Square cuts: MFT or Rail Square? [video 422][Gifted/Ad**]

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3 жыл бұрын

In this weeks video I take a look at the options available for making a square cut with a #tracksaw, and weight up the pros and cons of using an #MFT vs #RailSquare. Enjoy!
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418 DIY Rail Square • Pocket-money Rail Squa...
Bish Bash Bosch rail square parallel guide - • Video
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@ReclaimDesign 10 ай бұрын

Your explanations are amongst the best out there Peter - clear, concise and no waffle 😂

@derekjones6032 11 ай бұрын

Love your channel and love learning in 10 min. EZ learning for sure. Thank-you

@michaelkaye4998 3 жыл бұрын

Your videos are some of the best! I have no problem understanding your and your points are crystal clear. Thanks so much. I’ll be incorporating many of your workbench ideas.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

@antonoat 2 жыл бұрын

Always enjoy your films Peter, hope you have a fantastic 2022, thank you.

@martin-splintershakes322 3 жыл бұрын

Great video as always Peter. I too am waiting on the mobile bench build as I suspect it will be a well thought out and practical design. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience, I am now a Plunge Saw convert!

@WeGoWalk 3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely efficient, accurate delivery of the information. Excellent delivery! Thank you for all you do!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@mountainlightwoodcraft 3 жыл бұрын

Great job, as always, Peter. I never fail to learn something of value from every one of your videos.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Michael! 👍

@longrangerlarry 3 жыл бұрын

Nice one Peter. A huge and comprehensive amount of information in a bit over 10 mins! Very well done. David

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David! 👍

@gundulf3084 3 жыл бұрын

Peter your videos are absolutely brilliant. I am amazed at how you compress hours of insight into minutes of video, and do so with both clarity and humor. Thanks so much for sharing this channel, it is one of my top go-to sites!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! That’s very kind of you to say, and much appreciated. 🙌👍

@michaeilobley4671 Жыл бұрын

Just purchased the benchdogs rail square using your promo code, saved myself 11 quid, thank you for that. 👍😁

@stevewalker7822 3 жыл бұрын

I always appreciate your comparisons Peter

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve! 👍

@idlersdream826 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent Peter, that covered everything! 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍

@BensWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Good video, and lots of options for every budget.

@garvielloken3929 3 жыл бұрын

My God!!! This video was sooo helpful. PM you are a Gem Mate!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 🙌👍

@allanwilliams679 3 жыл бұрын

Another great video packed with super useful tips and info. You’d be hard pressed to find a more informative ten minutes or so... Thank you Peter. 👍🏻

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alan! 👍

@Bicycleclip 3 жыл бұрын

That was the most helpful video about square cuts with a TS I’ve seen in all my years. Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! 👍👍

@mikeparsonscc 3 жыл бұрын

A wealth of knowledge in this one! Spot on Peter! 👌

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike! 👍👍

@steenfraosterbro3268 3 жыл бұрын

I have all the options, and you, Peter Millard, are to blame for that. I thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

It was a pleasure! 😂👍

@PaulGreenslade 3 жыл бұрын

I can second this fact. I ended up building my own MFT from a 1000mm kitchen base cabinet with all tools and options due to this channel.

@ThekiBoran 2 жыл бұрын

@@PaulGreenslade Yes, Peter is the jerk I blame for me having the very nice Benchdogs fence. By the way, I'm in the US, I ordered a bunch of their stuff and it was delivered very quickly and shipping fees were miniscule. I'm a very satisfied customer of Benchdogs.

@nmclive469 3 жыл бұрын

Great video again Peter, after watching all your tracksaw videos I've just bought my 1st track saw the Excel tracksaw with two 1.5m tracks. Just gonna re watch your videos to get it all setup and dialled in 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Nice one, Nigel - have fun! 👍

@maoliosakitchen8373 7 ай бұрын

Just bought my first festoon plunge saw. Now I know what to do. I can get on. Thanks simple and easy instructions get it now got it. Thanks I usually watch USA SITES found you and have a new great reference

@10MinuteWorkshop 7 ай бұрын

Thank you! Best wishes from London! 👍

@bigmonkey999888 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, always enjoy your videos! Steve

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Steve! 👍

@HyperactiveNeuron 3 жыл бұрын

As usual, great and informative video. Watching you actually convinced me to buy a track saw and I'm loving it. Such a change and with your tips... Just wow! I made a mobile cutting station at a client's place following your advice on calibration and the station, I am making spot on square cuts with ease and even used it to joint rough cut mahogany to use as edging on BB plywood. Oh I'm also making my own MFT system thanks to your videos. Just brilliant Sir. Thank you! I'd happily but you a pint 🍻👏👏👏👏

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! So pleased that the videos are helping! 👍👍🍻🍻

@tedcook8749 3 жыл бұрын

Wow. You’ve included the equivalent of 8 hrs of info from all the the other festool youtube user sites in this one little video. Awesome info and editing Peter!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ted! 👍👍

@Bespokespaces 2 жыл бұрын

I can see that my comment is a year after you published this video about MFT's which I am about to add to my workshop but like all your videos that I'm working through well worth a thank you. You put across so simply what can often take craftsmen/women years of experience to learn. I'm grateful to you and a small group of others who you mention frequently for sharing your knowledge with us. Thanks...

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Terry, I'm really pleased that it was helpful! P

@BernhardGO 3 жыл бұрын

I use the festtool railsquare since 3 weeks and I am very impressed. I didn't know about that kind of accessoir befor your videos about kg. Thanks for that and greetings from Austria

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes the Festool rail square - actually a rebadged TSO - is very nice and can be had at a decent price; the colours match h as well! 😆👍👍

@DavePawson 3 жыл бұрын

Lots of choice, thanks Peter.

@lesterdewey7644 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter very informative

@redlawss 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Peter the Detroit track saw that I bought is very similar to the Makita with the anti-tip lip & therefore similar to the Festool. Therefore this weekend I bought the FS-WA ($215Aud) thinking that I could modify it to fit, I even thought I may consider buying the 800mm Festool track ($155Aud). Well, I picked up the FS-WA as nobody had in stock well it fits in perfectly in my Track with no sanding or cutting off the underside groove.

@jongdesteven 3 жыл бұрын

And got my Square ordered (with your promo code).. thanks a million!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@alexjames1146 3 жыл бұрын

Great music on the fade out.

@kalimbobo 2 жыл бұрын

I happened upon your channel and felt immediately drawn to your disarming style of presentation. You distill so many valuable ideas and concepts that are taken for granted into concise visuals and commentary that I felt compelled to comment. Coming from a relative beginner who's spent countless hours researching equipment, reading forums, reviewing safety tips and working up the courage to buy a table saw. I'm slowly realizing that a tracksaw and MFT may be more appropriate for my needs. Your channel is a remarkable resource.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you, and welcome! If you’re looking into specific themes eg MFT style benches, then take a look at the playlists, where similarly-themed videos are grouped together for easy reference. 👍

@silverfox8801 2 жыл бұрын

Dude. I’ve spent sooooo much money since finding your channel years back! 🤣🤣

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

😂👍👍

@James-dv1df 3 жыл бұрын

Love the video. Been replacing my internal doors with oak ones and the Benchdogs rail square has been awesome. Well worth the money for trimming 14 odd doors

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

They're great squares! Impressed you have 14 level floors though... 🤔😂👍

@James-dv1df Жыл бұрын

This is true 😂 however just seemed to make things easier dropping on the door rather than measuring

@puddytat62 3 жыл бұрын

Certainly looking forward to your portable work table. I do like the Paulk "portable" table because he cleverly put a shelf below the work surface because sometimes when we work we tend to clutter the work surface with tools and thereby making the top un useable . I think Scott Brown in New Zealand built a revised Paulk Style top that was more portable. I think one with the MFT style top would be useful even for DIYers. The issue with these portable ones for non pros is storage.

@conspickerous 3 жыл бұрын

I’m creating my own MFT as I needed it to be bigger than the standard Festool MFT. I’ll be using the Parf Guide System Mk2 to create the holes. This video helped me think what are my options in order to make it as a cross cut station as well. Thanks Peter!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@ThekiBoran 3 жыл бұрын

Are you going to add offset holes?

@huskyneusify 3 жыл бұрын

Damn you're building the suspense ! Really looking forward to the PMMFMB !! (Peter Millard Multi Functional Mobile Bench) 👍😉

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

It’s coming! 😆👍👍

@robgullen 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Perhaps you can have races with Steve Ramsey's BMW - Basic Mobile Workbench?

@dmcguinness100 3 жыл бұрын

Great video Peter, thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks David! 👍👍

@NomadMakes 3 жыл бұрын

Looking forward to the portable bench build video ;-)

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I'm working on it Goran! 👍

@Alastair_Freebird 3 жыл бұрын

Very helpful overview Peter thank you

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alastair! 👍👍

@FritsvanDoorn 3 жыл бұрын

I cant wait to see the next video. Now you are a master of suspence too, if I am right.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Frits! 👍

@tobien4814 2 жыл бұрын

Great overview

@robsummerhayes6999 3 жыл бұрын

Awesome detail. Thanks!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 👍

@NicoSmets 3 жыл бұрын

Nice overview. Thank you.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Nico! 👍

@JamesManCave 3 жыл бұрын

When I grow up one day, I want an mft top on my work bench! They look so bloody handy!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers James - they are very handy! 👍👍

@hanskohl3136 3 жыл бұрын

First time here. Love it 😍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and welcome! 👍

@A_F_Makes 2 жыл бұрын

Helpful video, many thanks

@colingmaccoll 3 жыл бұрын

Great content Peter, I'm eagerly waiting for the bench build video as I've got the saw and rail and the BD rail square but unsure on what the best route is for the table top it's self.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Colin! It’s coming! 👍👍

@paulmaryon9088 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter stay safe

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Cher’s Paul, you too! 👍👍

@michael.schuler 2 жыл бұрын

2022: TSO PG-30/50 works with TSO PGR-16. Both fabulously reliable bits of kit.

@davidhull1610 3 жыл бұрын

I prefer to use the MFT for precise cuts on smaller workpieces in the workshop. For rips I do use a TSO rail square, but I double check it for squareness every time ( coz I have cut a few wonky pieces occasionally). If I'm outside, it's the rail square on a cutting deck, which I find accurate enough for most jobs. There is no way I would take my MFT3 outside the workshop because it's so heavy and unwieldy. I'm making a portable top to mount to a pair of dewalt aluminium sawhorses. I used my festool mft top as a template and with a 20mm guide bush on the router and a 3mm dowel drill cutter from trend, I plunge cut the hole centres and used the UJK 20mm cutter from the parf guide system to cut the holes. One of those old wolfcraft twin column drill guides helped keep everything in line. It seems to be sufficiently accurate from my test cuts. Can't wait to see your version of the mobile bench though!

@macydee 3 жыл бұрын

Coincidentally I'm building a mobile workbench and am about to add an MFT style top so am dead keen to see this upcoming episode you mentioned.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

It’s coming! 👍👍

@kanedNunable 3 жыл бұрын

just bought a track saw so re-watching again. i got one of the ebaue ones btw and seems great value for money for £150.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Ah, in that case you might like next weeks video, just sayin'... 👍

@markcross1695 3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant video. If I had seen this before purchasing my rail square from bench dogs I would still have bought it but would have understood the alternatives better! looking forward to the mobile bench build.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! 👍

@tompanter5839 3 жыл бұрын

Sold. Great review. Thanks

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful, thanks! 👍

@dannymurphy1779 3 жыл бұрын

Who let the dogs out???!!! Lovely bit of kit Peter!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂. And thanks! 👍👌

@robotsnthat 3 жыл бұрын

Looks like you're enjoying being a full time KZfaqr Peter. Great video 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, no regrets whatsoever! 😆👍👍

@RXRSawdustStation 3 жыл бұрын

Regarding the #BenchDogsUK Guide Rail Dogs and B-Collars, once the collars are in use the bottom end of the guide rail dogs (naturally quite slippery to begin with) become shorter corresponding with the height their set at making grabbing to bottom of the rail dogs to tighten them up much more difficult. I have found using rubberized work gloves aid in improving your purchase on the tail of the rail dogs allowing a much better ability to tighten them from under the worktop. *I use the **#ThisIsCarpentry** MFS (Multi-Function Slab)* Thanks for the video. Informative.

@masonbiker01 3 жыл бұрын

Nice overview

@photo78 3 жыл бұрын

They helpful video, thanks.

@normanboyes4983 3 жыл бұрын

Very useful - thank you.😀👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Norman! 👍

@AngieWilliamsDesigns 2 жыл бұрын

I love your videos. And It’s great to be able to come back and refresh my memory. I can’t decide…. do I want the rail square first…. The parallel guide…. Or should I get the MFT table? I’d get them all if money was no issue. But it is. LOL. Decisions decisions. I will note…. I bought the plans for the portable work table. But I haven’t made it yet. So I have no surfaces with the bench dog holes in it right now. I guess I’m off to go watch that video again. Always love coming back to your channel.

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! And yes, it’s a tricky choice, especially with the parallel guides in the mix as well. I am overdue on the ‘parallel guides vs rail square’ video, but I tend to think of the PGs for full sheet narrow rips, the rail square for full sheet cross cuts, and the MFT for everything else. 👍👍

@AngieWilliamsDesigns 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop That’s actually a good way to think about it. That helps.

@markbryan9989 3 жыл бұрын

I am an avid table saw user. Only us tracks to get sheets down to manageable sizes. But this is good info in case I eventually change my approach. It would give me more bench space if I didn't have a table saw. Looking forward to the portable bench build! Thanks Peter!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Mark, cheers! 👍

@EcoMouseChannel 3 жыл бұрын

As a long time Festool Track Saw user, I've never once wanted to buy into their 96mm x 96mm x 20mm hole pattern. I've chosen to use the more common 2"x2" hole pattern with 5/8" hole. This opened up a world of fixtures and jigs that are used outside of just woodworking. But, one trick I picked up along the way was the use of 5/8" dia stainless steel stand-offs and 1" diameter caps as my bench dog solution. Not only did I save hundreds of dollars, I was able to buy quite a few different varieties. I sometimes use square heads on the stand-offs. Or do the 3/4" elevated rails by swapping out the appropriate caps to thread on to my stand-off barrels. As far as my best rail square solution was to go with TSO rail square, and as my second I chose the Woodpecker's multi-angle version. I like using one at each end of the track if I can. I never have to double check my squareness that way. I feel I have a great combo that allows me to accomplish nearly 95% of my Table Saw needs now. I only use the Table Saw now for thin strip cutting.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Horses for courses, I think; for balance, I've never come across a 2" x 2" grid with 5/8th holes, so perhaps not as common as you think?? Good to hear you found something that works for you though. 👍👍

@EcoMouseChannel 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop In metal work and fab tables, there's many brands, such as Strong Hand Tools that sell all the different clamps and accessories that fit those smaller holes. And the tighter grid pattern actually makes more sense when going layout and fixturing. Like in glue-ups and case work, where there are many things that fall into the 4", 2", 1" sizing. Granted, what you could see is a 50mm x 50mm hole spacing with 16mm holes. But 16mm and 5/8" are nearly identical when it comes to nominal hole size. But I do realize that a 50mm grid would actually kind of screw you up in the long run, should you be using imperial measurements. Unless of course your hole spacing was exactly 50.8mm ;-) I should have added that based on my familiarity with the metal work fab tables, and since I do both in my shop. I wanted both my woodworking table (and accessories) to be interchangeable with my metal work fab table. So... I actually CNC'd my own 4x8 "MFT" table out of 1" MDF and epoxy laminated on the top and bottom sheets of Dibond, before having the router table cut my table top. I framed the whole thing in Aluminum Extrusion to take advantage of the rail tracks, and use a sacrificial 1/4" piece of MDF with the same holes cut into that.

@Mikey__R Жыл бұрын

As I'm discovering, space is really my limiting factor. My kitchen is only just slightly larger than an 8'x4' sheet, my shed is considerably smaller. If I'm going to crack on with these built-ins, I'm going to have to figure out a better way to work within these limitations.

@WeGoWalk 3 жыл бұрын

Peter reminds me of Jeremy Wade of River Monsters’ fame - Peter’s voice sounds like he could be Jeremy’s brother. :-)

@MOREENGINEERING 3 жыл бұрын

First of your vids that I have watched. Excellent, loved it. Thankyou ;-) I own a Domino and just bought a TS55 trak saw setup. Love the Domino and the saw but the Trak itself is only the start. Then you need other tools or instruments get get things to square or a particular angle(more money). I think i'm in trouble! The list of things I th8ink I need are almost endless. The biggest square I have is a mere 300mm. But it is not perfectly square(the trouble begins). I have a smaller Engineers square(chinese) that is about 0.05mm out over its 165mm length. I also found out that the edge of the track (outside Alum edge) does not go all the way down to the surface it is sitting on and therefore the blade of my engineers square is only in partial contact with the edge. I applied a bit of Math to determine my real error after cutting a tabletop (I'm making) to sq. off the end was 1.8mm over the 705 width. Not very good. So then I cut the other end setting up independent of the other and came up with the exact same error. So, I end up measuring each length and found they are both the same. So I have a Parallelogram. Width the same, length the same, Diagonals...1635mm and 1632mm. Oh the pain!! Now provided with all this new found info my search field is even larger(thanks a lot) but it will be very interesting. For now, I'm going to get into another of your excellent vids.. Best wishes from Australia!! ;-) PS hopefully you can understand what I have written. The last time I was in London(at a Train station near the Themes) I asked a man at an information counter for directions to a platform and he told me he couldn't understand a word I said. he said "speak the queens English mun!" After WTF, I pointed to his map and he replied "platform 4 that way(pointing)!!

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Great comment, thanks! Ah yes, the perfect parallelogram! Been there! An MFT style top makes a huge difference to getting square, straight cuts. Rail squares too, of course, but then more money, lol! Best wishes from London! 👍👍

@TerryManitoba 3 жыл бұрын

Very informative Very confusing for a super part-time woodworker who has never seen an MTF or rail square system. Lots of parts and things to consider & hurdles to jump over. I'll stick to old school (less precise) methods for the time being and wait for the portable system you going to do. THX

@ChickenDinnerz 3 жыл бұрын

I also came.across these methods as a new woodworker and found it all very confusing and led to a lot of stress of confusion. I found the far easier way of all these things was to just use a table saw. Far easier and quicker and less faff

@TerryManitoba 3 жыл бұрын

@@ChickenDinnerz faff - I had to look that up-:) I agree - kiss is the better method for part-time hobbyists. That's maybe why after 2 years of having heard about the MTF system - I probably intuitively (or luckily) have not bought into the system yet. If you need a few super straight square cuts - it may be better with less faff to drive to buddies place who has spent cash on premium tools!

@animationcreations42 3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if the next time Lidl or Aldi have the track saws in they'll have some accessories as well since they seem to be very popular

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I think they tend to just box-shift, but it would be interesting to see, yes! 👍

@grumpywiseguy5992 3 жыл бұрын

Great Video as usual Peter. I have built two DYI MFT table tops, one without the UJK PARF guide and one with. I would highly recommend the UJK system. Especially if one is new to the woodworking game. Getting perfectly vertical holes with a forstner bit at precisely the 96mm spacing in 2 dimensions to within a mm/64th of an inch, is NOT easy with a hand drill. And all you have to do is screw up ONE hole somewhere in the middle, and all is lost. I disagree with the MFT comment below. My MFT table, which is made from Home Depot MFT material, has lasted 9 months of constant use and is still as accurate as when I built it. Your grade of MFT is far superior to mine and I believe your original table lasted for years of professional use. If I had to do it over, I would just buy the replacement Festool table and call it a day. It took a LOT of time and effort to make even the second table, so does one want to build shop equipment, or build projects. For those who live across the pond, the TSO rail square guides are available and are quite good. But not at the level of the rail square that you have. Finally, there is a reason that Festool made their MFT top the size they did. I believe that after making a larger top (30in x 60in), I find myself reaching over too far to get to the other side of the table where my custom fence is located. Once is ok but after a couple of hundred times, not so much. The BIG advantage to MFT tops is that once you get one, they are absolute SQUARE and I don't ever have to worry about squareness in using the top, across the ENTIRE SURFACE. Try that with any other solution. Cheers and stay safe.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Yes, MFT tops generally last a long time, even in professional use/abuse 👍

@mgdew 3 жыл бұрын

I use the railsquare sometimes, in conjunction with my benchdogs fence, if you set the flag, butt piece to the fence, lay a longer rail so it goes beyond the fence you can slide the rail upto the edge of the fence and ensure your railsquare remains tight in both places, repeatable for longer pieces.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Yep, always a way! 👍👍

@i679n5 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Martin. Not sure exactly what you mean but you made me realize there are benefits of the rail square even if you have the fence and rail clips. I.e. You don't need the second guide rail dog. I have been trying to make a modular bench (1200x800 mm) with the L shape addition for longer cuts. With the rail square (and dog attachments) I don't need the MFT bottom to be as deep as the cut 👍 Still interested to here more of your idea. Take care

@Sisu2280 3 жыл бұрын

You can also do it by measuring accurately and drawing a line that your track follows... but hey, we love our tools!

@deanoh6414 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was missing something. Set square to get your 90... track on that line, clamp it if you really need to and away you go. How is that a big overhead ?

@Sisu2280 3 жыл бұрын

@@deanoh6414 yeah, but hey, then the tool industry and KZfaq vloggers would be out of business. Also, tools from China, it seems, are as good as Woodpecker for a literal fraction of the price. But definitely buy USA made and support the troops and Trump!

@vjurco 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter - excellent video and lot of food for thoughts. In my humble experience (having used some of those methods), for critical cutting I found most secure and safe just to measure before cutting. Operator error (mine ooops) is always the variable which may sometimes kick in, especially if you rely on something that should be guaranteed but in fact it is not. I had some unlucky experience with crosscutting some material supposed to be perfectly straight (and in fact it was reasonably straight for shorter crosscuts). It was a situation when 4 subsequent crosscuts combined one upon other - which should have resulted into perfect joining resulting shape - were off by 2-3mm / 1m in final end. Each small missalignment repeated and added to previous cut finally ends-up with cca 3mm error on 1m of total length And that hurts... Unfortunately it happens once per time and otherwise it is perfectly OK. From that time I always remind myself - slow down and measure.

@colejulio1337 2 жыл бұрын

i guess im randomly asking but does anyone know a tool to log back into an instagram account..? I somehow lost my password. I love any help you can offer me!

@baylorben6188 2 жыл бұрын

@Cole Julio instablaster :)

@colejulio1337 2 жыл бұрын

@Baylor Ben i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site on google and I'm trying it out now. Takes a while so I will reply here later when my account password hopefully is recovered.

@colejulio1337 2 жыл бұрын

@Baylor Ben It worked and I now got access to my account again. I am so happy! Thanks so much, you saved my account !

@baylorben6188 2 жыл бұрын

@Cole Julio Glad I could help :)

@jonsomething 3 жыл бұрын

Fantastic insight. Thanks for that. As an aside, could you tell me how I might track down your background music?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! There are links in the video description to all the useful stuff - including the music 👌End music is "Dialogue" by Dekobe, check it out here: soundcloud.com/dekobe/dialogu...

@mikegraham7078 Жыл бұрын

I have assumed that the 96mm centers were simply three times the 32mm cabinet standard. Maybe I should watch the video to find out if I was wrong.

@LewiUberg 3 жыл бұрын

The 96mm grid comes from the 32mm system used by mass-produced furniture. Like the shelf pin holes in an Ikea cabinet.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Yes, like I say in the video, there are links in the description that go into this in detail. 👍👍

@LewiUberg 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop All well and good, but I don't see why 3x32 mentioned. So wanted to provide the information for those wondering :)

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Again, too much detail for this video, but links were provided for those interested. It gets more attention in an upcoming video. 👍👍

@bulliethepirate Жыл бұрын

I really enjoy your videos Peter. Do you have a video about yourself? How you started , what you did before etc.

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

Thank you! The closest I have is probably a member video about my background as a photographer and how I started out doing handyman work, and grew that into a fitted furniture business - via a couple of kitchens and bathrooms - and then onto doing KZfaq. I’ll see if I can dig out a link. 👍

@bulliethepirate Жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for your reply. In one of your other videos I heard you mentioned you started as a handy man and I assume at later stage in your life and I found it quite interesting

@ThomasKempDesign 3 жыл бұрын

I found the Benchdogs Rail Square wouldn't even stay square with my evolution rail when moving it with the shortest length of rail so returned it.

@MrZOMBIE170 2 жыл бұрын

what do you thick about the bosch & mafell angle guide ?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Never used it, I’m sorry. 🤷‍♂️👍

@philipb867 3 жыл бұрын

Personally I prefer the festtol square over the bench dogs, it's spot on every cut and quicker to attach - detach from the rail.

@kizzjd9578 3 жыл бұрын

And half the price of the tso version too.

@ronaldomac4918 Жыл бұрын

Can i lower my bucket into your well of excellent knowledge of all things track saw and rail squares..... Do you know if the ''Festool 90 Degree Guide Rail Edge Square FS-WA/90 '' is compatible with the Makita guide rail....?

@10MinuteWorkshop Жыл бұрын

It’s a rebranded TSO square, which is sold as fitting Makita trails, so I wouldn’t expect to have any problems with it.👍

@donproctor3445 2 жыл бұрын

AM I correct the Makita track saw and Festool track saw are interchangeable as far as sharing tracks?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Pretty much yes; there are some subtle differences, see my Which Rails Work? video - kzfaq.info/get/bejne/la6ko7eQx7Gbqqs.html

@neilgibb5265 3 жыл бұрын

What about the Festool Parallel Guides? And what are the options, Festool, TSO triangle, that combine square with angled cuts, please?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

In all seriousness, what about them? This video’s all about comparing the relative merits of rail square or MFT/MFT style top for getting a square cut. Parallel guides are great for - you know - parallel cuts ie rips, and I’ve never used the TSO square - if I ever get my hands in one I’ll consider a video on it. 👍👍

@noskills9577 3 жыл бұрын

I was a lot closer to 40 than mid 40’s when you first mentioned a mobile bench 😂

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@kennywoods8713 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, liked the video, as usual great content. Did you switch out the bolts in your rail dogs as mine are a T bolt which has a bit of play in the rail so doesn't give much confidence in them.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kenny. No, mine's an older version, had the regular hex bolts which are snug. Might be an option to swap them out of the T-bolts have a bit of play. 👍

@rossl2544 3 жыл бұрын

all these videos are making me feel i dont need to replace the table saw my kind next door neighbour burnt for me last year but they are causing me a headache in the way of which track saw to purchase instead of a table saw. can i ask if you have to make longer cuts do you opt for two rails joined or do you go for a single long rail?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

When I first started out all I had was two 1400 rails and a saw - I cut literally miles of board with that setup without any problems at all. Sure, these days I have longer rails and if you have them you use them, generally. If you do it a lot, a long rail is well worth it, provided you have somewhere to store it, but if it's only the occasional full rip, then two rails joined worked fine for me. 👍

@chrisfitzpatrick2421 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I enjoy your content, thx. I have a question, I noticed you don't leave much of a lead in on your rail, just a tad more than the rail square. This means your starting cut is always plunging. I felt starting the saw at full depth and then entering the cut is better? Although a little unbalanced, interested to hear your thoughts.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris than thanks! Yes, when I first started using the Tracksaw system I read this pearl of wisdom many times. Actually, in my experience it doesn’t make a scrap of difference to the cut, and it’s all down to personal preference; if you feel it give a better cut, then feel free to plunge fully first, but for me I simply done see a difference. 👍👍

@jacobbrown1690 2 жыл бұрын

Rather use my 12” cabinet saw. I use track saws for breaking down big sheet goods. Then to the saws or cnc for final sizing.

@jameslaurenson4090 3 жыл бұрын

Great video 👌 do you have any quick convenient methods of making repeatable cuts for small rips e.g 50mm or so? A table saw would ideally be suited for this I know. But I have struggled in the past trying to do these kind of cuts, working on the wrong side of the splinter guard I've found not to be particular accurate/repeatable or easy to set up

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yes, narrow Rios can be a pain to get accurate. Best way I’ve found is to use the DIY waste-side parallel guides - I showed those in the Tracksaw workshop series, links in description - or if it’s just a one-off then the Strawbyte waste side jigs are excellent - Strawbyte waste side jigs - bit.ly/Strawbyte_jigs 👍👍

@jameslaurenson4090 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop cheers I'll give it a go 👍

@dingensundbummens 3 жыл бұрын

I have set up a cutting station for the track saw which uses a rail square for squareness, but adds options for repeatative cuts of pieces of almost any size (down to millimeters) -- also on for waste side cuts if needed / wanted. My son wanted to make some KZfaq content, so we showed our setup on our channel in the hope otheres might benefit from the idea. Cost is around 50 Euros for the cutting station. This replaces my non-existent table saw. Together with the router I rarely miss a table saw. Sometimes a band saw could be the better or sometimes even the only solution I am aware off. But please take a look at my cutting station and see if that might help and post any ideas or questions you might have. Maybe we'll do an english version of the video also.

@TargetBreaker1234 2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, great vid! I’m considering a track saw to replace my radial arm saw in my workshop. I use this saw because it allows me to have a large cross cut capacity plus the ability to switch position to a 45 degree bevel cut for my trim work. Of all your ts vids, I’ve not seen one where you use it for bevel work, is it just as accurate?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Simple truth is that I don't do many bevel cuts, but yes it's very accurate - see video 432 Bedside cabinet kzfaq.info/get/bejne/l7B-rbKLqK7Wd4k.html for the most recent examples in 25mm Birch ply.

@TargetBreaker1234 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop great thanks

@vapeurdepisse 3 жыл бұрын

@7:35 what's that tape clip? Been looking for something like this.....

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Not a tape clip - it’s a Talmeter tape measure - should be links in the description. 👍👍

@Hunders1984 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this overview. I have a Dewalt DW745 right now and my shed is tiny so things can become a bit unwieldy due to needing twice the workpiece length in space. As a side note, it's note as accurate as I'd like. Because of this I am considering selling it getting a track saw solution and this video helps a lot. You may have covered this in another video but how do you go about making long, thin rip cuts on stock that is already fairly narrow? As that's where my table saw really shines and it seems to be the only sticking point in my mind as to whether I want to sell it or not.

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Long thin repetitive rips are just about the only time I turn to the table saw, tbh, but you can do them with a bit of ingenuity, usually involving some tape and a balancer board of the same thickness as the workpiece to ‘extend’ the reach so the rails stays flat. HTH P

@dingensundbummens 3 жыл бұрын

long thin rip cuts can be done very good with a track saw, when you use Bosch Or Mafell. Clamp the piece to cut to the underside of the rail. There are two grooves on the underside of the Bosch tracks. I'll upload a video, likely soon, where I'll show how to do that. You can look on my channel where I have a video (currently in german only) explaining / showing how to cut also small pieces with the track saw.

@tjacksonwoodworker3726 3 жыл бұрын

thanks..

@NickFabi 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, just out of curiosity if you were like a lot of other home diyers without a workshop and only something like an old portable black decker workmate what option would you choose? I know this is a very general question and people will say it’s a case of horses for courses depending on what you are doing

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

You can set up the MFT top on a workmate and have both, but in all honesty for that kind of thing a rail square and an extra trestle for support off the workmate would be the way I’d go. 👍👍

@davidsneddon2242 2 жыл бұрын

Peter can you tell me if the rail square will fit the MacAllister plunge you reviewed and I purchased?

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Hi David. Yes it will - the MacAllister rails are identical to the Makita-pattern rails, so they fit just fine. 👍

@davidsneddon2242 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop thank you so much Peter great to know 👍

@lorenwoirhaye4687 Жыл бұрын

32mm was the closest together engineers could fit the gears that drive the spindles on 32mm boring machines when they were developed after WW2. On these machines every other spindle turns the opposite way so on a 21 spindle machine you need 11 of one and 10 of the other to drill a line of holes on 32mm spacings.

@davidbray6515 3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter thanks for the really good content just a question will the excel track fit the titan track saw thankyou

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

The excel track is a dead ringer for the makita, so pretty sure it will. Maybe check the ‘which rails work’ video, kzfaq.info/get/bejne/la6ko7eQx7Gbqqs.html can’t remember if I tried all saws on all rails or not tbh. 👍

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

@davidbray6515 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter

@bloke875 3 жыл бұрын

Peter, as always I really appreciate your short 10 min series. Can I ask what profile extrusion is used on the work bench you use?

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! The MFT I have is an older MFT/1080, which used the standard 8020 extrusion; with the later / current MFT/3 Festool switched to a proprietary extrusion; all the more reason to go old-school! HTH. P

@bloke875 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you, nice to know it is the 80:40 because that is available here in Australia.

@jemo_hack 3 жыл бұрын

Can’t say enough good about your videos Peter, thank you.... I’ve been having a gripe with the Rail Squares, where, testing the TSO, Benchdogs, Taiga... I find that the squareness is not quite there. There are inconsistencies in getting the rails to square up to the rail square. Now I’ve tried several rails, 3 Festool 1400 and 800, two Makitas, and even the bosh and mafell rails. I find that is quite difficult to get them squared... The TSO and the Taiga seem to align the best to either the Festool of Makita rails, I thing their pull mechanism to attaching the rail, where they pull the rail on to the edge (and the Taiga has the longes edge) of the rails squares, but even in my (prettiness tool caring environment, where I do it for hobby) there is just too much inconsistencies, the play needed to properly bind the two is white enough that you can get enywhere from .5mm to longer that 2mm off. Even @0.5º off on the rails, over 800mm that is .6mm off. Curious how well you faired on the squareness... I see that @7:25 you are getting very similar results... ;) Thoughts? See the conversation over at the Festool or Mafell forums on FB.

@dingensundbummens 3 жыл бұрын

At 7:25 it looks fine. Did you see that different? I have the Taiga square with a Bosch rail and as accurate I can measure it's as square as I can assess. If you attach it correctly, I do not see how the rail could be out of square!? I have some videos about my setup on my channel (in german), where I give a few tips around that topic. Two tips especially interesting for owners of the Taiga Tools square

@jemo_hack 3 жыл бұрын

@@dingensundbummens Yes, I have seen your channel and you are using a taiga square on a Bosch rail I think ( I just remember your square been red). Well, go have a better look you can see that while the edge on the corner looks great, the far end is off from the perspective of the camera... What I have seen is that, the BenchDog Squares, get out of square since there is enough play to fit to the rail, and that gets of the square, all you need is a filler gauge and you can see what I mean. The Taiga, TSO and FC Tools, the pull in the rail on to the edge of the square, getting a tighter fitting. Go to tether the Mafell or Festool FB user groups and you can read all about my experience with photos there.

@johndonnelly8797 3 жыл бұрын

I'm just starting out with buying my own tools for my workshop. I'd love a Festool MFT, but can't afford a Festool plunge saw. Do you know it I can fit my Triton track to the Festool MFT so I can make short cuts as you do in your videos. Thank you 😊

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

Nice! Triton track uses the same pattern as the Makita I believe, so very similar to the Festool. You can make square colours with just benchdogs & rail dogs, the rail square, or the full fence. 👍👍

@johndonnelly8797 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you for the reply as always. Have you ever used the Triton workbench? I'm thinking now that I should maybe get that with bench/rail dogs. Would love Festool one day...

@10MinuteWorkshop 3 жыл бұрын

I haven’t no. BTW I have a mobile bench build coming out in the next few weeks though! 👍👍

@johndonnelly8797 3 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop fantastic, I'll look forward to seeing it. Thank you

@robertneely5148 2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen that you have a section of track hinged to the back of your MFT table. Do you make a hinge or know where I could get one please? btw way I’m a Makita user my finances don’t yet run to the Festool products ☹️

@10MinuteWorkshop 2 жыл бұрын

Hi. The hinged rail comes as standard on the MFT, though you can buy it as a spare part:- Festool MFT hinged rail/ rail support reference numbers are :- 497022 Support - this is the locating pin unit at the front of the MFT 497023 Support unit - this is the hinge part at the back of the MFT for the rail If you do a google search for those reference numbers, the spare parts links will pop up at the top of the list. 👍 I’ll be making my own version of the MFT later in the year BTW. 👍

@robertneely5148 2 жыл бұрын

@@10MinuteWorkshop Thank you Peter, I relly enjoy your videos!