Spray Gun Air Regulators & Diaphragm Regulators, What They Do & Why You Need One, Cheater Valves

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5 ай бұрын

Reviewing some spray gun regulators of various prices and looking at the effects of a diaphragm regulator on your spraying
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@Mr1fingersalute Күн бұрын

I hardly ever used a gauge for a loooong time, I just went by sound, feel, and what I saw also and I could always duplicate that “sweet spot”. A gauge does make it easier I suppose but I do still prefer it without especially on a clear gun simply because it just feels less “clunky”and more nimble. I definitely prefer the smaller gauges same as you if I need one. I am a sucker for digital guns and toys though! 😄 The Meiji are nice! Great content as usual, always really interesting 👍🏻

@peteshobbies5383 23 сағат бұрын

Hi Mate, I went through a similar stage and didn't use a regulator, I would probably still be there now, I just went on what I was seeing. Then, starting this channel, I realised I couldn't give people any settings for air pressure as I didn't know 😅 Fast forward to today and I wouldn't be without one of these diaphragm regulators, they smooth out the delivery so nicely, it doesn't matter what your air supply is doing its just a constant supply of steady air.. I have a diaphragm regulator in the middle of the line, but one on the gun just makes it better , cheers buddy, appreciate it 👍

@lesliwells5433 5 ай бұрын

THANKS FOR THE NEW VIDEO PETE,THIS WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO ME❤

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Lesli, You're welcome. It's good to hear it's been some use. A good constant air supply is important to get the gun spraying consistently. I hope the video showed that the diaphragm does this. Thanks for watching 👍

@roberthobson7190 5 ай бұрын

Nice one Pete I’ve been waiting for you to do this one.Thanks

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Robert, Thanks mate, hopefully there was some useful information, particularly the last 3rd of the video, about the need for a constant air supply. Cheers mate. Thanks for watching 👍

@MADEbyDANSHINO 5 ай бұрын

Good tips as always!! Thanks Pete!

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Thanks buddy, always much appreciated 👍

@jamesharrington9826 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Pete for another great n educational video, I definitely learned something I had no clue about. Always enjoy ur videos, keep up the awesome work 😀 !!!

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi James, Thanks, mate, much appreciated 👍

@bryankelley6687 5 ай бұрын

Always with the quality information, thank you Sir

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, Bryan, much appreciated 👍

@lesliwells5433 5 ай бұрын

I HAVENY SEEN ANYONE ELS DO A VIDEO LIKE THIS,VERY EXCEPTIONAL,EXTRAORDINARY,AWESOME JOB,KEEP DOING GREAT THINGS AND MAY THE GOD OF HEAVEN BE WITH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Thank you, my friend 👍

@bradleyyounger8499 5 ай бұрын

Very well explained Pete! Thank you for another great video.. i haven't painted since the 80s so i am trying to get caught up on the new technologies of guns and paints before tackling a few projects

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Cheers Bradley, hopefully, people will watch the last 3rd of the video as that's probably the most relevant as a stable air supply is key to good even finishes. Thanks for watching mate, much appreciated 👍

@Jerome3278 5 ай бұрын

🤣😂 👍🏽 nice one Pete ! A lot of videos out there but none of them to detail about the difference in air regulators, bloody Awesome! 👌🏽.Well done mate!😊

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Malcolm, thanks mate, much appreciated 👍

@bryankelley6687 4 ай бұрын

Excellent content, a ton of useful information, thank you Sir

@peteshobbies5383 4 ай бұрын

Cheers, Bryan, much appreciated 👍

@sonicalmods781 5 ай бұрын

Great video Pete! Thanks allot for this one! I played with my R160 0.8 yesterday day, haven't done any clear with it yet, so I gave it a go! I found out my sweet spot with the clear I am using was around 36 psi, First time I sprayed in my mini oven made for guitar finishing, the r160 delivered superb results! Literally I realized why you think of those guns so highly! I own another Italian spray gun that's double it's price, my finishes were just ok... sry if my comment is off topic, I just wanted to share how happy it felt to have the job done right!

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi buddy, Yeah, they are a good little gun. Don't worry about being off topic, I do that all the time 😉 😂, I do realise that when you have done something that has come out well you want to share it as it's extremely satisfying when you get it right, I still get that today so it doesn't go away 😀 Cheers mate 👍

@tolis33 5 ай бұрын

thank you very much Sir !!!! quality video as always !!!

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Thanks, buddy, much appreciated 👍

@lyndonmortimer4123 5 ай бұрын

I'm at the very start of learning to spray. Videos like this are very informative .thank you so much for your effort .

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Lyndon, Good to hear you found it OK because it was aimed at newer users, hopefully you got to the end or skipped to the last 3rd of the video as the information about having a good diaphragm regulator is important for keeping the air supply constant and steady, something that is fundamental to getting a constant finish, thanks for watching 👍

@user-un5my5bw4j 5 ай бұрын

I always prefer Diaphragm type. They last longer, and I like that they read the pressure as it is without going to max then having to squeeze the trigger then to set it because those tend to give inconsistent readingd after awhile like the 3M one I tried once it sucks. I have come to like a brand of diaphragm to get off ebay called RTI. Thet cost about $55 USD. Though my DV1-B and DV1-C have the digital above the fan control knob my DV1s mini and new Iwata Wider 4 do not have their own regulator. Most definitely not all regulators are equal. When i ran Walcom i did like the digital that the guage itself QD on and off the regulator but like the Walcom guns themselves, they simply did not last

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi buddy, I almost always use a diaphragm regulator now. It just makes the air delivery so constant and consistent, and that helps give a more uniform finish, appreciate the comments, thank you 👍

@JohnWD40TC02 5 ай бұрын

Hi Pete, this is just for you mate👌👏👏👏👏👏👏👌👍😅well done Pete that was a brilliant brilliant video and very well explained💪👊👍 I've got quite a few regulators (cheater valves) and I do prefer the digital as I can see them better (it's an age thing🙄) than an analogue gauge, you have seen the ones I use which I get from the USA the digital gauge is really good and thinners proof but the regulator is not to good so I've just bought 3 ANI regulators and replaced the gauges with the digital ones which I also like. The gauge on my RC1 went wrong so I put one of my digital gauges on that as well so I now have a few good regs and gauges🤓😎 I do like the diaphragm regulators but I don't trust the cheap one as I got one a few weeks ago but didn't realise that the knob is on the wrong side and it gets in the way🙄you don't want a knob poking you in the wrist when you are trying to paint😬🙄🤣🤣 Anyway mate a great video and thanks for taking the time to do this for us as it's very useful, cheers Pete👌👍

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi John, The ANI regulators are good value for sure. My only criticism is that they are a little long, which many, me included, will find annoying. The diaphragm regulators on the gun come into their own when you use them with the bigger consumption guns as they allow you to have 4.5 to 5 bar at the filter set and keep the pressure at the gun lower, which helps keep everything stable. I hope people watch the last 3rd of the video as that's the most important really, having a steady air supply is key to laying paint consistently. I'm sorry to hear you had problems with the knob mate. All I can say is we all experience these things occasionally 😉 🤣 Cheers mate 👍

@JohnWD40TC02 5 ай бұрын

Yeah the ANI ones are a bit long especially for what you do with the bike parts but they don't really bother me. The diaphragm regulators are nice to have as they stop that surge of air that you get each time you pull the trigger which you mentioned in the video and demonstrated very well👏👌 I think the knob problem was down to the sure size of it mate but you would think I should be used to that by now😁🤭🤣 Thanks Pete👍

@icebmwpower 18 сағат бұрын

Pete, your vids are 🔥! Period! Q1: Is SAGOLA RC-1 (the bigger one of the two) uses real glass for the lens of the gauge? Q2: Regarding the RC-1, is it a real diaphragm regulator? And if not, is it the plastic lens solvent resistant? Q3: Could you please give us some links to the last two of the vid diaphragm regulators. (ie your favourite regulators)? Thank you in advance!

@peteshobbies5383 16 сағат бұрын

Hi mate, the Sagola RC-1 uses glass, so it's resistant to thinners but not being dropped. The only diaphragm regulators in this test are the Meiji regulators, I got mine from paintingtooljapan , there is also now an official UK importers for Meiji now, if your in the UK, all details are below, UK official Meiji Importers, beyondsurfacesolutions.co.uk/ Maiji UK official website, meiji.co.uk/ Where I purchased from on Instagram instagram.com/paintingtool_jp... or on Ebay www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2652218869... Or via email, paintingtool.jp@gmail.com

@icebmwpower 16 сағат бұрын

@@peteshobbies5383 you’re super helpful as always. I will never forget the time you spent with me in discussions on Facebook when you’re leading me through the mini gun models, while I finally I’ve decided to buy the IWATA W-300-WB1. Deep bow for your kindness, mate.

@peteshobbies5383 16 сағат бұрын

@icebmwpower Thanks you mate, much appreciated 👍

@dropbear9526 5 ай бұрын

G'day Pete. The reg that is the same as the digital Meiji is branded TGR.

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Mate, Yes, that's the one, I'm not sure if it's exactly the same, but it's very similar. We can get them over here, but they are around 50 GBP, much more than in the US. Cheers mate, thanks for watching 👍

@niamakhtar2234 5 ай бұрын

The main Devilbiss regular Orange, has arrows, for direction of flow, you are connected on the reverse side. Just beimg pedantic mate caught it on the vlog!!!

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Mate, do you mean the Orange filter set I have?

@satamanschmidt3428 5 ай бұрын

Hi Pete, In America we have a company that makes Air Line Equipment called Reading Technologies, Inc. (RTI) and they make a nice spray gun regulator called the MR-1. It's a true regulator rather than a cheater valve and it's the one I use on all of my guns.

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Mate, You get a good choice over in the US, and they seem much cheaper than what we pay for the same sort of thing over here. I just looked at the RTI MR1 , we can get it over here, but it's ends up around $105 USD, which I presume is much more than you would pay?

@satamanschmidt3428 5 ай бұрын

That would be 3X what I pay for them. They come in two varieties one red knob and one blue knob. The blue is gunwasher safe as it uses Viton seals whereas the red doesn't.@@peteshobbies5383

@satamanschmidt3428 5 ай бұрын

About 3X as much as I can get them for. @@peteshobbies5383

@blademan4043 4 ай бұрын

I like the MR1 better than my inest iwata. Usually don't use regulators on most my guns. My diaphragm pressure gauge/regulator is on the wall with the secondary filtration system. The length of the hose is 12 feet 3/8 inch I.D. with high flow Milton fittings We only can use HVLP guns so volume is important. With short hoses we don't get too much change in pressure reading from the wall to the gun. Cheap chocker valves are just air volume restrictors nothing else.

@jaykrom7639 4 ай бұрын

@@peteshobbies5383Hi Pete- saw the RTI on eBay for 54.99 and 10 bucks shipping. I have one TGR AT 29.95 shipping included. Works great and the adjustment knob is on the left where you like it. The RTI looks like the knob is on the right and is extended out further- probably would get in your way! Also TGR has the same diaphragm unit with a dial gauge for ten dollars less. I really like the barrel ANI cheater valve too as they are fine on my home set up with a larger regulator/water trap at 80 psi, spaced by a 50 ft hose to my gun. Additionally, I would like to acknowledge you for your informative videos. I especially liked the ones on the spray patterns on DV1 and Prolites and have those. I don't do enough spot repairs now to really groove into one (but a TE10 with 1.2 has afforded many pleasing jobs.) Thank you, JK

@niamakhtar2234 5 ай бұрын

Pete, Sata use Swiss Renata batteries. Longevity, good, but expensive... ouch.

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Mate, Yes, you can buy the Renata CR1632 for around £4, Sata wants around £35 for their little kits, battery, o'ring, and screw on cover, which is a bit steep really

@kevinberlyn8060 5 ай бұрын

Gday Pete, came across your yoooo Tooob site whilst looking around at spraying cellulose... the ones of great interest is the one where you were spraying an orange petrol tank in Celly then you used 1K clear over the top of it... Question if I may, I believe you flatterned down the celly before you put the clear laquer ? also did you leave the tank for some time before you coated it in 1K laquer or just after the celly flashed off? Thanks in advance Kevin

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Kevin, I've done a video over Cellulose but it wasn't orange it was a grey metallic, the one I think you are referring to was 1k clear over orange, but the orange was a sanded down 2k clear over orange basecoat. That came out really good, and after 2 months, without touching it, it held more gloss than the 2k tank that was done at the same time

@stepanstepanovich5219 5 ай бұрын

Hello Pete. Help me figure out how to choose a spray gun for varnish. Meiji finer core 1.5 or sata5500rp 1.3. Varnish 20-22 sec. for painting cars. Thank you.

@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Hi Stepan, when you say "varnish 20-22 seconds do you mean that's how long it takes to go through a Ford Din 4 cup, so a thicker viscosity?

@vehiclesprayerssociety 5 ай бұрын

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@peteshobbies5383 5 ай бұрын

Thanks Mate , much appreciated as always 👍

@TimGriffin-ez9ez 4 ай бұрын

Watched this video a couple of times now LOL. Does this make a digital gun a bad choice or does the adjustment at the bottom of the gun work as the diaphragm regulating the digital gauge at the top like in the Devilbiss dv1 digital setup

@peteshobbies5383 4 ай бұрын

Hi Tim, it's a very good question. It doesn't make it a bad choice as such as many people will rely on an in-line diaphragm regulator. This will keep a steady flow to the gun. The difficulty starts when you have a more air hungry gun, like the LS400 in this video. It takes around 16.5 cfm so you will need a higher pressure at the in line diaphragm regulator to supply the amount of air needed by the tool, bigger bore hoses will help here but many, me included will use 8 to 10mm ID hoses. In this case, the air needs to be at 5 bar on the in-line diaphragm regulator to supply enough volume of air, that means without a regulator at the bottom of the gun you still get quite a serge of air at first, it also means pressure can and will drop a little at the gun, having another diaphragm regulator at the gun, set at a lower pressure eliminates that. So, for example, the other day, I was using my Sata X5500 1.3 CC with onboard digital gauge, it uses around 12cfm so my regulator is set to around 3.5bar to supply it so I just used the gun without a regulator at the bottom, if it was my HVLP Sata X5500 1.3 I would use a regulator at the bottom as my feed would need to be up at 5bar as with the LS400. Hope that makes sense 😉😀

@TimGriffin-ez9ez 4 ай бұрын

I had to read it twice for it to sink in 😂 I have found I lean towards a digital version because it helps me to articulate gun and wrist. Now I feel more informed and would go for the Meiji diagram. How good is the sata 1.3cc. ? Have a great Monday

@peteshobbies5383 4 ай бұрын

Hi Tim, it was quite a long reply, so I'm not surprised you had to read it twice 🤣. The Sata CC setup has surprised me, I thought it was just a marketing exercise, but it's rather good to be honest, I've got a video to do so that will go into more detail as all is not what it seems, Sata's poetic licence again I think 😉, cheers mate 👍