It is a settled matter that the SSPX is in schism. Until the SSPX fully receives the reforms of the Second Vatican Council and live in full communion with Holy Mother Church, no theological or canon law gymnastics and media P.R. campaign by SSPX members, sympathetic bishops and media celebrities can rescind the consistent papal judgment that the SSPX is "not in full communion with the Church" (JPII, Ecclesia Dei; BXVI, Ecclesiae Unitatem; and Francis, Traditiones Custodes). In the July 16, 2021 letter accompanying Traditiones Custodes Pope Francis mentions the status of the SSPX going back to JPII: "The faculty - granted by the indult of the Congregation for Divine Worship in 1984 and confirmed by St. John Paul II in the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei in 1988 - was above all motivated by the desire to foster the healing of the SCHISM with the movement of Mons. Lefebvre." The SSPX is in schism. All the Popes from Paul VI to Francis tell people not to attend SSPX because it’s schismatic. Pope Francis himself says SSPX is in schism in his letter accompanying “Traditionis Custodes.” (Please read fully the papal quotes below). 1. Pope Paul VI’s letter to Archbishop Lefebvre on the (schism) withdrawal of canonical recognition from the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) June 29, 1975: ” … Our grief is even greater to note that the decision of the competent authority - although formulated very clearly, and fully justified, it may be said, by your refusal to modify your public and persistent opposition to the Second Vatican Council, to the post-conciliar reforms, and to the orientations to which the Pope himself is committed. ” Finally, the conclusions which [the Commission of Cardinals] proposed to Us, We made all and each of them Ours, and We personally ordered that they be immediately put into force.” Source: PAUL VI, “Lettre de S. S. Le Pape Paul VI a Mgr. Lefebvre,” 29 June 1975, La Documentation Catholique, n. 1689, trans. in M. DAVIES, Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre, p. 113. 2. Pope St. John Paul II on SSPX schism in his Ecclesia Dei Adflicta, February 7, 1988: ” In the present circumstances I wish especially to make an appeal both solemn and heartfelt, paternal and fraternal, to all those who until now have been linked in various ways to the movement of Archbishop Lefebvre, that they may fulfil the grave duty of remaining united to the Vicar of Christ in the unity of the Catholic Church, and of CEASING THEIR SUPPORT IN ANY WAY FOR THAT MOVEMENT. Everyone should be aware that formal ADHERENCE TO THE SCHISM IS A GRAVE OFFENCE AGAINST GOD and carries the penalty of excommunication decreed by the Church’s law.” www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/motu_proprio/documents/hf_jp-ii_motu-proprio_02071988_ecclesia-dei.html 3. Pope Benedict XVI in his Letter to the Bishops dated March 10, 2009:: “The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church. “In order to make this clear once again: UNTIL THE DOCTRINAL QUESTIONS ARE CLARIFIED, THE SOCIETY HAS NO CANONICAL STATUS IN THE CHURCH, and its ministers - even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty - do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church… “This will make it clear that the problems now to be addressed are essentially DOCTRINAL in nature and concern primarily THE ACCEPTANCE OF THE SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL AND THE POST-CONCILIAR MAGISTERIUM OF THE POPES. “The Church’s teaching authority cannot be frozen in the year 1962 - this must be quite clear to the Society. www.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20090310_remissione-scomunica.html 4. Pope Francis did give SSPX the faculty to hear confessions legally and validly, because it does not contradict Canon Law. There have always been exceptional circumstances or instances of necessity in which the Church recognizes as valid and licit the reception of sacraments from priests who may be immoral, schismatic, irreligious, laicized, or even non-Catholic, provided their denominations have sacramental confessions. Canon 844 §2. Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid. Canon 976 Even though a priest lacks the faculty to hear confessions, he absolves validly and licitly any penitents whatsoever in danger of death from any censures and sins, even if an approved priest is present. While Pope Francis’ gesture of mercy shows an important precedent - for the good of souls, the Church has the power to grant faculties even to priests who are not in good standing - it is nevertheless NOT AN APPROVAL OF THEM - not an approval of SSPX, or their situation. 5. Pope Francis in his letter Misericordia et Misera, November 20, 2916: “For the pastoral benefit of these faithful (who attend churches officiated by the SSPX ) and trusting in the good will of their priests to strive with God’s HELP FOR THE RECOVERY OF FULL COMMUNION IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, I have personally decided to extend this faculty beyond the Jubilee Year, until further provisions are made, lest anyone be deprived of the sacramental sign of reconciliation through the Church’s pardon.” www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/apost_letters/documents/papa-francesco-lettera-ap_20161120_misericordia-et-misera.html Very clearly, Pope Francis’ motu proprio shows there is still the need for SSPX “to recover full communion in the Catholic Church.” Therefore, Pope Benedict’s statement on SSPX’s non-canonical status in the Church still stands. 6. Pope Francis’ letter, dated July 16, 2021, that accompanies Traditionis Custodes, specifically mentioning SSPX to be in “schism.” Here’s the 2nd paragraph, fully quoted: “Most people understand the motives that prompted St. John Paul II and Benedict XVI to allow the use of the Roman Missal, promulgated by St. Pius V and edited by St. John XXIII in 1962, for the Eucharistic Sacrifice. The faculty - granted by the indult of the Congregation for Divine Worship in 1984 and confirmed by St. John Paul II in the Motu Proprio Ecclesia Dei in 1988 - was above all MOTIVATED BY THE DESIRE TO FOSTER THE HEALING OF THE SCHISM WITH THE MOVEMENT OF MONS. LEFEBVRE. With the ecclesial intention of restoring the unity of the Church, the Bishops were thus asked to accept with generosity the “just aspirations” of the faithful who requested the use of that Missal.” www.vatican.va/content/francesco/en/motu_proprio/documents/20210716-motu-proprio-traditionis-custodes.html 7. About the SSPX faculty to officiate in Catholic weddings (Letter from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith dated March 27, 2017). It states that with the diocese’s permission, an SSPX priest may officiate in a Catholic wedding but only if there is no diocesan or religious priest available, and the documents must be forwarded to the diocesan curia. It should be remembered, too, that in the sacrament of matrimony, the ministers are the couple themselves. A priest is only there to witness for the Church and receive the couple’s consent. Other than those limited faculties, the sacraments of the SSPX, although valid, are not recognized by the Church because, as Pope Benedict XVI writes, the Society has no canonical status and no legitimate ministry in the Church. 8. Many people, including bishops, who say SSPX is not in schism or has reconciled with the Church, should be able to produce a document similar to Pope John Paul II’s letter welcoming the SSPX in Campos, Brazil (now the Union of St. John Mary Vianney) into the fold, otherwise they should not be believed. Here’s the link to Pope JPII letter: www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=4141

God Bless Michael Davies! God Bless the SSPX for preserving our Catholic liturgy and traditions.. all true faithful Catholics will reach for the real church the further along this end times.

Michael Davies took E. Michael Jones to the woodshed.

I have huge respect for Dr. EMJ, but he was wrong on this issue and Mr. Davies was right. Apparently Dr. EMJ never was interested on this issue again after this debate, he was asked about the SSPX in this recent interview kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ab6hYNKF1ZeUZ5c.html but wasn´t aware about all the updates.

"By their fruits you shall know them." Time has shown that the SSPX is Catholic. They're literally the only post-concillar movement that has vocations.

E Michael Jones refers to his opponent as "Davies." Michael Davies refers to his opponent as "Dr. Jones." The one is impolite. The other is polite and classy. Class wins every time.

Jones lost the debate at minute 35, slam dunk. RIP Mr. Davies 🙏🏻😌

There is no possible competition between Jones and Davies. Michael Davies wins with his arguments, his class , his culture, his superior way to present the facts. I think Jones is massive over estimated

History has shown it was the TLM movement (with B16's assistance) that retained the true faith of our fathers.

Thanks so much, Mr. Davies!! Pray for us!!!🙏🙏🙏

I really like the humility of Michael Davies than the personal attacks by E Michael Jones.

Mr. Davies ran laps around Mr. Jones 🤣

Enjoyed the debate. Both Mr Davies and Mr Jones have been able to open the ears of Catholics.

Michael Davies is a God sent genius...🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽!!!

A measure of the auto demolition of Paul VI.... is that there is no instructive catechism in the schools. There hasn’t been a catechism for children since the last book died out back in the 1960s

The Tridentine Mass has not been destroyed. Vatican 2 didn’t ban or demolish traditionalism. It never ceased to exist and has actually become more popular.

“We’re the wave of the future.” Yep

AMEN!!

Thank you, Mr. Davies! Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre will certainly be one day honoured as a great Saint and Doctor of the Church.

Can’t find part 1.

4:14 Briliant 🤣🤣🤣

Love E. Michael Jones, but Davies mopped the floor with his face on thia debate.

What year was this?

@ 4:55 The Apostle Paul was a subject of the Apostle Peter?? Since when? they were peers!

I'll keep to the FSSP thanks. They are diocesan and in full communion with their Bishop and with Rome while celebrating the Tridentine Mass. It proves that it is possible.

Not a very strong argument: lots of complaints about the present time essentially setting up a justification for being in schism. Lot of pandering to a sympathetic audience.