Squawks Watches Matpat talk about FNaF theorizing or something doe waaay to long.

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Sire Squawks

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8 ай бұрын

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@reportedbooch697
@reportedbooch697 8 ай бұрын
“I want this to just be a simple little reaction” *Hour and a half response to a 20 minute video*
@sutarikun
@sutarikun 8 ай бұрын
Now watch as MatPat turns this into a 3-part hour and a half special re-react.
@airikakinglove9170
@airikakinglove9170 8 ай бұрын
I think the fnaf community is at a point where we are sick of no confirmation anywhere really. I think Scott should give us a clearer outline of where to look.
@cjleehaze
@cjleehaze 8 ай бұрын
I been here since day 1 and thats always been the biggest fucking problem with the community. We need answers not just guessing and guessing
@airikakinglove9170
@airikakinglove9170 8 ай бұрын
@@cjleehaze i agree it's not bad to have some things go unexplained and be kept as a mystery but not the entire story 😭
@cjleehaze
@cjleehaze 8 ай бұрын
@@airikakinglove9170 EXACTLY, that’s the biggest problem with fnaf since day 1 like hell don’t just give us a story then not explained or simply tell us what is what.
@azuresiren5846
@azuresiren5846 7 ай бұрын
This. This sees to be the root of it
@caldercockatoo2234
@caldercockatoo2234 6 ай бұрын
FINALLY, someone who acknowledges this! Theorizing was fun at first but it's gotten to the point where barely anything is explained anymore and it's just so annoying.
@zombiem3mes441
@zombiem3mes441 8 ай бұрын
We can all agree that patient 46 is patient 46.
@SkeldarkUmbras
@SkeldarkUmbras 8 ай бұрын
Wait so they were not patient Zebra!?!
@BlazeWriter
@BlazeWriter 8 ай бұрын
It’s kinda sad that a lot of Mat’s discussion in the second half is gonna be largely ignored due to him spending way too much time on Gregbot in the first half
@Chillipeffer
@Chillipeffer 8 ай бұрын
he could've cut it and the video would've forced people to think about how they are looking at theories. Instead, 20 more boxes of "Greg-bot bad"
@Paur
@Paur 7 ай бұрын
@@ChillipefferI get the impression he wanted to talk about this interesting personality test and how it goes into how people approach theorizing, but he also REALLY wanted to clapback at his naysayers too, and the intrusive thoughts won this time.
@SashaStowers
@SashaStowers 8 ай бұрын
The thing about robot people in FNAF is that they are basically human. From a functional standpoint, they are nearly indistinguishable from a mind controlled person, which we actually know exists in game. Until they show you the Endo or demonstrate super strength, you can't be sure. I have so many MORE questions if Gregory IS a robot, than if he's a human. Like who built him? Why would Henry or his equivalent be sending messages or rebuilding the crying child, Afton's son, and not his own child? If Freddie knows he's a robot, why does he take him to the human first aid, instead of parts and service? Based on the posters found in ruin, who reported Gregory missing if he's just a robot without a family? Why does Cassie also see static when she dies in game? Is she also a robot, if so who built her? I could go on...
@roserobin3441
@roserobin3441 8 ай бұрын
The virgin S vs. the chad N. Jokes on you critics!
@reverse6722
@reverse6722 8 ай бұрын
If you have something to say, it shouldn't matter how much you have to pause the video, that is what i am here to hear, it doesn't matter how much time passes
@apineapple3177
@apineapple3177 8 ай бұрын
In regards to the ice cream in ruin It was change to a pink ice cream considering they would be no reason to change it if this was supposed to be something important this could be Scott trying to put us on the right path
@shadicperez
@shadicperez 8 ай бұрын
For the foxy bro bit I think he meant the survival log book to “solve” it because of how he thought that Mike = CC at the time
@edenengland1883
@edenengland1883 8 ай бұрын
something random i just noticed about the Gregbot theory Gregory isnt british, or at the very least doesnt have a british accent
@vincentmorris8431
@vincentmorris8431 8 ай бұрын
Upon voting in his polls where he asked what other theorists we watch, there was unfortunately no Sire Squawks up there either. (Though I mentioned you in 'others'.)
@777SilverPhoenix777
@777SilverPhoenix777 8 ай бұрын
I mentioned him as well
@polaris-san6170
@polaris-san6170 8 ай бұрын
Been into fnaf since basically day 1. And i can tell you without a doubt the biggest fucking problem with the theorizing side of the fanbase, its how unclear the story is even with all the things weve gotten. Its getting to be obnoxious at this point because of the constant bickering over theories. Ffs, scott needs to just release a timeline up until fnaf UCN. If theorizing is REALLY wanted that bad then alright sure, but im fairly certain were at a new arc of the story now and we still have a lot of unanswered questions dispite the fact its been what almost 10 years since the game released. Its ridiculous man
@lieeeleeee
@lieeeleeee 8 ай бұрын
Im commenting again haha, I’m glad you talk about Scott’s definition of canon. I feel like his definition of canon is “does it mean something” ie everything Scott(or whoever) writes means something. Not in a literal or plot way but atleast in a thematic way. I just think Scott is saying that as an author all his work means something, just as every story ever means something. He jsut means “none of my work is useless nonsense”. I think this because it feels like a reasonable way for an author or creator to feel about their work, I can see how “this isn’t canon” could make and author feel like their work is dismissed. Plus like way less people would buy fnaf books if they said they were definitely not canon, the possibility of anything being canon is what makes the franchise money so Scott has an incentive to call everything canon
@davidsmiley7036
@davidsmiley7036 8 ай бұрын
Just an FYI: the Myers-Briggs personality test is outdated and unreliable. Mostly it's based off non-empirical observations of Carl Jung and was not created by a psychologist.
@Shift_Salt
@Shift_Salt 4 ай бұрын
Wild
@bluestrangler0447
@bluestrangler0447 8 ай бұрын
I really don't like how this has brought out seemingly two faction, the "MatPat is an angel an has done nothing wrong and how dare you "jump down his throat" at every chance" and the "MatPat is literally the devil and he's a horrible egotistical person". And it sucks because this reaction is good and both brings up the good parts of this video while explaining which parts maybe missed the mark. Bring back nuance guys
@bpsara
@bpsara 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, that’s what bums me out the most. Theorizing is the epitome of living in gray areas and picking at the nuance of things!
@mohmdbak3062
@mohmdbak3062 8 ай бұрын
When talking about the books, he didnt only mean the original three, he also meant the fazbear frights
@monstrdog7031
@monstrdog7031 8 ай бұрын
This fandom does take things too far quite alot, as fandoms do, but theres is this thing, especially as it seems in recent game theories, where mat will latch on to the smallest detail or speculation and that will become the whole theory and be stretched so far and continue throughout new information coming up, and into later videos, as said; or its even contradicted by "evidence" not long after. Ms. Afton ceo for example, this character that we've had no info about whatsoever, is suddenly supposed to be the big bad because of the staffbot table, and then is contradicted a few sentences later with it being implied that she self unalived/the age problem/the myriad of other holes. Or gregbot because, yeah, the filter thats not just with vanny, or the stickynote room HAS to be gregbot because reasons. Or this light is green so has to be Elisabeth or charlie, ignoring glitchtrap or every other thing thats green.
@johnman8398
@johnman8398 8 ай бұрын
Ms Afton ceo had some merit though and most of the "counters" to that theory could be explained. It has been never been stated she unalived herself and the age isn't a problem as she'd be old but not so old that its impossible (she could be in her 70s or 80s). I don't think there's a problem with latching onto small details as that's what most theorists nor do I think that its going too far as long as the theorist doesn't claim what they're saying is fact.
@GreatRaijin
@GreatRaijin 8 ай бұрын
​@johnman8398 okay but if ms.afton abandoned her family because of william's twisted obsessions , why would she suddenly decide to come back as an old lady to rebuild them and how did she acquire this mad scientist knowledge lol
@johnman8398
@johnman8398 8 ай бұрын
@@GreatRaijin It can be explained as her overtime starting to have regrets leaving behind her family behind and wanting them back after years of separation. As for the knowledge it can be explained as her finding William's notes and research.
@kingofflames738
@kingofflames738 8 ай бұрын
Pretty sure that's been the whole fnaf franchise from the beginning. I don't think anything has really changed there.
@monstrdog7031
@monstrdog7031 8 ай бұрын
@@johnman8398 but an old lady is going to do all that to live, much less raise them, for what, a few years-a decade or so? After decades of being out of the picture. It's implied that shes dead in the therapy tapes and there's no other hint to her even being anywhere besides that she had to have kids, and the staffbot table. Henry's son suddenly existing and being the CEO is just as believable as that lol. But the point is, he latches on to the smallest points like that, that have shreds of evidence and get contradicted, and base his whole timeline on it
@Josh651Pro
@Josh651Pro 8 ай бұрын
I definitely think your one of the best theorists because your theories are very probable and most likely the correct answer and you back it up with good amounts of evidence such as your theory on Puppetstuffed. I personally think you deserve more recongition in the FNAF theorist community 👏 keep up the good work 👍
@justsomerandomperson6506
@justsomerandomperson6506 8 ай бұрын
One of my biggest problems with the whole Gregbot theory which I don’t really see that many people talk about is that Gregory and the CC actually nothing alike. If Gregory was supposed to be a robot replica of the CC then why does he act so differently from him? With Charlie in the books she was 3 when she was murdered so obviously you’re not gonna know what kind of personality she was gonna have when she got older because again she was 3 when she died. But the CC was like 8 or 9 maybe even 10 when he died, and Gregory looks like he’s 10, so if Afton, Vanny, Mimic or whoever built Gregory as a replica of the CC, why program him to act nothing like him?
@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF
@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF 8 ай бұрын
It's CC without memories and we don't know what CC was like before all og Michael's bullying happened, maybe he was a little more like Gregory. Plus CC was probably like 9 when he died, a three year old dowsn't speak as well as he seems to be able to, Plus the minigames are never consistant with stuff, like William's coloring for instance as well as the height and body tyoe of the two sprites. Plus he looks older then that in the picture from the character encylepedoa.
@soomi5667
@soomi5667 8 ай бұрын
While I dont believe in gregbot..I think it was a little intentional to have the two have similar wardrobe.
@DarkShadic9632
@DarkShadic9632 8 ай бұрын
@@soomi5667I think they’re supposed to thematically parallel each other, not in the way they act, but in how they progress the story. CC’s death motivates the protagonist in Michael, and Gregory’s bonding with Freddy motivates Freddy to go beyond his Mimic-based programming and help bring an end to the horrors of the Pizzaplex. I’m just spitballing, I could be fully wrong, but I feel like that’s a solid enough explanation.
@soomi5667
@soomi5667 8 ай бұрын
@@DarkShadic9632 Actually that's a better way of explaining it. It's actually better wording to say " thematically parallel". I think it also still fits into what I was saying a little haha.
@justsomerandomperson6506
@justsomerandomperson6506 8 ай бұрын
@@SomeonesBestFriend11_SBF Well yes we don't know how the CC acted before Michael started bullying him, but I highly doubt it was anything close to Gregory. If someone is bullying someone all the time the same exact way, their not going to eventually start collapsing on the ground crying, their eventually going to become desensitized to it. Also I think you got me pointing out Charlie's age in the books when she died which was 3 and me talking about how the CC was close to Gregory's age when he died confused.
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 8 ай бұрын
Then the squeal “The weirdest William Arc” is also a highlight
@gif303
@gif303 8 ай бұрын
My main problem with current MatPat theories is that he keeps using his own theories as basis without giving it a second thought. And he’s been doing it for so long too, feels like he never steps back and reevaluates.
@azrienstewartenasen1508
@azrienstewartenasen1508 8 ай бұрын
you basically saying that matpat just theorizes without facts and evidence while is not true. believe what you wanna believe but don't try to be toxic and spread misinformation about someone.
@gif303
@gif303 8 ай бұрын
Not exactly what I was trying to say. Sorry if it came across that way, it’s just that MatPat’s response video rubs me the wrong way. Like he’s contradicting his own point over “you don’t have to believe me, it’s just a theory” with the whole “I was right before, so do trust me”. He has no one playing devil's advocate for him, and when the community itself tried to offer a different perspective he makes a video like this. To me, feels like he’s not taking other perspectives into account, specifically when he’s using his own theories as basis for his argument.
@bpsara
@bpsara 7 ай бұрын
I think his strategy for theorizing is making wild broad strokes in hopes of catching important details that sooner or later become relevant. And because their his theories, he has to follow through with them until proven completely wrong (which can’t really happen since so little is confirmed, unless it’s stated explicitly by scott or the games) And that’s what rubs people the wrong way. I think it’s okay if it sounds contradicting in this case, because both things are true. He’s been right before (that doesn’t mean he’s always right, but he HAS been) AND they’re just theories. IMO it doesn’t matter if his theories (or anyone’s) are right or wrong. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don’t. But I like listening to them anyway. To me it’s all about learning how others perceive the same story and what we come up with to solve the unsolvable mystery. Will the current theories be right again? Who knows! Nobody does. That’s the whole point of theorizing. Especially for FNAF stuff where pretty much 95% of the info is pure speculation on top of semi-speculation for everyone. Plus, lore tends to either change, get retconned, or gains evidence with each game.
@TeraChad23
@TeraChad23 8 ай бұрын
It appears the sound is back, so we can finalky enjoy another great Squawks video!
@TeraChad23
@TeraChad23 8 ай бұрын
Also, bro really pulled a GTNotLive and made a video 10 times longer than the original video 💀
@ransack_knight
@ransack_knight 8 ай бұрын
ah yes Giraffe Town, the second game in the fnaf timeline and Kerbal Space Program is the last one in the timeline.
@ExodaCrown
@ExodaCrown 8 ай бұрын
4/9 of the evidence has nothing to do with gregbot being true and is evidence for Gregory being a narrative stand in for crying child. 1/9 is possible, but could also be a game mechanic(Vanny static). 2/9 are showing it is possible for robot children (Books and robot head). 1/9 can be interrupt many different ways. (Gregory looks different) 1/9 the theorist community didn't solve and steelwool had to give the cypher for that basically described the game.(Wall code) That is my take on things, I don't like gregbot because the evidence is weak and puts more questions on the table than it would solve. Hell, I throw out evidence that could either be another game mechanic or evidence for gregbot, that being when you hop into Freddy you get to see through his eyes. Though I agree that people take theories too seriously and there is no need to attack people over them. All in all a good rant.
@vincentmorris8431
@vincentmorris8431 8 ай бұрын
I am tempted to say Crying Child's illustration with brown eyes might've been based after Gregory's model, seeing as it also uses the knee bandage. Also interesting how color has varied: Elizabeth - redhead (comic goes more blonde than strawberry) with green eyes, The SL Custom Night sprite we call Michael is brunette with blue eyes (to 4's has black hair), and Crying Child has been just brunette. Eyes debated between green or blue (the blue-eyed SL head considered with green one towards Elizabeth and closed eyes to their mother. Also, it said Burntrap and Blob weren't canon names, but this boy is named 'The Crying Child'...
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 8 ай бұрын
His name just being "The Crying Child" is hilarious yet sad. One of the seemingly most significant characters in the series still doesn't have a canon name years after his introduction. ☠️
@soomi5667
@soomi5667 8 ай бұрын
@@Takejiro24The disrespect to him I swear smh. Just give a name Scott.. 🥲
@burntnorris
@burntnorris 8 ай бұрын
MatPat voice: Some people can interpret the things they read, and some people are stupid, I guess, I don't know. I'm very intelligent.
@cancerianStargazer
@cancerianStargazer 8 ай бұрын
thats a very S response
@ibraahimdureng7482
@ibraahimdureng7482 8 ай бұрын
Matpat isn’t that smart.
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly 4 ай бұрын
What he's saying is that he believes his own interpretations of what he reads. Which is not that impressive.
@BunBit_
@BunBit_ 8 ай бұрын
For your point on the mimic losing shapeshifting abilities + where the springlocked original remains went: We know the mimic can replace parts, it does so between the Scooper Ending and the Elevator Ending paths, so thats just what happened here. New limbs because the old ones were too broken, possibly from the suit it was springlocked by. Removing the parts that were part of its whole shapeshifting thing was part of that process, so it lost that ability.
@J_productionss
@J_productionss 8 ай бұрын
That whole "Gregbot defense/General theory defense" portion really drags down what is otherwise really a great criticism of the FNAF community's cherry-picking and general toxicity. I wish Mat gave a test screening of this to his Patreon supporters or something so that they could tell him to cut out that entire part.
@kaysarilyas4430
@kaysarilyas4430 8 ай бұрын
At this point steel wool or Scott need to come out and say gregbot isn’t true 😂
@GreatRaijin
@GreatRaijin 8 ай бұрын
I think matpat does know you exist, the problem is youre not always the most family friendly fnaf channel lol, matpat tries to be extremely family friendly
@gizkma2303
@gizkma2303 8 ай бұрын
So what you’re saying is that the Mimic is Liquid Snake, and at some point in the games we’ll have to throw down with him on a Faz-mech?
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 8 ай бұрын
clearly
@samueltitone5683
@samueltitone5683 8 ай бұрын
Can’t wait to see Gregbot supplex an animatronic before slicing it in half as “Rules of Nature” blares in the background.
@kksmith2282
@kksmith2282 8 ай бұрын
I really do wish he'd have skipped the beginning part about Gregbot because the second half was actually a really good argument. As much as I love Matpat, I feel like he makes two big mistakes when it comes to Fnaf theories (or at least this is my interpretation). The first is the use of hyperbole or very certain language when talking about things that are not certain. You pointed out the Henry built the Mimic thing and that's a good example. He clearly knows Edwin built the Mimic in the books and I don't think he intentionally meant to mislead there, but this was a topic he covered in a previous video so in his mind, it's easier to just cut to the chase assuming the audience understands his parallel interpretation already, or otherwise knows enough to know he's making that jump. And the problem is a lot of people just don't. One I've really been annoyed with for awhile is "Scott doesn't do coincidences!" Yes, he does. He's just a dude. I don't know if Matpat even believes this specifically either, but it's a fun bit of hyperbole for him to say "there are LESS coincidences in Fnaf than your typical franchise." But then I'll see people parrot this line of his and it's very frustrating. The other problem is just his biases to past theories. Gregbot is a good example. Charlie is green is another. The initial theory is, sure, not necessarily the strongest in every case but I can see where he's coming from at least. But then he'll often treat those theories as core assumptions to build future theories off from even if evidence has come out in the meantime that heavily contradict them. I honestly think a lot of this might be "he's too busy" thing - he doesn't have the time to hyper focus on the franchise like the typical Fnaf theorist because he runs so many other projects (on top of also being a dad). I think he tends to miss things because of that unfortunately. You can see it with him bringing up the same Gregbot evidence even though some of those things aren't very strong anymore or at all. (also I agree with you on the Roxy's eyes thing, that one ALWAYS bothered me for the exact same reason and I wish he'd just drop it) But the second half was definitely really good. I wish he wouldn't have done the first half because I'm afraid people are going to use that to dismiss what he says in the second half :( Hopefully that isn't the case. Because it has become extremely frustrating lately. Side note - I took his Myers Brigs survey and was sad you weren't listed on it. I at least made sure to shout you out in my response as a Fnaf theorist I often watch :D It probably won't even be noticed but hey, worth mentioning anyways (honestly I'm a little surprised he did miss you with some of the others he had on there like Notrealname, ImpulseEvan, O-Zone, etc who I've never really seen him talk about either).
@reallyoriginalname1221
@reallyoriginalname1221 8 ай бұрын
i mean. He does run 4 entire channels thst he uploads weekly on. And then the Livestream channel. The merch. He's said that he spends hours a day just in meetings alone. And then theres ollie, his young kid. Mans probably run ragged, especially with food snd style theory doing a lot of real life experimentation
@kksmith2282
@kksmith2282 8 ай бұрын
@@reallyoriginalname1221 Yup exactly. I think that's exactly why he tends to miss some of this stuff sometimes.
@Rose_Haw
@Rose_Haw 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this. I was annoyed by the first half of his video, but all the comments on the video where 100% positive so i fealt alone in my annoyance. So yeah thank you for being critical of that video.
@longfishy
@longfishy 8 ай бұрын
Is no one gonna talk about how discriminatory the whole S vs N thing is? Because I'm new but I don't want to be known as someone who uses their brain less.
@almightykellus2585
@almightykellus2585 8 ай бұрын
It's based on pseudoscience invented by white supremacists anyway, so I wouldn't worry too much about it
@agenti4734
@agenti4734 8 ай бұрын
I don't think Mat is judging for being S. He's just saying that a lot of people who do judge him are S who take things at face value and tell him he's wrong (not saying there aren't N's who also do that.) Because in this franchise, it's hard to take things at face value when everything is given so vaguely at times. So people who do take it at face value can often get things wrong. No hate to S people tho. I like to take FNAF with some of N and S and I think we all should. Like sometimes, I do take things with N thoughts, like Michael and William's talk at SL. Sometimes I take things quite literally, like in SB, where Freddy sees Gregory as different might literally be because he now has x-ray.
@longfishy
@longfishy 8 ай бұрын
@@agenti4734 Yeah, I see where your coming from. Usually I will do the same thinking, but I've noticed that I am primarily an S thinker and will only use N thinking to make theories, such as why no one showed up at cassies party. I use S to see the fnaf world around me on average, paying attention to things like when Greg says, 'I don't wanna be crushed into a meat pretzel, be careful when you move around' to freddy, stating to me that he is, or at least thinks he is, a human kid. I just felt defensive about this because I realized I am relatively new to the community and yes, I am a higher percentage of S, but the incrediblely basic way matt was talking about how Ss perceive the world and then act off that, annoyed me because he said that Ns did the same but think about what they can't sense. I do that too, so I don't want to be lumped in with other people. Also, the test they used had N as purple and S as green. Lol. Isn't that test disproven now anyway though?
@spaghettiiwithjuice9826
@spaghettiiwithjuice9826 6 ай бұрын
@@longfishy yeah, it's been confirmed as pure psuedoscience for a while, the original creators of MBTI never had any formal training in psychology either (even if, plently of influential psychologists from the past have been very wrong about many things). as a bonus: supposedly, one of the main founders of MBTI was a white supremacist and the intent of the test was to attempt to scientifically prove white people were superior, rebranding it as a simple personality test after proving themselves wrong. it's all hearsay but it's also very intriguing that they now refuse to let anyone see the original documents that laid the groundwork for the test.. wonder why. oh, also the fact that companies commonly use it to judge who would be best for their workplace, which to me absolutely screams that they're gonna use it to justify firing people who would be more likely to unionize for simple fair pay according to their pseudoscience personality category as "just finding the best people with the right mindset to work here!"
@Sopsy_Hallow
@Sopsy_Hallow 8 ай бұрын
it really seems like the video is like, a good point to make muddied by bad examples like he has some points with the gregbot rant that people will often simplify and reduce theories into absurdity to dismiss them, or that people will ignore details or interpretations aslong as they dont support their argument, but the gregbot example just wasnt a good example to display it and he spent too much time trying to add additional details to gregbot when it wasnt about gregbot to begin with same with later on when he says there are differences between the books and the games, but then he mostly lists things that have explicit explanations of why they are different
@TheCreepyLantern
@TheCreepyLantern 8 ай бұрын
Matpats vid was one of those things where a lot of what he said bugged me but i couldn't really put it into words, you know the franchise so well you were able to explain things perfect so thanks! :D
@porcelainchips6061
@porcelainchips6061 8 ай бұрын
What if the whole point of Gregory seeming like Crying Child is just to hint that the Crying Child / Bite Victim's name was Gregory Afton? Maybe all the hints in SB are not to tell us that he's literally connected, but just that they share the same name and if we were wondering what the Bite Victim's name is, then here it is? To me "Mike and Greg" seems like a reasonable pair of names for a pair of brothers. It would make sense to me, given that Scott is an American, that he'd give his British Villain's children names that have a formal long-form and an informal/casual nickname. Growing up with a Norwegian Grandfather, Americans were always trying to shorten his name and he culturally couldn't get the temptation to do so. In the survival log book and other places, we see evidence that Michael Afton likes to put his name down as Mike. Elizabeth is another name that can be shorten, too.
@duncanharrell5009
@duncanharrell5009 8 ай бұрын
I never thought of that connection with names! That’s genius.
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 8 ай бұрын
Oh man, the Diary of a Wimpy Kid's fans are going to have a field's day if C.C.'s name is Greg. ☠️
@viviennemorgan7217
@viviennemorgan7217 7 ай бұрын
but if cc is gregory, than we would see him survive the bite on the head.
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 8 ай бұрын
I am now looking at the desktop and just realized the organization for FNaF games is in a timeline sense
@WalterUndergo
@WalterUndergo 8 ай бұрын
And G mod is canon to fnaf too. It all makes sense.
@thekingmrturtle
@thekingmrturtle 7 ай бұрын
Giraffe Town the best timeline.
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 7 ай бұрын
You two are hilarious
@Cd62004
@Cd62004 8 ай бұрын
I will say 17 minutes in when you said that the books didn't help him predict Michael is foxy bro I think you got confused which is admittedly his fault because he was talking about the novels at first but I think he was trying to say the logbook helped him with that one
@historynerd5728
@historynerd5728 8 ай бұрын
"im trying to say this in a way without calling you a dumb bitch" Im rolling 😂
@jdrupt6614
@jdrupt6614 4 ай бұрын
Yup, and the fact that you guys don't realize that Sire is just being a toxic person for absolutely no reason baffles me. Theres a big difference between criticism, and just spreading hate
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 8 ай бұрын
I feel like you can make an easy joke that robot kids been a thing since FNaF 2 with BB but eh
@Dav458
@Dav458 8 ай бұрын
I think on the Foxy bro one,he's saying that the books (Fazbear Frights 4 step closer) helped him solve Mikebro,cause other wise,that wouldn't make much sense Also,refresh my memory,didn't the twisted ones book help us solve that the underground facility is in the Afton household or am I mistaken?
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 8 ай бұрын
Yes, but that came out after sister location.
@mrhalfsaid1389
@mrhalfsaid1389 8 ай бұрын
My main complaint of this video is just wether intentionally or not matpat and the crew did not take into consideration that for about six and a half minuites that they're sounding an awful lot like a hypocrite on the closed minded argument, mainly from the GreG bOt iS RigHT, its just prooving a lot of reasons why the community at large hate these theories. Because theres a complete lack of devil's advocate or different perspectives on theories it just leads to many getting overly frustrated with the odd ways that the team takes the story, like the "two options" approach, thats my main issue with mat and im sure im not alone
@Shinobin333
@Shinobin333 8 ай бұрын
BTW MatPat knows about NoName NotAtAll since it was in the questionaire about your favorite theorist
@nwbula
@nwbula 8 ай бұрын
Just wanna say I really appreciate you trying to be more polite in recent months. Your content is much better for it.
@BR-tf9gg
@BR-tf9gg 8 ай бұрын
As the leader of the community the second half of the video was really good, but it should've been the video. I think with his position in the community he does get the bulk of the dumb insults drawn to him, and it heavily drowns out the good constructive criticism because seeing the dumb comments makes it very discouraging to go looking especially after over a decade, and it's easier to laugh things off using the memes as a representation of consensus to tackle. It's frustrating but it's what larger creators face. On the bright side being a smaller creator also means you get a higher proportion of good faith comments to engage with! Hope you get acknowledged one day! Your most recent video on Cassidy was fabulous, hope it does well enough to boost you up more.
@dropyourself
@dropyourself 8 ай бұрын
I love how you call him the Greg bot guy and then he spends a third of the video defending Greg bot.
@dropyourself
@dropyourself 8 ай бұрын
My favorite evidence is a cover of a book.
@reallyoriginalname1221
@reallyoriginalname1221 8 ай бұрын
It wouldn't be the dumbest thing offically seen as evidence. Nor the biggest retconned like what may happen
@Eric_I_Guess
@Eric_I_Guess 8 ай бұрын
Also I know this is not the biggest point of the video, but the Myers Brigg test has been largely discredited so making a big point of personality types is a lil weird IMO
@willtheboredguy3556
@willtheboredguy3556 8 ай бұрын
Just wanna say that, as a psychology student, the Myers-Briggs personality test is basically worthless. It means nothing. It has about as much validity as "which cheese are you" Buzzfeed quizzes. This is mainly due to how subjective the categories are and how it is structured. However, since it is used in schools and is very popular, it has been treated like a serious resource that can tell you how someone things and feels. This applies to most "personality quizzes", they are all garbage. This also means that the whole section about it is basically padding.
@starfishsicko
@starfishsicko 8 ай бұрын
Youd think a guy like matt would have thicker skin at this point.
@WallNutBreaker524
@WallNutBreaker524 7 ай бұрын
17:39 While you're basically dividing the books by Era, Mat is using ALL the books from past to present I think. Shows the difference between you two I think. Mat uses all to create his theories, while you divide them by dates.
@Carpe_Noctum20
@Carpe_Noctum20 8 ай бұрын
Just starting to watch this, haven’t even watched the original video on GT, so figured it’ll be a good watch along lol, however going into this video with the 4 mins I’ve watched already and basing it off the title, some of my biggest problems with a lot of FNAF theories, MatPat’s in particular, are the bait titles, “I SOLVED FNAF” etc etc, it genuinely makes my eyes roll as it’s claimed every video now, and, as it was said here, the misinformation and lack of research at times - you mentioned the misinformation, but there’s also the lack of basic research, the biggest one that comes to mind was his claim that golden Freddy wasn’t real, as there was no proof of Fredbear’s existence post FNAF 4 or something? When if he looked at the SL safe room, there was an obvious counter to that through the Fredbear plush. But hey, let’s see the rest of the video before I write even more lmao.
@goldenpawn6194
@goldenpawn6194 8 ай бұрын
As an S I feel discriminated in the fnaf fan base. All jokes aside great video as always
@TheLogicist
@TheLogicist 8 ай бұрын
About the AR Monty plush being hard to look at it's actually the first AR object you can collect. Hence why it's the only one Cassie claims "is hard to look at".
@vincentmorris8431
@vincentmorris8431 8 ай бұрын
That one is generally what I get out of the plush description. Or perhaps Cassie's just not a huge Monty fan. Obviously she loves Roxy and has a couple sympathetic moments towards Chica, though not much on Monty
@XD-yn6hb
@XD-yn6hb 8 ай бұрын
Also, even if you think it’s somehow related to Bonnie, of course someone is gonna be missing one of their favorite characters when a replacement comes along. Of course the replacement will be hard to look at no matter what the replacement did.
@titan7789
@titan7789 8 ай бұрын
Monty is also the animatronic in the worst state out of everyone, so maybe that's why it's hard to look at?
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 8 ай бұрын
She did also just get attacked by him if I recall, might make it hard to look at first.
@ciciinho3968
@ciciinho3968 8 ай бұрын
matthew patthew is self-conscious and he is MAD
@Crystal-pro-2024
@Crystal-pro-2024 7 ай бұрын
wanna hear something funny? the brazil ending got rid of the freddy ice cream while keeping vanessa's mint. they showed they could keep it the same, but they didn't. the brazil ending clearly takes from princess quest as there is no other ending where vanessa would be with gregory, so it's an intentional change. his chart has less evidence going for it.
@joannochman8594
@joannochman8594 8 ай бұрын
I think criticism is fair on both sides while I do believe the video he put out seems to deflect a little more than he should I don’t think he’s necessarily talking about constructive criticisms. He seems to really just have a problem with the people who are completely negative about the theories that people are putting out which is understandable. This entire situation seems to be getting blown out of proportion, these are, at the bottom line theories about a fake universe that is about haunted robots. A lot of people are taking these too seriously at this point in my opinion.
@WiseKayeoss
@WiseKayeoss 8 ай бұрын
it feels like hes treating others theories like hes trying to finish the counterpoint paragraph of a middleschool arguementative essay, using the weakest points to try and disprove that whole side.
@lucasmclaughlin
@lucasmclaughlin 8 ай бұрын
i like matpat even though his theories do overlook a LOT of things especially lately, but he also spent WAY too much time talking about the myers’s-briggs test which is super funny cause it’s like well known to be relatively unscientific even though it’s fun to see loosely to see what you MIGHT partially be. thought i’d point that out.
@sakrai36
@sakrai36 8 ай бұрын
It was never about the test, just the division between the way people absorb information.
@jpcsdutra
@jpcsdutra 8 ай бұрын
The test itself is ok "science" wise if you need to group people in a few arbitrary psychological camps and it does its job well at that. It's only unscientific in the sense that people have been using it like astrology, defacto explanations for human behaviour and "literally me" memes.
@almightykellus2585
@almightykellus2585 8 ай бұрын
​@@jpcsdutraAnd also in the way that its original intention was to scientifically prove white people being "superior"
@jpcsdutra
@jpcsdutra 8 ай бұрын
@@almightykellus2585 I went to look it up... and that is kind of a gross generalization. Thing is old and probably made by racists, sure, but so are IQ tests (something else that hasn't lost validity as much as people have been understanding that it isn't a goal or be-all end-all) and a lot of genetics was discovered for eugenic purposes. Bad people discover valid things all the time, specially during war times. Psychology itself, if you're looking through Freud alone, is highly sexist if you don't choose to interpret it or used revised versions of his work. The original 40's version of the test was made by women to help other war time women to find jobs; was based on Jungian psychology exclusively and has been refined for more than 40 years after being criticized for methodology. A quick google search points to a paywalled medium article (that anyone can write) and a poorly written Vox article (like really poorly written, its argument of "it's not good because it uses binary questioning" comes literally right before its argument of "it's not good because the spectrum of results changes over time with people" so literally the opposite of a binary, if it is a mutable spectrum dealing with percentages. Also "it's being used to hire people" is also a "if it is it isn't a fault of the method itself" because as MatPat put it himself in the video "It's not like you can screen for that", like, you literally can't demand it, and if a company does, its more or less their error, and not the thing in particular. ... but I also found an article on Psychology Today, by a PhD in 2020, saying that it's probably chill and if anything it needs more testing because they haven't really been done since the late 80s. tl;dr: About as much as anything made around 100 years ago; it was more a type-casting tool for women in the 40's than race but that's kind of inseparable, specially in the US. It's still kind of ok, companies shouldn't use it though.
@apineapple3177
@apineapple3177 8 ай бұрын
Gregbot part is hypocritical he is complaining about people boiling down what he says when he is doing the same thing he is boiling down all arguments against Gregbot as just Cherry picked comments or pretending like it doesn’t exist
@arlo9754
@arlo9754 8 ай бұрын
i really watched 1 hour and 39 minutes for a regular bye, but ig it's good to go back to the basics every once in a while, wouldn't want to forget where we came from after all jokes aside, it was nice to just listen to you talking for 15 minutes or so at the end there
@therealharshlycritical
@therealharshlycritical 8 ай бұрын
Fuhnaff flipping out on you about that video will not never not be funny to me.😂😂😂😂
@Zeox95
@Zeox95 8 ай бұрын
What? explain
@superlemonslicer1224
@superlemonslicer1224 8 ай бұрын
Wait what
@Takejiro24
@Takejiro24 8 ай бұрын
🤨
@therealharshlycritical
@therealharshlycritical 8 ай бұрын
@@Zeox95 he made a video about midnight motorist laughing at how bad fuhnaff's theory was. And dude came to the video and wigged out. And to be fair it was lighthearted jabs fuhnaff however took the shit super personally
@Zeox95
@Zeox95 8 ай бұрын
@@therealharshlycritical oh thanks for the explanation👌
@lieeeleeee
@lieeeleeee 8 ай бұрын
I agree so much that as an audience running with one thing is so incredibly frustrating. Like I like fuhnaff but I’m just sick of theories that build upon one another like at this point I don’t remember any of the evidence or the actual baby mimic theories. And matpats “the story is trying to tell us about ai and the main theme is always ai” is also so frustrating as soemthing constantly repeated (especially when like you I prefer to focus on characters and themes than plot because analysing fnaf like a proper piece of media and not a puzzle is more fun) And like despite the shear amount of theories rye puts out at least they talk about everything and anything whilst still being somewhat consistent in their underlying beliefs about things
@azrienstewartenasen1508
@azrienstewartenasen1508 8 ай бұрын
you can respect theorists you like but don't try to discredit other theorists because after all, it's all just a theory in the end
@common_skeleton
@common_skeleton 8 ай бұрын
What if the frights books are in universe books? Whatever happened to the company that owned Fazbear Fright in FNaF 3? What if it is someone on the inside influencing the stories that go out in order to give the general public an idea of the truth. That would explain why stories like Man in Room 1280, Step Closer, and Going Home have such strong parallels/accurate information without being directly canon. I’m sure something contradicts this, just a thought I had.
@common_skeleton
@common_skeleton 8 ай бұрын
Where FE is a the FNaF universe version of Showbiz, maybe Frights is the in universe version of Goosebumps
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 8 ай бұрын
that's actually the next video
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 8 ай бұрын
So fazbear employees are weirdos who write fanfics that has mpeg and springtrap in it?!
@common_skeleton
@common_skeleton 8 ай бұрын
@@Wizardjones69 based on how FE fans are characterized in FNaF 3 + how real Fnaf fans are + my familiarity with the real life Showbiz and CeC fandoms…. Absolutely they would
@adriankuban3134
@adriankuban3134 7 ай бұрын
​@@siresquawksGood and Great Game adaptations are for example: Mortal Combat, Cyberpunk, Last of us, Dota, Castlevania, Sonic, Super Mario, Pokemon. Perfect Movie/Game: Alien Isolation, Detroid become Human, Until Dawn, Vader Immortal VR, Jedi Fallen order and Jedi Survivor. Arcane/League of Legends 3 Books, all charakters Stories with 20 comics is around 25 books. Fnaf is here 9 years it has 25 books, 14 games and This year is year of Fnaf. #In my option Fnaf movie is one of Best Adaptations from Games.
@thekingslayer2178
@thekingslayer2178 8 ай бұрын
I really can’t stand how smug he is, it’s unwatchable. I think the reason a lot of criticism gets thrown at MatPat is because of his attitude about his theories. Where you’ll say “I don’t know if this theory is true but I’m putting it out there for people to chew on,” he says shit like “I have SOLVED Ruin and you guys aren’t gonna like the answer!” Or how RyeToast will go into a theory literally saying he doesn’t believe it while MatPat defends incorrect theories for MONTHS afterward. I do genuinely think Scott got ideas, or at least some sense of what the FNAF community liked to see, from MatPat. MatPat has been the FNAF gospel for most of the series’ lifespan, he’s coping so hard with the fact that he isn’t essentially the head writer anymore.
@ibraahimdureng7482
@ibraahimdureng7482 8 ай бұрын
I disagree
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly 4 ай бұрын
Months and years. I think this is the crux of the problem, because so many people watch his videos and believe whatever he says. So the fandom ends up even more confused and misinformed.
@WallNutBreaker524
@WallNutBreaker524 7 ай бұрын
24:50 Mats pointing that meme out specifically because that's the Gateway to dissenting opinions, first make fun of Matpat and his theories, then challenge his theories. It's part and dare I say the face of the hate against matpat like sans is ness.
@SkeldarkUmbras
@SkeldarkUmbras 8 ай бұрын
yeah a lot of theorist seem to have like some sorta anchor in theories. now I gotta Phone a Friend to figure out what i am usually Focused on. May edit this comment after finishing the video. Edit 1: yeah, predicting Charlie possessing the puppet had zero clues to it as we never see Charlie in the books (i got all the books in one go and forgot what silver eyes books were released at the time.) do anything resembling Give Gifts Give Life. let alone Puppet not existing in silver eyes and the save "Save him" in Take Cake To the Children minigame. no way would Charlie fit given the Criteria's given. (unless her android Body counts as a Puppet for the Agony controlling her?) Edit 2: yeah the first part of that wall code seemed way to oddly specific, still don't know what to make of it myself and its infuriating, Who in the fnaf Universe has that Kind of foresight and why write it in a language that practically does nothing to prevent the Mimic from reading it .
@DecoderWalrus
@DecoderWalrus 8 ай бұрын
Sire Squawks, you're great, next time you make a react video like this can you put matpat's volume up? Or your volume down? I have to keep changing the volume on my end every 30 seconds.
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 8 ай бұрын
Sorry, it’s hard to test stuff on the fly. I thought it sounded fine, but without stopping the recording consistently and relistening to the audio it’s hard to tell the balancing sometimes.
@Harlez
@Harlez 8 ай бұрын
Yeah, I have this issue on, without exception, every video of this format on fnaftube
@DecoderWalrus
@DecoderWalrus 8 ай бұрын
sure, I understand that. Politely as I could I wanted to let you know for future content, for both yours and the fans' sake@@siresquawks
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 8 ай бұрын
​@siresquawks I do believe there are ways to separate the audios so you can just bump his audio up or yours down during editing. Could be wrong of course but I think markiplier does that when recording.
@gymleadernick2232
@gymleadernick2232 8 ай бұрын
Yay another sqawks rant.
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly 4 ай бұрын
I part of the problem here is that so many theories aren't theories. They're hypotheticals. MatPat presents them as if they're true, and a huge parts of his viewers assume the same. I think there would be a lot less backlash if people presented their ideas with "what if?"
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 8 ай бұрын
He is saying Phone Guy is Purple Guy because “he’s the only one who knows how springlocks suits and safe rooms work”, I would know because I decided to do what I suggested on your server and it was torture
@jeremymorris345
@jeremymorris345 8 ай бұрын
I mentioned you in the list of FNAF KZfaqrs I watch for the Matpat interview thing so maybe one day he will take notice. Keep up the good work.
@elfimoth3807
@elfimoth3807 8 ай бұрын
Honestly I watch quite a few FNAF theorists so I take everything with a grain of salt mats recent theories haven't bothered me because they are.just his interpretation. Sure I'd love to get some other ideas on how things could work but game theory isn't just a fnaf channel and despite it.being one of their most popular things they cant just do FNAF stuff so they say where they stand and I'm okay with that I just watch others for further context and new opinions. Also Matt's theories tend to point out interesting things that make me want to look further into them. So yeah I don't think Matt is wrong to be a little spicy here until everything lines up somehow all any FNAF theorists can do is present different theories and sometimes those theories are crazy as heck
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 8 ай бұрын
Fnaf I mostly just listen to, but i can tell you about his persona theory. He got so many things wrong when that video came out, not only did he make community memes from it, he also made me realize that he's lost his way as a theorist. It's different if it was just a spicy take, and maybe some basic info wrong, but even basic information was off in that one by a landslide. All his videos in relation to old times has experts in the field correcting him hard-core on like every one of them. Spicy takes is one thing, but ignoring basic information is another. This isn't to hate on mat pat, I think it's simply he lost what his channel was about, a gut interested in making theories.
@mbot1901
@mbot1901 8 ай бұрын
@@ForgedinPrint I would have to disagree with this take here, I think he's still a guy interested in making theories and analyzing content he enjoys, it's just that the focus of his theories have shifted a bit, you can tell that a lot his older videos with inaccuracies in them are about topics he typically doesn't interact with often, and a lot of them were made before or during the time when his team began to grow and was able to conduct research more efficiently. I think it's unreasonable to hold him to such a high standard to expect him to get all of the information correct about every topic, even the ones he and his audience are less interested in. He has a schedule, he's a busy guy, and while things are bound to slip through the cracks from time to time he and his team still spend a crazy amount of effort on all of his videos, which bear in mind he uploads very consistently. Plus this type of error is less likely to happen the more people join the team who can do more research in less time, so I think the man deserves some slack. Yeah he's absolutely made some stupid mistakes in the past, but they're not nearly enough for me to claim he "lost his way", in fact I think for most topics his more casual style of theory fits his channel and style better (even though I prefer the more in depth prediction based theories).
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 6 ай бұрын
@mbot1901 I wasn't expecting him to get all the info correct, in fact I was quite forgiving when he didn't understand how shadows and personas actually work, since that is a bit complex from the outside. I barely remember anything from his persona theory, but I do remember he mixed up a critical character (Margaret, not Elizabeth, who doesn't even make an appearance in 4 and the family doesn't meet an any mainline (yeah they meet in q, arena games, kinda in the dancing games. Still pretty hard to mess that one up). Ok fine, messing up a name is one thing, but shadiversity, a guy who doesn't really like to comment on others, had to debunk his shield video because it didn't show even half of what a shield could actually do. Metatron hates him for how much he gets wrong, lockstein and gnoggin literally made a series and so on. Like I said, no hate on the guy, but he uses evidence to support theory, not form theory around evidence. Back in the day, he used to correct himself, which would have been and still would be enough. Nowadays he treats literally everything he says as correct anymore.
@mbot1901
@mbot1901 6 ай бұрын
@@ForgedinPrint I don't think he treats everything he says as true, he just doesn't publicly correct himself anymore, which isn't great but it doesn't mean he thinks he is 100% right all the time
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 6 ай бұрын
@@mbot1901 There is an air of confidence in his theories, and the way he presents them, that shows his confidence in his theories to an undeserved extreme. In one of his videos he even takes a jab at scott for being predictible. That is something no theoriest should ever do. Yes, there should be some level of confidence when one makes a theory, however you shouldn't just ignore it when others correct you, and don't just treat them as "haters". With his audience size and his confidence, it makes many belive his word is gospel and that means any theory, even if it's compelling and later proved to be correct, to be a massive target from his fanbase. With as big of an audience as he has, one should be careful of how they phrase anything. Whether or not he wants to admit it, he is at a size that can do some damage even unintentionally. To put this in perspective, when metatron (expert in medieval stuff to simplify it) corrected mat pat on his vikings v knights v samurai, his likes only outnumbered the dislikes by 13 times. Sounds like a lot but his average like to dislike is closer to 900 times difference, likes of course outnumbering dislikes. A well respected expert correcting a game theory guy on his field of expertise and thta is what receives a lot of dislikes. That is one danger of always showing confidence. A lot of people mostly just want him to at least point out he can be wrong from time to time, and to be fair when he accidentally unleashed his fan base on a small utah town he did own up to that one. Any other time and he acts like he is always correct, which can be dangerous with the level of reach he has.
@ScapeVEVO
@ScapeVEVO 8 ай бұрын
I think your contributions to the FNAF theory field would be vast, I do always find it a shame when you aren’t included in the discussions the team has, but no use fretting on it right? I always enjoy coming back to hear your corner of the room anyway, as far as I’m concerned, when I think of Rye or ID, I think of you too 💪
@MyrickInc
@MyrickInc 7 ай бұрын
I like how on your desktop all fnaf games placed in timeline order thats just really cute
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 7 ай бұрын
With giraffe town and Kerbal space program in there too.
@jpcsdutra
@jpcsdutra 8 ай бұрын
I like MatPat. He's very smart, he shows it off a lot more on GTLive and when he has live talks and things like that. He legit does remember A LOT out of the top of his head, he makes pertinent connections, his takes aren't the worst, and honestly he has had great theories on things. I also know that even though he probably makes enough to chill out, he runs a lot of his company even after selling it, has 5 successful channels and still is a husband and a father. He is overworked to the bone and it might either take a tool on his ability to double check things or write episodes on his own on the way he wants to. I have nothing but respect for him because he absolutely is a role model at the very least on work ethics. ... I don't like most of this video of his though. It's kinda late, kinda weak, and kinda deflective. Like, it's not a defense or a debunk, it is a deflection. It's a video about showing someone stepped on his toes and it hurt, and this video is the closest he'll come from swearing instead of telling you why you should take care about where you step or why it was a bad thing that you hurt him; even though this was shot, edited and probably scripted, most of it is as much of a ramble as he will do without doing it live. It's a lot of "well if you're doing it, I can do it too so leave me alone" and it rubs me off the wrong way. When you were talking about "style" of different theorist channels, what I see is mainly 2 things. First is a sunken cost falacy. As in "I've put so much energy into this that I have to keep doing it until it gives me the return I want out of it". Mat does it with Gregbot in specific, but he also does with a couple more abstract things like cyclical return of characters metaphorically or not. John does it a lot with Baby. Notrealname does it a lot with her dislike of where they took Baby, so on and so forth. The second one is a falacy on built repertoire, or something akin to a domino effect. If you are convinced that step 1 is up instead of down, it ultimately derails your conclusion into something that might be very wrong or mildly close to right but not quite, and you'd never be the wiser because it was such a basic thing that you did so long ago. Because FNAF is WAAAAAAY too long of a mistery, most people will have fallen into either trap or both at some point. There's either some minor things you've gotten wrong but now you're so far along your "assumption building" that you're not going to change it, or so much of your headcanons depends on one of your hot takes that you're not going to chance it willingly because you want it to pay off. While I think the second half of the video is an interesting insight on how people's brains can work, at the same time it is also a deflection of "oh, I can't be wrong, you just don't agree with me because you can't agree with me" I think Matpat is coming down with some burnout which is fine and valid, it's ok and it happens to everyone. I also think he has some burnout of this franchise, which he hasn't left alone since it debuted while most people either are just arriving or don't make a livelyhood out of it. There's no easy solution that doesn't increase his work load or focus on this franchise and I don't think anyone wants either. What I will say, is that his GTLives (all jokes about video lenght aside) where he analyses the things ID's and John had to theorise are some of the best content he has on FNAF exactly because he is very good at being analytical, about theory crafting and being perceptive. He could legit sit back and be a scrutinezer of other people's content, but even that is a double edged sword because he's a much larger channel and most people would see that as "punching down" if it was some actual form of content if he explored it. I think my conclusion is that people need to take themselves and theories less seriously and that Mat needs a break from analog horror and spooky games.
@azrienstewartenasen1508
@azrienstewartenasen1508 8 ай бұрын
you're just saying that matpat is falling off just like one of the haters mentioned in the video. clearly, you are one of the haters too. please leave the fnaf community.
@smt64productions40
@smt64productions40 8 ай бұрын
Glamrock Freddy seems more orange but the I agree with your take on the icicle pop
@jsostick
@jsostick 8 ай бұрын
This GT video is basically, SEE, SEE I'm not wrong, I'm smart !!!!🤓
@ibraahimdureng7482
@ibraahimdureng7482 8 ай бұрын
Not really it’s more just making of dumb KZfaq comments
@Shrekinspace
@Shrekinspace 8 ай бұрын
haven’t watched your reaction but this video really annoyed me. a lot of this just felt like mat pat saying “you just don’t get it bro, my evidence is actually really good, you just don’t have the right personality type (???)” instead of addressing any actual criticisms
@Shrekinspace
@Shrekinspace 8 ай бұрын
also, “we’re not the close minded ones!” *proceeds to ignore any actual counter arguments*
@krackkokichi
@krackkokichi 8 ай бұрын
as a big fan of the books, ive found that matpat has a history of misrepresenting them, so it's incredibly frustrating for him to make a video ignoring people's legitimate criticisms. he has a huge audience, and a lot of people don't read the books, so he should be more careful with what he says (also i love how with gregbot he always brings up the static vision but ignores the starry vision when moon comes out, which to me implies that its just an aesthetic feature and not theory foddet)
@ImmortalAbsol
@ImmortalAbsol 8 ай бұрын
6:20 I think this might be in part because his theories are written, edited and released as a series and you have to wait until the next batch so to speak for any of those concerns to be addressed.
@KumihoMahao
@KumihoMahao 8 ай бұрын
I saw that Uno installed Squawks, when are you going to do an Uno Let's Play with fans, Squawks? 😈
@siresquawks
@siresquawks 8 ай бұрын
Who knows
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 8 ай бұрын
​@@siresquawks1 hour of checking all the details in the foot of mimic and burntrap model lol
@solairedude7119
@solairedude7119 8 ай бұрын
You know it's gonna be one of those Matpat videos when he "addresses" critcism.
@azrienstewartenasen1508
@azrienstewartenasen1508 8 ай бұрын
he did not adress critcism, he adressed the absolute massive hate he is getting. why tf are every critics and theorists feeling like they are called out even though they're not the target of the video.
@majesty_viry
@majesty_viry 8 ай бұрын
i can hear it
@niickrambosr.7076
@niickrambosr.7076 8 ай бұрын
“Maybe it’s one I’m not the theorists so idk how it works” sounds like it
@grimace9670
@grimace9670 8 ай бұрын
I think the stuff about matpat showing the evidence for gregbot wasn’t to shove it down your throat or anything I think he was just explaining even more absurd and decisive theories are made with evidence just like others it’s just the interpretation that might be different and that shouldn’t be treated with such hostility as they often are these days
@1gengabe
@1gengabe 8 ай бұрын
Rye toast makes up names and stuff for stuff on the spot, like naming the crying child and calling him that name in videos where it was not declared that the name is for the crying child, this is a bad practice and quite a few of his theories cover it, as far as mat pats S type thinking goes, I am intuitive, thanks matpat for making me need to clarify that now
@lewstherintelescope
@lewstherintelescope 8 ай бұрын
Mentioned your name in the survey Game Theory did, so hey, maybe they'll learn who you are eventually! 😂 I think Matt's video would be stronger if he left out a lot of the sections about his own theories. It messes with the pacing, as you say, and it's going to distract from the broader point he was making because replies will focus on trying to debunk GregBot or whatever instead of the rest of the video.
@bathilra5364
@bathilra5364 8 ай бұрын
i want a video analysizing the data
@kaitbw7211
@kaitbw7211 8 ай бұрын
I wish Matpat really did cut out the Gregbot section the video would've been amazing otherwise
@sirdrake1857
@sirdrake1857 8 ай бұрын
You described some of my problems very well, but to add onto that, I think his Mario is Evil example is a microcosm of everything I think goes wrong He explains that Mario is Evil is "of course wrong, but if you take the little bits and connect them, you get Mario is Evil". He is literally describing cherrypicking to get a conclusion and goes on with the video as if that wasn't wrong at all and that bothers me so much
@huggabletrubbish
@huggabletrubbish 8 ай бұрын
TBH, Mario is a very different franchise, he makes a dumb theory about Mario that's blatantly false, no one cares, cause Mario has no hidden lore. If he does the same thing with fnaf, which has hidden lore, it's more... IDK serious? IDK if that's the right word.
@sirdrake1857
@sirdrake1857 8 ай бұрын
@@huggabletrubbish I disagree, Mario has lore, it's just that it's rare people look for it. And dumb or not, most insufferable takes on Mario comes from that video alone, so it still had its impact (and also makes it a bad *theory* if it was just a joke yet treated it as a serious theory)
@huggabletrubbish
@huggabletrubbish 8 ай бұрын
@@sirdrake1857 my point is, Matpat's older style of putting a random wild statement on the thumbnail and then working back to prove it doesn't work for fnaf. And I have never seen a single person care about Mario lore enough to get mad over a stupid Matpat theory.
@sirdrake1857
@sirdrake1857 8 ай бұрын
@@huggabletrubbish well I'll tell you what, there are many people who complain about it, me included. I'm fine with it in the sense that it's obviously not an actual theory, but I do think it sucks that it permanently changed how some people view the character "because Matpat said it" And yeah, it doesn't work with FNAF becuase it doesn't work for theorycrafting in general: you don't start your theory by your conclusion, you see where the evidence lead you
@Wizardjones69
@Wizardjones69 8 ай бұрын
I think that people never played mario rpgs to say that mario has no interesting lore xd
@Shift_Salt
@Shift_Salt 4 ай бұрын
Second half of Mat's video here really coulda been in it's own whole discussion, and probably shoulda been, from the gregbot atuff entirely.
@apineapple3177
@apineapple3177 8 ай бұрын
The reason why The label of set in World of the news games still stands is because somebody emailed scholastic and they confirmed that label still stands
@SallyGrim
@SallyGrim 8 ай бұрын
Yeah I've found I much prefer creators like you who focus on a particular thing and provide explanation and new ideas. I don't mind Game Theory, it's entertaining enough, but I generally find that the less you know about the topic being covered the more you will enjoy their videos. So unfortunately as someone who has consumed far too much fnaf and has a psychology degree, this latest GT video is not it for me.
@Mel-yl8fv
@Mel-yl8fv 8 ай бұрын
Matpat honestly sounds like he's throwing anything at the wall in this video which leads to everything being a mess.
@JustABroom
@JustABroom 8 ай бұрын
Matpat is being pretty hyperbolic, as you said he's using the meme argument as the actual argument as opposed to actual evidence, like his whole rant can be debunked with thematic and game design for the gregbot section, you can say he's not LITERALLY the crying child, but thematically the two are connected, they look similar for a reason, whether it be Mimic/Burntrap/Glitchtrap wanting a kid who looked like Afton's kid or just cause it parallels the crying child, so many of Mat's theories take things too literally, and instead of addressing that he dumbs down the argument to a single image. Like, I feel like if he just talked about how toxic many fans are being (they are, people act like he killed their family for making a bad fnaf theory), and how you SHOULD respond to a theory instead of coping about people memeing about his theories, this video would be a lot better.
@johnman8398
@johnman8398 8 ай бұрын
The thing is with the meme argument is that a lot of people have taken that seriously, and just boil down his argument to solely just that image and act like that is his sole reason for his theory. It's not just cope a lot of people like to cherry pick one especially weak point in his theories and ignore the rest of what he's saying.
@JustABroom
@JustABroom 8 ай бұрын
@@johnman8398 I agree people do, but they should be ignored since that's not an actual argument, at most he should point out how stupid it is then try to counter ACTUAL stuff that goes against his theories like Gregbot instead of just ignoring them and going after stupid arguments that can easily be disproved. If he cut that section down as a lot of people were saying, it would be fine, but to spend so much time on something inconsequential at best is just odd.
@erichiggins3092
@erichiggins3092 8 ай бұрын
The whole idea of “just ignore it” is not a realistic mindset. For a channel that size it is impossible to ignore the rude and useless comments, while reading the constructive criticism ones. This is especially true when MatPat gets on trending everytime he publishes a FNAF video. Hell, even Fuhnaff had to take a break from stuff a few months ago from meaningless hate.
@A_Surpluss_of_Stupidity
@A_Surpluss_of_Stupidity 8 ай бұрын
8:49 matpat missing out
@lieeeleeee
@lieeeleeee 8 ай бұрын
The thesis of mats video should have been don’t send theorists hate if you don’t like their theories not “don’t send me hate because all of my theories are actually right” which is what it comes off as. Like I think matt is trying to do a good thing for everyone but he really has not gone about it in a way that is at all helpful
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 8 ай бұрын
Ironically I don't think he actually thinks about how he says things. Good person at the end of the day but he does do things like accidentally sending a call mob at a small town.
@azrienstewartenasen1508
@azrienstewartenasen1508 8 ай бұрын
@@ForgedinPrint well that "mob" is the one to blame, not matpat. he did not "accidentally" send them all, the mob just do what they think is right (and probably paints matpat in a bad picture too)
@ForgedinPrint
@ForgedinPrint 7 ай бұрын
@@azrienstewartenasen1508 a dude with millions of viewers asked something of his fan base. He should have seen it coming is my point.
@July305
@July305 8 ай бұрын
I completely agree with you throughout this whole video. Its so frustrating trying to figure out often on mats videos
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