What is an entire fence? Interesting 🤔

I put up a border wall, so far it is working well for me

Lmao 🤣

I know that this is old but can you explain?

@@lexis1344 Just a play on words. A fence is much, much, much, larger than it's gate.

When i do motions on my square gate, i roll off the gate

Yeah that seems so weird

Im practicing avoiding the gate once I get my higher tension spring, bcs I think it's much better for kbd in tekken

KrAceZ - REAL players play within the square gate while amateur children players go for circle or octagonal resistor gate. I already got used to square resistor gates and they are WAY more forgiving than the other 2.

@@jomerbongalos2065 hows the higher tension spring goes? Planning to put either 2lb/3lb on my Sanwa

@Kid_Muscle_ bruh moment

Feels just like the circle gate tbh

Lmaooo

gigiddy

Get tested brah

+Vsankari Yes, there and downsides and upsides to both gates or all gates at that. Like I always mention it's personal preference, play what works for you!

Vsankari gotta check your microswitches or adjust them (distance) so the stick can register them easier

I laughed when I read "Also my shoryukens were often registered as hadokens" Don't know why

Square gates suck ass for characters like Chun Li who requires a pull down instant action for a air stomp combo with tight timing, Only way to really do this is with a Hit Box or using Octo Gate which allows you to lock the down move into grove. If you do it on a square gate you will likely accidentally slide on the gate when you pull down and you will drop the combo. Overall the benefits outweigh the cons so I will gladly stick with octo gate. I also have no issues charging on Octo as I never slide on the gate I just do back forward for Kikoken

You are doing dragon punch wrong. Just really fast press foreword followed by a hadouken and that should give you the dragon punch input no matter what gate you use

But the optimal is to play without any feedback, i.e. not touching the gate at all. It's very hard to not touch the diagonals of a octagonal gate. That's why squares are default for most fighting sticks.

@@gamblerfls Haha, man this comment is old. I switched to a square gate like 2 years ago. Feedback for standard up, down, left right was no longer needed. Only having feedback on the corner inputs feels more focused. You're probably right that no feedback at all is optimal, but I am quite happy with a square gate. But there is a learning curve to it.

@@KaiSchSp - welcome to the square gate tribe!

@@gamblerfls what is the purpose of the gate if not for touching?

@@ocoro174 because some players like to have the feedback. But if you check comparisons between the gate styles, the square is the most even of them all, having the same 11% at all directions. Both octagonal and circular gates have only 6% activation on each diagonal.

+WRFM PaRaDoX Awesome, glad you liked the video. Thanks comment and checking it out!

+Jesus Christ Nice tip!

***** Probably not unless you're really going crazy with it. I'm pretty sure one of the uses of the gate is to help stop wear on the micro switches.

This! Thank you so much! I wish I've seen this sooner! Helped so much!

@En Sabah Nur square gates are the best for charge characters ie. Guile

+Damien Vryce Thanks man, glad you liked it!

Thanks bud! :)

i'm new to this gate all i got suquare plate on mayflash f300 playing tekken 6,7 all time but my stick broken now not functioning well some inputs like F,D diagonals all downs, so which is better is it octagon or square plate for tekken doing all wavedashings and electrics inputs ?

Before changing the gate, I would look at the way you are gripping the stick: Wine glass, modified Wine glass, Eagle, Monkey, Grip of Doom, The Douchebag etc.

@@MrAgmoore preciate the advice bro but i switched to a korean stick a long, long time ago and havent looked back lol

Thanks bud! I really it works out for you :)

the KOWEL 1mm oversize actuator, makes the oct/rnd gate feel about as quick as the square! for a couple of £/$'s you cant really go wrong, if you stick inputs aren't super precise/clean its a good option..:)

square gate with KOWEL 1mm oversize actuator gets less throw distance than octogonal gate with KOWEL 1mm oversize actuator thus square gate will win always finally...You just must practice a lot on square gate ^^

the throw distance doesn't affect the actuation points. the actuation all stays the same, but the throw distances will screw you over, since there's a shorter throw distance for diagonals. depending on how you do your qcfs and qcbs or even 360s, the smaller points will throw you off.

Exactly, I find square gate good for fighting games, but anything other like platformers and especially shoot em up's circular gate feels more natural...

+Abel Perez Thanks bud! Appreciate the feedback!

+Shawn Girard No problem bud! Your going to love the Mad Catz TE2 for sure.. I mean, it uses official quality arcade Sanwa parts in it so you will feel right a home once you get your hands on it for sure. I'm actually planning to put out a full detailed review of the Mad Catz TE2 stick as I had a good 8hrs of play time with it on Beta 4. Thanks for the sub as well, really appreciate it!

+Hasteo How did the foam washers work for you? I'm probably going to have to do the same thing because I don't want to disturb anyone with the button sounds. Do you recommend?

+Shawn Girard They are awesome at dampening the sounds for sure.. like in my video it's a solid 70% noise reduction. Only downside is you don't get that satisfying "tap/click" sound any more.. kind like using a mechanical keyboard for a bit them typing on a membrane keyboard.. kind of feel a bit "mushy".. but really when you playing your not thinking about the "loudness or mushiness". So if your really looking at making sure your button presses are quiet not to disturb people then I highly recommend it!

+Shawn Girard A little disclaimer: I put those foam washers in my Hit Box Sanwa buttons, and very quickly removed them. I also did not want to disturb people with my "tickity-tack-tack" sounds, but the pressure I needed to apply to actuate the buttons increased dramatically. If you're okay with that, then, awesome!

there's 2 reasons why the square gate works better (IN PRO), not only because riding the corners takes longer than using the minimal amount, but because it follows the switch position, meaning, you have as much response for each zone to activate a direction. its kinda like using a circular one with very little deadzone. in that regard, it is closer to a circular gate(also known as gateless) in that you are playing inside the zone, BUT, without the confirmation that you went "too deep",

@@marcosdheleno n response to your comment, I got the Razer Pantera Evo with a Stock Sanwa JLF lever and .9lb and Square gate. From the moment I took it out of the box I have felt it has been a complete waste of money. The stick is so loose, massive throw range, horrible. I played American arcades with what? the HAPP Eurosticks with Octo gates? were those the ones in the 90's arcades right? Anyways in the arcades DP's and Fireball were easy when I was like 12. Here I am getting my first Sanwa with Square gate thinking its going to be wonderful. Nothing but disappointment. Execution went from very high overall (on pad) to dirt low beginner level or worse. So the 2lb spring helped a little bit but not enough. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and I am excited to say the least. Also have a oversized actuator and a Octo restrictor gate on the way as well for the JLF. Between the mods for the JLF and the new shiny Seimitsu LS-40 I think I will be much much happier. I will never again play with a stock Sanwa lever and square gate combo. Its unplayable in my opinion. I have read from others too that they absolutely HATE the stock Sanwa with square gate. They find it awful as well. They said the Seimitsu comes stock with a sort of Square-roundish gate that is much better, so I am even more excited when I think about it LOL I highly doubt any pro uses a STOCK Sanwa JLF lever with a Stock Square gate. Everyone I read about their info or ask, also say in their equipment used or there preference pretty much all use CUSTOM Sanwa Lever's .Custom, not stock (LMAO) Custom is the key word Custom. I will never ever touch stock Sanwa's for the rest of my life, I swear it.

n response to your comment, I got the Razer Pantera Evo with a Stock Sanwa JLF lever and .9lb and Square gate. From the moment I took it out of the box I have felt it has been a complete waste of money. The stick is so loose, massive throw range, horrible. I played American arcades with what? the HAPP Eurosticks with Octo gates? were those the ones in the 90's arcades right? Anyways in the arcades DP's and Fireball were easy when I was like 12. Here I am getting my first Sanwa with Square gate thinking its going to be wonderful. Nothing but disappointment. Execution went from very high overall (on pad) to dirt low beginner level or worse. So the 2lb spring helped a little bit but not enough. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and I am excited to say the least. Also have a oversized actuator and a Octo restrictor gate on the way as well for the JLF. Between the mods for the JLF and the new shiny Seimitsu LS-40 I think I will be much much happier. I will never again play with a stock Sanwa lever and square gate combo. Its unplayable in my opinion. I have read from others too that they absolutely HATE the stock Sanwa with square gate. They find it awful as well. They said the Seimitsu comes stock with a sort of Square-roundish gate that is much better, so I am even more excited when I think about it LOL I highly doubt any pro uses a STOCK Sanwa JLF lever with a Stock Square gate. Everyone I read about their info or ask, also say in their equipment used or there preference pretty much all use CUSTOM Sanwa Lever's .Custom, not stock (LMAO) Custom is the key word Custom. I will never ever touch stock Sanwa's for the rest of my life, I swear it.

@@rebranded1248 You gonna be fucked your lever breaks at a tourney, much better to just take the time to learn to control a stock Sanwa considering it's the most widely used lever

@@Ayyem93 My issue with the stock Sanwa JLF lever is not the control aspect of it in general terms. I don't ride or grind the gate or anything if that's what you are referencing. Doing Fireballs and Dp motions basic/intermediate combos isn't my dilemma. What I am talking about is when it comes to doing high execution combos that have multiple 1-frame links, require nearly instant dashes/running and also need extremely fast neutral/throw/centering its just feels impossible. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and also a octo plate with a 1mm oversized actuator for the JLF coming as well. I am forced to switch the stock square restrictor gate that comes with the JLF for the octo gate because the oversized actuator does not work properly with the default square gate. My issue basically with stock JLF is the input quickness is far too slow to be able to do the Hardest of Hard combos their are (talking about older games from the harder execution era). Like Evil Ryu 1 frame link combos in SF4 for example. Can do them on D-pad Dual Shock by the way. SFV and modern fighting games are easy in general (does not matter the control device really) and pretty much require juggle timing mostly not lighting fast inputs with extremely small link combo windows if that makes sense.

Yeah man same I grew up in Canada and tried to get used to the square gate cause people said its better but too many dropped inputs because I just don't have the muscle memory for it. Just hitting a double QCF in SF felt like hitting the lottery to me. Guess I'm a caveman but riding the gate just feels better to me

+theNecksLevel Thanks man, appreciate the positive vibes! :)

+theNecksLevel definitely !

+Joel Munguia np bud, check out www.focusattack.com/

What was your experience with the oct gate

hated it, removed it and haven't used in since. If you're used to square gates keep using them. Oct gates just give to much stroke. I have seen a kit that shortens it so i might give it a go.

@@SoulGrind81 4 years later lol but I hate trying to do corners on oct gate

Which gate is better for CONSISTENT HALF-CIRCLES ? for games like King of fighters ?

Square gates for me. Got rid of the Oct gates pretty quickly. It's really down to what you're used to. In australia our arcades mainly use square gates.

Stick in the original arcade games, such as Donkey Kong and Pac-Man, were only 4 directions, so a square made sense. When arcades went to 8 directions, they kept the square gate for cost reasons.

It just improves the diagonal situation because you need to hit 2 switches to go diagonal. This is very important for things like footsies and micro walks when you need to be able to crouch block in an instant. I find for circular and octagonal, you almost need to do two inputs, press down first and then roll back to guarantee a block.

@@eddiek6390 Mortal Kombat 1 & 2 used circle. I'm playing King of Fighters 13 Steam edition right now on a Qanba Fusion with a square gate & Sanwa joystick & buttons and it's taking me a while to adapt, because I'm used to a circle gate for fighting. The fight stick was for playing shoot 'em ups on MAME emulator.

@@eddiek6390those games used a diamond gate for 4 way movement. diagonal isn’t an option on them which is why they’re not here

circle is much more harder to play lol

With how precise your inputs need to be in KOF I'd recommend picking up a sanwa jlf stick and just going octa or square

In response to your comment, I got the Razer Pantera Evo with a Stock Sanwa JLF lever and .9lb and Square gate. From the moment I took it out of the box I have felt it has been a complete waste of money. The stick is so loose, massive throw range, horrible. I played American arcades with what? the HAPP Eurosticks with Octo gates? were those the ones in the 90's arcades right? Anyways in the arcades DP's and Fireball were easy when I was like 12. Here I am getting my first Sanwa with Square gate thinking its going to be wonderful. Nothing but disappointment. Execution went from very high overall (on pad) to dirt low beginner level or worse. So the 2lb spring helped a little bit but not enough. I have a Seimitsu LS-40 on the way and I am excited to say the least. Also have a oversized actuator and a Octo restrictor gate on the way as well for the JLF. Between the mods for the JLF and the new shiny Seimitsu LS-40 I think I will be much much happier. I will never again play with a stock Sanwa lever and square gate combo. Its unplayable in my opinion. I have read from others too that they absolutely HATE the stock Sanwa with square gate. They find it awful as well. They said the Seimitsu comes stock with a sort of Square-roundish gate that is much better, so I am even more excited when I think about it LOL I highly doubt any pro uses a STOCK Sanwa JLF lever with a Stock Square gate. Everyone I read about their info or ask, also say in their equipment used or there preference pretty much all use CUSTOM Sanwa Lever's .Custom, not stock (LMAO) Custom is the key word Custom. I will never ever touch stock Sanwa's for the rest of my life, I swear it.

round gate

Square.

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Myoungshin Fanta. In my opinion, this stick allows for diagonals input much easier. Makes Heihachis OTGF or Hwoarangs JFSR so much easier. It took a bit for me to adjust from an octo-gate to no gate at all. My wave dashes with the fanta had accidental u/f notations when I first started on it, but now I can light dash at ease. Can't wait til Tekken 7 comes out!!

The man is right. The Myounshin Fanta is the best stick for playing Mishimas in Tekken. However, one thing to know about it is that is is not easy to use as your first stick. The throw is really small. It takes a good amount of adjustment. Still though, I highly recommend it too. If you prefer a J stick trying modding one with a heavier spring.

i got my stick 3 months ago, Hori arcade pro.V. the stick is great, but its a square gate. It will take lots of time to get use to it. i can do PEWGF like 75%-70% of the time now. For wavedash i just have to get use to moving my hands quick to perform it, but it is very do able. I recommend this stick if you can't or not confident in modding, and willing to throw some money at a stick(its $200 CAD) that will last a long time. there are 2 versions 1 for PlayStation and the other one is xbox both work with pc.

Yeah, ive been looking rapV also, I think for a first stick its pretty good price/quality, thanks for the insight ;)

Roman Zadorozhnyy Crown 309mj

My gate is a line. Beat that you filthy casual!

yeah ok...watch when I sweep EVO this year with my Pong paddle.

nah Haha i would like to see that one

JOhn Doe Lmao no way im beating that

JOhn Doe: My gate has 0 gate! There's no jump, duck, move right or left, or any diagonals!

+Sakereflex Np, glad you liked it!

i know this comment is old, but hex gate? is that a real thing, or did you mean octo gate?

@@TheShredFaster he meant the Octagon Gate

The original gates in arcade cabinets were diamond gates. They were used for games like Pac-Man where the only directions you needed were up, down, left, and right. The way the switches are arranged in the stick mechanism meant it would actually be impossible to register the diagonal input (as it is actually read as the combined input of two switches, the diamond gate only allows one switch to be actuated at a time). The brilliant engineering eureka moment Japanese designers had was that you could just rotate the gates by 45 degrees and it would allow for those diagonals to be read when two switches were simultaneously activated. These gates allowed 8-way movement so more complex games could be made. If you just rotated the gate in current sticks, you'd lose diagonal directionality. Rotating a modern gate AND the switches by 45 degrees, however, and reading single switch input as a diagonal and the combined inputs as up, down, left, and right might actually be an idea for some very ambitious modders out there. It might (probably would) require reprogramming of the stick's logic board as well, though...

So playing with the octagon gate is like playing with the analogs on the controllers?

It doesn't work that way, the gate doesn't change the base deadzone of the stick, it just *seems* that way because it reduces the total space and therefore the percentage of the edges. When you get good you won't use all that extra space on the squares, specially the corner ones. Don't get me wrong, play on what you're comfortable with, I just want to point out that many people don't really have that problem you're describing.

gameraxis I know I’m a year late but thank you. That was insightful and well replied sir or madam. I’m just starting fighting games for the first time and I’m loving the square gate, though I thought I would hate it at first.

gameraxis Personally, I grew up in european arcades (I'm 40) where there were EXCLUSIVELY circular gates and I tend to do a lot of errors with square gates while I'm actually more precise with octagonal or circular ones, believe it or not. I cannot be precise unless i ride the gate and riding a square gate always gives me some mistakes and LESS reactions because of the longer movements.

Very, very informative!!!!! Thanks for this breakdown!!!!

+PointForward Trinidad Thanks bud! Check out this video for techniques kzfaq.info/get/bejne/odWlarKJnpnciZs.html and also this video on some grips kzfaq.info/get/bejne/gd-fZa-l0q6xmmg.html

+Girthquake42 Thanks Bud!

Let's be real, you couldn't do fireballs properly because you hadn't played a real fighting game up until now.

@@Nick_Whiskey Yo its me from a year later. Gold in SFV now! I actually ditched the arcade stick all together and went with the hitbox style controller and having lots of fun with it. Yes it was a little bit of being new to fighting games and it was a little bit of the controller. Once I played more and mess with more controllers I found whats comfy and stuck with it and got better!

@@outthefryinpan glad you kept to it, fighting games are rewarding!

Octagonal gate is a corner-feel version of the circular gate. Rather than having players (who ever played on HAPP/IE sticks that convert to smaller joysticks) guess where the corners are, the octagonal gate gave that corner a sense in order to do DPs with a bit of ease.

Crimson-fox Twitch how about marvel vs Capcom?

Yeah square gates are usually for 2d fighters while octagonal or circular are for 3d fighters,

Crimson-fox Twitch I'm KOF player i rather use circular it's better.

I play tekken with a square gate and gotten used to it. Thanks for the suggestion

Square for Tekken imo

If you rotate the gate like that to give the cardinal directions the corners, you no longer have an 8-way stick. You’ve made it into a 4-way stick and won’t be able to hit diagonals. Anyway, I know what you’re saying. You don’t have to hit the corners in a square gate to activate the diagonals. So aggressive play can lead to input errors. I will hit the side of the gate and the lever will slide a bit and trigger a diagonal. So I’ll jump when I don’t want to or something like that. It’s very annoying. I grew up with the arcades so an octagonal gate or circle gate/no gate is much preferable.

+Some Deadhead indeed you can but that wasn't the question, maybe OP doesn't want to open it up and mod for some reason

If it's Japan-made or Japan-inspired, it's gonna be a square. If it's US-inspired (X-Arcade, for example), it's going to be an octagon or circle. (X-Arcade uses a circle. Or was that no actual gate, but just going to the edges of the outer shaft?)

the sanwa lever on that stick is square by default. source: recently bought one

@@RainyRainy6 is possible change it with semitsu?

as long as it’s not too much deeper than the sanwa jlf, look online to find measurements and check how much extra space you have in your case