The Turkish guns exports support a tyrannic regime, which invades neighbor countries, bombs children in Syria, has committed and is still committing genocides and other war crimes... So there's no comparison. Please, do not support war criminals. Thank you!

I have 3 of the echelons and about 12 caniks and this video is fake news the rivals out shoot the echelon easy it's not even close #1 the less flip is wrong ,got to put a light on that canik to compare truthfully the canik with win if you do you talk about the treaded barrel on the echelon if you want it but you forgot to mention that will cost you more than the canik ,there goes that comparison on price and the truth is you can buy the rival for about 550.00 now because they have been around for a while and there are more of them on the market the week I got my frist echelon after it was sighted in and a break in period me my wife and a couple of friends all shot them back to back for an hour or so and after about 250 rounds though it one it was obvious that everyone was shooting the canik better not just a little tiny bit but by a decent amount better since then I have gotten the theaded echelon and have shot it up against a few of my rivals with the same results the canik rivals and the walther PDP PRO are the best shooting guns under 1000$ in my experience and opinion but hey we all have them (opinions) so go shoot them for yourself before you buy them and make the choice that right fir you!!

⁠where are you finding the rival s for $550?

I like what you said. My 1st Canik TP9SFx was ta tack driver, then the Rival even better with the better trigger. Now I want the Rival-S, or wait until April for the TTI Combat. @@mickeyesslinger1977

My mete sf 4000 rounds. Love it

I'm at 19,000 rds, (Combat) with all original parts and zero malfunctions... what's the additional "maintenance and such"?

@@gjk50002 he watched an honest outlaw video...

Same thing I said. How could he not mention that?!

I shot my boys it's nice definitely want one. But my canik is🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

A mounted light does make a difference on muzzle rise

rival is my favorite gun and I want the S version . I don’t have the echelon yet but I want one.

The caniks and Walthers are snappier than most pistols. It has to do with the bore axis and how they're overall designed. They have good triggers but they're not the best pistols for overall speed. If echelon had a trigger like the canik it would absolutely destroy it on the range. The canik only has 2 things going for it which are the price and trigger. Everything else about it isn't very impressive and it's optic cut is the worst in the business since it's designed for micro optics.

@@Shenmue06 Absolutely, people don't like to talk about that lol, The Grip isn't as comfortable as Most, hell even a Glock is more comfortable, and they got really high bore Axis At that point what is the point of a striker fired gun? Just give me a Hammer fired one For pure speed and comfort I would defenitely pick something Like CZ75, IWI Jericho or Bersa TPR 9 over a Canik or Walther Also don't forget the fact that Caniks have gotten more expensive than Most Pistols, their price Is over Glock now Lmao And they also Jam sometimes unlike all the other Pistols at that price Range In my opinion it's a Great Pistol, I really love the look of Full Size Mete Series especially, the SFX and SFT but it's an overrated Pistol overall

@@pharaongaming8617 Dude half of the things you said aren't even true. Caniks are still cheaper than Glocks and they're more comfortable in the hands compared to the glock. The Glock has a horrible grip angle and hump on the grip. The newest canik mete sf with a magwell is only $400 new.. Double action pistols died a horrible death the moment the first glock hit the market. Go ahead and think what you want though lol.

The m&p has the amazing apex trigger kit option so it's still one of the best. The echelon needs a compact version and aftermarket trigger support. Hopefully we get a compact echelon 10mm!

Damn right bro. Smitty gang strong. I have a few m&p’s. All with apex triggers. Make Glock and Walter fans blush how good the M&P is with it. Also it’s been proven to work well. Many police departments run with smittys.

What's that phrase that Eric over at IV8888 is always using? Ummm... case candy?

Echelon is still a better shooter. I don't need any extra cleaning brushes or a cute little gun tool.

Facts!

If the trinkets are an important part of your purchase decision then go for the Canik

The trigger on the Canik alone makes it a galaxy away from the echelon

You won’t be disappointed with the sfx rival. Setup with a holosun 507c red dot and holosun pid light You can’t go wrong take my word for it.

The Turkish guns exports support a tyrannic regime, which invades neighbor countries, bombs children in Syria, has committed and is still committing genocides and other war crimes... So there's no comparison. Please, do not support war criminals. Thank you!

​@@nothere2a96supporting the Turkish aggression by buying their exported guns can go wrong. The money of these exports are partially used in commiting crimes against neighbour countries of turkey. Please do not support this 🙏

You can order a small grip, and use the smaller of 3 interchangeable back straps. The gun comes with the medium grip, but the same 3 back straps. I needed to go the other way, and ordered the larger grip and use the largest back strap. It’s a great concept, very versatile.

And you don’t lose your rear sight when adding an optic

@@user-uz1sf5hq7k plenty who have the ability to do so…those who own P320s buy Wilson combat frames, and other frames all the time…

@@user-uz1sf5hq7k I have two extra grip modules for my P365. And Sig keeps adding new ones for the P320. Wilson Combat even created their own for the P365. Someone must be buying. I myself keep waiting on IWI to make extras for the Masada Slim. Plenty of Glock options even though those are not as easy to change.

There's an option online to get a 10 rd magazine version

You are correct sir

I've always thought that Walther pistols were a bit flippy. Or at least more so than my Vp9 and Vp9sk were. And it seems like something that carried over when Canik based so much of their designs off the old Walther p99. (Which I also owned). Not saying that in any kind of bad way. I'd gladly own and shoot any Walther pistol.

@@user-dq9pq8uv4ehave you fired the new walther PDP with a 5 inch barrel, they are a little over 500; I don’t like Springfield as a company, wont support them. I know some firearm stores that won’t even carry their products lol

@@PhilJLF Hiya Phil. I wish that I could say that I have. I like Walthers, so I'd love to try one out. Sadly the gun range close to me doesn't have them for rent. 😕 Totally OFF topic. but those things look like a pistol whip from them, would be like bashing somebody with a MACE! 😁 They most definitely succeeded in the intimidation factor for this one! It's funny, when I hear Springfield... I think "Overly high priced 1911's and rifles". The XDM, the hammer fired variant, and now some of their micros are about the only products that I have that I'm curious about. That is funny tho. Why are the stores not wanting to carry them?

The Echelon comes with a 17 and a 20 round mag with a base to convert the 17 to 20. Not sure why he didn't mention this in his video. The LEO version comes with 3 mags with one being a 17 that can be converted to 20 with the supplied base. Makes for a great duty weapon.

I have an SFT and it is a shooter!

Wait a minute are you really saying that canik has a better reputation than Springfield as a company LOL do you know how many decades they've been putting out top quality firearms? Waaaaay more consistent than canik. Nobody knows how caniks will hold up over a decade. We know about springfield

​@@diceydie-c maybe question Springfield for letting a new company make a new pistol an equivalent

Yes. I think they do a better job than Springfield.

@@diceydie-c hahaha yeah he's on crack.. Springfield is way ahead of Canik..They are innovative, have more calibers than just 9mm, and make rifles, etc..None of my Springfields have ever jammed, they eat every brand and type of ammo I put thru them..All 3 of my Caniks were ammo picky, they would jam with some types of ammo..That's unacceptable for a gun you're gonna carry or defend your home with..

HS Produkt is great. IMO they are too good to be branded under Springfield Armory and I wish they could do their own thing. Springfield Armory "The First Name in American Firearms" ...made in Croatia. IMO They should just stick what they make in house.

@Funandgames7847 Who is "they"? Canik or Springfield? And which model? Canik... not likely. They're pretty much just 9mm.

Is there any update on which one you picked? I’m on the same boat lol but I don’t like how this guy has one with a light attached and the rival doesn’t. Also the steel frame apparently is having issues right now so I would wait for the TTI canik

He even says that he has a lot of people asking for the comparison. I mean... sometimes... ya just gotta give people what they want.

Duty vs race is almost always a marketing scam that people are complete suckers for. 😂

The Rival îs not ported. The slide haș lightening cuts, Buț the barrel îs not ported. It îs fluted for aesthetics.

Have a Nice Day, LMAO

the rival is a competition style gun. if you want a duty style canik you just the TP9SFX

thats a damn good deal with the optic. those are fun optics for the range. but i dunno about carrying it, kinda bulky and not the most smash resistent

In your opinion wich one has less recoil?

@@GabylannPR, I'd say it's a toss up between the two as far as felt recoil. I imagine that each person's experience may differ depending on their grip. The weight specs are almost identical. The Rival has 1/2" more bbl length. The Echelon is fatter by a hair. I couldn't say definitively.

Thanks for replying 👍 I like both but only can buy one jaja I have the 19x and love the way it shoots but it's time for a new one 😎

Same thing I thought like add the light and then do the review again

The canik actually is a snappy pistol like the pdp. Even without the light the echelon would be less snappy. That's a fact .

Everyone knows that the echelon has a worse trigger. Overall it's a more expensive, better made gun. There's more to a gun than just the trigger.

@@Shenmue06 I own both and my Canik is less snappy than the Echelon. if you're having problems with recoil management there are good trainers who can help you with that.

@@Shenmue06 Better made how?

@@AtillaTheHung1 Omg the canik is definitely snappier. Now I can't take you seriously 🤦.

I haven't been impressed by grip modules by others, as they can get a bit pricey. I wonder how many they actually sell. I bet its not that many. Probably nice for military or LEO agencies tho. They don't care much about prices.

The 47 is a dumb gun. 😂

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Caniks have a bit of hop to them. You can see it in pretty much anytime you see most shooters fire them. You could see it every time I go to the range too, from my Elite SC. You do have a good point tho. Yeah, the extra weight from that light, is gonna affect muzzle rise.

And the Canik weighs more right out of the box. Not that big of an advantage. The comparison is a little off all the way around. One is a competition gun, one is a duty gun. And he left out one big feature on the Echelon. It is a chassis system. It will have different grip modules available allowing it to be more adaptable to the situation.

Yup. They're a bit flippy. Pretty sure that it comes from them being so heavily based off the Walther p99 which was also rather flippy. You could always play around with the tension of different recoil springs to see if that may help curb that some, but if it's a carry gun... I definitely wouldn't recommend tampering with the recoil system. I used to have a HK VP9 and VP9sk, while a friend of mine had the Walther PPQ and subcompact. I also had the P99. We'd often swap, and compare. The Walthers were indeed more flippy. Fantastic guns, but yeah. More at the muzzle.

Came to the comments to say this

Canik improved upon the P99 trigger.

@@SurfaceWarfare007 l had a Canik SFX have a MC9 and a P99c AS the Canik doesn't feel much different than the P99c does but you have 3 options with the P99c with your first trigger pull double action single action with take up or single action with the triggers slack all ready taken up and if trigger is in this position l think the trigger is slightly better than the Canik and the Walther P99 is second strike capable if the round doesn't go off the Canik will require you to manually cycle the slide to reset trigger

@gloriamaletta8667 The trigger in the Rival is better than the trigger in the SFX. The break is about the same, but the reset is shorter. That's why I said that Canik improved upon the trigger of the P99. The trigger in the Rival is a fast trigger.

@@SurfaceWarfare007 you could be right the Rival could have a better trigger than a SFX does or shorter reset they say the same thing that the Walther P99 is good PPQ is better a PDP is better yet don't have a PDP so can't speak for it but l have a PPQ M2 and a GEN2 P99c AS the ergonomics on the PPQ is better l find very very slight differences both have pretty good stock triggers and are very very similar in performance and trigger my Canik MC9 METE has a pretty good stock trigger l don't think it's as good as the Walther P99c or PPQ trigger but it's pretty close its like a micro P99 they claim with every new model the trigger is better than the last model they all have a fair amount of very light take up on first trigger pull with a short reset

@@SurfaceWarfare007 check out a KZfaq short titled SIG P320 MCARBO short stroke trigger this video is only a fully adjustable trigger install they have a spring kit to supposedly lower the trigger pull weight but this gun doesn't have it took out 95 percent of first trigger pull take up breaks like glass at 4 pounds 8 ounces or slightly less reset is longer than your Canik Rival or a Walther PPQ but very good for a striker fired gun l think this P320 MCARBO short stroke trigger is amazing and it installs pretty easy and only 80 dollars it made a huge difference and breaks at 90 degrees not just before the back of the trigger guard breaking at 90 degrees is better for me this trigger took out 95 percent of 1st trigger pull take up put your finger on the trigger your on the wall

Yep you should get the trigger. I have s Rival and that trigger is Fire 🔥

@@barrygoodson4952 Alright Barry you twisted my arm! 😂 😁 Very much appreciate you taking the time to input. I get paid 3 times this week (month! I meant Month!), so I really am thinking that trigger is gonna be on my list 😁

I would buy the trigger.

@@PatriotPaulUSA Thanks for the input Paul 👍 Thinking gonna buy it as a birthday present to myself when I get paid this Friday 😁

Even without the x300 it'd be noticeably less recoil. Caniks are bouncy AF

The echelon trigger is not in same category with Darkside …not even close!

@@AUGUSTUSHEYLIGER-bq7zz I agree 100% I handled both today and I also shot a Canik at a local range. The trigger on the Canik is the best striker fired trigger I've ever felt. I think it's better than the Dynamic performance trigger in the PDP Pro SD. If not, easily as good. But the Canik trigger was far superior to the Echelon.

First person I heard of having a lemon

@@barrygoodson4952 I got rid of it fast, Worst firearm I ever owned.

​@@barrygoodson4952Lots of the MC9s are having issues. Haven't seen a lot of issues in the full size models.

I got the SFT but found out about the SF later. Biggest mistake. I think the METE /SF is the Canik sweet spot.