I have to say, the rivets make sense to me in this instance since when my Grandpa was in a Japanese POW/Labour Camp in WW2, his main job was riveting warships and carriers. Further, the entire existence of Rosie the riveter.

My Grandfather served on the USS Oriskany during the Korean War. He said that they were always competing against the Midway and hated them; they saw Midway as a bunch of "stuck up pricks" because they had a bigger ship. I never even knew this CV was inspired by her, awesome to know!

A theory why she may have had a fusion reactor is that she served in the beginning of the resource wars, till say the mid 2030's and then she was retired into a museum ship. This is where she hosts the P-80's and P-51, since they could have been part of some kind of 150 years of flight celebration. A interesting idea also for the ship might be that it was parked there or just off the coast to use its desalinization plant to provide drinking water to DC before the bombs fell. We know america was struggling under rationing just before the bombs fell, perhaps she was one of the few sources of clean water after america had begun to irradiate its own water table? Reguardless the design is such a departure from 4 and 76 its hard even to imagine them both in the same universe. She does however line up pretty well with the dated oil tanker from fallout II, so that may have been part of the reason for her choice.

A logical explanation regarding the aircraft is economy. The U.S wasn't doing well so it wouldn't be surprising that outdated equipment is used at home or coastal bases as it's cheaper. Wouldn't need to be able to fight, just seem like it. In regard to the carrier air group, if the carrier was indeed active, once the missiles and bombers started appearing the crew would start to scramble interceptors. So possibly why we don't see more aircraft or modern crafts is that they were launched to intercept the nukes. So when E.M.P went off air groups nation wide either crashed or ditched in the water.

In game it's explained that the ship is in constant need of maintenance and that lower deck residents suffer from both mirelurk break-ins and a disease called "red lung" that's caused by inhalation of rust.

Rivets can also turn into projectiles when struck by an explosion. As for your theory on the ship being purely welded, I would have to disagree. Ships during WW II here in the states utilized a combination of rivets and welding, as welding wasn’t fully trusted at the time. I work onboard a WW II warship that’s now a museum so I see evidence of this every day. And excellent job when talking about museum ship maintenance. What the industry has learned is that you want the ship to remain afloat so you can access the hull for maintenance, as evidenced with the current attempt to restore the USS Texas BB-35 (she was stuck in the mud so her hull is in horrible shape, right now she’s in dry dock). Compare that to floating vessels, their hulls are in much better shape. I spoke to someone who works on the USS Salem CA-139 who told me that the ship had gone several years without any hull maintenance and she’s in excellent condition. Similar story for my ship USS Wisconsin BB-64, only we have hull maintenance done on her every year or so. So long as divers have access underneath, we don’t need a dry docking ever. As for the lack of weapons, if we are going with the museum ship theory, when a ship is decommissioned, anything that is classified and anything that is still useful is removed. Frustrating from a museum standpoint as you then have to spend time, money and effort to somehow get the ship at the very least looking like how she was but national security takes precedence In terms of the city layout, I’m surprised that the citizens didn’t utilize the ship’s pre-existing desalination plant to provide them with water. Same for sick bay, armories, brig, master-at-arms offices, etc. Side notes. There was a naval version of the P-51 Mustang but it was only a prototype and never entered service. Also, the USS Oriskany is CV-34. CV-7 was USS Wasp

In the previous video about the Shooting Star, I made a theory of why such outdated tech was in the DC area. USS Oriskany and the squadron of shooting stars could’ve been docked in DC as a celebration of the tricentennial. It could’ve been apart of a display to show off American Naval heritage. Akin to a naval version of the Freedom Train which still hosted bicentennial-related celebrations even after July of 1976.

My personal idea was that Rivets was a training carrier with the Shooting Stars as training jets for Navy Pilots to practice carrier operations.

Possible that the mustang was only there after it became a museum ship, let the museum show off a bit more than just what the ship did in its own time

All I can say is this. Rivet City was named such AFTER the bombs dropped, since she wasn't a city until then. It makes perfect sense that she was called Rivet City since the groups of people that moved in to make her a city would have probably not had the equipment to weld, but would have had a lot of scrap metal. They would have taken anything they could get to patch her and get her stable enough to live in. Any weapons or equipment for her movement (props and rudder) would have probably been removed, by the Brotherhood or by scrappers looking for more metal to keep her in one piece.

Rivetting was a much less skillful job than plate welding; still is.

I got to visit the USS Hornet CV-12 when I was a kid. Beautiful warship. She was even used as the recovery ship for the Apollo 11 moon mission.

12:12 uh welder here, you made welding look easier than it is with that description, and then ran away with that. If my Italian welding instructor heard that conclusion when comparing the two processes. He would blow up then start throwing pizza ninja stars and welding textbooks. Yes you can do full penetration, complete welds that’s what you call when you weld the whole thing all the way. But you also have about 16 weld types with only about six representing something continuous. There’s also the question of process. If you’re doing stick, you can lay down a lot, but it takes a lot of skill for it to be ship hull good, same situation with MIG. If you’re running powerful enough TIG, (the process I really like doing,) it takes a good amount of skill, but that thing will be watertight, as well as vacuum tight with a competent tig welder. If you’re working with sheet metal you can do the welding equivalent to sheet metal rivets, which is spotwelding or resistance welding. (I’m a relatively new welder and can’t really weld anything smaller than 12 gauge with the gentle side of TIG.) Also, you assume a lot of prep work out of the equation with welding, if you want the same tensile and compressive or whatever strength as the metal you’re welding together you want a full penetration welds and you get that by grinding in an angle on one or both sides of the weld pointpoints, depending on the skill of the welder, and how wide they need it. You don’t need the angle all the way, but you need it to go at least the distance for the natural penetration of the process. If you’re doing 1/8 inch steel with TIG, you can get full penetration just by welding both sides. Anything above an inch has serious time for grinding, fitting and alignment. I understand you can look at the concept of how it works and say to yourself “pretty simple concept how hard could it be?” I did that learned that it is hard and complicated and learned riveting in the process of grabbing myself a certificate because I found welding fun/relaxing for me. Riveting is an easy skill to learn welding isn’t. Also, in a post apocalyptic city, you’re probably going to find more people who are willing to measure out and rivet stuff then people who know how to weld. Hell the US is actually starting to have a welder shortage despite the increase in automated welding, (mainly because the robots need a welder to oversee them, “learn to do it yourself so you can be some robot’s boss telling them how to do it.”) I could see the ship being called rivet city, because despite the original hull being welded the crazy amount of repairs to keep it afloat and modifications to make it a post apocalyptic city were done with rivets. Actually, hell some standard military naval patches are riveted from the inside sometimes not the medieval type of rivets you described but the ones that have that rod and cap you pull in with a rivet gun to expand the sleeve it’s inside after you push it through a hole that’s bigger than it. I also have to question if you’ve touched a tape measure, if you think riveting, regular intervals is an issue as far as work speed. Full penetration, welds take a lot of time because you need that heat to go all the way through or to do multiple passes. Here I can give you essentially what a riveting process could look like done by a single person, (if there is the use of an anvil, yes, and there is sheet metal anvil’s,) If you have a tape measure or other flexible, measuring instrument, two pieces of plywood, a power screwdriver, and a couple of screws. Measure the width of the two pieces you want to connect together at a regular interval, say, for example you’ve got 36 inches of seam and you want to put one rivet, or in this case, the analog of a screw in every 3 inches. Divide 36 by 3 you get 12 screws total, so that’s figuring out material usage, easy that’s going to be done by the supervisor of or engineer in construction. As far as fitting/aligning the overlap measurements on either end to get the overlap you want will make it straight. Once you have the same overlap on both sides in this example case with the one every 3 inches mark 3 inches from the edge of both sides along the seam and put in one screw on either side where you marked. Off of those two (already keeping the boards aligned,) fastenings on the ends, you can measure out 3 inch intervals by marking every time you’ve added 3 inches of distance between your last mark’s measurement from your reference point and the new measurement number, if you’re competent with the tape measure, it would’ve been a easy 10 marks between the two already placed screws. Then you just fasten. Where are you marked and you’ve got regular intervals of fasteners. If you want to have the extra steps of drilling a hole before riveting grab a rivet gun and a drill and drill a hole, slightly larger than the Collett rivet where you marked insert the rivet with the gun and squeeze the trigger a few times till it is firmly in place.

I always assumed the crane supports were pieces welded to the deck post war, since obviously they didn't need to have consideration for flight capability after the bombs dropped.

Museum ships are changed beyond reactivation. I’ve seen the upgraded Yorktown II in person and I love that ship because her predecessor carried a family member into battle but the way she’s moored, that ship is not going into battle, or anywhere, ever.

1. Riveting takes much less skilled workmanship than welding and the overall higher mean build tolerance of a riveted piece, Furthermore after a cursory glance at Wikipedia, pneumatically driven rivet guns have existed since the second world war meaning that you only require one individual to perform the work. 2a. working off of the assumption that rivet city was docked with a full naval crew at the time of the bombs dropping, with them being in port, one could assume they had all of the equipment necessary to perform at least the bare minimum of ship maintenance alongside a decent amount of skilled seamen to perform said maintenance and pass this knowledge down through the generations, it's not like you would let your home fall apart. 2b. working off a more valid assumption that rivet city in 2077 is operating somewhere in between mothball and museum ship status, then that would mean there would be an even heavier focus on maintenance and keeping the ship seaworthy in case it was needed, in which case the previous point still stands. 3. as per my previous points you can come to two conclusions as to why (,in universe,) rivet city has no armament, firstly that it was necessary as she wasn't on frontline duty and that the material could be put to good use elsewhere. And secondly, that in a mothball state, the weapons would have been removed in order to free up space and displacement for either newer and more modern weapons, or what is more likely that the shielding required for the fusion reactor, or just the reactor itself required the removal of all non-essential items, i.e. AAA mounts, Radars etc 4. The use of an older vessel during wartime isn't exactly out of the question, the US Navy holds more ships in mothball than the active fleet most 1st rate navies around the world, furthermore if we are making the assumption that rivet city is in active service, then most likely it would be used as a glorified transport ship with all of the extra weight of armament and sensors to make the vessel as fast as possible and get the supplies to where they need to be. In conclusion, I believe it's clear to see that Rivet city was a museum ship in the mothball fleet on display at Washington DC having featured some new upgrades such as an angled flight deck and presumably later, a fusion reactor as a powerplant. Some of the hallmarks of it being a museum ship include the older Shooting stars in a similar mothball status to Rivet city but also the P-51D mustang on display, suspended from the ceiling. Some of the arguments you believe to be smoking guns can be fairly easily explained with a more grounded perspective.

I guess Top Gun got that wrong when Viper claimed he and Maverick's old man flew Phantoms off the Oriskany. You'd think given the cooperation of the Department of the Navy in that film, they'd have gotten that bit of trivia correct.

The F3H Demon would be a lot cooler for a plane on the carrier. To me it fits the aesthetic a lot more than the P-80

Man you deserve way more views an subs, the amount of work and detail you put into each video is amazing!

Wait I got to the point where you were talking about riveting...you do know what a rivet gun is, right? How a single person can rivet?

If rivet city were to be brought back I think it should be retconned into a Wasp style marine amphibious assault ship with a compliment of prewar vertibirds, the science lab can draw water from the well deck where maybe the citizens also maintain a fish hatchery or launch boats from to fish

Dude man....the weird smoky room is a fart joke. It's full of cans of beans. The smoke is gas all right.

So I think there's a major misunderstanding with the technology and "revival" of 100 year old technologies in Fallout. It's not that they're reactivating 100 year old planes and ships, rather that the key technologies and culture movements that brought people out of the 50's never existed (for example, transistors), so the 50's just... never ended.

Once again, you outdone yourself🇺🇸♥️ I wish that they could’ve at least came up with a more practical aircraft carrier or made the ship more like a museum that has been underwater rather than a natural city. but beggars can’t be choosers with outdated graphics fixed I guess😂 anyways, thank you🙏🏼

Rivet City: Why’re you taking my home? *The FEDS: Because, Ligma. River City: Ligma? *The Enclave: Ligma balls. Three Dog: All of Rivet cities residents have mysteriously disappeared. And all we have left is dust and echos.

One solution to the rust problem is to use a cathodic protection. So using a sacrificial galvanic anode or impressed current ICCP protection. These are actually very actively in use with ships and even leisure boats, and one of the things that keep floating museum ships from rusting,

Yes!! I've been looking forward to this one dude and it was great👌 I think more and more I've been realising why fallout 3s style of fallout stood out so much to me and is my favourite. I've just realised that fo3s art style was using 1950s inspired civilian stuff, 1950s inspired Sci fi tech, but the buildings, military and industrial stuff is actually 1940s ww2 inspired stuff. Or even just straight up 1940s stuff.

I wonder what life in the FO universe in the 1970s/80s would have been like.

For me, the best Fallout fighter would be an atompunked F-8 or F-4, because there's just something a bit, I guess, bulbous and round about them, that really lends itself to the Fallout aestethic. Also, about riveting needing two people, aircraft rivets are done from one side, although that probably isn't relevant with a ship.

I spent a night on the USS Hornet back when I was a Boy Scout, that ship she be haunted

Couple of things, Changing the power plant in an aircraft carrier is usually alot easier than on something like a cruiser or battleship, the flight deck can be cut and removed to gain access. The propellers being missing could be due to it being buried in mud, or they could have been cut off to minimise water ingress not long after the great war, infact New Jersey was considering the same thing, they are great big lumps of brass that are hanging there, and cause differential metal corrosion. The hull being in its condition can have a few reasons, 1 it appears to be in fresh water, that greatly extends its life. You can do underwater maintenance and painting if need be, its not ideal, i mean they dry dock for a reason, but if the bombs dropped and you want to keep your floating fortress, well floating, youd do whatever you could. It being riveted sort of makes sense. Welding was not overly trusted around that era. Sure it takes more effort, can cause projectiles when hit by shells. It was as i stated more trusted by the navy and airforce. Allows for more localised damage if shelled etc. The localised damage in the flight deck, i always assumed it was man made. Potentially using the crane, cutting torches etc to rip up part of the flight deck for more defence. Afterall its real easy to snipe someone on that flight deck from afar especially once she settled in the mud. So having an armourer wall would make sense. The lack of defence bothers me. But the brotherhood of steel likely stole what was left to rearm. Have a look at the USS New Jersey drydocking series currently ongoing. It will give you some good background on some of your concerns. Texas will show you how bad things can be, yet still be recovered. Remember post war, Rivet City ceases being just a ship, and becomes a huge asset where anyone onboard would spare little expense or manpower to keep her afloat. The security it provides is immense. Its state today is likely due to less and less skilled people knowing how to keep her in museum state or war ready state. The missing aircraft id also chalk up to the brotherhood taking for parts, or them being used and lost/stolen both during the great war and post bombs falling.

Welp when it comes to missing detail of rivet city well you can try to pass on thous ideas to Tale of Two wasteland mod team since they can use tohus ideas to make rivet city more immersive and some what make more sense. Just tought for brain to marinade on. Still nice video and well Fallout 3 was made in back when days aka 2008 so yeagh.

Again I kinda repeat myself from the shooting star video but maybe it was like a callback of nostalgia back too “Americas golden age” or it’s just the same design on the outside but has modern systems on the inside

Like the video but do want to say a few “achtuallys” when it comes to welding vs riveting. Yes riveting was a manual process but we did have a gun that made the process much easier, so the two person team would still be used but not as a person with hammer and one with rivets. Also saying that welding is a less skilled trade would get your ass kicked. Welding itself is skill that would affect the product if done poorly (look at ww2 tanks like early T34s for an example). I would agree that having welders would require less overall skilled labor but that is in quantity of workers not in the skill itself. For welding two sheet together at max 2 workers, the welder and the helper (who is usually an unlicensed welder apprentice or an unskilled worker who would grind and prepare the material for the welder).

Welding still uses a team. You have fitters preparing the joints and then the welder follows behind....and a good fitter makes all the difference, as a consistent gap between the panels, and a proper bevel ground along the edge of each plate.

Here’s the thing: Rivets can be installed pneumatically using a Riveter. It’s just an angry automatic hammer. Plus, Rivet City sounds cooler than Weld City.

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40 knots is a pretty high estimate for something as large as a capital ship. The fastest capital ships ever built were the US Navy's fast battleships (Iowa class ships ran around 33 knots) and the nuclear powered aircraft carriers that have their speeds declassified (Enterprise class) at 33.6 knots. Destroyers and some light cruisers might make 40 knots. Maybe. The carriers with classified speeds go over 30 for sure but aren't significantly faster than 33 knots as far as I can tell There was a Dutch fast battleship with non-nuclear engines designed for 35 knot top speed, but it wasn't built and it was also on the small side for a battleship.

So a few things as a weirdo aviation nerd. There's nothing indicating that this is the Oriskany, though she does resemble the overall layout of such (as most fleet carriers post 1950 did) It's also possible that if she IS named Oriskany, she could very well have been another carrier built well after and given the same namesake as the original carrier. This has happened several times (see the USS Enterprise). What it all comes down to though is the concept of Rivet city fell victim to Bethesda's folley of having GREAT ideas but terrible executions in regards to lore.

Watching this and thinking what could have been makes me wish they'd do a Fallout game based in Pearl Harbor. The airfields an military bases being larger cities and each of the docked ships getting the Rivet City treatment and being independent micro-cities with their own customs and politics. But like, not 200 years later, rather one that takes place right after the great war dies down, and a majority of the people you encounter, most of the people living there, are remnants of the military, tired soldiers trying to pick up the pieces once the fighting's died down and trying to gather and organize the civilians that didn't make it into vaults but somehow managed to keep their heads down until the fighting stopped. So the ships are also in much better and reasonable condition.

I could never figure out how the P-80 a mere 171 years old at the time of the great war would have been used seeing it was obsolete in the begining of the Korean war and was quickly replaced by the F-89

A logical explanation of this is that Bethesda doesn't care as long as it looks neat.

When it comes to the ship being in better condition then it should be, is that with dialog and terminal entries and just how irradiated the wasteland is, it’s believed that Fallout 3‘s timeline would have been less than 200 hundred years old. The game feels like at most it’d be 100 years after the bombs and closer to Fallout 1 and 2’s time line but was changed last minute by Bethesda

I am not sure about the hole drilling and alignment process, but they did make pneumatic riveting guns that hung from chains or ropes from above so that the workers could just use it quickly to punch them in.

It's nuclear reactor was then stolen by the brotherhood to make their giant blimp in fallout 4 to get enough power to fly about. We knew it only had 1 and the people probably didn't want to give away their main/only source of power that also powered the stuff to grow non irridated crops and clean water. So it is likely that the brotherhood invaded Rivet City and either forced everyone out or killed them all. Yay

I would like to se a video of the cargo ships of Fallout 4

I mean if you’re launching vertibirds from her deck rivet city actually isn’t the worst idea as a refurbished ship. As a concept for a city it makes even more sense air craft carriers are already basically floating cities. Also modern rivets aren’t hammered. They’re cut and pressed via an electric or pneumatic gun. Also welding is more difficult than riveting. All you have to do to rivet is line up the hole and pop the rivet. Welding require setting up the proper flame and and filler material and the skill to not burn through the metal. I’m assuming they would have used oxy fuel to weld it due to ship yards being out doors. If they used stick then you’d have to make sure the material is constantly clean to make sure it joins properly and gets full penetration. Also those ammo cans and health crates are from a cut content mission where you’d have to defend rivet city from attackers. Ie why it has the catwalk and it then never moves again. We always talk about the cut content of new Vegas but there was a lot cut from fallout three.

Having an old carrier design being used by the 2070s US Military isn't that odd considering that we find old weapons and equipment still very much in service. The US Army's standard assault rifle the R-91 is vaguely similar to the G3, a 50s german design. The White Legs raid a US Military Armory and run off with Tommy Guns. The Sierra Madre Securtiy are using BARs. Most damning is the weapon This Machine which has the phrase 'Well This Machine kills commies' carved into the side presumably by a US soldier meaning that it, a gun from WW2, was still in service by 2077. My personal headcanon for this is that the lack of resources and war time losses are forcing the military to use older and older equipment. If the war in Alaska went on for a few more years whose to say that US Soldiers wouldn't be charging into battle with Garands and Thompsons. The chinese apparently weren't having a easy time of it since their frontline troops weren't even given combat armor. Just a uniform and a gun. They had no proper tanks instead making using of retrofitted mining rigs. (Granted it is unknown that this is true or not since the Anchorage Simulation is referred to in universe as being bloated propaganda.)

On the topic of maintenance, I would assume that there would be robots maintaining it.

Don't think this could or should be CV-7 Wasp which got sunk in Guadalcanal, a mere 2 years after commissioning.

I think we are seeing a pattern of "if most of the people wouldn't notice and it gives too much work to do, get an real 1940s-50s thing and slap it on place" Lovely video, will we have more ships videos? I wonder what fighters populate the 2077 carrier fleet, i hope it's not the deluxe lmao. It doesn't look adequate for carrier service, despite being small.

i actually jokingly said “so what you want it to be called weld city that’s dumb”😂

21:58 omg same, i always hated trying to find my way around

Why would adding a nuclear reactor make the ship faster? You'd have to install more powerful turbines to be able to utilize that extra power, modify the whole engine/shaft/screw assembly to account for it, and reinforce/modify the entire ship to account for the extra stress. And even then, you're limited by hull shape and weight. The USS Enterprise, built around a similar time to similar design, had the same official speed, and the Nimitz-class, designed differently from the keel up could do 35* knots. Plus, there are logistical issues; how fast can her escorts go? Not to mention the cost; making things that heavy go fast gets into diminishing returns soon.

I would like to say that most lake freighters are made with rivets historically so maybe rivet city was made for the Great Lakes?

Lexington cv-2 is the tribute name of the cv-16. Cv-2 was a converted carrier from a battle ship

Any possibility for going over the designs of Resistance Franchise

Ngl I'd rather seen a refit rebuilt rivet city in f4 than the prydwen

The supports on the flight deck is to the crane so i guess its post war

Actually welding is more expensive, while riveting is cheaper. Reason why people rather use welding is stronger and better. Welding takes along time to learn as a skill, while riveting doesn't.

The name may be dumb, But i still felt i need a tetanus shot after going there the first time. 9:55 that bug has ended many NPCs lives.

0:10 what the hell is the mighty O

Ah so you’ve been to the Lexington I see.

what about a rivet gun?

most american carriers have 2 reactors so it's possible the brotherhood only took one of the two leaving the second to power the city.

Hey, i'm from Corpus Christi. Love the Lex

Excellent work

I understand your logic, but I have to disagree. As a metal worker for more than ten years now and currently in welding school. I have to say welding requires way more skill and is way more complicated than riveting. 12:29

The Russians are fielding a 120-year-old ship.

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Riveting!

You meant fallout lore enterprise

For the same reason i hate go inside Rivet City

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Riveting

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Riveting is much easier and cheaper than welding.

an amazing thing to wake up to

Holy shit man....WAY too much into this. Rivet city sounds catchier then Bolted or Welded city, the end. FFS

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Last I checked, rivets sank the Titanic.