We need to admit, Uganda before Arabs/Egyptian and European/British, Uganda do not have city but settlement, build with mud and straw/dry grass, and roof with palm or grass. that it. no stone structure, yes British take resource in Africa, before European Sub-saharan do not have city, it just village, and king living in huge hut. in zimbabwe is the same, one wall not like medieval european city or medieval japan, chinese, cambodia, malaya, java, arab, persian and india city, no road, no sewer, no dam, no hospital, no writing script not even adpoted from others example like ethophia take from old south arabian script and modified it to geez. so britsh modernized Uganda, Zimbabwe, South Africa, many old town and city build by British and Dutch. in swahili coast in kenya down to Tazaniania stone city build by Arabs, fort, palace ,city walls and city gates, road, street and house quater, similar to in any arab city in arabia, levant and north africa. portugese also build fort. kilwa ruins build by shirazi arab, intermarried arab and bantu, and perrsian with bantu, but in 1964, all arab be kick out, most all them go to Oman and Uk, others like persian muslim or zororastian, Indian hindu or muslim also be kill and kick out in zanzibar.

Barbary pirates owe us and I won't be happy till I get it so come on hand it over.

@@safuwanfauzi5014 Safuwan, what gives you the right to determine the civilisation of other people? Go have a snooze you fool.

And what countries owe Britain then for taking over them? The Italians? Danes? Norwegians?

Yeah, so civilised and advanced that a tiny nation was able to subjugate it with ease. You're dreaming.

sara meachel Except that's not what's being debated. The motion isn't 'THB The Empire was Bad for the Colonies', which should be all but undisputable, but whether Reparations are the appropriate response to our colonial past.

David Browne yes sir I understand you I really do but I also understand him and I see that both of you mean the same thing ... the new generation is Not responsible for the acts of the past generation and its history now but history is to reflect on objectively and see the things that our ancestors weren't able to see and understand why only to raise enough awareness to not repeat the acts of the past because UK is still very greedy country example is the war it lead on Iraq for no good reason beside money and oil and brought about Iraq's total destruction and misery today. And that's what this man also sees but can't voice clearly. We just should reflect and change attitude toward the world I am not English by the way not even related :)

sara meachel there has been no money made from that war, nor has any oil or any other resources been stolen from their owners. Iraqis have destroyed Iraq , not anyone else.

sara meachel Then he probably should start asking for reparations from Turkey & Saudi Arabia first. The Rashidun & Ottoman spread across sub-saharan Africa long before the West did and certainly did far more damage. Oh but wait, come to think of it...why does nobody talk about the previous empires that appeared before the western powers started dabbling in colonialism? Is it because - gasp - it's easier to target moderate white people for easy money & outrage?

Benyamin Il'Aflehki oh come on ! I would love to go after Turkey's and Saudi's asses but who do you think is protecting these two countries from being fairly judged ?! yes THE WHITE NATIONS ! and the European did far more damage and were far more inhuman in their colonizing

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That’s one of those lazy comments that applies to either side

Just as fine as this one: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/p7ZjeayUqdKWYn0.html

Laughable, that you feel you need to 'gang up'.

Big fucking surprise there, let me guess you or your homeland would benefit. Im sure thats just a coincidence.

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@@the500mphtortoise they're all the same when it comes to reparations. Just looking for a handout as usual.

Accepting or apologizing for the sins is one thing. Paying for the sins of them is just wrong.

@@Split_Beard my views match with Mr Tharoor's. Personally I don't think anything should be given as aid. Both Britain and india are very corrupt to maintain the transperancy...but why Britain refuses to apologise..why they refuse to claim responsibilities of the manufactured famines...the great Britain empire. Why doesn't Britain teach the deteriorating effects of the colonialism

@Kookman oh shut up. Don't you even dare to justify the criminal acts by saying it benefited us. Mr Tharoor has covered all your points. Nothing... absolutely nothing was done for the welfare of Indian people. It was only for themselves. And how arrogant are you to say that colonialism was the only way forward. India was a shining jewel and tremendous amount of 'material' and spiritual wealth as well. Ppl say india missed the bus of industrialization...no, we were thrown under the bus of industrialization so that Britain can get on easily. We were set back atleast half a century just coz of the Britain's actions

Well then, lets go back through your cultural/family history. Find some crime your family/culture committed, and hold you accountable for their actions.Not exactly fair now is it, I left Christianity because of original sin and here you are advocating for that same exact thing. Yes i am proud of their success, and no we owe you nothing, you are owed nothing.

@@v12vanquish you still don’t get it do you? Let’s say I do find someone who’s been wronged by my ancestors...I might not feel accountable and pay them up for the rest of my life, but I sure as hell will humbly bow down and say sorry on behalf of my ancestor. We are asking the same of you...just recognise the atrocities your forefathers have committed and for develop some Goddamn empathy. Just accept and say sorry. That’s all we want. It’s not your wealth, it’s the horror that Britain doesno teach colonial history in their schools and just simply golify everything in their past

Agreed. I absolutely love when he said: "Indeed, 'the son shall not inherit the father's sins.' But it is a shame that these sins cannot be used as financial capital as well, otherwise I'm sure the son would be clamoring for such a request." Such an insightful and well delivered line!

This is true but when it comes to the slave trade of Africa at large, the British mostly traded, the European superpowers powers did not penetrate into Africa until well into the 18th century, while Britain made the engagement of sale and purchase and transport of slaves illegal in the empire in 1807, leading to the abolishment act of slavery of 1833, first taken into effect in Parliament in 1834, would it not also include those who captured and sold the slaves to the Europeans in the first place? And considering that the debt of said act of abolishment was not paid in full until 2015/2016 by the British tax payers, would it not be a bit unfair to impose such a debt upon the empire, and how will the benefits of empire vs disadvantages And how will those be accurately calculated, and can the Europeans nations then also seek reparations for the Barbery Slave trade, could the Europeans then also seek reparations from the descendent providers of the slaves in Africa for faulty merchandise. If this goes into effect when will it stop? Will it ever stop. And what about the Africans and Arabs, who enslaved a far larger number of people then the Europeans but achieved very little on the larger scale of things, will there be reparations sought from them aswell? This will serve as the base for overarching supremacy and entitlement. And it will serve as the base for a racially motivated conflict. Which is exactly the agenda at play. One must keep in mind that during the yrans atlantic slave trade the common European had no rights, were worked to death, impoverished, living in squalor conditions in slums worse then anywhere else in the world, and en masse, and the desire is for the descendents of those lost souls to pay for reparations, even having just finished paying for the abolishment of slavery act of 1833... Is that somehow fair and just? Nothing about that makes the slightest lick of sense and as Thomas Sowell said, had the christians Europeans done as the Muslim counterpart snd neutered their slaves all this would've been avoided... One act of humanity leads to inhumanity which inturn leads to humanity again and so the cycle continues

A dozen families were involved in the slave trade. He provided no evidence africa would be better of without colonialism. Immigrants in the U.K. should be prepared to leave if they want reparations, and they should ask the Arabs and Africans for cash first.

If you can be proud of your ancestor's history then you should also carry the shame of your ancestor's history.

You are although profiting off from the deeds of your ancestors. You have not done anything wrong but if you do not provide reparations on what your ancestors did then you are as guilty. Also, more importantly, if you even do not believe the fact that British does owe reparations then you are as guilty as the oppresors.

@@kashnimago2096 how can u be guilty of something u HAVEN’T done.. your obvs some weird SJW…

@NM 22 Why's that then? Smooth brain.

Yeah in your fecking dreams lol

@@punkndisorderly3324 We shall see.

Great. Fantastic! I want to be yesteryear. I want all the whining ethnics who haven't a clue about how lucky they are to live in the precious jewel that is the west to get "yesteryear" and go explore their paradises back home.

Yeah, and the US is arguably more insidious in its neocolonialism. They give local leaders the impression that they're still sovereign when in fact, they're just puppets getting their strings pulled from afar.

If we gave them money it would be wasted in corruption

Fair statement but in same vein why pay slave masters a compentation; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNidn9Rhz7u-po0.html

Berner.Verner.. wriggling away from reality and the main point, aren't you? Typical. Not taking responsibility, hiding like a coward. It must fit you well given the people you support are also chiefs in stealing and avoiding

@@sidsnot6952 you mean the same corruption as illegally invading and stealing other people's resources ?

You make a valid point, but I’m not sure the group he is addressing sees validity, if it is of an opposing view, as carrying much significance.

***** Truth is bitter. The more you defend, the more it shows your ignorance of the real facts !

***** I'm sure your parents must be really proud of you, now that you talk just like them :D

British empire days are gone friend. Brits are being mocked for their stupidity all over the world. Your current economy is fucked up even after looting money from all the countries. Burglars and thiefs can't thrive on looted money for long. Get life brits.

***** Shut your stinking ass and stop bragging about your evil empire. Criminals have no rights to be proud of their crimes.

***** Your forefathers shamelessly looted various colonies to the tune of billions of dollars.Yet, despite all that money your upbringing and attitude remains shoddy. I guess, as the saying goes - there are somethings that money can't buy. I feel sorry for turds like you ! :D

spot on

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To beat your enemy - master what they do- and do it better

Karan Gandhi Ok, but where to draw the line? Should I, as a Korean, get payed money from Mongolians? And how to calculate the exact amount of money? How to calculate the amount of which an individual has benefited/lost from imperialism?

@@jl9062 U got reparations from Japan

@@INDIAN-yf5zg Sorta, around during the 60s. Not really reparations given to individuals but rather money given from one government to another.

@@INDIAN-yf5zg But if you support that decision, you must also be in raging support for the Mongolians to pay south korea as well; which would fuck over that country.

Because of tort law. A debt cannot be owed by anyone except the debtor. It's obvious that this should be the case, anything else would be an impossible chaos. Read up.

+Will Evans Typical..

Considering the son inherited the wealth of the father the case still stands. Likewise the country has continuity of government with the nation state which perpetrated the slave trade and colonialism

and what wealth have I inherited? deriving from a working-class family my ancestors have been as much a victim of the British ruling classes as your typical sub-altern. why is that I should pay anything from my tax packet, to a cause that my empoverished ancestors played no part in?

should the British government pay reparations to me because of this injustice? this is poor historical practice in nearly every way. your reductive, structuralist perspective is a product of the epistemological hegemony colonialism induced. ironic really, you're using western theoretical tools to criticise colonialism in order to pursue an arguably western materialistic gain. i have a history degree, which i acknowledge provides me with a rudimentary understanding of how the past functions, yet i know enough to say that you have no right to moralise and construct the past to suit your political agenda.

***** Your personal guilt is not the issue, the son in this case is the country itself. The fact remains you live in a nation built on the proceeds of slavery and colonialism. Benefits you have personally received include, but are not limited to: Living in a highly industrialised society, given that the industrial revolution was funded on the slave trade, the sale of sugar in the Caribbean colonies, and the profits from colonialism in India in particular. Living in a state with well established, functioning infrastructure and transport links, strongly linked to the first point. Railways, bridges, trains, roads, all were first built during the colonial era. In fact, if we consider British colonialism to have ended in 1980, with the independence of Zimbabwe, (even though Hong Kong wasn't given back to China until 1999), a vast array of buildings and pieces of infrastructure built before that can be directly linked to British colonial policy. As an aside, Air Travel and the NHS were both established during this era as well. There is also the moral question of restitution considering the millions of colonial troops who fought for Britain in both world wars. In fact in WW2 there were more colonial troops fighting than native British!

Of course

Does Russia owe to the ex-USSR nations? Spain owe to latin america? Mongolia owes Europe and Asia? Where does it start and end

@@meister1955 Yes

@@terrum-c7s No worries I'm 100% on your side

@Amey Tiwari you are right, the others were not colonies, but got it even worse...

For bringing civilisation to the world and ending slavery? I can't wait!

@@Tempestora01 you did the exact opposite actually, ahole. Every native civilization was happy in its own way. Slavery is purely European. You will DEFINITELY pay. Trust me.

@@naiyayika Nice troll comment.

@@naiyayika your mum will pay

You could say the very same about blacks as will. Who do you think Portuguese bought the slaves from in the first place?

Every African leader is a Billionaire.

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Agreed, just like how UK agreed on a model to compensate slave owners; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNidn9Rhz7u-po0.html

As they said, it is not about quantifiable reparations given the fact you cannot put money on people's suffering. It's about recognition of these damaging imperialist illegal invasion and robbery of other people. If there was real quantifiable monetary reparation, Britain would go bankrupt given most of its development is powered by stolen resources.

@@vinay249 Japan was able to industrialise itself after learning from the West, other regions of the world may not have been able to do this.

Listen to what he said, there is difference between slave trade (which you were biggest at) and colonisation (which you were very much part of). You invented colonisation after abolition of slave trade; In same vein why pay slave masters a compentation; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNidn9Rhz7u-po0.html

You ain't getting feck all out of us pal so unlucky lol 😎

Fair statement but in same vein why pay slave masters a compentation; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNidn9Rhz7u-po0.html

Britain and all of the west should leave the UN completely and withdraw from all UN treaties and leave you lot stewing in your own juices.

The UN is a fucking joke.

What

It's a highly biased discourse.

don't. these people can't be reasoned with. As logical as your argument is, they wont hear it. Ive tried, many times.

@NM 22 No. Just showing that the latest group that feels entitled trying to get something for nothing.

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That’s hypocritical.

@@samank8628 How?

You should be supporting him.

that a commentator from Africa/Uganda is a fan of colonialism but likes the speaker arguing against it.

@@samank8628 When did she say she supported colonialism? And if she'd said it, how would it have been hypocritical? You can like stuff about people even if you don't agree with everything they say

Hahaha you’re clearly one of those racist that only looks at things from a Eurocentric lens. Please do a bit of reading mate ;)

@@vinay249 Life expectancy in India was 25.4 in 1800. It's now about 70. And both India & Pakistan still have variations of the UK style of Westminster government. The video isn't about what India has contributed to the world over the last 3000 years, it's about reparations.

​@@vinay249 Do you want to create a myth about a happy India pre British? Britain developed Western press, universities and publishing in India. This is something that the Indian elite ruling class would not have done. Your hero Mr Tharoor is a product of this

man you CLEARLY learned nothing from this debate

@@rexguy7823 India actually gave Greece Democracy..and also China started the stock market...here we go with your fake history

Fair statement but in same vein why pay slave masters a compentation; kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qNidn9Rhz7u-po0.html

They don't need your free citizenship. How condescending. Africa is more resource rich than any continent on the planet. If anything, the Europeans were the ones invading it given that they were running from their barren lands. No one is asking for reparations in monetary scale but the Europeans have simply rigged the global economy in their favour and continue to participate in the internal damage of the continent of Africa. I do not deny that Africans have more work to do to fix this issue.

Shut up

@@ricooo8512 Rico if you watch that video as much as i have you will know that the other people that represented where they students?

@Dumebi Ambrose .. yes I have seen the whole video spoken by the both sides of the argument .. and coming to this video and your question .. it's not about how qualified or senior the speaker is but it's about the content he carries, the roots he represent,the facts and the rational argument he's speaking .. and to me ,this man did pretty well .. and I'd encourage and support even if a 5th grader when he has a strong and concrete points .. got it brother ?

@@ricooo8512 okay point taken, enough said

Because they blame whitey for their problems

Easy to introduce one common language in order to steal from and exploit the people. Introduction of English had no altruistic motive.

really I didn't know this can you point me in the direction of your research much appreciated for your posting I'm stunned

really I didn't know this can you point me in the direction of your research much appreciated thank you for posting I'm stunned

Can you point me in the direction of your research I didn't know this I'm stunned thank you for posting much appreciated

y dont you go with him as his slave .......you son of bitch

Or stunned by his audacity.

They are silent because this man is stupid

your knees would have been shaking just by seeing the whole group sitting there (including the opposition imperialist colonial guys who are still not ashamed and live on STOLEN money son of Bitches)