villager build time sooner.

0:00 hehe it's a gate take that 0:07 goddammit

Lmao the dude at 17:30 told hera to get a life because he wasn't able to disrupt hera's villagers. Salt.

I don’t even take the time to watch your videos... To give them a like!

I wonder, was the later advance from the Dark Age also with 2 villagers in Feudal? What about advancing 2 villagers later from the Dark Age but skipping making any villages in Feudal and going straight to Castle? In theory, you should get to the Castle Age at the same time but with more resources.

19:35 Does he mean 25, 26 villagers in Dark Age (and then +2) or Feudal?

I have a tangentially related question. I played against the hardest difficulty of the CD version's AI one time, and it advanced to Feudal Age at 5:50 or so (the number might be incorrect, I only remember being amazed how early it advanced, it was definitely before 7 mins - it was playing Turks, so no Mongol hunting bonus or Briton shepherd bonus). Now, it obviously cheated on resources (it also had a very fast Castle age afterwards, and it built 2 castles without collecting enough stones for one), but what do you think is theoretically the fastest possible Feudal Age (or Castle Age) time (with no regard for it being good at winning, it just has to be fast)?

Could you please name the titles of the background music tracks that you use? Many thanks for all of your videos!

I wish we had you as our math teacher

Have you done a video on whether one should put a mill one tile away from berries or not? Always wandering about that...

Hi team aftermath player. Congrats 😍

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