Thanks for watching everyone!

I’m just a collector. Never sold a card, traded a few, but I even have all my childhood cards from the 80s and 90s. I enjoy the fun of collecting. These investors and flippers have taken the spirit out of the hobby. I don’t even like my local hobby shop anymore, because it’s more about the business. Whatever happened to the pack of cards for 50 cents? As a kid, I could afford that, but how can kids and parents afford the current prices even at Walmart? Investors and flippers ruined a great hobby for most people.

$7-800 box is turned into 15$, 99% of the time. That’s why I buy singles, a year or 2 after the hype. Prices usually fall by 95% on 95% of those that are over priced. Greed, Greed, and more GREED.

I consider myself much more of a collector/dealer than a flipper, but I've been having as much fun during the last several months as I did during the height of the market. The key for me is that I largely stay away from ultra modern cards, which, as you mention, are often flipped like a hot potato from one person to the next. Instead, I try to focus on cards collectors truly want--key rookies, rare 1990s inserts, pre-war cards like t206, etc. Those happen to be the cards I prefer for my PC, so the collector/dealer aspect meshes together pretty well. I'm not necessarily making a ton of money, but I consider it a fun side hustle + hobby. I agree that there are a lot of scammers and shady people in the hobby, but that's always been a huge problem, going back to the 1990s and surely before that. It just comes with the territory. Anyway, sorry to hear you're getting out for now. Hopefully, you'll jump back in down the road.

The hobby will always be in a catch 22. Remember, the companies are not worried about long-term values of these cards. Their job is print supply to meet demand. When the hobby is popular, late 80’s/early 90’s and the past 5 years, they are printing more to meet demand and you get a glut of worthless cards. When the hobby is less popular, they print less and the cards hold their value over time. Thats the irony and why you should never look at them from an investment point of view. The best era of cards that hold their value are usually when no one is collecting or before people knew to take care of their cards. That’s why the hobby will always be in a catch 22.

Whatnot has exacerbated this problem. People are taking advantage of undereducated collectors and cards are now selling for 50% or higher above comps. Crazy times.

2 things. You aren't supposed get your money back on a box. And yes, boxes are overpriced

You're absolutely right about the lack of value you get from a hobby box in recent years. Back in 2008, I bought 2 hobby boxes (for $60 dollars each?) of Leaf rookies and stars. In one box, I pulled a Calvin Johnson auto to 15 (still in my PC) and in the other, an Emerald auto of Marshawn Lynch to 5 (traded for vintage Steeler cards). The odds certainly seem much steeper pulling monster hits these days.

The idiots continue to buy hobby boxes over $300 or more, until people stop spending that much, it won’t change these greedy companies from jacking up the prices and I never buy cards from dealers, eBay is the way to go with auctions, selling can suck with the fees ebay has but there are ways around it with setting a certain price with the fees incorporated in the price and you can gradually lower the price as it doesn’t sell

That’s why you should only collect vintage cards. Modern cards are strictly for suckers..

New wax is just a lottery ticket, you will lose most of the time.

You hit the nail on the head. If there is no collector ultimately buying the card, the market is pure speculation. The market will likely collapse and speculators will be left with product without a buyer...big losses for those left holding the bag.

Starting to see a lot of the points you make and totally agree with you. Plus the seemingly endless variations of cards is diluting the value of cards so much that a 1/1 isn't even a 1/1 anymore. I collect Nico Collins and obtained his 1/1 and was excited only to find 7-8 other variations of the same 1/1 card with different inserts (Shield vs. Laundry Tag vs. Swoosh vs. Glove vs. Jersey...etc). Until things settle down, I tend to agree that it may be time to step away from the hobby from the business perspective of things. It used to be as simple as "you have what I want, I have what you want, let's trade.". You don't see that as much anymore....at least not that simple.

Too much modern is crap with sticker autos and fake patches

Nice to hear you bag on Jeff Wilson, Fraudstein, Santiago, Goldin, Card Molestor2, and Blez……Mojo is another one who needs to dip….

Been collecting since the 90s. Was definitely a childhood hobby, it's definitely my adulthood hobby. It's never gonna die for guys like me. The PC would break some hearts too.

Well said….. And let’s not forget Sports Card Radio, they aren’t much better. They might act like they are exposing scammers, but work their own brand in = openly admitting to selling out for the right price, call people names, creepy sexual comments about young girls = ONE of the brothers is married with children…. But hey, just some boys talking shop, right 🤨. So even the hobby “watchdogs” aren’t much better. Oh, they toggle between supporting / calling out the folks like Goldin / Brian Gray / etc……. Two-faced, if you will 🍻

Everything said is 💯 I collected as a kid in the early 90’s I recently pulled my collection out to see what I had and decided to get back in the hobby to collect the cards I missed from 95 to now but the vintage prices are crazy!

I started collecting in 1990. It's always been a hyped up scam.

100% agree, I got into it as more of a gambling addiction, but about half a year ago it really kicked in that most people are just greedy/scammers/snake oil salesmen.

I'm going to stop wasting time looking for Sports Cards. Too many have gone down in value. What's the point in investing when your collection has gone down by $2m in value.

Don’t leave!! Just pretend it’s 1988!! Do it for the fun!!

I was about to dip my toes into this hobby but what you talked about in terms of flippers really put the spotlight on a bad vibe i was getting about this hobby. I can also see an inevitable crash happening. For now i will be an interested observer only. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

A lot depends on how you approach the hobby, eho you watch on KZfaq and who you associate with in the hobby.

Just like when sneakers died, flippers will now move on to something else and kill it now that cards are dying

Lol. I collected cards as a kid back in the late 70s and early 80s. I just recently bought a card collection from a former dealer. Had absolutely no idea what cards were selling for. I paid for it because of the volume of cards he had. Then I went online and was shocked at cards prices. Most of the cars I bought were mostly junk wax which is a term i just learned. Lol. Luckily he had a ton of basketball cards that are from the late 80s and early 90. Lots of Jordan's, none of the rookie card. Like I said, I bought the cards as a hobby, thinking I could sell some to recoup what I paid. I had no clue that cards were so expensive.

I’m collecting cards from when I was a kid in the 80’s early 90’s. I buy what I like and don’t care what they’re worth. I just like having them on display.

I just collect what I like. Love oddball cards from the 70's, Cardinals items, and schedule posters.

Seeing no packs of cards at all in Target, etc is what will be the final nail. I bought 2 packs the other day, lucked upon being there when the guy was stocking shelves. Went back the next day to get another pack and everything was gone!! There is no way that many collectors bought them all in a day. Some douchebag probably gobbled them all up at once.

Sounds like youre just saying youve been priced out of the hobby. I personally got tired of all the pettiness with condition of cards and artificial pop reports. Its always "Oh! This one is a pop of just 25 in a ten!" Or "This one has a scratch!" Or "Oh!! This card has a dinged corner!" I switched to original photographs and havent looked back. Sure, many of those have taken off in value, but theres still alot of undervalued photos where theyre still in their infancy. Mantle rookies, Mays rookies, George Brett rookies, etc. Ive found tons of deals, even with some type 1 photos, and especially type II.

I too quit baseball card collecting, buying many cards myself. I started out collecting them since the 60's, I'm 62 now and, my journey was well over 50 years. I have no complaints other than 1 major baseball card company, there is no real money in the hobby. I'll keep my major cards and, will be selling the remainder of my 784,000 cards, my good cards will be buried with me. I will still hold my goodies because 99% can't afford my cards, most are graded between 9 to 10, I have a handful of 7 grade cards and, only 1 graded a 6 which is fine with me.

Solid video man. Good to take a break for sure. My question for you though is how are you going to strategically step away from the hobby. I mean, the hobby comes with people addicted to certain habits, like checking ebay, facebook marketplace, etc... for card deals. Pacing Target and Walmart for new card releases. Not to mention friend networks into cards pulling you back in. As someone, who'd also like to take a step back, I'm curious what your input would be. Thanks

I stopped collecting when Topps RUINED the Baseball card hobby years and years ago. I will eventually just sell off everything I have except my tobacco and early 1900's cards. The card hobby is GARBAGE NOW and that really sucks but everything has it's day.

I collected in the early 90s, then didn't buy a pack for almost ten years. Got back into the hobby in the 2010s, but here in Japan where I live now the MLB packs are expensive so I didn't buy that much. I've decided to just buy individual cards instead of gambling on boxes and such. That way I get what I want and can invest my money as the Yen is useless.

the hobby becomes a lot more fun when you collect what you love The hobby has turned into the hype beast of the industry, Peyton Manning autos are cheaper than Joe Burrow. So collect the guys like that, have fun with it. Make it fun for yourself! I understand where you are coming from, but know that there is fun in the hobby. It sounds like the hype has taken over and most of your complaints come from the hype hype. ;)

I saw you in Hickory. That was a while ago…..quit youtube and don’t quit the hobby. KZfaq is the problem…..

I think we are far away from the collector being the end buyer. Even though prices are going down there is still a ways to go.

personally whe"n i see severals box of NBA for exemple at so 700dollar or same 1000 dollar is so expensive really it's destroy this hobby really

cards newer than 1975 is a waste of time. I own complete sets of 1933 and 1934 goudey as well as complete sets of topps 1952 to 1973. I make an average of 8 to 12 million a month. The money is not the happiness though rather it is the joy of seeing, having, and knowing the history of baseball that brings the happiness.

You could get your money back two-fold or more in buying product up until about September of 2011. This is from my own personal experience.

This is why I collect alot of formula 1 and nascar its a little more affordable and being a fan I almost enjoy every single card i don't feel the need to flip. Baseball product is great but under valued and the hit rates in basketball and football suck

I think here in NC there are too many shows. Between Sports Wax, Tidewater, Inside Pitch and all the local promoters and card shops shows and trade nights, there is a show every weekend. I use to get excited to see a show pop up and plan my weekend around it. But now I see a show and I am like, I'll go to the next one.

I know that selling cards at shows are usually trades or cash. How do you record those transaction for your business? Sort of as a "proof" of the transaction?

Hope you kept all your Brady Collection. Hobby always goes thru cycles, leave now but come back when timing is right for you.

Market is over saturated with product. There’s no such thing as exclusive anymore when you have numerous ‘exclusive’ type products. It’s too expensive for the average Joe. You have professional flippers who go to retail stores and buy up all the merchandise the day they’re released and the average collector doesn’t get a chance to purchase any.

Card market is a sinking ship, I made the decision to get out myself

I collect old Pirates baseball cards (pre-'73 ... Clemente's last year in a release). I don't worry about condition much and care even less about value or grades. I'm having a blast putting together team sets and doing individual player runs. It works for me.

I AM WITH YOU! OUT OF THE HOBBY!! IT IS DONE UNTIL AI GRADING.

I agree with pretty much everything you said! I just got back into the hobby after my spurs drafted Wemby so I wanted to collect again. My sons are now doing it a bit as well but what I quickly found out is that its nothing like it used to be. Fools like the sports card investor and other fake clowns like sage the card collector as well share so many false narratives and make it seem like theres money to be made in sports cards when in reality there isn't! I dont like the people in it for the money cause they pretty much ruin it for the rest of us. The market gets flooded with cards that are overpriced and fake! It sucks but I'm gonna continue to only purchase what I want for my PC and stop buying anything new all together. Much respect for speaking truth!

Dang someone sounds like a bitter ex wife! U are calling everybody idiots but yourself, cause if u was buying football cards to make money u are a idiot knowing that u can't make money off of a $800 hobby box with only one position worth any money. The only problem in the hobby is over printing and 3rd person sellers charging $70 for $19.99 box.

It’s called post-show hangover. You will be back once that wears off. Also, hire an assistant and pay them an hourly rate plus percentage of profits. Also watch out for teens and young adults they will steal from your table when you are distracted.

That's why you stick to vintage cards!

Why are PSA still charging $15 per card? Most cards are worth under $10 these days

Interesting take on shows. I agree, all I hear is a flipper offering half comps "cuz I'm a dealer, I need to make my end, bro" at every show I am at. I am a collector. I don't sell. I keep. Been collecting 1 guy for 30 plus years BUT, that said, I'm not really your "mark" as you described the need for the end collector who "really values" that card. I wont pay "retail" or top comps for anything. If I cant buy it cheap, I leave it. Cards are just pieces paper or plastic, so I dont sweat them. I am close to a lot of dealers, I have a very good understanding of what cards sell for form dealer to dealer. that's what I'll pay, not much more usually. prices are crashing back thankfully, the last few years were retail sucker bubbles.

I collect this one baseball player who is/will be in the HOF easily. I have 18 of his rookie cards that I have bought individually over the past 18 months. 8 out of those 18 have gone up in value significantly. I only buy singles from Ebay or at flea markets. I NEVER buy boxes. NEVER buy any modern cards.. I just cant do it.

Agree w a lot your points. I'm still setting up 2 or 3 times a month...and....its...a......GRIND. I can relate to the guys buying at 60-75% so they can immediately go flip on What-not or elsewhere...... As if I woke up early, loaded my truck, drive-time, Hotel room, table fees, set up time, and do it all again in reverse..... just to present my collection to them at 65% 😅. I can avoid all that and fire sell everything on ebay at 87% after fees any day of the week, from my living room. But they get annoyed when I want near comps for my effort. Like I said. ITS...A....GRIND

A lot of fair points, don't follow you and this is the first video I've seen but I do this for a living. I'm not a monster breaker or influencers but overall I guess where I disagree overall is that even though a lot of what you said is true there are still spots for smart people to make money. What is happening is that the "low hanging fruit" is gone. Now you need to have the right connections to move cards at comps and the ability to buy smart. Also grading pipelines are very important and just having a good eye for value. I don't think it's fair you called about CC2 with some of those other names (which I agree with) - I mean the only derogatory thing you said about him is that he's a "huge nerd". Dude we collect paper sports pictures...we are all nerds to some degree. Ryan (CC2) is a good guy, I've done deals with him and met him on many occasions. You come off like one of those people that look for the bad in people before the good. If you are on video helping kids and giving stuff away then you are automatically trying to make money off their rich parents? Come on. We can be good people while also trying to make a living. Good luck in your next adventure.

Good video. Like how you called out the shady people. I hope you still collect some. I really enjoy it but you hit the nail on the head in this video. Collecting should be fun. I mean, yeah, I love pulling good cards too, but I collect for the fun of it. Good luck in your future.

Nor to mention you can't even send a vintage or 90's card into PSA because they pop control the hell out of those cards. I have gem 10 Jordan's and metal universe 1996 with all those HOF and i can't even grade these cards because PSA will give them a 7-8-9 will never give a 10

I've noticed a number of these "I'm quitting sports cards" videos on KZfaq lately. Time to buy singles? I think so, if you buy the right player and the right cards. The real value for me is in the Leaf Metal Draft 2022 football cards. That's a very limited print set, the cards are amazing..... and the prices are great. If you grab the right players, you will make money. 💰💰💰

I started collecting baseball cards in 1983 and got out of the hobby around 2001. I never thought or looked at the cards like an investment. Got back into the hobby a few years ago. Can't believe that even the flagship boxes were selling f4

I agree I only collect my PC guys now no more retail and no more breaks just not worth it.

It’s so true I declined someone’s offer for 80 percent on my downtowns and he got mad it’s crazy how there my cards and there getting mad

I hope you take the 7k people who watched this video with you. So I can get back to collecting cards to 2012 prices. It’s been crazy since 2018 but the last 2-3 years, I’ve felt like you do right now.

ALT destroyed the hobby. That is why I am done. Cards should not be based upon latest ebay sales. I sold my collection 4mo ago for $2,000 if I waited until now i wouldnt have even gotten half.

Cardcollector2 does give off Harry from Home Alone vibes LMFAO

Good luck. The scammers will never leave, this is one of the few places where they are accepted and even respected.

that's funny lol I am just starting my ebay w/ random card lots & finding the complete opposite experience, sorry to hear..... i do think the graded cards have hurt the hobby & praying raw cards get more attention again

Ohtani cards have more value then the Yen! Japanese fans buying them up!

I feel the same as you albeit it from maybe a different perspective. I feel like walking away and collecting bottle caps 😂

I agree with a lot of your points in the video. I think it's honestly a great time to be a collector right now. Like you said, you can get actual HoF autos, etc for cheaper than guys that haven't caught a ball yet. I myself this year have dedicated to collect Nascar cards as that's what I like the most. Am I going to make money off of it? Heck no. Do I enjoy collecting them? Yes of course. I just think the flippers and dealers who are trying to get money out of this hobby are ruining it. And companies love it, so the companies' quality is going downhill quickly as they pump out 50 new sets with poor quality control. And guess what? People still buy it. If you look at this hobby as a money-making opportunity, you're in the wrong hobby. I don't think sports cards are dead, I just think that flippers and dealers that are in for the money just highlight the negatives. KZfaq does as well. If you're a collector, collecting for the fun of it and buying what you want, you're in a good spot right now. I've been having the most fun in the hobby since I started collecting and the only thing that I've changed is buying single cards that I want. Just make sure to be careful with what wax you spend, and not buy any wax that don't seem like a good deal for yourself.

Prizm hobby lol 1K plus depending where you go is freaking insane and gatekepping certain cards out of blaster and mega is wild

they are mainly dropping bc of the economy less disposable income means cards drop and people don't wantt to keep buying into something that keeps dropping

One of the bigger problems we have in this space is the the older, legacy dealers are basically just memorabilia shops now. These guys are lazy because they don't even bother to learn about the players anymore. But this is not an issue with the younger streamers whom everyone seems to hate. At least those guys take the time to research the players and they keep up with multiple sports not just one specific area. The legacy guys hate streamers and breakers and constantly bash them instead of trying to learn something from them. We are our own worst enemy.

And that`s the trading card hobby. in a nutshell, And I agree.

This is the exact same thing that has happened to the Comic Book hobby, Stupid Speculators

If you could of spent 100k on cards in 2018 you could have millions. If you spent 100k on rare vintage cards you could of made at least 20% in profit. Several good points you made and sorry that you had a bad experience and anything dealing with money you run the risk of it turning negative.

It’s a shame there is a need for a voice like yours in our hobby.

Salisbury was a big turn out and it was our biggest show to date$$$$$ .We broke all records

New shit and greed wiped folks out...

Been collecting on and off for 40+ years, but it was never for the money. I love hunting down vintage cards and collections to build my sets. However, I recently stopped buying ultra modern retail and hobby. I feel we're in another junk wax era and I'd rather stick with vintage (1909-1980).

U know that's why I just don't buy that stuff. But what u can afford.

The Sports Guy Investor LMAO !!!! Is that Geoff from Market Movers...? Crazy

A collector's view NOW is to purchase singles. Breaking wax is nothing but a huge gamble. Collector's have to adapt to the times. I buy vintage cards, but to see the allure in modern cards; the players are still in the game. Sorry to see you go!

I feel you, I was depressed back in like 2018 I believe and I was spending anywhere from $500-3000 a month on sports cards for like 2 years I believe so I spend a lot of $ on sports cards

Speaking of camping ..u ever heard of a guy named steve whall or something like that .i got into him back early in the pandemic stage . Got me through some tuff lockdown times . Cool dude

Can’t wait to see it come down on the flippers so they have to go back to stocking shelves at target.

Steve wallis . Awsome content. Real dude right there . Hes100!!!!! Genuine.

If what I keep hearing about card shows is true I don’t see how they are worth anyone’s time. Also are there any barriers to entry in the sports card business? That would also explain the no profits.

Geoff Wilson is not the problem with sports cards. People who dont do their own research snd are trying to use cards as a get rich quick scheme are the problem. Geoff is exceptionally rich with money to waste. But he has helped me re-think and focus what I want to collect, wants to invest in and want to flip. The problem 1000% is whatnot and breakers. Breaking preys on peoples gambling addicitions. I see guys on whatnot pay more for half the teams in a break than the hobby boxes cost. Part of me thinks that the breaker himself bidding people up and then probably cancelling the sales when its their own buy and selling the singles. Then you see breakers cancel the sales when a huge hit comes. Every big card seems to come from a breaker and it is why boxes cost so much. Like you said, breakers screaming like idiots over a $100 card when the person lost money on the break gets old and stupid.

So youre not buying graded vintage collections ?

Correct investors ruin every hobby

I enjoyed that roast on your way out, I laughed, you went out with a bang! I remember I found your channel when I was watching JMac's channel and he did a big parking lot deal with you a couple years ago. I liked your card show vlogs. Thanks for the content, good luck.

There's a joke in poker... "I quit, see you tomorrow."

I'd rather spend the money in a graded prewar card for 800

What I hate is, you have to keep buying the latest cards out because anything 3 months or older drops in value so fast.

I’m with you I’m even thinking about collecting vintage.

You bring good points, but all of these issues have gotten better. So I find it odd that you’re getting out now. The main thing I see is that it’s harder for flippers. For us collectors, I prefer the market now vs 1-2 years ago.

Good video, all the best.

I say don't give up you can still have fun together we can make the hobby better again Don't give up That's what they want you to do they want you to go away and if you do they win Don't let them win😢 for me I understand what you're saying very clearly and in a lot of ways you are right so pull up your bootstraps please keep giving us the information that you give us it is helpful it's needed everyone knows the good side of sport cards we definitely need to know the bad