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Stand Your Ground

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ShootExperienceTeam

ShootExperienceTeam

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On Tuesday 21 June 2011 six photographers were assigned different areas of the City to photograph. Some used tripods, some went hand held, one set up a 5 x 4.
All were instructed to keep to public land and photograph the area as they would on a normal day. The event aimed to test the policing of public and private space by private security firms and their reaction to photographers.
All six photographers were stopped on at least one occasion. Three encounters led to police intervention.
This is what happened.
Directed and Produced by Hannah White for the London Street Photography Festival
Edited by Stuart York
Many thanks to:
Tim Bowditch
Leona Chaliha
Ana Galanou
Michael Grieve
David Hoffman
Chris Ogilvie
Pennie Quinton
Liam Ricketts
Toby Smith
Grant Smith
Camilla Webster
Philip Wolmuth
Stuart York

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@danbealecocks4344
@danbealecocks4344 8 жыл бұрын
Stands in front of huge glass window, says "We've got a lot of confidential stuff here".
@jakemartin2613
@jakemartin2613 8 жыл бұрын
I couldn't help but laugh at that, if it was that confidential why would it be on the ground floor on a busy street!
@Teeb2023
@Teeb2023 7 жыл бұрын
LOL
@johnmunro4952
@johnmunro4952 7 жыл бұрын
great response from the police officers!
@slickrick320
@slickrick320 7 жыл бұрын
that was so funny when he said that. What a jumped up nerd in a suit. l
@ianblack1865
@ianblack1865 5 жыл бұрын
I would have said "Yeh what kinda "Confidential Stuff"?
@jimmyrobertson99
@jimmyrobertson99 9 жыл бұрын
Cracks me up, these companies put themselves in these huge iconic buildings then get all jumpy when people take pictures of them. If you're that worried move to an industrial estate in Luton.
@EmptyGlass99
@EmptyGlass99 9 жыл бұрын
haha yes my thoughts precisely. "Hey guys, lets rent offices in the tallest tower block in Europe. WTF PEOPLE ARE TAKING PHOTOS OF OUR OFFICES!!!!" - corporate logic.
@msbookercat
@msbookercat 9 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Robertson There's a video of a crew doing this in NYC of a building the entire front of which for an entire block long, two stories high, is glass. The security guys were wetting their knickers because someone was "filming INTO "their" building". If the building's contents are that damned sensitive, why is the entire front made of transparent material?
@englandne5458
@englandne5458 8 жыл бұрын
+Jimmy Robertson hahahaha, love this comment, too true
@chessfun
@chessfun 7 жыл бұрын
well said...
@kimfielding8010
@kimfielding8010 5 жыл бұрын
CLASS 🤣😂😎Jim
@NullaNulla
@NullaNulla 10 жыл бұрын
Bloody good to see some coppers who know their jobs, well done officers.
@PVPonTubeYou
@PVPonTubeYou 9 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@kenabell4978
@kenabell4978 7 жыл бұрын
Glen O'Riley they should have got a mention in the thanks credits for backing you up and knowing the law.
@isaacoconnell8295
@isaacoconnell8295 5 жыл бұрын
Agreed.
@raskal242
@raskal242 4 жыл бұрын
Yes I totally agree with you my friend, there is a small percentage of good coppers out there these good coppers need to set a good example to the corrupt police officers that just go on and try and get you nicked for something completely unrelated to the original "crime" just because they've just been schooled and learnt that you was actually not committing any offence and with that feel they've lost face and had their authority challenged but rather than learn from their mistakes like the rest of us civilians have to do they come up with some bogus charge just so to stamp their authority all over us and breach our Human Rights!
@Richard-ud4fw
@Richard-ud4fw 4 жыл бұрын
City of London are a fantastic force
@EliasVergsen
@EliasVergsen 8 жыл бұрын
So you notice something here. The private security have no idea what they're talking about and try to intimidate people away. The actual Police understood the laws and dealt with it correctly in this video.
@recklessvandalism
@recklessvandalism 10 жыл бұрын
fair play to the guy who said they could go onto the private estate and would help them get better images
@pjmbidge632000
@pjmbidge632000 5 жыл бұрын
He was the only guy who had any brains, treat people nicely, you get results!!
4 жыл бұрын
I liked him too.....
@EmptyGlass99
@EmptyGlass99 9 жыл бұрын
Good to see the City of London Police actually know the law.
@armedferret
@armedferret 5 жыл бұрын
*SOME* do. Definitely not all. Sure would be nice to have THOSE individuals teaching the incoming ones though. What a difference we'd see in a year, two, five!!
@billm1601
@billm1601 10 жыл бұрын
The one officer at the end handled it professionally and upheld his oath. I like that, the way it should be.
@Met182
@Met182 4 жыл бұрын
"Terrorism Act and stuff" "Which part of the Terrorism Act?" "I think we'll end the conversation there"
@JFizoust
@JFizoust 8 жыл бұрын
They should put a big sheet over the front of the building so Google Streetview can't take a picture once a year.
@tallthinkev
@tallthinkev 3 жыл бұрын
Or those with dash cam, everyday
@roberttaylor4511
@roberttaylor4511 9 жыл бұрын
First, let me just say that I am an American. With that in mind, I absolutely love every police officer in this video. They all knew the law and upheld it in a calm and professional manner. That, my friends, is law enforcement. It's so rare in America to find any cop willing to do this. I fear American police.
@Kref3
@Kref3 9 жыл бұрын
Robert Taylor Even better: These British policemen are not even armed. They usually just talk friendly to the people and sort things out.
@hughjarce3517
@hughjarce3517 9 жыл бұрын
First, Thankyou for your observations. Of course we have some police who do not always act professionally but I would say that cops here are trained to de-escalate situations. When I watch yet videos of US cops it is frightening. All too often they launch overwhelming force when it is not called for. Of course there are plenty of decent cops in America but I have to say their image here is very badly tarnished because of so many cases of brutality and shooting. The US police all too often look militarised which is very sad. US cops could learn a lot from UK police. In this video the cops listen to both sides, they know the rules and enforce the law properly.
@michaelkeeble1
@michaelkeeble1 9 жыл бұрын
Robert Taylor The UK is always a few years behind you on things. Yes we have some nice cops but damn we have many bad once as well. although not as bad as yours. The UK has gone a bit paranoid since 7/7 same as the USA with 9/11. when security and even cops as iv seen them try to tell you that you have no right to film in a public place then they are liars or idiots that do not know the law. We have just as many people here telling the public they cant do this and that now since 7/7, they will be using 7/7 as a reason you cant do things in the year 3015 I think. like chill people not everyone is a terrorist. I mean damn its London lol many people take pictures there. lets make a nice massive building then worry if people take pics of it,
@msbookercat
@msbookercat 9 жыл бұрын
Robert Taylor I'd trade our entire police force for these 5-6 bobbies.
@adrianrobins
@adrianrobins 9 жыл бұрын
+Robert Taylor i thought the same thing
@ronprince1478
@ronprince1478 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to see these same photographers go to these same places now in 2022 and do the same thing. PLEASE.
@livelife5947
@livelife5947 7 жыл бұрын
10:57 that property manager's got great people skills
@drahcirnevarc9152
@drahcirnevarc9152 5 жыл бұрын
How the conversation should have gone:- "May I ask why you're filming." "Yes." (Carries on filming)
@SA300
@SA300 9 жыл бұрын
I have a photographic memory. I'd better not go out anymore. :-(
@stevemorrisby6705
@stevemorrisby6705 8 жыл бұрын
+SA300 Oh very good LOL
@szityin4345
@szityin4345 6 жыл бұрын
At first it sounded funny, but at second thought, I find this comment genius! Wouldn't for example, remembering parts of the building, count as planning a terror attack? You can just remember how someone looks, people are having really good memory for remebering faces. Shit, you can even draw them later! Why would you remember how someone looks? Why do you take photographs? And can you be forced, not to remember someone? No, because it is natural, we do look at others. Or people should be prevented to look at eachother maybe.
@alanjohnston9366
@alanjohnston9366 6 жыл бұрын
then your not allowed to stand on private property and look
@bartram33
@bartram33 4 жыл бұрын
I also have a photographic memory, problem is, at my age I’ve ran out of film!
@johnnymorell4974
@johnnymorell4974 3 жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing. Is there a limit to the amount of time you can spend looking at a building?
@salerio61
@salerio61 8 жыл бұрын
The only guy who knew his stuff was the Building Manager at 11:00 on the vid. He had the right approach, if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved (he's right) if it's for your own use or for an exhibition come onto the estate and we'll help you get the best shots. Top guy! Well done to his employers too.
@suzesiviter6083
@suzesiviter6083 6 жыл бұрын
Yeah that guy had the right attitude!, bravo.
@BedsitBob
@BedsitBob 5 жыл бұрын
"if it's for commercial gain there might be copyright issues involved" The only Copyright issue, is that the Copyright belongs to the photographer, or (depending on the contract) the person who commissioned the photograph.
@pubtalkpubtalk651
@pubtalkpubtalk651 5 жыл бұрын
Or he invited them in and set about them,damaged their equipment and destroyed their work.
@peterpoop7760
@peterpoop7760 5 жыл бұрын
@@Aidankiwi I'm pretty certain that the law changes as soon as you set foot on their private property.
@Aidankiwi
@Aidankiwi 5 жыл бұрын
@@peterpoop7760 I believe my comment was..."If the corporation's property is visible from a PUBLIC PLACE it's fair game." So your comment is not relevant to my statement.
@andygray4418
@andygray4418 2 жыл бұрын
10 years later we have gone from the police not really caring to the police having a fit when they see a camera out...
@eos1dmk2
@eos1dmk2 12 жыл бұрын
Not every photography is confidant when intimidated by security appearing to act in a bullying manner. the hardest bit is being made to feel like you are actually doing something wrong despite the fact that the law is on your side and you stand on public property. i wouldnt go out of my to antagonise anyone but i would feel pressured despite being in the clear. thank you for posting, very encouraging
@kraigkirchem
@kraigkirchem 13 жыл бұрын
I am a videojournalist in the states. I'm glad you posted your encounters with these "security" personnel. This happens on my job all the time. When I am in that situation, I always suggest they call the police as to get a lesson on public spaces.
@aliservan7188
@aliservan7188 9 жыл бұрын
What pisses me off about the people in these videos is that in London, on an average day, you are captured on more than 300 cameras, so why the fuck should individuals be bothered about being on film (OK that dates me). What REALLY pisses me off though is that jumped up little Hitler wannabes (building security) are ignorant of the law and somehow think they have ANY rights to tell a citizen to do anything at all. These photographers were bloody marvelous and a damn site calmer than I could keep myself in a similar situation. Bravo, great project and well done to the police!!
@alanjones8465
@alanjones8465 9 жыл бұрын
Well said . they need to be aware that Google Earth has many Pictures also ... so lets tell these so called Terrorist Security guards to go away >
@TheBoHoBoy
@TheBoHoBoy 9 жыл бұрын
ali Servan Only 330 cctv camera's ? I think you missed a couple of 00's off there.
@aliservan7188
@aliservan7188 9 жыл бұрын
TheBoHoBoy Bloody hell seriously?
@CryptikB6K
@CryptikB6K 9 жыл бұрын
ali Servan I think its mixed numbers, probably seen 300+ times a day on cameras but there are as TheBoHoBoy says 1000's and 1000's of cameras you just don't walk in front of all of them in a single day.
@ogilvy85
@ogilvy85 9 жыл бұрын
ali Servan well this is the uk and some other places i think...here in india where i stay a majority of the people like to be photographed...but ive had experiences where ive been threatened, held at knifepoint and had coppers come in who are in with the people who have threatened me...you cant really argue with these guys, you gotta protect your equipment and yourself...all that youll hear is well...the law aint gonna protect you at the moment is it
@tskipwadoo3447
@tskipwadoo3447 9 жыл бұрын
All of those people that tried to stop you from filming got shot down in flames. Too funny.
@b1gbird001
@b1gbird001 8 жыл бұрын
the chap at 10:44 seemed really nice; He introduced himself, didn't impede and made attempts to help you, can we have more security like him?
@JG-bh9rz
@JG-bh9rz 8 жыл бұрын
He clearly knows the law too
@elementcustoms1898
@elementcustoms1898 5 жыл бұрын
he actually played some mental games, an innocuous offer of better photos actually trying to control what they shoot and offering a false choice as it doesn't matter the purpose of the photos the process and law is the same but overall a decent attempt at doing his job
@dr.cleric2437
@dr.cleric2437 4 жыл бұрын
@@elementcustoms1898 so we established he is either a swell guy or just very darn clever
@jimmydempsey6857
@jimmydempsey6857 2 жыл бұрын
It was farcical listening to the security who clearly have no inkling of the law, it's an old video let's hope their more updated. 👍
@xondeez757
@xondeez757 Жыл бұрын
@@elementcustoms1898 well its not illegal. talking your way into making people do what you want them do is completely legal (as long as it isnt harmful). its their fault if they listen to him
@wesmatron
@wesmatron 5 жыл бұрын
"I've been told by my manager." The civilian form of "I was just following orders" Neither is a defence.
@itsMrNoble
@itsMrNoble 2 жыл бұрын
The arrogance and cluelessness of these security people is as hilarious as it is baffling. What on earth makes them think that people aren’t allowed to take photographs of their buildings?
@Tenskwatawa4U
@Tenskwatawa4U 11 ай бұрын
The sheer irony is staggering to those who know that London has close to *1 MILLION* CCTV cameras observing its streets and the citizens and visitors traversing them! These million surveillance cameras are believed to photograph the average Londoner at least 70 times every single day! Now sir, would you like to tell me again how you don't want ME taking photographs that include "your" building? I would like to see the photos and videos your CCTV system is recording of the two of us arguing right now about "your" building's "right" to not be photographed by ME!!
@yeahnotsomuch1
@yeahnotsomuch1 8 жыл бұрын
I love Brits. Even when they're fighting they're so bloody polite.
@thomascarroll9556
@thomascarroll9556 6 жыл бұрын
Berceuse it’s because we don’t have to think they have a gun and might shoot us.
@Lakenbeer
@Lakenbeer 3 жыл бұрын
@@thomascarroll9556 so you'd be less polite if they had guns?
@thomascarroll9556
@thomascarroll9556 3 жыл бұрын
@@Lakenbeer no, I’m in uk and the only people who’d be brandishing guns on a uk street would be police, and I’d follow their instructions and lodge any complaint later, or lunatics and I’d exhibit severe discretion, that being the better part of valour.
@jakieskropki
@jakieskropki 13 жыл бұрын
Thank you for doing that and sharing it - I spoke to security many times while taking photos in central London and they are simply idiots.
@TheCunnamulla
@TheCunnamulla Жыл бұрын
World wide.
@harleyxxfabco
@harleyxxfabco 9 жыл бұрын
American cops can learn a lot from these London cops. They knew the law and respected the rights of the photographers, and deescalated each situation in a calm manner. What the hell is wrong with American cops?
@torgo_
@torgo_ 8 жыл бұрын
+Harley Dozer Lol, in America 5 of the photographers would have been arrested and charged, and the 6th would have been tased and then would have mysteriously died in custody.
@CaffeinatedFrostbite
@CaffeinatedFrostbite 8 жыл бұрын
you guys listen to the media a lot? by the way your talking about cops i assume you never went any farther than what the media tells you.
@TheClunkingFist
@TheClunkingFist 8 жыл бұрын
+Torgo Leave it out, d'ya fink I'm some kinda muppet? Bloody filth, come round: you don't own me, mate! Ya ain't gonna feel me collar, today, copper.
@oggybwfc1
@oggybwfc1 8 жыл бұрын
+Harley Dozer And not a single Gun in sight.
@gunz1409
@gunz1409 8 жыл бұрын
love British comedy
@whereistumble
@whereistumble Жыл бұрын
Benjamin Franklin: "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
4 жыл бұрын
Very well done that policeman who came, admired the camera, and said "I'm not worried. You can photograph whatever you like as long as your'e on public property..." That's proper policing.
@alfredthegreatestuk
@alfredthegreatestuk 10 жыл бұрын
Why do these companies think they own the entire street they have a building on.? if they don't like people filming go move to a private island somewhere, preferably the moon.
@Sionnach1601
@Sionnach1601 4 жыл бұрын
It's true. You've a point.
@valerimichael6789
@valerimichael6789 4 жыл бұрын
I took picture of the moon ... crap i might be sued (joking)
@kevvome
@kevvome 3 жыл бұрын
I went to a party on the moon once. Never again. It had no atmosphere.
@MeditationVacation
@MeditationVacation 8 жыл бұрын
Print out the law and take it with you, if confronted it saves alot of messing around. Most security guards haven't got a clue. This is what I do
@MeditationVacation
@MeditationVacation 8 жыл бұрын
ha ha! True! People who don't want to be filmed in a public place are a different story, very confrontational when it happens and you can't defend yourself or walk away because worry of your gear. Even a police man can't ask you to delete or confiscate your camera but the odd one's who are clueless about the law would be the first to complain if someone did it to them.
@laurenaston7940
@laurenaston7940 8 жыл бұрын
Good point. I actually liked when the police were called in this video cause then we got to see the police say the photographers had the right to be there. But in every day photography? Who wants to stand around and wait for police?
@morongosteve
@morongosteve 8 жыл бұрын
such a good idea!
@Ubique2927
@Ubique2927 7 жыл бұрын
That's just it. There is NO LAW that allows or disallows taking photographs from a public space in the UK. I believe that in UK Common Law and any and all 'Acts' there is nothing that says taking photo's from anywhere is a crime, misdemeanor or offence. a business may be able to get a court order that bans taking photo's in a building but even then it is a civil matter, not a criminal act. What is not disallowed is allowed. In fact any and all 'bye-laws' that prevent photography from a public space are not worth the paper that they are printed on.
@davesgrowboxesuk7568
@davesgrowboxesuk7568 6 жыл бұрын
What a load of racist shite. The USA has guns and less rights. Duh! guns dont kill people, people do...........33k in one year. Turkey has 12% of the population that owns guns and that didn't help the 100K journalists from being jailed. Give us some figures to back up your bullshit. And what shit hole are you from?
@TheMangoMussolini
@TheMangoMussolini 5 жыл бұрын
The chap in the pink jumper was quite good, very professional and polite and non-confrontational. And kudos to the great cops who understood that citizens rights are more important than the wounded ego of a security guard. Well done lads, well done.
@byronelenica8329
@byronelenica8329 8 жыл бұрын
some good police work by our Police Officers. Credit where it is due. Its a shame the few supporting bailiffs let the police down by not enforcing the law in this same objective way.
@patmccaffery1543
@patmccaffery1543 5 жыл бұрын
Security...what a bunch of knobs....couldn't secure their trousers 😂😂😂..!!
@bikerbisht110
@bikerbisht110 7 жыл бұрын
Grey suit guy says "as long as you don't take any pictures of the cameras" ... yet again it's alright for them but not for the general public
@BicMacAndChips1
@BicMacAndChips1 7 жыл бұрын
Notice the "my building" as well. Fuck off, you're in a dead end job stopping people filming an insignificant building. What a dead career
@tallthinkev
@tallthinkev 3 жыл бұрын
Just because he didn't get his Blue at rugby, no need...
@fongy200
@fongy200 10 жыл бұрын
Kudos to all police officers featured in this video for not over reacting and dispensing the situations in a positive manner.
@ronprince1478
@ronprince1478 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you to the photographers videographers and organisers.
@ClarkeZor
@ClarkeZor 9 жыл бұрын
round of applause for the copper at 12:50
@andrews882
@andrews882 6 жыл бұрын
12:00 "cor, that's a nice looking camera!" lmao.
@MrHollick
@MrHollick 8 жыл бұрын
Well at least it seems in each instance the actual police arrived on the scene the had no problems as long as the photographers were standing on public property. thats good to hear
@jp22344
@jp22344 5 жыл бұрын
If a security guard walks up to you when you are on public property and asks for ID, the simple response is, “No, why would I give you, a complete stranger with no authority over me whatsoever, ID?”
@robertstorey01296
@robertstorey01296 9 жыл бұрын
Rather than cooperate with these paranoid corporate goons the police should make an example of some of them and arrest them for harassing the photographers.
@charlieminaj2
@charlieminaj2 5 жыл бұрын
John Higgins they ain’t Police so I believe that’s impersonating a police officer??? I can’t even see a SIA license?? They ain’t even security?😐😷
@charlieminaj2
@charlieminaj2 5 жыл бұрын
John Higgins they ain’t Police so I believe that’s impersonating a police officer??? I can’t even see a SIA license?? They ain’t even security?😐😷
@MikeBrowne
@MikeBrowne 10 жыл бұрын
Fantastic video - thanks for making it. What is the matter with these people and companies with such policies? Do they truly think a terrorist organisation would be so conspicuous? Wouldn't it be easier to to use a phone and act like a tourist? Have they never heard of Google Street view or Google Earth which makes taking photos virtually obsolete for such purposes.
@LuisBruno
@LuisBruno 10 жыл бұрын
Depends on what risks they're protecting from. I'd actually expect them to approach people taking photos/video on their mobile.
@AlastairArthur
@AlastairArthur 10 жыл бұрын
Interesting to watch, especially given that the UK is in theory much less restrictive than France for example. I can see both sides though. How many of us would be ok with it if someone randomly set up a tripod outside our house?
@dalibormrkic7808
@dalibormrkic7808 10 жыл бұрын
Great job on part of photographers and police officers
@GrahamTaylorScotland
@GrahamTaylorScotland 10 жыл бұрын
Mike Browne thanks for the post. Excellent video demonstrating some of the lack of knowledge around. As was said the use of common sense should be used. However, it looks like some security personnel have that gene removed as part of the training.
@LuisBruno
@LuisBruno 10 жыл бұрын
Besides, there can be one piece of legislation permitting CCTV for banking institutions and for policing, while another piece of legislation puts differing limits on CCTV usage. Such is the case in Portugal.
@sailingsolar
@sailingsolar 8 жыл бұрын
This apparently speaks of a much greater problem with those who think the are above the law where they can hire paid thugs and send them out to harass private citizens going about their own business in public places. How much of a "greater problem" am I referring to? Great enough that ALL six photographers were reported to have been interfered with at least once which means to me some were screwed with more than once.
@improver1849
@improver1849 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent, excellent point. I found this odd myself. Thanks for putting it so nicely into words.
@Busterpoo1964
@Busterpoo1964 Жыл бұрын
i can tell you that 11 years later in 2022, they still think you cant film in public. we battle on.
@thegreatvanziniphotos5976
@thegreatvanziniphotos5976 3 жыл бұрын
My gosh this was good, even 10 years later. We need more vids from you folks!
@jasbarsoph
@jasbarsoph Жыл бұрын
Private companies approaching members of the public in a public place and TRYING to assert some sort of authority over them. Simply put. GO AWAY.
@daytona1212
@daytona1212 7 жыл бұрын
These security guys do not seem to compute, they have no juristiction outside the building on public land.
@petervangeli6656
@petervangeli6656 5 жыл бұрын
If never ever ever ceases to amaze me when you put the shoe on the other foot!
@themetadaemon
@themetadaemon 5 жыл бұрын
My go-to line in these situations is "No worries, I'm a professional photographer. I know what I can and cannot photograph.". Communicates you're knowledgeable about the subject and have been through this before. Above all, keep shooting while politely discussing the matter with whomever. Don't be afraid to walk away when you're finished as well. Private security have no right to impede or hold you on public property.
@fatwoodjunkie6245
@fatwoodjunkie6245 7 жыл бұрын
Unless a person is a sworn in constable in uniform, no one has the right to stop you, ask you any questions or ask you for ID.
@Aidankiwi
@Aidankiwi 5 жыл бұрын
Even a sworn constable acting on his or her oath has no right to ask for your id unless... 1. You are operating a motor vehicle on a public road 2. He or she has reasonable grounds to suspect you have committed a criminal offence. If neither of those circumstances apply no police officer has the right to demnad your id.
@BlackwellPermacultur
@BlackwellPermacultur 10 жыл бұрын
At one point there is a guard who states that it is because of the "Terrorism Act" that people must not film or photograph buildings. Later, his colleague states that the city of London (financial district and separate legal state to the UK) is at a state of heightened alert, and then makes mention of being briefed by the local Police. Quasi Police forces are being formed from within security firms, staffed by people who can just about comb their hair and operate a light switch. Why do we let this legislation slide through? Keep thinking about the Anti Social Behaviour and Crime Policing Bill, read it, digest what it would do to your rights and freedoms in the UK. This video would have been impossible, impossible!
@Stevenkjy
@Stevenkjy 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the film, I tire of films that are made by people who just want to be unnecessarily aggressive. Happy to see that the police are becoming more aware of the law.
@TheCunnamulla
@TheCunnamulla Жыл бұрын
This is should be an annual event.
@christoph404
@christoph404 7 жыл бұрын
City of London police, based in the financial district, denoted by the red and white chequers on their caps, they are I think a level above your normal every day copper as they totally know the law and are totally professional in upholding it, good to see that they supported the photographers and their right to photograph and did not side with those private security who are obviously a law unto themselves. Credit to the police on this one.
@knownaigm
@knownaigm 8 жыл бұрын
I completely understand security personnel coming up just to ask a few questions (and probably just get a sense of who you are), that is their job and I can see why in some of these clips they might be curious why someone would be spending time photographing certain things. Everyone involved was respectful and courteous. I've only had a few incidents while shooting myself here in the US. I've found, like in the video, if you're polite and respectful that is how you will be treated as well. I've also found it useful to explain what was so interesting to me about what I was photographing and even show them the picture to illustrate that I was interested in the shadows and the light or the way the side of the building overlapped something. The biggest thing is breaking that authority vs suspect mood by just interacting with them as another person. I've even asked if there was something in particular they didn't want me to photograph and the security guard explained they had JUST put in some new cameras right where I was shooting so that's why it seemed a little suspicious to him. No harm no foul, I don't blame them for being curious in some instances. One stupid thing to do though: I was shooting with a friend down in Baltimore once, right outside some building that we didn't know what it was. A security guard came out and headed right for us. That's when my friend decided to head for the hills and took off running down the street. So now the security guard is immediately alarmed at what we might have been doing. I stayed there and simply walked towards the guard and explained we were in a photography class and were trying to get some shots of the reflections in the windows of the building. He explained that someone important was actually in the room that we were aiming our cameras at so he just wanted to come check us out. After hearing my explanation he said "it's cool man, you do what you do, I just wanted to find out what it was you do." Seems reasonable. He didn't ask to delete the pictures or even see them, he was simply doing his job and asking a couple questions about something that he found potentially suspicious. It's a two way street. I don't expect people to just assume i'm an artist because I have a camera. If you let the security personnel know that you understand why they might come ask you a question instead of immediately playing the angry victim card like some youtube videos, then you usually bring them down to your level. In the case of the one security guard who I showed how I liked the shadows the awning was making and said I was waiting for someone to walk through the frame he offered to model for the shot. He gave me his e-mail and I sent him his photo and he loved it. It's people skills... don't always assume you're just being wrongfully "oppressed by the man."
@Pigeon946
@Pigeon946 3 жыл бұрын
The cop at 13 mins is great. Please hire more people like him MET. Pleasant demeanour and attitude. 1 in a million. ShootExperienceTeam, keep up the good work
@mancuk29
@mancuk29 7 жыл бұрын
Nice to see the guy who offered to help them get better shots that what he found out if it was private or for publication and what a nice guy
@peteryyz43
@peteryyz43 10 жыл бұрын
."What do you do for a job?"..oh, I work as an operative that prevents Photographers from legitimately photographing buildings in a public place...oh...ok..that's a nice job...
@trickymicky0007
@trickymicky0007 10 жыл бұрын
excellent video-nice to see polite well informed police-shame about the downtrodden security trying to justify their paranoid existence
@alanjones8465
@alanjones8465 10 жыл бұрын
I hate to say this but a few of the Security guards did not speak very good English.I wonder whats going on?
@urbaneexplorer6115
@urbaneexplorer6115 10 жыл бұрын
alan jones I'll tell you; they weren't English. I hope this helps.
@briandora
@briandora 10 жыл бұрын
alan jones because our so called country has been over run with immigrants and its going to get worse leading to public disorder and riots .
@xyzxyz-hi8lp
@xyzxyz-hi8lp 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the flashing red arrow above security guard’s head 🤣🤣🤣
@WalterTheBalter
@WalterTheBalter 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you guys for your hard work. PHOTGRAPHER APPROVED!
@greenpedal370
@greenpedal370 5 жыл бұрын
There are 2 qualifications for being a security guard:. 1. You are breathing 2. You have no general knowledge or common sense. All the security guards in this clip were eminently suitable for the job based on the required qualifications.
@slick0074
@slick0074 5 жыл бұрын
3. Your knuckles drag the floor.
@mickmaphari6606
@mickmaphari6606 9 жыл бұрын
I was stopped on my own street taking photos and filming some years back by a very polite WPC and her colleague who asked me what I was doing. I told her I was documenting my local area and had been doing so for many years. She said this may be deemed suspicious as 'many children live on this street'. There were no kids (including my own) in sight on that occasion, and I replied that if I were filming the City, just a short walk away, as I often do, she'd be talking terrorism, not pedophilia. She asked to view my photos but I refused to comply, so she said 'Fine, carry on!' but issued me with a form under the now defunct section 44 of the terrorism act. Many inexperienced photographers/filmers make the mistake of being defensive and rude when challenged by police or private security. I would just say: stand your ground, but be discreet and courteous. In most streets of all UK cities we ALL are on camera ALL of the time.
@mickmaphari6606
@mickmaphari6606 9 жыл бұрын
Mind your language you deaf tomato. Ill mannered little cabbage. Troll lol lol lol lol!
@mickmaphari6606
@mickmaphari6606 9 жыл бұрын
ninuxy Troll lol lol lol lol!
@mickmaphari6606
@mickmaphari6606 5 жыл бұрын
And you sound like an ill-mannered little cabbage to be honest: also, you're soooo out of touch .... that was years ago and that stupid law no longer applies - if you think being discrete and courteous is uncool or whatever you need to take your little cabbage head right out of your dickhead little ass.@@victokai4066
@victokai4066
@victokai4066 5 жыл бұрын
@@mickmaphari6606 Y U TRIGGERED BRO 😂
@mickmaphari6606
@mickmaphari6606 5 жыл бұрын
YO HO HO - HO! WHO BE TRIGAAAAD HERE LICKLE BRO? XXX@@victokai4066
@Bob10009
@Bob10009 2 жыл бұрын
Two words needed. “Jog on”
@chunkyboiii
@chunkyboiii 2 жыл бұрын
Interestingly I had a couple of incidents occur when taking some street scenes and architectural shots when walking to and from work between Fenchurch Street and Shoreditch. These were all done using a little Panasonic Lumix LX100. There was one scene where some amazing reflections and light around a revolving door. The guard asked me why I was taking pictures of the entrance and I explained to him that it was nothing suspect, just that I saw an interesting image etc. Another approached me when i was on what I thought was some pavement, which he insisted was private property. He also asked me if I was a professional (which I'm not, it's just a hobby) and that I couldn't take pictures where I was standing and certainly not of the building. The building wasn't even going to be in the shot: I was more interested in the morning light which was shining down the street. It always amazes me that if you were doing the exact same thing on a smartphone, would they approach you? After all, some of them are perfectly capable of taking pretty good images.
@adeferranti4610
@adeferranti4610 9 жыл бұрын
Frightening how these big corporations dont like being filmed,,,
@HiFlyer371
@HiFlyer371 10 жыл бұрын
These people have never heard of Google Earth Street view.
@ChildofGod-jy3nj
@ChildofGod-jy3nj 3 жыл бұрын
You need to come over to America and teach some of our auditors how to behave. You're so polite and you get your message across so much better. Good on you!!
@rossjl
@rossjl 3 жыл бұрын
That copper at the end was lovely. Breath of fresh air.
@tooki3698
@tooki3698 10 жыл бұрын
Good to see the police knew how to handle the situations properly. Well done officers!
@schmatever
@schmatever 7 жыл бұрын
And half of the people telling Brits what they can and cant do on British public land have foreign accents.
@syteanric
@syteanric 3 жыл бұрын
Well done to the security guy for inviting you on site for better images! He knows the law regarding making money off the building too.. fair play to the guy and i hope you got some stunning photos!
@syteanric
@syteanric 3 жыл бұрын
@@bourbon_sketcher yah
@cassiesmum
@cassiesmum 5 жыл бұрын
Using that old chestnut of saying..."you cannot take pictures because of security/terrorist". Is another way of your rights being taken from you! YES.. stand your ground and practice your rights!!
@MotorsportCreative
@MotorsportCreative 10 жыл бұрын
The company doesn't allow? How come Google Maps hasn't been sued? They have photographs of every building.
@canturgan
@canturgan 9 жыл бұрын
Because Google are a huge corporation with high end lawyers.
@caiodlimaM
@caiodlimaM 9 жыл бұрын
they just don't want someone to photograph the security scheme you know =/ sorry for desagree with the video
@Macca-95
@Macca-95 9 жыл бұрын
Caio Cesar It's fine if they don't want to, but their want does not warrant the ability to prevent somebody from doing so.
@billp4
@billp4 9 жыл бұрын
Caio Cesar Yeah and they don't want people filming all the corporate confidential information that they leave sitting on desks by the windows on the ground floor too, right?
@madzangels
@madzangels 8 жыл бұрын
I remember getting into a pretty ugly incident with some Spanish Police Officers, and when I got back to the UK I went up to a British officer in the Airport and I said I had a bad experience with the Spanish Police, and asked if I could hug him and he said yeah and we hugged :D and he joked "your safe now" xD haha I will never forget it! My friend was pissing himself laughing xD
@improver1849
@improver1849 8 жыл бұрын
Awh... That is the sweetest story I've heard in a long while. Cheers to kind humanity.
@kevvome
@kevvome 3 жыл бұрын
FFS....I hope you are gonna set a trend off. Hug a cop'' day doesn't appeal to me at all. Some are as bad as the Yank cops....and that's saying a LOT. NO. LET'S KEEP THEM ALL AT A LONG DISTANCE AND REFUSE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION WITHOUT YOUR SOLICITOR BEING THERE, AND EVEN WHEN HE'S THERE GIVE A ''NO COMMENT'' INTERVIEW. It really pisses them off.
@paultrunfull3324
@paultrunfull3324 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks to all who made this video, well done to all (Well not the security guards).
@LinuxUser119
@LinuxUser119 10 жыл бұрын
Nice to see Police that know the law
@JAKEAWAKEOFFICIAL
@JAKEAWAKEOFFICIAL 9 жыл бұрын
No. You can film him! Never stop...OMG. And you never have to say anything! Even a policemen can't tell you to stop if it is a public place.
@OrganicGreens
@OrganicGreens 9 жыл бұрын
From america you have good cops.
@MrThuggery
@MrThuggery 8 жыл бұрын
Excellent work team....
@mathew8581
@mathew8581 Жыл бұрын
Another reminder needs sent again to All forces to re-educate, Would like these journalists to do revisit
@JiminyCricket
@JiminyCricket 8 жыл бұрын
Great police interaction! To bad American cops aren't as cool here.
@fuckintony6670
@fuckintony6670 7 жыл бұрын
if they were taking pictures of the police station from public space might be a different police interaction.
@Ubique2927
@Ubique2927 7 жыл бұрын
No. Lots of videos on YT showing interactions. There are some idiots that come out quoting the 'Terrorism Act' But generally they are put right by others.
@chriswilson8062
@chriswilson8062 5 жыл бұрын
I've noticed your cops over there are obsessed with obtaining ID
@Samara.Weaving
@Samara.Weaving 5 жыл бұрын
Do a 2019 version but just make it bigger and better.
@JuganautTimelapse
@JuganautTimelapse 5 жыл бұрын
Really excellent video. Amazing the hassle photographers get. Only twice have I had issues with security. Once filming in Wuppertal, Germany in a tram station. From nowhere 2 security guys came. They were friendly but said I had 5mins to film then go. The second time in Prague photographing shadows from lamps on the Mandarin Orient Hotel. Security came and stood taking photos and video of me !
@8898samuel
@8898samuel 10 жыл бұрын
I'd simply say the following: "Me taking a picture from this angle is the same as someone staying where I am, and staring straight at the building. This is perfectly fine."
@PVPonTubeYou
@PVPonTubeYou 9 жыл бұрын
Do you have a second name?
@edwardcrowther9882
@edwardcrowther9882 9 жыл бұрын
Bank of America is one of the worst. Once I was photographing, and two officers came over to stop me. It is very sad that people are so stupid. - Clint Crowther
@improver1849
@improver1849 8 жыл бұрын
Considering that "America" is supposed to mean "freedom", perhaps it should it renamed the "Bank of Irony".
@orbivictting5470
@orbivictting5470 10 жыл бұрын
Have to say that I was actually impressed with the police. I've seen videos in the past where the police abuse their powers and get things very wrong. This helps to restore confidence to the public seeing they are knowledgeable on such matters. Love the comment about covert surveillance, to a photographer who is standing in the middle of a walk way with a tripod!
@jiajunyang1573
@jiajunyang1573 8 жыл бұрын
What i like about this is all the conversations are incredibly civilised. I really envy that, I live in both Germany and Japan for a while recently without being about to speak the language. It was very difficult.
@ashleelmb
@ashleelmb 6 жыл бұрын
It's taken a while but I'm glad to see after years of wrongful arrest, that the police finally recognise that citizens filming in public is not against the law.
@JordiVilanova
@JordiVilanova 8 жыл бұрын
I wonder what the attitude of those involved ("security" personnel, police officers) would have been, had the photograpers looked "muslim"/arabic.
@raysmyth8596
@raysmyth8596 9 жыл бұрын
I'm fascinated by the arrogance and ignorance of these "security personnel" they have no greater authority than any other citizen, yet they feel entitled to question people going about their lawful business. They further insist that "permission" is required from those who are not empowered to demand such a request. These people are incrementalists, seeking to deny peoples rights a liitle at a time. i'm disappointed that the photographers entertained their enquiries.
@innercityunit2112
@innercityunit2112 9 жыл бұрын
Ray Smyth Very well said.
@mikejduk
@mikejduk 9 жыл бұрын
Well done, guys. Great job done and point well made. The difference here compared to other complaints about photographers being arrested is that you were polite and were happy to co-operate with the olive at all times. You were happy to tell them why you were there and to give them your names. It just proves that a little co-operation goes a long way on both sides. Great video guys.
@greenhornet8557
@greenhornet8557 2 жыл бұрын
The Copper that said He didn't have reasonable suspicion....What a bloke!! Nice to see
@danbealecocks4344
@danbealecocks4344 8 жыл бұрын
Really nice police responses btw, did anyone write to their stations and thank them?
@Dombowerphoto
@Dombowerphoto 10 жыл бұрын
Ouch this is painful to watch. but also makes me think about doing a video in edinburgh... could be fun.
@RussellSpencerOfficial
@RussellSpencerOfficial 10 жыл бұрын
Be careful Dom! Some of these people can become quite nasty.
@Hondadctrider
@Hondadctrider 6 жыл бұрын
Dombowerphoto, I would be more worried about having your camera stolen.
@mikeb3811
@mikeb3811 Жыл бұрын
The very first auditors
@a6ruled
@a6ruled Жыл бұрын
Indeed. I wonder if they gave police details and paperwork… I have a feeling they maybe did.
@mrsillywalk
@mrsillywalk 2 жыл бұрын
Photographers would be in their rights to call the police, citing obstruction and harassment.
@kabukiarmadillo
@kabukiarmadillo 10 жыл бұрын
To be fair the photographers didn't appear to be absolutely certain of the law either. Wouldn't the easiest way to shut down the security types be: "If you call the police, I'll wait here patiently til they come to tell you that, yes, I have the right to take photos in a public space."? Assuming they are within their legal rights, that would call the bluff of security goons... BTW, North American cops could take a lesson in civility from the Brits...
@BrianZDodd
@BrianZDodd 10 жыл бұрын
There is a bigger problem that these "Wanna be" cops, is that they have next to no legal training and use the "Big stick" method of enforcing their will on the public. The big problem is that their are a multitude of 'civil' servants who also tell the public what they can do or not, with an equal lack of training. At least our police go though a rigorous training before they become policemen.
@tymesho
@tymesho 10 жыл бұрын
the photographers knew the laws, they were baiting to see if the others did.
@waqarism
@waqarism 10 жыл бұрын
true
@maicwand
@maicwand 10 жыл бұрын
Wear berkas next time, and see if they dare speak to you! Lol
@valerimichael6789
@valerimichael6789 4 жыл бұрын
I am amazed by all those people whom don t want to be video or pictured and come to a photographer ...
@ELMS
@ELMS 5 жыл бұрын
Excellent video.
probably my favourite interaction
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