sorry if this video is all over the place. i originally intended it to be like a short 1 minute video to show off "haha spy can make the sniper zoom in! lol!" and end it there, but at the last minute i decided to dig a bit deeper and found other stuff (that the spy can do). this then necessitated i do the complicated explanation of how everything works and here we are. frankly i'm not sure if it's very interesting, but finishing what i started is probably better than just giving up and trashing it. some nerd shit before people point out in the comments: technically the server converts all the netvars it wants to update you on - into binary, to then send to you, so your computer would actually see a bunch of 0s and 1s then have to decode that to accessible information. the spy is technically networked as the spy to both friends and enemies, but with an extra attribute to specify his disguised class, which is why & how cheats can just ignore that and still show a player is a spy deceiving them. so the spy is actually like two distinct models at once. when the spy player model is prompted to perform a certain animation, it also gets passed to the disguise model. the above i felt was way too nitpicky, besides the point of the video and basically impossible to simplistically explain so i didn't include it. for the stuff about the player models, i also didn't want to have to explain the entire system of how tf2 animates models in general with the activities since that's just such a massive massive topic, so this is why i compromised.

Brings me to wonder how difficult the tf2 randomizer was to develop.

5:21 Imagine seeing a friendly soldier with a cowmangler go behind your team to aggressively a-pose with the charging sounds before firing an enemy projectile

this makes me wish we could do more stuff as spy. actually fake reload animations, taunt, scope in with the sniper rifle, etc.

The Spy class is actually a tower of spaghetti disguised as a frenchman.

4:34 imagine a scout running up to you with a crit-a-cola but instead of drinking it he just starts throwing them at you.

It would be cool if a "fake out" key bind existed for Spy to make use of these various animations while disguised.

I have been wanting to act out my disguise completely for AGES. The fact that it is technically possible makes me very excited

-Have only 5 out of 6 bullets on your revolver -Disguise as an Engineer with a Widowmaker -Reload -Reality as we know it ceases to exist

Heavy vibrating his gun when not revved up scares me

3:52 Heavy fears no man, but whatever you did left him trembling and panicked.

If a server plugin was made that could map animation plays to keys such as primary fire or secondary fire/scope, it would actually make Spy a little more viable. They could actually have a chance to survive aggressive spy checkers (which at this point in TF2 is everyone, since there really is no loss to shooting every teammate you see for the first time)

Imagine a future where the Snipers on the 2Fort battlements are actually enemy spies.

2:24 oh that's amazing. So spy is basically deceiving the client computer of the enemy by tricking them into thinking they're whatever their disguised as. This is getting meta...

Just imagine walking up to a scoped RED sniper, hiding their dot against a wall. You look at the dot, and it's blue How amazing would that be

Spy's disguise kit can now be somewhat convincing now i think

Seeing that red sniper produce the wrong color dot when scoped in was actually an incredible tell. It would have been super cool if Valve had implemented more ability for the spy to fake behaviors, with similar tells for perceptive players to notice.

The soldier violently convulsing while A posing when charging the cow mangler is incredible

would be cool if there were any commands that would display animations while you are disguised

disguise as sniper while being able to scope in sound awesome :o

A Spy with the wrong weapon is both the funniest and scariest thing you could see in TF2

is it just me or does the spy-disguised-as-heavy look weirdly creeped/freaked out in this video

In Fatmagic's most recent video, a Spy disguised as a Scout fired a scattergun shot before undisguising and firing his revolver. I was wondering what happened. Was it accidental on his part?

ok, now spy needs a revolver that can aim down sights so you can do the sniper scope animation while disguised

I can only imagine how hilarious it would be to run up to an enemy and hit them while being disguised.

It's actually so fascinating how the Source Engine deals with these things. It's bittersweet to reflect from how much Valve neglects TF2. Spy needs more options like a scoped weapon

Idea: Prop Gun Level X Revolver + Primary and alternate fire allow you to fully fake the animations of your disguise’s current weapon (including fake bullets and projectiles). + 10% move speed increase on wearer + 20% damage reduction while disguised + Firing does not break disguise - This weapon deals no damage • The weapon can be tapped or held to accommodate the weapon your disguise is currently holding.

The buff spy needed back when not everyone and their grandma literally shot anyone at any point randomly.

3:53 My sleep paralysis demon

Your graphics are always so nice and visually explain everything very well. This fact makes me surprised this wasn't ever added as a feature to trick enemy players as the mind games spy mains could do. Of course it would have probably taken a ton of work to add but I do hope if they ever made another TF they do try to add this.

6:10 I don't agree, the spy is definitely using that shield shounic

For anyone who isn't aware, the sniper rifle and flareguns don't have "reload" animations; they just have a pretty long firing animation that plays for quite some time after it has fired. So disguising as a sniper and reloading your revolver won't play an animation of your disguise reloading his rifle.

Now I want to see a revolver for Spy that spins up like a minigun, and it causes the Heavy disguise to spin up, too.

Yo, just realized that the dot at around 3:15 is still blue, that’s actually sweet

"The Spy is a perfectly balanced class with no exploits whatsoever" -Gabe "Mr Valve" Newell

Honestly actually learning that everything in TF2 is processed as text, sent to your computer *as text* and almost instantly is constructed into a visual state is an astounding showcase of the power of technology.

This actually works well for the item idea i had for spy, a new gun idea that looks like a nerf gun with a light on the back, it would do very weak damage, like 50% less, but if used while disguised, doesnt shoot any bullets but doesnt remove disguise, meaning it allows you to fake fire and reload on command, and if you middle click, it acts as the disguises right click, lighting up the guns light to say your doing that action, i feel its an interesting way to spice up spy game play

4:10 the heavy is bieng held at gunpoint to do this stuff lol

4:00 i like how heavy just stares at the camera

6:52 the spy maniacally t-posing in the back has to be the best part of the video

so what you're saying is the spy could theoretically mimic animations in disguise but as it stands can't? Imagine if they gave the enforcer a right click fake fire action like that...!

This would be really cool as an actual feature. Have a button that allows the Spy to mimic a class-specific action - on Heavy you'd rev your minigun, as Engie you'd carry a toolbox, Sniper would scope in, and so on. It'd help make disguises a bit more viable.

The minigun shaking is because the rev up is a separate animation from the firing one the heavy firing animation is just two bones at the shoulder moving back and forth to create the illusion of recoil ontop of any other animation you love to see this small dev stuff beeing broken down

i love how the soldier charging up the mangler just T-poses and vibrates ominously

I think it'd be really neat if Spy had extra actions to help him disguise better. Things like Sniper scoping, building hauling, stuff like that.

Randomizer servers are gonna get awesome!

So the next time you see a scout aggressively swinging his drink, you know that he is a spy.

I love the editing, the visuals are so cool to look at.

It makes me think, what if we had a Revolver that was dedicated to mimicking actions, so it would not actually shoot but mimic left click and you could not cloak while using it because right click would mimic right click actions like scoping in. It would have longer holstering time to avoid quick backstabs after mimicking.

3:50 I think this is because Heavy has two animations for using the minigun; the spinning up animation, and the recoil animation, which is just layered on top of the spinning up animation to make it look like Heavy is shooting. Here, Spy's disguise is unable to perform the spinning up animation, causing only the recoil animation to play.

amazing demonstration of the spy using the rescue ranger's right click lmao

your editing has really gotten better!

I could definitely tell that shounic forgot to act human for a minute, his voice program is all off

This seems like It'd be a good disguise kit buff. Or maybe a alt for it. Letting you use all the animations.

The first half explaining the server information finally made me understand why connection issues result in people walking in place, rather than just freezing. The players are in the state of walking, but because of the connection issue my computer doesn't get any new information about their location or if they've stopped walking, so it just keeps playing the walking animation.

3:42 wow this pose looks iconic

7 Year old me playing with the toy bow from the dollar store: 4:47

Man starts a new sentence with every new word, makes me wonder if he ever passes the "im not a robot" test

Amazing video as always! I got excited there thinking that I could scope in with the sniper disguise in casual.

Would be cool if they made a 5th item slot of an item that helps give him better acting to play with. A bag-o-tricks with animations to play with for certain classes, and also for some universal ones. For example, reload animations would be easier to do on demand(and even select the reload length depending on some weapons) without needing your revolver to have been shot just first.

So you are saying that the disguise breaking is coded into each spy weapon? My Dolly sense is tingling...

loving this 15.ai shounic voice, sounds just like the real thing!

The fact that he spends so much effort just to tell us how stuff works, bugs, strats which we probably wouldn't think about it makes him a chad and he deserves tons of respect for that

i love these kind of educational videos! please make more i subscribed

Imagine how cool this would be as a concept, obviously downgraded to some compacity. There could be a unique disguise kit that makes cloaking has a 50% additional drain, but if you're disguised as a Heavy or Sniper, Spy can M2 while disguised as those classes to mimic the actions they would do, which would add a whole new way to trick your enemies and going in for a kill on them.

why does he sound AI generated in this video

I think it's cool how a disguised spy with the huntsman who's allowed to fire looks super convincing- if not for the team-accurate arrow trail.

This makes a lot of sense, thinking about the whole Hot Rod flippy thing with the sapper

0:15 but how do you scope in without cloaking

Imagine if Spy can mimic melee swing animations Scoping as sniper Prefire with heavy's minigun This sounds great on paper but overpowered in execution Im thinking now if the devs tried experimenting with it and they never complete this mimic "feature" And they forgotten to disable the reload animation(which can be possible)

The blu dot on red sniper's scope got me good

This is really cool info for randomizers actually

shounic is slowly turning into an AI reading voice, why did you speak in such a weird way in this video?

can i have a burger

Fun video! Thanks for uploading!

It's really great that I get know about this just now when I already quitted playing the game.

I really like your stuff I'm guessing you work really hard on research thank you for me not bored

It’s amazing how fast the client and server process the information

this is amazing not even gonna lie idk why i enjoyed this so much

This is VERY VERY useful information for randomizer servers.

love how your videos make me think deeper and explain things I would never even think about. Im not sure if you have addressed it or not but I was wondering what is the longest melee weapon? And what is the fastest a character can run? For longest weapon my guess would be either the whip or the skullcutter. The whip because it can hit behind and in front of the soldier. For fastest a baby face blaster scout, drinking crit a cola or a soldier with 1hp, escape plan equipped after blowing a conch would have to be in the top 2. At their top speed would being hit by a soldiers whip make them run even faster? Just a few questions I had and you are the only one I know who would know or could find out. Thanks for doing what you do and sharing it with us:)

spy is keeping this channel alive

I've been waaiting for a video on this for so long. I want spy to be able to mimic attacking ingame.

Great editing :]

somehow that image of a level 1 just sitting there with a spy holding the rescue ranger and aggressively A-posing in the background is funny to me

Heavy staring at me while jiggling his gun gives me funny feelings.

3:51 The poor man is freezing with nothing but a t-shirt in the middle of winter

Spy Scout throws his Bonk in disgust

Fascinating!

god im learning more about game codes here than in my life

3:52 he looks so nervous 🥺

I keep thinking about all of those things happens hundreds if not thousand times a second every second constantly, technology is amazing

Ok, going to listen to "spy sings like a boss" after this vid

The spy standing menacingly behind the sentry gun make me feel an emotion that i cannot describe

In team fortress 2 classic , there is a custom weapons server, and in this server, there is a weapon that allows spy to fire his gun while disguised. It makes the player model fire too.

My man's out here becoming his very own text to speech xD

When I played randomiser, I noticed how you could do certain things with disguises. If you had a medigun, you could disguise as a friendly or enemy medic and heal without breaking it. If I recall, you could even fire the loose cannon without breaking the disguise, but I can’t say for certain.

I love that the heavy's attack animation and revving animation are separate

I've been dreaming about an alternate watch or disguise kit that lets you perform certain actions while disguised. Amazing to see this would actually work ingame, to some degree.

I don't really get it, if I press rmb while having a dead ringer so I don't cloak, will I play the animation my disguise would normally do if they would've pressed rmb?