Stall Training with Gemma - Micro SIV

Stall Training with Gemma - Micro SIV - BANDARRA

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Gemma wanted to get more comfortable with her glider and exploriong the stall point and beyond. So we decided to do a Micro SIV at our favourite dune, always keeping it conservative and one small step at a time.
By the end of it she was getting quite comfortable with stalls and doing them from quite high.
If you chose to try something like this yourself remember to do loads and loads and LOADS of groundhandling first and only do it if you feel you have a super safe location to do it. We do not recommend anyone else doing this.
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@GC987 3 жыл бұрын

Literally ..... I am the human equivalent of that dog - just in front of a laptop rather than on the beach. Nice to see you guys out and about (I have been absent from your channel for too long). Look forward to seeing some nice flights as the season progresses. Have fun ! Thanks.

@handlebullshit 2 жыл бұрын

The dog totally want to tandem. 😍

@nathanbarraud4349 3 жыл бұрын

That's nice! I think it is very important to know where your stall point is, and to feel the wing stalling too ! Have good flights!

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nathan!

@piercelennox2045 2 жыл бұрын

i know I am kind of off topic but does anybody know a good website to watch new series online?

@FUFUFUFPV 2 жыл бұрын

this dog!! you gotta love him XD

@dracovolans319 2 жыл бұрын

Really enjoyed this vid. (I enjoy all of them)

@EVANGEaSCOOT 3 жыл бұрын

Andre and Gemma greetings from Andre Jeff ! Here at the San Clemente Pier everyday, I see a nice BGD, and a couple of Ozone wings on a paramotor doing wing overs And it reminds me of you guys. I broke my hip and the Velocifero scooter in my photo has replaced my chances of flying. I will still be your Jeff. Good video guys very interesting. And yah it's still cold out there. Love yah guys and bless you both.

@jwilliams2000492 3 жыл бұрын

Morning guys!

@Bhaalint 3 жыл бұрын

Good exercise in laminar air but if you try to top land for example and there are some objects in front then when you sink behind them (or if you sink under the lift band) the reduced wind peed (and possibly rotor) can put you in a stall real quick since it will suddenly reduce the wing's airspeed as well. Had a minor accident before because I did not think about that..

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Very true and thanks for sharing. The laminar wind combined with the soft sand and a site we have flown for years are the main reasons why we think we could do it safely step by step. But we didn’t want people to think this is a normal or safe thing to do all the time. In most circumstances it’s very dangerous

@alexpopovics3809 3 жыл бұрын

You guys are my greatest inspiration online. Your mini SIV is brilliant! I love your comprehensive groundhandling course and all your personal support thereafter. It's invaluable to me and my BGD Seed. I'm on my way to my home country in Brazil to do my paragliding course in the high mountains of the Mantiqueira. Obrigado!

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Muito Obrigado Alex! Um prazer!

@AngeloMDias-ny8gw 3 жыл бұрын

Sabe muito !! Parabéns Mestre !!

@johnrutkowski9005 3 жыл бұрын

Your shenanigans are very helpful to a powered flyer, keep up the good work

@ColoradoMikeC 3 жыл бұрын

Great exercise. I think you could practice finding the point where you would spin a wing in the same way. And how to react to it properly before rotating too much.

@SkidzFPV 3 жыл бұрын

Definitely something good to practice, when I have the money I’m going to take a SIV to get practice over water in a controlled setting

@ripmanridin7092 3 жыл бұрын

Great exercise!

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Cheers ripman!

@lucywucyyy 2 жыл бұрын

cute doggy

@RicardoChiessiParapente 2 жыл бұрын

Sensacional o treino! Parabéns para Gemma pela sua sensibilidade e habilidade! Sucesso e abraços!

@AngeloMDias-ny8gw 3 жыл бұрын

Parabéns Mestre !! Ângelo RJ.

@RobertoBruske 3 жыл бұрын

Muito bacana de ver essa parceria Andre e Gema vocês deixam os pilotos aqui do brasil com inveja rsrsrs

@Hemersonr 3 жыл бұрын

muito bom esse treinamento... parabéns gemma.. vou escrever em português para você ir treinando...

@johnrushenberg100 3 жыл бұрын

the Geo is one of my favorite wings because it is so fun to stall and spin! brake travel to stall is HUGE window for back fly is HUGE recovery from stall can be done with no resulting shoot and it is easy to SAT and brake pressure is so severe its very very hard to spin an established SAT get one and take it to SIV

@pedroj.tirado3093 3 жыл бұрын

Excellent exercise. Keep in mind that close to the ground the position of your hands where you will reach the stall point will vary/change with altitude and with light to no wind conditions. so you could stall the wing coming to land at higher altitude (or top land on a mountain) with your break/hand position you fly safely at sea level.

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Very true and good points Pedro! Cheers

@johnalexbaker 3 жыл бұрын

Are you sure stall point changes with wind conditions... :-|

@pedroj.tirado3093 3 жыл бұрын

@@johnalexbaker- you are right. the stall speed remains the same. what changes is how deep you have to put your hands to slow the wing to where it will stall and how long you can keep your hands there. in light or zero wind you need more break pressure to slow/stop and thus, closer to the stall point. I should've been more clear with the explanation. I've corrected my original comment for clarity.

@quoth_raven 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndreBandarra1 It also changes with the dynamics, try pulling faster or let the wing pitch back and stall it just when it comes above again... you´ll find less brake is needed.

@MikeKing 3 жыл бұрын

cool to see this technique in practice, haven't seen it before. I want to practice slowing my speed on approach on motor by break pressure so stall practice could really help with that if I have a place like you to practice. I just use height and watch my GPS now to try to slow my speed subtle, no where near an actual staff though.

@mitjaholz8084 2 жыл бұрын

Close to the ground on the slope the relative wind direction to the wing is different and it is stalling at a later point than higher in the air.

@AndreBandarra1 2 жыл бұрын

I would say yes the wind direction is different but it makes the wing stall “earlier” because the airflow is already coming a bit from below rather than horizontal. However, because of the headwind the wind stalls at a much lower groundspeed (sometimes close to zero) and this makes it feel that the wing stalls “later”

@mitjaholz8084 2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, it would be interesting to see if the same force on the breaks is needed.

@gellerttoth2113 3 жыл бұрын

Really nice to see how it works :) Maybe put a little disclaimer that this only works like this with laminar wind. Need to be waaaay more cautious when practising inland where obstacles and not laminar wind. Also it was interesting to see how the same wing behaves with higher load. (I'm at the stage where start trying xc) before I turn into a thermal I was told always weightshift first to load the inner side before brake to a tight turn. That pushes the stall point further therefore smaller risk to spin. (I think Jocky has a video on it testing this concept.) Do you agree that higher load (within range) actually makes it later to stall? How did it feel?

@adamsilver7268 3 жыл бұрын

Rick and Morty references, ay? Great stuff you two!

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

Ahah if you know you know 😂

@cw2126 2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

@johnblake8761 3 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, nice vid, nice to find your stall points,, can I ask what harness you are using in this vid..🙂🪂

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

It's the Ozone Oxygen 1: www.flyozone.com/paragliders/products/harnesses/oxygen-1

@johnblake8761 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndreBandarra1 great, I thought so as I just purchased one but not tried it out yet, my first light harness,,,,

@Monyornothin 3 жыл бұрын

Maybe a stupid question but can you practice stalling the wing while ground handling I assume so but curious

@AndreBandarra1 3 жыл бұрын

You can, in groundhandling when we say stall we mean the wing goes behind the pilot and hits starts going down. And usually hits the ground

@VARocketry 3 жыл бұрын

@@AndreBandarra1 yes, exactly. I needed to find the stall point on my Independence Tensing as it has long brake travel. Found it on the ground forward kiting with full downward extension. I used that to learn to slow/surge to build needed energy for landing flair.

@farzin2322 3 жыл бұрын

Where is this place . thanks

@MrJdsenior 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, 'my wing' could be taken to mean just the one she was under at one time, it doesn't have to mean ownership. "OK, you have to get to proper flight first" Harsh, but true. I like that you are watching out for her, altitude wise, etc with the abort call. You would make an excellent teacher, in general, as you are here specifically. Your 'work up to a stall' comment raised an interesting question in my mind. Is it possible to high speed stall a non rigid wing, like you can a normal airplane wing? And I mean at normal altitudes, not at the one where high speed stall and low speed stall come together at max power (absolute max level flight altitude). "Obnoxiously crass with the brakes" Is that an A wing. I'm assuming that might not be remotely true on a C or a serious competition wing. True? I like how Gemma's ground handling WHILE she's discussing and processing info, without even looking at the wing. You can tell all that practice and fooling around (ground stunting) is really paying off. Gemma, if by any possible chance you haven't realized that, take note! :-) Things that should be obvious to me, like the foil lagging to build angle of attack for stall are not intrinsically obvious, until pointed out. Flying a rigid wing actually seems to translate to a suspended soft wing not an awful lot. Has Gemma done a real SIV. If not, if and when she does, don't forget the camera. I would be interested in how all these things you are teaching her translate to her handling of the situations presented there compared to a 'normally' schooled student. "Got Gemma written all over it" Baby steps are a GOOD thing. I guarantee you the Wright Bros did it that way, or their first serious accident would have occurred much earlier than it did. Unfortunately, the first big one involved the loss of a passenger's life. I would say the first solid wing aircraft accident, but I think a few glider pilots (like maybe Lillienthal?) preceded them, often for lack of a yaw controlling rudder and VERY crude quite unstable aerodynamic designs. Just some possibly misremembered history, if you care. Too lazy to look it up. :-/ Feel free to correct me, if wrong, whomever. I have thick skin., most engineers do.

@brandonthomas1887 3 жыл бұрын

Where is this?

@petrkoz 3 жыл бұрын

You have great videos guys but not this one. Either try it very high or very low on steeper hill. This compromise is so dangerous. I cannot imagine what would happen if you stalled the glider 5 m high and not release :-(

@niconico3907 3 жыл бұрын

Stalling is something you should practice during a siv course, 500m high above a lake with reserve parachute and instructor. Not on a beach, 5 m high, its really dangerous. You can die or break your spine from stalling that low to the ground. You dont even have a harness with proper impact protection (foam or airbag). It was more parachutal training than full stall. If you full stall the wing that low, the wing goes back and you crash on your back. I know because during a toplanding, I stalled my wing on purpose with my feet less than 50cm from the ground, and landed on my back, luckily I had back protection and it was in tall grass with no rocks, and I still hurt myself.