Splitpushing: Is It Still Viable? | League of Legends

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Vars

Vars

2 жыл бұрын

Splitpushing! You've seen it no doubt once or twice... or thrice in your life and in some cases it may have been the reason you won/lost a game. Today we're gonna be talking about splitpushing as a win condition, why it's been decreasing in popularity and question the viability of it in Season 11!
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@Joseph_Biten
@Joseph_Biten 2 жыл бұрын
Yesterday Yorick took an inhib and used his ungodly amount of farm to 1v4 my team and not only did he get away he also killed 2 of us and said "lemme do my thing godamn" in all chat. We lost.
@Sylvershade
@Sylvershade 2 жыл бұрын
That's why I'm a Yorick main. With teams that love to force team fights even when way behind, I can still win the game. Mute all, mute pings, win game.
@cccbbbccc5910
@cccbbbccc5910 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sylvershade carry the game, zero honours
@asilverturtle7056
@asilverturtle7056 2 жыл бұрын
He did his thing
@bappojujubes981
@bappojujubes981 Жыл бұрын
@@cccbbbccc5910 the lp is worth it.
@CorruptTypes
@CorruptTypes 11 ай бұрын
i was above my laner around 100 cs, had my items before anyone else and managed to carry from split pushing and occasionally going botside and fucking the turrets
@MAMAJUGO
@MAMAJUGO 2 жыл бұрын
Splitpushing will always have a place in the game, no matter how much Riot tries to nerf it, because it's the closest thing we have to the golden dream of every LoL player to ever exist: Single Player League of Legends
@hwaryun7042
@hwaryun7042 2 жыл бұрын
and nothing feels better than winning a base race. especially if you are playing a fighter
@younishmani5560
@younishmani5560 2 жыл бұрын
Well I permanently split push when I am so far behind I basically become useless in team fights I did it with tristana once I was 1 8 and I only gave the enemies 100 gold when I died plus I was so under leveled I kept split pushing until I won the game
@trowabarton101
@trowabarton101 2 жыл бұрын
@@younishmani5560 this. This is the only way I've actually been able to really influence a game late. Even to the point of building attack speed on suboptimal champs just to push.
@younishmani5560
@younishmani5560 2 жыл бұрын
@@trowabarton101 True. if the enemy team is sieging sometimes there is no difference between 4 v 5 or 5 v 5. if you are able to divide the enemy's focus on a side lane by split pushing than you are helping more than staying in mid to stop the siege. that is more apparent when you are playing a champion with bad neutral game state for example katarina irelia tryndemere darius fiora and the likes. going to a side lane and forcing one or two of the enemies sieging the mid lane to go elsewhere gives your teammates with good neutral gameplay like ezreal morgana lux most and most of the enchanters in the game to be able to continue leveraging their strengths. by doing so you are more useful than if you just stand around doing absolutely nothing but dodging random skill shots hurled towards you. maybe if you are playing a tank you have to stay with the team to discourage the enemies from tower diving but if you are a skirmisher your best choice would be to go elsewhere.
@eliaprosdocimi5880
@eliaprosdocimi5880 2 жыл бұрын
strangely enough a split pusher destroy a tower with 4 enemies under that tower faster than his 4 teammates pushing an undefended tower
@leroywashington3417
@leroywashington3417 2 жыл бұрын
Nothing makes me pog more than seeing my toplaner break the enemy nexus while the whole enemy team is in our base
@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol 2 жыл бұрын
What can your toplaner do since u already let enemy team to ur base
@shurlkr3594
@shurlkr3594 2 жыл бұрын
@@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol there is a thing called base race, in which both team push to enemy nexus at the same time
@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol
@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol 2 жыл бұрын
@@shurlkr3594 I think you've missed the irony somewhere and I'm not gonna tell you where
@hiteshadari4790
@hiteshadari4790 2 жыл бұрын
@@Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol okay then, keep your secrets
@rob7566
@rob7566 2 жыл бұрын
I've back doored more nexus with trynd in s10 then a pimps teaching cane.
@theimmortaleye7511
@theimmortaleye7511 2 жыл бұрын
Yorick be like U get: a single roam and assist I get: 2 towers and inhibitor
@The_White
@The_White 2 жыл бұрын
LIMITED TIME OFFER! IF YOU ROAM NOW, I'LL DOUBLE THE DEAL, AND TAKE 4 TOWERS AND AN INHIBITOR! I'll do that even if you are here by sending you to the shadow realm with 1 Q but you don't really get a value out of that, so I would consider roaming.
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@The_White the combo that kills you is usually aa-e-aa-q-aa
@D00ML0RD1
@D00ML0RD1 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug you sure i normally just e q and they dead
@6ofrozes657
@6ofrozes657 2 жыл бұрын
You think split pushing isnt viable until the dead corpse of Sion that is 0/9 is finishing up his third turret and going for nexus next time he spawns
@soulsemblance3163
@soulsemblance3163 2 жыл бұрын
Goot deaf
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
or when yorick places 3 ghouls and herald mid maiden bot and himself top and is taking all the tier 1/2/3 towers from all lanes ALONE ( viable yorick strategy , created by me )
@CloudWalkBeta
@CloudWalkBeta 2 жыл бұрын
HERE COMES THE BAUSS SPECIAL! :D
@solidderx7
@solidderx7 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug Slayaa?? Is that you??
@nikolaivladski9905
@nikolaivladski9905 2 жыл бұрын
Inting Sion best strat!
@kamikazelemming1552
@kamikazelemming1552 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. There have been many games I've won/lost because someone managed to sneak in through the one lane where a team-fight wasn't happening, and win the game. Even done it myself a few time, usually by place a ward next to the enemy inhibitor or nexus, then teleporting in and doing as much damage as I can before the enemy team realizes what's happening.
@samv.l.5819
@samv.l.5819 2 жыл бұрын
That's what you're suppose to do mate
@hqhuy931
@hqhuy931 2 жыл бұрын
ive lost a game to a freaking pyke splitpush (i still dont know how bc there's 2 inhib towers and no minions) but he manage to sneak in alone and destroy our nexus while 4 of us trolls at his base and threw the game.
@sunnydargonnel
@sunnydargonnel 2 жыл бұрын
Good ol' Kayle lvl 15 with active passive taking down the nexus on my own. I got all the honors even tho they were bashing in champ select because I picked Kayle in the first place lol
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@hqhuy931 u met me lol
@hqhuy931
@hqhuy931 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug damn how did u manage to do it?
@SadToffee
@SadToffee 2 жыл бұрын
it can be as long as your team understands that they need to PUSH instead of rotate when you get 4 manned.
@nematodes5113
@nematodes5113 2 жыл бұрын
> Start split pushing in a side lane while your 4 teammates siege an inner or inhibitor mid turret > 3 enemy team members arrive to stop you and try to kill you > Your 4 teammates abandon the siege to rotate halfway across the map and "help" fight the 3 enemies responding to your split push I remember this happening to me, and it was a facepalm moment.
@legendaryrayquaza98
@legendaryrayquaza98 2 жыл бұрын
@@nematodes5113 your team rotates? My team just splits up with 2 farming the jungle, 1 going between lanes, and one last person shoving the opposite lane
@P4TRICCS
@P4TRICCS 2 жыл бұрын
My team start team fighting without me and die then aggressively ping me why i didn't joined...
@frankthegoblin5889
@frankthegoblin5889 2 жыл бұрын
that's the frustrating thing about split pushing with someone like singed or tryndamere, it requires your team to know how to play League of Legends.
@P4TRICCS
@P4TRICCS 2 жыл бұрын
@@frankthegoblin5889 you want to much from a low elo player. You never get this type of teammates.
@El_Bellota
@El_Bellota 2 жыл бұрын
I hope it mentions how hullbreaker transforms anyone in to a split pusher and half a brick house.
@alejandropetit6573
@alejandropetit6573 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, hullbreaker isn't an item *for* splitpushers, it's an item that turns champs like darius into splitpushers, splitpushers don't need tower damage, they can already destroy towers in under a minute, what splitpuahers need is either waveclear, which the hydra items already give, or a way to apply pressure on a part of the map while still being present for teamfights, which zz'rot used to do
@huumizoomi5551
@huumizoomi5551 2 жыл бұрын
@@alejandropetit6573 yorick already has good enough wave clear. Tho i do agree that hullbreaker is not ment for splitpushers. It helps them to split push safely. If you do it quicker the chances of you getting caught is significantly less.
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@huumizoomi5551 as a yorick u want to be caught so you can get 3 kills and 2 low late game ur ghouls do more dmg than your mid laner unless his some late game scaler
@huumizoomi5551
@huumizoomi5551 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug i know that. thats ur main goal as yorick but if you happen to have like 2500 gold in your pocket and not the most items ur easily killable. Bcuz you didnt spend the gold the plates gave. Thats why i think rushing hullbreaker so your less likely to get caught. It can be a big snowballing item bcuz u will be able to afford ur other items faster. Keep in mind that im not a yorick player but im in love witch the champ itself. It just gets boring for me after two games. Thats why i start theory crafting about him and stuff. I maybe right i maybe wrong but i think all the things i mentioned were pretty solid.
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@huumizoomi5551 no u need triforce first move speed dmg boost spell blade and good stats in general
@RealityCheck05
@RealityCheck05 2 жыл бұрын
Split pushing makes the game more interesting because it forces all players to account for mobility and map control. If 5v5 were all anyone wants to do, summoners rift could be condensed to a single lane.
@SM-dh1zp
@SM-dh1zp 2 жыл бұрын
I think you might be thinking of ARAM my friend
@Valigarmanda
@Valigarmanda 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. It forces them to make extra choices. "Do we fight here or do we send someone to guard that lane? X splitpusher might push again. Can they even duel him? I better go shadow them." - jungler, probably. "Do I catch this huge wave pushed by x splitpusher or should I help the team? My AoE is important but if we lose the fight, we lose objectives." - midlaner "Do I assist our lone top? He might get dove again. He's 0/6 and---- [An ally has been slain] goddammit he went bot and my adc just died to him!" - support "Me play Vayne, me go fight fed splitpusher because me true damage." - adc
@snakehorde
@snakehorde 2 жыл бұрын
Funny : league players want 5v5 and flashy gameplay, yet spit on ARAM, whilst giving them just what they ask for.
@creak3293
@creak3293 2 жыл бұрын
@@snakehorde Aram is boring because it’s all random and the enemy team usually have 2 juggernauts vs your full assassin one. Games are pretty short too so you never truly hit late-game
@GuardianGrarl
@GuardianGrarl Жыл бұрын
For people who are in the same room or have damn good telecommunication means, Rift is fine. For everyone else, ARAM is the true League.
@user-vc1gd4jg1f
@user-vc1gd4jg1f 2 жыл бұрын
Well it was viable, but yoricks hat has vanished, so now it’s a horrible strategy
@theunamedpotato
@theunamedpotato 2 жыл бұрын
I rly hope they add it later on, we LITTERALY HAVE THE MODEL OF THE HAT on the recall and Ctrl+3
@trowabarton101
@trowabarton101 2 жыл бұрын
Rip
@worm8886
@worm8886 2 жыл бұрын
fiora exists
@fgchopper4733
@fgchopper4733 2 жыл бұрын
Thebaus would like to have a word with u
@benjaminbarraza8972
@benjaminbarraza8972 2 жыл бұрын
I only play Yorick Splitpush is my life I always get flamed by most teams Insults does not affect me anymore I always get the highest objective damage
@Fewchore
@Fewchore 2 жыл бұрын
Spoken like a true Yorick one trick
@qnoqno6166
@qnoqno6166 2 жыл бұрын
A real yorick sigma
@bagandtag4391
@bagandtag4391 2 жыл бұрын
Absolute chad
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
yorick main here too ever tried to place herald mid go top yourself and place maiden bot ?
@benjaminbarraza8972
@benjaminbarraza8972 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug what i usually do is push with maiden or herald to force people to go against me, run out of vision and when everyones goes for the maiden or herald I tp to the other side of the map and use the other resource and push
@user-wl9vc9rq4o
@user-wl9vc9rq4o 2 жыл бұрын
I can't believe Vars didn't mention Inting sion in this video. The ultimate split pusher to ever exist
@eprjct
@eprjct 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, he really should watch Inting Scion because the video really doesn't seem to cover a lot of what good split pusher are targeting. The goal of split pushing in Solo que is actually forcing the enemy team to communicate not your teammate. The enemy team needs to be clear on who needs to be where when you are split pushing. When too many player comes to stop split pushing, your teammates can take objectives, power farm or end up with an easy 4v3 4v2 team fight. But when not enough player comes to stop the split push, you can either stat check, zone out or ignore the other player. Team fight is actually the worst scenario to climb solo que. It's often a coin flip and sacrifice wave manage and exp. There are too many skills to keep in track and too much information for the player to recap and really pass down what they learn to the next game.
@bulletcola7890
@bulletcola7890 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I would assume that yes, it IS viable, just really situational since the best kind of splitpushing require coordination from your teammates. But even without it, you can still use it to your advantage in a place like Soloque to where it can be pretty consistent (At least I think soo).
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
as yorick main u can use the maiden to split push bot while ur top also some other pet that lasts forverer even if distant from the owner works out
@worm8886
@worm8886 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug yorik de only one
@Stachelbeeerchen
@Stachelbeeerchen 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing is when the roaming support sets up atleast one ward in enemy jungle so that you have more vision to look at while split pushing. Its even better when the jungler knows about the existence of red wards and buys them. But many times I only witness me buying redwards/control wards while adc mid and jungle have a wardscore of 3.
@Stachelbeeerchen
@Stachelbeeerchen 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug all other pets have a limited range however what you can do is letting them splitpush while grieving a enemy camp. Tibbers is great for this and shaco clone can help a bit. I would only fo that if you are sure there wouldnt be a teamfight where they are needed.
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@Stachelbeeerchen no yorick pets got no range you can target and untarget it from following you also yorick maiden is unlimited in time
@soulsemblance3163
@soulsemblance3163 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who recently switched partially to trundle top I would say yes. That sweet 110 atk speed with sheen and q extra dmg aa reset demolish is so funny
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
me a yorick main : finally a worthy opponent our battle will be taking each other nexus faster than 5 minutes
@soulsemblance3163
@soulsemblance3163 2 жыл бұрын
@@thec-yb6ug early game to mid game trundle push is faster. Later with max amount of ghouls assuming they don't get focused you are faster by like 2 seconds
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
@@soulsemblance3163 my record is a tower in 5 seconds with demolish and 4 items.yours?
@soulsemblance3163
@soulsemblance3163 6 ай бұрын
​@thec-yb6ug never saw your reply. Haha. With the current trinity buffs it's about 4 seconds sometimes 3 depending on if I have a canon plus hulbreaker
@soulsemblance3163
@soulsemblance3163 6 ай бұрын
​@@thec-yb6ugabout 3 seconds usually 4 thou
@EstebanVicenzi
@EstebanVicenzi 2 жыл бұрын
When there are no neutral objectives up, Master Yi is a good split-spusher. On-hit Yi builds enough attack speed to cap it (at least with R), and it is one of the best duelists. Depending on how many enemies (and with how much cc) come to stop you, R can be used to either kill them or back off.
@Benjamin-xm4dp
@Benjamin-xm4dp 2 жыл бұрын
Vars what do you think of the topic "Is there too much Crowd Control" as I think it would be also a controversial topic. Most new champs do have some free CC nowadays.
@alexandermaxx
@alexandermaxx 2 жыл бұрын
Can you explain more what you mean by free cc? Do you mean it's given to them for the sake of it? Or do you mean it has to be conditional like ryze's root or Orianna's slow? (hit E first then W or land that skillshot ball for the alow/knockup)
@Gorecatto
@Gorecatto 2 жыл бұрын
Im pretty sure the last 3 champs (not including vex) have literally almost no CC tho, viego has his W but lets be real its kinda terrible as a CC tool
@OuhHey
@OuhHey 2 жыл бұрын
@@GorecattoBut Rell have 4 cc, and only 1 can affected by tenacity + There is the cringe AP item that cc or hard slow you for 2.5 secs
@diogoalfaia3238
@diogoalfaia3238 2 жыл бұрын
@@OuhHey well, but having CC is real whole purpose. She's a tanky engage support after all
@CloudWalkBeta
@CloudWalkBeta 2 жыл бұрын
I certainly think you have an interesting point, if we were to look at lol back in 2012, before a lot of reworks started happening, a lot of the older champions had NO CC what so ever. I think it was around 2011 to 2013, Leona, Naut, Sejuani, Volibear, Lulu, Zyra, Thresh, Zac & Lissandra were all introduced, so we can see a TON of CC got added to the game. One other thing to note is that many of the reworks removed point and click CC out of the game, which has kind of given rise to the duelling champions being so broken in the game, since point and click CC is harder to come by these days, there's very little counter measures for the champions with 20 dashes, so it swings both ways.
@zoltox9987
@zoltox9987 2 жыл бұрын
love the new visuals
@deraisbelial
@deraisbelial 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the amount of games ive won/lost because someone did a good splitpush is insane
@edgarretana8377
@edgarretana8377 2 жыл бұрын
When done properly with good wave management and timing splitpushing is IMO the most frustrating strategy to deal with. When refusing to group and letting the enemy win fight after fight because of it while you’re constantly dying on your attempt to conquer an inhibitor on your own I also am super frustrated :)))
@adamevaskevich5528
@adamevaskevich5528 2 жыл бұрын
Pre season 5 I backdoored games like once a month it was quiet fun, and season 6 I mained Udyr with devour/sated Triforce and zzrot I was that guy, and I miss it so much,
@snipolimpics
@snipolimpics 2 жыл бұрын
I think you are missing several important splitpushing trophes. - first of, rift herald. Rift herald is an easy strategy where if you manage to secure this early, usually low-contested objective, you can now apply pressure and leave. Rift will barrel down a turret or 2 if the enemy doesn't react and stop it first, leaving you either with time to achieve your goal somewhere else, OR force powerful tower dives on whoever decides to react to the herald. - secondly, there are runes that help you splitpush. A yorick or nasus with demolish can easily destroy structures within 10 seconds and leave. - thirdly, there is non-dedicated pushing: strategies like rift herald or sidelane yorick maiden can win you the game without having to be present yourself. This means the 4 v 5 is not a problem, as you essentially have divided yourself between the teamfight and the sidelane.
@randomnerd5807
@randomnerd5807 2 жыл бұрын
I will always remember that one Yorick game where everyone was mid and I just walked though bot lane and gutted the nexus.
@KeplerX
@KeplerX 2 жыл бұрын
As a top laner, split pushing is the only way i win my games due to my braindead bot lane
@ryloth6664
@ryloth6664 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
amen
@Arifab737
@Arifab737 2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@lucasnadamas9317
@lucasnadamas9317 2 жыл бұрын
I like to laugh to myself as they spam ping you becouse you weren't in the completely physically impossible teamfight becouse they're both 0/5
@ivantheterrible2967
@ivantheterrible2967 2 жыл бұрын
OH MY GOD, i really needed this video, love the content, tysm for covering this
@IratusEris
@IratusEris 2 жыл бұрын
to be honest, I love split pushing, more than teamfighting even, it's the only relaxing part of a league game, so I'll try to do it whenever possible. Luckily for me the champs I play have high mobility or cc to save myself from a counter split, so it usually works nicely enough. Also I thought splitting was one of the most meta things since it's usually how I win/lose games, so it's a bit of a surprise for me to hear that it's a strategy with mediocre results compared to the regular 5v5 Tho if I were to argue that splitting is good, I'd say that is would make my team think twice before going in on a tf since they'd be outnumbered, resulting in losing the objective in exchange of no dead teammates (except for the yasuo who thought they could 1v5), some towers and perhaps an inhibitor, making the superminions spawn and apply a huge amount of pressure on that lane requiring an enemy to clear that lane constantly, otherwise they'll lose to the minions breaking everything
@Closer2Zero
@Closer2Zero 2 жыл бұрын
Man I remember when Rek’sai was the new and awesome split pusher. With her teleporting ultimate, you could essentially split push 2 lanes at once, usually bot and top
@tioman42
@tioman42 2 жыл бұрын
I don't know if it's only my impression, but I feel like the quality of the videos is increasing recently. Keep it up!
@msaag5490
@msaag5490 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, at least in low to mid elos, anyone who knows how to split push whilst being in the opposite lane as the main objective (Split top if Dragon is spawning, Spilt bot if Baron is spawning) is a very strong tactic. The pressure it creates is nutty. Add to that the split pushing champion with TP and it's pretty insane.
@mranderson2048
@mranderson2048 2 жыл бұрын
I miss S10. It was the first season I started playing. With Tryndamere, farming all over the map and breaking tower was super satisfying.
@Ghost-ub3tr
@Ghost-ub3tr 2 жыл бұрын
The editing in this video was really great
@kfk4441
@kfk4441 2 жыл бұрын
I have split pushed as jinx, that freakin passive is great, sometimes I throw my ult to help destroy tower with the letal tempo
@dking1134
@dking1134 2 жыл бұрын
the production went through the roof on this video and I'm not complaining
@Roze_aye
@Roze_aye 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly. I feel that gwen can be an amazing split pusher as well. Her wave clear is pretty good. She doesnt have great mobility, but her dash and hallowed mist are still good tools to get you out of tight situations She absolutely chunks turrets in the late game. And she can compitently 1v1 a decent amount of champions
@destroyer-tz2mk
@destroyer-tz2mk 2 жыл бұрын
4:00 "Not a single splitpusher comes to mind who has bad waveclear" Cries in Camille*
@kikinek2029
@kikinek2029 2 жыл бұрын
WOW man this video quality really shoot up. And really prooves how much you are growing.
@carrier2823
@carrier2823 2 жыл бұрын
What’s funny is that ivern has an insane spilt push that no one expects between the AOEs from his shield and daisy, then his escape using his own self peel. If you ever get to late game, give split pushing a shot
@kurjao5933
@kurjao5933 2 жыл бұрын
During the mid-late game I split bot as supp Zilean up to second tower so i can stock up on gold, ward the enemy jungle and bait the enemy team into chasing since everyone underestimates how fast that man can go
@wrex4699
@wrex4699 2 жыл бұрын
Yesterday I've played a ranked flex game as Yorick top, and took first tower at 9 minutes, inhib at 15, and we ended the game by 20 minutes without the enemy team basically being able to notice what was going on. That game got me into gold in ranked flex. And I've had many situations like this in both solo quee and flex. So I would say if done properly, absolutely yes
@1XXL1
@1XXL1 2 жыл бұрын
This was my first time being on Vars' video premiere :D
@tomatoesofdoom
@tomatoesofdoom 2 жыл бұрын
Garen is also a serious split pusher now. Outclasses a lot of the actual dedicated split pushers with his changes over the past couple years.
@b.crozer
@b.crozer 2 жыл бұрын
4:14 I love how Sion ulted right into the pillar.
@bobbydreki7892
@bobbydreki7892 2 жыл бұрын
I want to place Yorick as a god-tier split pusher now. The thing is, Yorick is the only champion in the game that can split push well being at the team fight. You place your maiden at bot side for example and then you go to baron. I had a game 2 days ago where I did this but not much was happening at baron, more like turning around each other. Then my maiden came to the inhibitor, I TP in and finished the game in about 20sec (thanks swain for stoping recall with W). Yorick is I think also the best champion to counter split pushers, again you place your maiden at the other side of the map then the tryndamere for example well you stop the tryndamere from tacking your tower. Hope I convinced some people, good luck on the Rift
@bmrajino2740
@bmrajino2740 2 жыл бұрын
Thing is most fights Yorick wins are fights where he has maiden next to him
@shanecoffing
@shanecoffing 2 жыл бұрын
If you go watch Neace, he explains how splitpushing is still the most effective way to climb elo as a toplaner as you aren't relying on teammates.
@hienlam0204
@hienlam0204 2 жыл бұрын
4:12 trundle+sion's super synergy
@madsgrams2069
@madsgrams2069 2 жыл бұрын
XIn Zhao's a good split-pusher too. He doesn't have the greatest wave clear ever, but he has three empowered auto-attacks on a single ability and the CD is ridiculously low. And since he's basically all auto-attacks, he usually builds tons of attack speed (BotRk, Trinity Force, Wit's End), which coupled with the buff on his Audacious Charge means he can take down towers almost as fast as Fiora, Gwen or Tryndamere.
@Deathangel-fk2yy
@Deathangel-fk2yy 2 жыл бұрын
As a someone who played Quinn pretty often, I’m really, REALLY missing Sanguine Blade
@alucardonus
@alucardonus 2 жыл бұрын
Great Splitpusher is Kled. His massive HP pool together with Demo rune, His W and his ability for quick repositions (R), Disengages (E) and combat ability to easilly 2v1 midgame suits his perfectly for this role. Ad Hydra being one of 1st items he builds, he also have fair clear capability. He even fits to Teleport strategy as he can port really far away and still make it just on time pretty fine.
@TristanDecker2017
@TristanDecker2017 2 жыл бұрын
splitpushing would be a nice re-addition since right now, as a top player, the only real role it feels like most champions have to actually impact the game is "hehe frontline" unless you exclusively play Camille, Renekton (save for the gutting worlds patch) or Darius, who really shine in either picking people off midgame or running over a teamfight while laning relatively safely. Sort of goes alongside there being only one way to win as mentioned previously. Though this might bring things like Vayne, Kennen, Kalista back into the toplane meta to try and help keep the pressure off the splitpush with range advantage, it would feel way better to be able to win those lanes and still impact the game even if bot is 0/6 at 10 minutes (on a good day)
@augustina3657
@augustina3657 2 жыл бұрын
You could potentially do a video on warding and vision. I'm very, very bad at this game and would appreciate a video on where and when to ward. Like go over each role and how they could use their wards to the greatest effect.
@maguc5906
@maguc5906 2 жыл бұрын
I learned to play by playing with my friends and even most of my time playing is playing with friends. I gravitated towards Top, with strong, juggernaut champions like Sett, Morde, and Garen and had it drilled into me that if 2-4 people are already at dragon/baron, i should push the closest lane i had to create pressure. Either they would get distracted by dragon and I get a tower or two, or they would go after me freeing up a dragon. After the 15-20 minute mark, i start to roam a lot in order to get objectives such as towers, and i can't really imagine just staying in one lane the entire game
@riverbandit2138
@riverbandit2138 2 жыл бұрын
Just want to point this out, but Tristana is also a great split pusher. She’s a adc, so that works. Her Q helps to bring down the turret faster, her W and R are easy get out of jail free cards, and E is very very useful. Her E not only clears waves, but also attaches to the turret, deal damage, and clear a minion wave. I play her top so it’s been really easy at times when I get the chance. She’ll bring down a turret in no time flat.
@pedala5794
@pedala5794 2 жыл бұрын
4:13 that sion trundle synergy
@CloudWalkBeta
@CloudWalkBeta 2 жыл бұрын
as a mr singed man, i miss the old split pushing supplements that benefitted him like ZZ portal, anyone else remember seeing Singed420 proxying with ZZ portal in the enemy base eating up all 3 lanes CS for himself? XD also anyone can split push is well stated, i once started a slow split push as Ivern, i used E on the backline to weaken the enemy wave, and forced a 5v5 siege, using Locket of Solari & Redemption we kept the pressure real heavy, eventually, this HUGE minion wave in the side lane reached enemies towers and of course some one left to deal with it, we forced a 5v4 & won the game off of that, subtle yet very effective.
@herrdoktor1810
@herrdoktor1810 2 жыл бұрын
I loved splitpushing back in the day. I used to do it every game, but now it's so incredibly risky with the enemy being able to catch you super easy and objectives being so incredibly valuable.
@P4TRICCS
@P4TRICCS 2 жыл бұрын
My favorite thing to do. Especially with Yorick. More fun to do with Yorick send the maiden to a lane and go on an another.
@caetanoba1
@caetanoba1 2 жыл бұрын
Awsome video, I just didn't like the part of forgetting one of the Champs that make split viable SION
@twigz3214
@twigz3214 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly it feels like splitpushing is the strongest strategy for solo que, at least before high diamond/masters anyway. Mainly because it doesn’t rely on anything other than you being ahead and your champion being able to side-lane, which most bruisers and assassins can do well. If I’m ahead on talon I can easily duel anyone if I play the fight correctly, I agree that playing 5v5 is always an option but if your team is behind or just refuses to engage it’s usually a lot better to just split push and do something instead of sitting mid with your team while the other team wave-clears.
@amber327
@amber327 2 жыл бұрын
AP volibear is a surprisingly good splitpusher due to the passive and E scaling mixed with the ult, and being able to sustain with W & E in 1v2s which would be tricky to win. Basically become a Base-Bear
@goldenmemes51
@goldenmemes51 2 жыл бұрын
Vars I’m a long time subscriber and I main split champs , I gotta say good video but I wish u talked the difference between side laning and split pushing
@lordsnia2152
@lordsnia2152 2 жыл бұрын
well said as usual. sad thing to add tho, some very good team-fighting champs end up being played as a split-pusher such as Vladimir and Heimerdinger. saw you Scooch's. should we be expecting a tier list of reworks from you too?😜 thanks for quality content. keep it up. wish you well. take care.
@SpookSkellington
@SpookSkellington 2 жыл бұрын
Ziggs should get an honorable mention because of his absolutely insane tower damage. He does by far the most damage in the entire game to turrets
@soggz9190
@soggz9190 2 жыл бұрын
Also a ult that can hit the middle of map if his on the side or that can be used to make a lane start pushing without anyone there
@siegelfried372
@siegelfried372 2 жыл бұрын
i really think they should change the nexus turrets back to when they shot continuous lasers that increased their damage over time. The nexus just felt safer back then and sieging wasnt as hard to defend from
@sctkarter1111
@sctkarter1111 2 жыл бұрын
I teleport split push with Jax and Fiora all the time since they can 1v1 pretty much anyone in the game. But it only works if your team is smart enough to push when the enemy team comes after you and not try to come your direction
@dragonslair951167
@dragonslair951167 2 жыл бұрын
I've had more fun playing Yorick than just about anyone else, but the safe windows of opportunity to splitpush are rare. I eventually just gave up and switched to other MOBAs.
@devincamp8274
@devincamp8274 2 жыл бұрын
I'm gonna just say, my *main* playstyle in *ranked* is playing off meta champs in support role and split pushing almost the *entire* game, either their whole team pushes a 4v5 defensive mid barrier that slows them while I take base, or half or more of them come at me while my team hard pushes mid or retakes our base. It's the most OP strategy if used right and is why I consistently rank Gold/Plat.
@joaquinalejandrovincent7634
@joaquinalejandrovincent7634 2 жыл бұрын
I think that illaoi is one of the best split pushers in the game, only for the fact that she has an amzing 1v5 so she really can just do what she wants if she manage to get out of lane even or wining
@dmrpro5987
@dmrpro5987 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos keep getting better and better! Good job!
@blastingsmite4533
@blastingsmite4533 2 жыл бұрын
Given how the average League player doesn't know what a minimap is, I wait for my 0/10 Yas to srtart his next teamfight which he drags my entire team into and tear through top lane meanwhile
@AtomBacon
@AtomBacon 2 жыл бұрын
I credit the enemy team's obliviousness more than my Champ's strength but I once split pushed bot and got tier 2 tower, inhib tower, and inhib... *with Zillian!*
@darknessdash1853
@darknessdash1853 2 жыл бұрын
the reason top and mid take teleport in higher elo games is due to splitpushing and wave management, you want to shove the waves before an objective so that you can force an enemy off of the objective or they risk losing a kill or two in gold if not a tower on top of that so it allows side laners to farm on the opposite side of the map and apply pressure while being present for objective fights
@distraction2803
@distraction2803 2 жыл бұрын
You don't know the terror of split pushing until you see an Aphelios with Hullbreaker & red/white kill your towers and your tanks in 2 seconds each
@Girzi
@Girzi 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, both the winning and losing side of it aside, I find split pushing to be a good mechanic to learn for any player. As he said that the game has become so snowbally that most games are done after a certain point, I find learning to semi split push while behind allows for the opportunity to gain a little bit more gold and apply pressure to allow your team to try and hold on better. I understand that most other players might not understand, but it's better than taking a losing 5v5 anyways. So why not get a little more gold to carry no? :)
@okidoxb4846
@okidoxb4846 2 жыл бұрын
i see this vid and raise you: Base race nothing is more exhilarating than that!
@crashka5860
@crashka5860 Жыл бұрын
The thing is that even if your team doesn’t stall for time you are spending the entire time getting gold and exp which means that you often end up being deceptively strong leading to the enemy team send one person to stop the 0/0/0 yorick and failing to realise that he has 2 levels and 2 full items on their entire team and is able to 1v2 and continue his push alleviating pressure from the rest of his team
@thezinogre9197
@thezinogre9197 2 жыл бұрын
It makes it way more interesting I love base races
@ryloth6664
@ryloth6664 2 жыл бұрын
I split push everytime cause ur team either has someone who is so fed that they can take on entire enemy team by themselves or ur team is so behind that any team fight u show up too u have already lost cause enemy team is fed or knows how to team fight well, but when I splitpush I force a team to make a decision and in soloq where there is a lot of bad decision making i end up having the fed person answering me or the individual crucial for the team fight answering or I take everything and base with a tidy profit
@GameBooAdvancePlus
@GameBooAdvancePlus 2 жыл бұрын
I've had some success split pushing (not to the win condition but as a general focus to disrupt the enemy team) with Teemo's still absurd map control.
@smolblueboy7487
@smolblueboy7487 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly I think split pushing is better overall especially in low elo since everyone groups mid and fights for nothing
@MZstudios2
@MZstudios2 2 жыл бұрын
Shyvanna should be an honorable mention, she can split push lanes and shred turrets with her high dmg (plus her q), she can run away with her w, insane pressure from her dmg and dragon form
@butterflyfx57
@butterflyfx57 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny watching this video during Hullbreaker meta. Splitpushing is very viable now!
@logan7781
@logan7781 2 жыл бұрын
Off topic, but you should do a video on Champs that use enemy waves like Irelia, Yasuo, etc
@TsyChun
@TsyChun 2 жыл бұрын
well as someone who has played dota, the fact that you can tp back to base with no cost or cooldown makes it almost impossible to win games out of splitpushing, in dota it was limited and even if you got cancelled, you had a 1 min cooldown on the tp scrolls. this makes splitpushing and base race so rare in lol while it was at least more common and very fun when it happened and satisfying when you won the base race in dota. imo it would be cool and help in that matter if we had at least a 15 or 30 sec cd on recall, it would also make cancelling recall in lane more rewarding etc.
@Stachelbeeerchen
@Stachelbeeerchen 2 жыл бұрын
As ah splitpush main id say that its situationaly viable. Its great being able to crack down a tower when enemies leave you alone for a minute to aply more pressure, give your team a gold injection and create new ways into enemy jungle. It shouldn't however be a top priority. Only splitpush with protection like: Deep wards in river or jungle, pressure on othee lanes from your mates, enemies doing big objectives and your other mates scouting enemy jungle.
@siddarthsrinivas5349
@siddarthsrinivas5349 2 жыл бұрын
Akshan's invisible split push is surprisingly effective
@Valcerv
@Valcerv 2 жыл бұрын
Semi related: I won a game on a 1 15 gangplank where I fell behind and just went the inting sion with hullbreaker playstyle and somehow won with it then proceeded to get 14 day suspension since it was picked up as inting by a bot even though I was the one that last hit the nexus in a split push.
@asophropyll
@asophropyll 2 жыл бұрын
I remember climbing starting from silver to plat 1 using my "Mundo Dislike towers" strat I would buy all three raptor cloak items, yes even ohm, and also go demolisher and titanic hydra and act like I'm nasus stacking up top and never leaving
@sanchezcarmonaerickyabin1001
@sanchezcarmonaerickyabin1001 2 жыл бұрын
Well, personally when I see an enemy doing splitpush I just say “there it goes, the idiot strategy” ‘cause as you mentioned, it is more an annoying strategy rather than a viable one, yet what pisses me of is that my own team usually decides to ignore the enemy who’s splitpushing saying that “stoping him is a toplaner job”, yes, they might be right, it’s just that sometimes there no way for you to stop a Yorick alone, and when my team decides to help me, it is already too late as the Yorick, Nasus, etc. Is too ahead to be stopped by trading, So conclusion, splitpushing annoys me because of the usual lack of capacity my teammates and I have to stop it
@alejandrolorenzoherandez1988
@alejandrolorenzoherandez1988 2 жыл бұрын
Split pushing is viable but right now the game is so complex that the average player can't do it properly because right now you need all 4 members in your team to be in the same page but before you could just go for a tower and the enemy team would not know how to react since EVERYONE IN LEAGUE HAVE IMPROVED THEM SELF THEIR MECHANICS BUT THEIR MENTAL AND CORE TEAM GAMEPLAY HAVEN'T so yeah split push is posible but your team need to be able to pull it up as 5 so you yourself don't fail
@thec-yb6ug
@thec-yb6ug 2 жыл бұрын
not with yorick u go with 3 ghouls + herald mid let maiden bot and yourself top the enemy team is in a 5v6 situation with 4 people in the enemy being dead
@gabrielbaima7891
@gabrielbaima7891 2 жыл бұрын
@Vars the thing I like more about your videos is why and when to do things or buy itens.I'd never know that A. Chains were good against splitpushers if it wasn't for this video. Couldn't you make a video explaining wich itens are good for what? I bet there are many like me who thinks that stormrazor and rapidfire cannon are almost the same
@caminuscrafts.
@caminuscrafts. 2 жыл бұрын
What about Heimer's split push with his turrets? If both the laner and the turret are low, you can ult Q under turret during cannon wave and you're almost guaranteed to get at least a kill or the tower (unless the jungler comes, but that opens up opportunity elsewhere for your team)
@peschionator7873
@peschionator7873 2 жыл бұрын
The biggest problem I have with splitpushing is Tryn and inting Sion. I am one of the few people I know that defends Sion's passive, I think it's a great disruption tool in a teamfight, something he is supposed to do as a tank. But killing towers in seconds while being almost unkillable and then still needing to be taken care of after he died is just a nuisance.
@RoomPole
@RoomPole 2 жыл бұрын
yorick trapped me, then opened up my head today
@PowerChorder999
@PowerChorder999 2 жыл бұрын
In Season 1: aAa won a tournamet using Twisted Fate and Summoner Spell - 'Fortify': Strat went like that: -TF split pushed, using his (back then, completely global) ult alongside TP. -Meanwhile the rest of the team used wave clear and the (now dead) Summoner Spell - 'Fortify' (which would render a Turret Invincible as well as make it shoot faster for a few seconds!) to win should they get dove. Enemy team would have to send someone after TF to make him stop his pushing - but then TF could use his ult to join his team for a 5v4. This might not sound so impressive now, but we live in an age where split pushing, rotating, TP ganks and objective control are just a usual part of the game, however, in those times: League was just about an extremely long (and lonely), 20-min-long laning phase (with very minimal ganks) that eventually transitioned into a few fights that decided the game, and that's it. We didn't have "macro", and in general, a player going to sidelanes just to push would be considered an act of griefing (refusing to play with the team).
@xkey_blade9558
@xkey_blade9558 2 жыл бұрын
Vars you forgot Sion the King of Split Push with the inting BausSpecial ;)
@frostyhotcocoa7809
@frostyhotcocoa7809 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who split pushes on four roles (cuz I suck at mid), yes Cuz I can tilt toxic ADCs as Yuumi mostly, they almost always spam missing ping when I split push while nothing happens on the rift
@familyfriendusenarme8221
@familyfriendusenarme8221 2 жыл бұрын
Damn this is going to be good
@aidanspence1178
@aidanspence1178 Жыл бұрын
Something only briefly mentioned in this video is that splitpushing gets a lot better if the enemy team is as or more uncoordinated than yours is. This happens a lot in SoloQ. The scenarios you proposed assume that your team is worse than the enemy, while that's not always the case, despite what everyone seems to think. Splitpushing may not often be an effective wincon, but it is very good at taking control of the map and shifting pressure. 1 good splitpush can often completely shift tempo in the enemy's favour by opening up a giant hole on your side of the map, and obviously vice versa. The team on the recieving end now has drastically less freedom on the map.
@cyrillaville2367
@cyrillaville2367 2 жыл бұрын
iit's usually my go to strat when we can no longer win teamfights and i can 1 v 1 anyone on the enemy team it works pretty well if the team avoids getting engaged (thats a big IF but it's better that just trying to win an impossilbe teamfight)
@Dtgray12
@Dtgray12 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome Kirby ost
@yoosperson9753
@yoosperson9753 2 жыл бұрын
and shyvana ad too , she is a bit slower than yorick at killing the towers but she is really fast , as someone that used to play yorick i know the timing very well of a tower lifebar going down with the 2 and is very simmilar
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