Yeah, I always thought that also. Kinda the same with that civilization on The Orville actually. And we got a payoff from that one, never did on Voyager.

At the rate they were advancing they could have easily become a rival for the Q within years!

No guarantees they ever would though. If they found there was no way to bring their homework in sync with the rest of the galaxy they may never have bothered with warp drove because what would be the point?

@@andylongman355 no guarantees, sure, but give it a few hours and see if this super advanced civilization comes up with any solutions! Plus the starship was basically part of their religion. Even though they found out the truth, I’m sure they may have put some of their best minds on it if asked for help 🤷‍♂️

@@holodoctor1 Eh. If they had, then what would of stopped them from just tracking Voyager down later to help them? If they new FTL wasn't fast enough to catch up with Voyager having a few hours head start, it could hardly be expected to get them all home.

All excellent points.

2 would of been risky they didnt have 7 at the time and it would of been guess work on getting it to work and could of ended up summoning another borg ship to get said tech as Seven states they offen return to salvge tech and ships 3 the voth would of taken that as blackmail and just killed them

@@realhollow3675 Agreed. The Voth were not a kindly type...they would have just killed them. The Sicarians though...they didn't want to give them their technology...why not ask for them to build a larger gateway they could fly voyager through...they keep the technology, voyager gets home? Or just let their people pass through to Earth...keep whatever data the ship had and detonate the rest so it didn't fall into enemy hands?

Indeed. The presenters on this channel don't seem to understand that Federation/Romulan/Klingon space is a small part of the Alpha quadrant. Just entering the alpha Quadrant would still mean a decade or two more travel.

Plus add in that we are looking at a 2D map of a 3D galaxy, making it potentially even FURTHER than the map makes it appear.

@@danielebowman I don't think the writers of the show even got that point. "Returning to the Alpha Quadrant" was spoken of as being tantamount to arriving home; which is not at all the case.

What gets me is that in one episode Voyager crosses the Mutara Nebula. At that point they were back in territory familiar to the Federation. Hell, they weren't that far from where Regula One was. From there it would have been simple to plot a course to the nearest Federation colony or starbase.

@@danielebowman Romulan and Klingon space were always shown as majority parts of the Beta quadrant on Star Trek maps but both did occupy small parts of the Alpha quadrant too.

No doubt such a strategy is codified somewhere in the Rules of Acquisition.

First hit is free.

Not only that... the wrapper could be advertising... and maybe a 5% off coupon... when spending a large amount.

​@@wolphin732"Two for the price of three."

I guess that one is the unlisted #11

Doesn't Q actually do it for like 15 seconds?

@@supermanprime6758 iirc all he does in hand Janeway a map with an optimal course to take.

Horrified just to think about it.

Geordi La Forge: "I don't like the person I would have to thank." Translation: "Thanking him would make me feel awful forever, even if what he gave me is wonderful beyond all belief."

Timer delay? They couldn't get those till Tuesday.

Tuvok isn't nearly as smart as Spock and couldn't do the calculations.

Temporal cops wouldn't let them. Funny how those temporal cops are selective about when to interfere.

@@scockeryTBF in ST4 they did it to save the entire planet so I can see why they would turn a blind eye to that.

@@scockery Yep, funny they did not care for the Krenim Timeship *gg*.

@@scockery The Temporal prime directive allows for pretty much anything that did happen to happen while anything that didn't won't or can't (or if you prefer it's a crime......). Essentially anything Kirk or especially Archer did or more crucially may have done has to play out. Daniels and (maybe) Gary 7 see to that, it also explains Daniels screw ups. As for Janeway, Picard and Sisko that's easier, by the 24th record keeping is better and the temporal prime directive exists. You also have temporal investigations established and S31 ingrained, either or both of which could be a part of the temporal cold war or in contact with their future selves, which doesn't break the TPD as long as records show that's what happened. The upshot is they aren't selective, any instance where they shouldn't interfere is just known. It also explains why their only known overt instance takes place far from Fed space, that report is essentially the equivalent of a UFO meeting a ship of ours beyond pluto. Credible but not in your face enough for mass consumption/worry.

i was gunna menton about the dominion war so it wouldnt have been such a smooth ride either

both the same distance? that's not how circles work!

@@lizardgirl413 Space isn't flat.

@@posindustries counterpoint: the universe is a spheroid region, 705 metres in diameter

The Dominion was definitely known as hostile at that point, as the Odyssey was destroyed in the episode that aired June 13, 1994, while Voyager premiered January 16, 1995. On the other hand, if it was a choice between facing the Borg or the Dominion, which would most choose?

You can see why R'Mor was taken aback by the horga'hn's appearance. Starfleet being a bit _too_ friendly.

I scrolled all the way down to here to be sure before I mentioned that.

I caught that too! Hilarious!

I wish those two had turned up as the Ferengi trying to steal Sevens nanoprobes in the later episode Inside Man. Voyager crew owed them some comeuppance.

I doubt the Borg would have been willing to share their technology with an enemy force, Janeway wouldn't have trusted them to not just immediately assimilate Voyager the second they handed over the nanoprobe designs, and the Borg also couldn't trust Janeway to not take the transwarp tech and run if it meant also leaving the Borg to their doom.

The Borg couldn't be trusted to give the tech in a way that Voyager could actually use. And even if they did they could still probably overtake Voyager.

Voyager didn't have many non essential crew. In Voyager 37, Chakotay say they could only lose about 20 people

@@DavidKnowles0 I suppose the number of essential crew would be based upon whether Janeway was focused on exploration or getting the crew home. Prior to being stranded in the Delta Quadrant, Voyager was a ship of exploration, so, part of the crew complement would be made up science officers, alongside the engineering, combat trained crew and command officers. If Janeway focused on getting the crew home, the science officers could probably be safely placed in stasis without impacting on the running of the ship. In the fourth season episode ‘One’, Seven of Nine and the Doctor (who was restricted to the medial bay) were the sole active crew for a month due to the rest of the crew having to go into stasis due to the ship’s journey taken them through a toxic nebula. So, I think there would be some wriggle room as to who was an ‘essential’ crew member. Even putting 20 people into stasis would represent just over 13 percent of the crew compliment of 152 (as mentioned in the 37’s episode) - which could offer a saving on resources.

@@jeffwalker7185 Except that the Voyager was on a shakedown cruise when the series starts so didn't have a full crew compliment onboard. They were side tracked to hunt for the Maquis because the Voyager had been designed to fly through the plasma storms the Maquis were hiding in, and because Tuvok was already slotted to be Janeway's second in command after he finished his undercover mission to arrest Chakotay.

She could have parked near a black hole for a bit until time dilation brought them into sync, or create near light speed travel for a while to do the same thing. No stasis needed, so technology wouldn't be required to operate for a long time. (I'm not sure why it didn't cost them centuries/millenia when they were inside the event horizon of a black hole in one of the first episodes.)

@@jeffwalker7185 except the stasis wouldnt have worked, given that even in the ep with 7 and the doctor being the only ones awake they were constantly 'on duty' if only to keep up with maintenance duties, and if this had happened beforehand with no extra crew awake they would never have made it

counterpoint: Voyager, by the end of the show run, had a bunch of new tech they made via help from other races. If they went in that direction and ended up near the wormhole, they would have had stuff they could have used to clear a path. And if it was unusable, they could have just parked near the wormhole and waited until it became usable.

By that time the wormhole was well known to be stable and inhabited by the prophets so I don't see why they wouldn't have used it. The dominion threat prpbably wasn't known at the time so again, I don't see why not.

@@ast5515 *nods* Also, with the time it took for Voyager to make its trip through the galaxy, the dominion war would have likely ended or is in the middle of ending when Voyager finally does get back, if they headed for the wormhole.

I agree, it's easy for everyone to say now that the wormhole was stable but the risk was it could of no longer be available (I think even in DS9 there was an episode where people couldn't use it). As a captain who has to make the final decision do you go with travelling how ever many years to something that may or may not take you home or do the direct route which is longer but at least you get home.

@@ast5515 Voyager left only a few weeks after the disastrous first contact with the Jem'Hadar, and was shown to have information in their database on them, as holographic Jem'Hadar and their ships make brief appearances on the show a couple times, both before and after they regain communication with Starfleet. For all they know, the wormhole could have intentionally been collapsed at any time before they even got to it, as was shown in the original timeline from "The Visitor" when the Klingons took control of the Bajor system and immediately blew it up to keep the Dominion out.

Not to mention they had no way to know it would even still be there by the time they reached it. They could travel those 65000 light years to find it had collapsed and still have another 70 years to get home.

@@WillWatkins92 Even without factoring in the Dominion, traveling almost the exact same distance to get to a wormhole that may or may not be there, resulting in only shaving about 10 years off their trip if they're lucky and doubling their return time if they're not is a pretty stupid idea.

@@WillWatkins92 That's not a plot hole - that's not what plot hole means. It's just a line of dialogue that suggests that Chakotay didn't know about the Dominion, or at least knew that Torres didn't, where as Janeway would have. Given that Chakotay was still a barely trusted Marquis captain at the time of Caretaker, when the topic would have come up (and considering the Federation had just recently, within the last 3 or 4 months, lost a Galaxy Class starship, one of its most powerful vessels, in a straight fight against the Dominion, the topic was maybe even classified), it seems reasonable she might not have felt it appropriate to tell him. And the conversation was moot and irreleant by the time Janeway would have trusted Chakotay completely. The Dominion weren't relevant to anything they were dealing with, except maybe in that first episode when Janeway made the choice, and it's simply not a very reasonable expectation that a Starfleet Officer know about every alien species, faction, culture, phenomenon, technology, or event that happens in and around Federation space. Remember, we only ever see the adventures of maybe two crews at a time, out of thousands of Starships, in a few fairly narrow windows of time (4 years in the 2150s, 4 years in the 2250s, 5ish years in the 2260s, a couple of weeks here and there scattered throughout the 2270s-90s, a fairly well fleshed out run of time between 2365 and 2381, and then the adventures of one retired Admiral in 2399-2402. And a couple of years in the 32nd century.), and even the nerdiest of us struggle to recall all the details of every race they encounter. Imagine how many topics of conversation there must be after 220 years of nearly uninterupted exploration of the Galaxy by thousands of Federation Starships? The expectation that Chakotay know about the Dominion prior to the news that they wiped out the Marquis, when the Dominion were nothing more than one new dangerous thing (of many) very recently found in the distant Gamma Quadrant (and therefore pretty irrelevant to the immediacy of the Marquis' tussle with the Cardassians) at the point he was taken from the Alpha Quadrant, is, I think, illogical. It's not a plot hole. It's a perfectly reasonable supposition. There's no reason to think he would know about them even if Janeway had been briefed.

@@davidmansell5562 True. The Maquis was most likely so occupied in their fight against the Cardassians, they didn't cared for the bigger politics. Also outside of Tuvok all Maquis-Members on Chakotays ship were already away from Starfleet for several years = they most likely didn't knew anything about the Odyssey and other occasions. But Janeway did.

And the Coaxial warp drive was of course completely forgotten by next week and never mentioned again, despite them _having a shuttle fitted with it_ sitting in their shuttle bay. Not to mention Paris completely understood the tech and in fact solved its major glaring issue. Voyager could have been fitted with it, and if there was some "size based" limitations (which didn't effect the big ship belonging the original pilot who'd had their body stolen and caught Paris in the bodyjumpers body) then at least the Delta Flyer could have been equipped. Even if it didn't shave that much time off due to having to recharge or recover or whatever, it was still a great "get out of dodge" jump drive that would leave any hostiles eating vacuum as they would just vanish, with nothing such as a warp trail to follow. Also very useful when you want to sneak past some unfriendly territory (such as a anti telepath Empire).

​@@casbot71The species you're thinking of is the Devore. Where they were helping those telepathic refugees cross their space, and Janeway uses her wits, with a touch of her feminine wiles, in order to outsmart Inspector Kashyk.

@@casbot71 Imagine making 200 trips to ferry everyone home. Or just go home, give that thing to Starfleet and come back with a ship once they ironed out whatever flaws it had.

Correct, it had some sort quartz minerals or something. Makes you wonder what the Borg did.

@@ashedarke I am sure the Borg likely changed a few Sikari into Borg, pulled the info out of them, then mined other planets that had the same mineral before building their own drive.

They still could have struck a deal, though. Give the Sikarians something in return for them giving Voyager a boost home

@@TwinPeaksIndustries That is precisely what I was thinking. Offer them the federation story collection in exchange for a boost. They were against giving the technology to Voyager and that is fine Starfleet has similar rules. but what about a ship-sized trajectory. It wouldn't have been all the way but 40.000 lightyears would have been over half the way.

​@@ADMNtekLiving without money has obviously made most humans (and other Federation citizens) pretty dumb and gullible, and not know how to make any profit.

More likely some b.s. about how they sphere only has one and they cannot create a second one.

@@scockery VOY: Bioneural gel packs are fancy new tech and can't be replicated." Also, "Photon torpedoes can't be replicated, we only have X amount. Also VOY: It's a shame we couldn't make more gel packs, or replicate transwarp coils, but hey! We were able to magically make 10X more torpedoes and a second Delta Flyer! Rocks to replicators, baby! ('Cept when it really counts...)"

@@xileets The anti-matter is the issue with torpedoes and the Flyer (and second Flyer), so I guess they got more anti-matter at Auntie Matta's Space Truck Stop. Or torpedoes from an arms dealer that wasn't framed by Seven of Nine's faulty memories or junk dealer that didn't have a "Carrie" shuttle craft.

we could have still had seven seasons if they turned right

They could have done the other 5 sessions in the alpha quandrant too?

​@@molybdaen11The idea behind Voyager was that it was a Federation ship stranded on the other side of the galaxy, far from anything familiar and completely on its own. And the only way to get home was to travel through unknown and possibly hostile territory. So if only 2 seasons follow the original concept and then for five more seasons it's just seen as “another ship in the Alpha Quadrant”, that wouldn't really fit with the original idea.

But Sleeping with Q would just be Janeway & Q touching index fingers together… AND with the snap of the fingers they would’ve all be home.

Please stop.

That's why Janeway is better. She doesn't put up with Q or his bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I like Q, but Janeway's reaction to him is priceless

@@KanchidoShinokyoufu Well in fairness, no one knew that was how the impregnation would be happen. Until that point it was assumed they were talking a sexual exchange. Also we don't know what her being pregnant would have entailed. For example...it obviously would have been "not normal" by our standards...and we don't know what would happen after birth. The point of the child was to understand parenting...would Janeway have kept the child? Would she have had to go to the Continuum? Would she have had to have powers like Riker to deal with a Q child? Those types of things.

As a female captain I would've... But then again my sister keeps telling me I'd be a "Sloot" as a woman... Still, it's the the benefit of the crew, sis !

This was the big reason. In the episode, Paris stated that he knew the crew was looking for him and he shut down the drive. That brought him back to the start. So Voyager would first would have to figure out how to exit, probably by doing a lot of tests, then scale it up to Voyager. It also is unknown how many times one can be devolved back to original before complications happen.

Sounds like the improbability drive. Occupy every point in space and you don't know what species you will be when you exit. Probably a good thing they never pursued it further, illegitimate lizard babies are enough from one odd coupling but a whole crew of them.

I feel like they could have had the ship pull up a point in space it has records of, then have that coordinates being pinged a whole bunch while having a holographic version of the bridge and some of the crew keeping track of where the ship is going on the holodeck. Once the ship comes out of warp 10, just have the holo crew park the ship somewhere safe while the doctor turn the incapacitated crew back to normal. If a holographic Moriarty can control the Enterprise from its holodecks, then it should be simple to do the same on Voyager.

Ahhh see that's what the spice is for, and I don't think Janeway would be down with people spicing on her ship.

Sleeped?

​@@DMSProduktionsSlept. 😁

She didn't even have to sleep with him, just help him procreate. As we saw with Q and .... umm... Q , all they did was touch fingers and Q (Trellane) was conceived. Everyone home, Janeway has to endure carrying a Q for 9 months, happy ending, no-one dies.

That was never going to happen, let’s be real.

@@benjaminsmith9131 ;o)

Although it always worked in Star Trek, they frequently mentioned how unlikely success would be for using the slingshot method. Janeway wouldn't have risked it.

1. That would depend on Q. If Q was in the mood, he could have sent them to Earth, but in a bunch of pieces. 2. Wasn't that a experimental drive that only that ship could have handled? 3. If I remember that episode correctly, didn't those guys sort of said no to them a whole bunch and got so mad that they decided not to work with Voyager in the end?

1- Q would only do it if they agreed to cause problems on purpose for him, so no. 2- The spore drive was classified at the highest level over a century before Voyager and stayed secret for the next 900 years, so also no. 3- The Voth were extremely uninterested in negotiating with anyone, much less a species whose very existence disproved the religious dogma that their entire society was built upon, so again also no.

@@firetoacat Janeway could have agreed to Q proposition in exchange for the return of her crew. Or she could have asked Q Jr

@@firetoacat I must rewatch the dinosaurs episode. Can't recall the ending.

@@jonnyf3374 the omega particle is also classified and is in the databank. Classified does not mean deleted. Janeway just can't tell ppl about it and probably would take some years replicating a 100+ years old experiment

Iirc, Dauntless wasn’t big enough for the entire crew, and you’d run into the previous issue of having to leave the Doctor behind

@@williambryant6175 you could make multiple trips. The doctor had his mobile emitter.

The entire third act of the episode disagrees with you. The controls had been locked out and Janeway and Seven were only barely able to get beamed out in time before the Dauntless exited slipstream directly in front of a bunch of Borg cubes. If Chakotay had sent a team to try to secure it, everyone would have gotten assimilated.

​@@williambryant6175It was big enough, it just didn't have luxury accommodations, replicators, or holodecks. There'd be more crew in bunks, but it would have been much faster. (Although, from what we know about warp speeds, it should have only take 5-10 years in Voyager, anyway.)

They'd have to get hold of a cloaking device first. The Defiant's was provided by the Romulans, it's not something that any Starfleet ship could just whip up in the replicator if they decided the treaty didn't apply. While they were on good terms with at least one Delta quadrant species that had cloaking technology (the Kraylor) the value of cloaking technology is generally depicted as too high for any species to be interested in trading it.

F that stupid treaty. 😤 Give enemy an advantage, never!!!

@@hackman669 Calm down, Admiral.

The treaty applies anywhere, the Federation was only allowed the use of one cloaking device to only be used in the Gamma Quadrant and only in exchange for all intel regarding the Dominion, and that agreement was made after Voyager had already arrived in the Delta Quadrant.

It would probably not have worked on the borg. Even the federation knew how to detect any ship with tachions. Ans the borg fought many exotic species before.

Well...if that's the case...why expend the resources on the experiment in the first place, if it was never going to get them home?

Could sure be solved somehow... sorry They damn had unlimited shuttles and builded 2 Deltaflyers....

Also, the shuttle's engines had to be reinforced, because they kept leaving the shuttle behind. Doing the same to voyager would have been a massive undertaking, and exponentially increase the risk. Small shuttle = minimal risk.

They mined dilthium before, back when its was still relevant to the plot.

@@XentorAntarix, builded? Built...

I was thinking a comment about how the procedure wouldn’t work on Klingons or Vulcans or some other species, but that would work too.

It would be easier to deem it an unviable means of travel. By fixing the point of achieving infinite velocity as an anchor from which deceleration will always occur, leaving no way to come out somewhere else.

that might be true but you know who could pilot a warp 10 ship with no problem. a Hologram or maybe another form of autopilot. they could have used it to at least establish 2-way contact with Starfleet. who could have potentially looked into the tech and made it safe.

​@@ADMNtekPlus some crew in stasis? Make fifty trips?

@@AndrooUK if i remember correctly they had that one episode where they did put the entire crew in stasis for a month or somting.

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6.56 what? Degrees? Latitude? Milliliters?

We don't know that the Caretaker wouldn't have taken Voyager from somewhere else.

Are you sure that episode was not just a dream Chakotay had?

Put all the non-humans in biochemical stasis cryogenic suspension something-something shielded containers...

@@scockery Stick them in the transporter buffer.

Not to mention there's no way to know what could happen to the ship's bio-neural circuitry, either.

​@@posindustries Perhaps the ship would become sentient? Somebody get on this what-if! 😀

​@@EJRichardsonFubaraA sentient ship?? You zora be kidding 😂 😂 😂

Voyager left the Alpha Quadrant before the Dominon war started. Unless they got a update about it when they talked to Reg through the wormhole I don't see how Janeway would know.

Voyager got lost, after The Search. So while the war hadby begun proper, the Dominion were a clear and present threat. But would it have saved much time? For all we know the journey from the caretaker array to the gamma quadrant end of the Wormhole might not have been much shorter.

I´m not sure, if everything was aired in the right order in my country and maybe that got me confused about the timeline. And even if, I might not have been that observant back then as you guys. 😆

I Stand With Tuvix. ✊🏻

Umm...yes they did. Janeway had that conversation with Gath while eating pecan pie. He made the excuse of having to discuss it with the other magistrates.

Wasn't there something about the device that it would only work at the Sikarian homeworld, something about the fields around the planet. Hence the need to try it right away, otherwise Janeway was about to depart.

@richard77231 Technically yes, but it obviously worked on other planets. Otherwise, they wouldn't have been able to get back.

Sources put it a similar distance compared to Earth, give or take 15,000 light years either way. Assuming best case it being closer at 60,000 light years it still wasn't a good option. Firstly despite being a known stable wormhole they had no idea what it's condition would have been like by the time they reached it, especially considering the existence of aliens (the Prophets) who live inside and showed in the very first episode of DS9 their control over it and willingness to close the entrances due to disruptions ships entering causes them. Secondly even before Voyager left The Dominion was a massive known openly hostile threat having already destroyed multiple ships & colonies from the Alpha Quadrant inside the Gamma Quadrant including easily destroying The Federation's Galaxy-class USS Odyssey and had also beaten their new prototype warship The Defiant taking its crew captive. At the time The Federation saw war with The Dominion as being inevitable. So choosing the Bajoran wormhole would have meant facing a massive hostile civilisation with ships that greatly outclasses their own, and even if they somehow made it to the wormhole it was a massive gamble whether they would actually be able to use it which would have meant another 70,000 light year journey towards Earth if not.

I scrolled a long way to find this comment, but I'm glad I did. In theory, Voyager could have done it all by themselves.

That and the magic space repair shop they found after every episode.

For all of Star Trek, except Lower Decks...

This was something I never understood. They could travel "up to 40,000 light years" earth was 70,000 light years, why wouldn't they have negotiated to build a outpost on a planet with the correct core so they could planet hop. then disassemble the second one after sending Voyagers crew home.

The Sicarians weren't the altrusitic type, they were all about self-indulgence through their bountiful resources and tech and having novel experiences with new aliens and civilizations - a more Risa approach to Starfleet's mission. They heard rumors about Voyager, the Lost Ship from some distant corner of the galaxy, and just thought, "Nice! This'll be fun!" Giving Voyager practical resources? _Building_ another outpost? "Sounds too much like work."

@@Brasc Thats a good idea, but go with me on this one... The chance to visit federation worlds, interact with their people and eat their amazing pie? A entire quadrant of the galaxy full of sentient people with stories, food, and art to explore, just by building one more spatial projector, which the crew of voyager would probably do most of the work on.

Suppose the suggestion is that maybe The Doctor could have found some way to protect the crew once he knew the full extent of the evolution....

Over a day went by before Paris went nuts enough to do all that. And he only progressed that far because the Doctor hadn't figured out a workable cure yet. By the end of the episode, that no longer applies, as he knows how to reverse the problem immediately.

keep in mind they didn't know that this would happen with Paris. also, they could have had help from all of Starfleet medical once back home.

Right

as we later learned in discovery, the galactic barrier is quite a complicated blockade. neither wormholes can penetrate it (wormholes always stay inside the galaxy), the spore drive that works universewide and through all the parallel universes can't penetrate it, why should warp 10 manage that?

@@robertheinrich2994 Discovery used a wormhole made by the 10C to get back to Earth, The Enterprise D left the galaxy and returned via the traveler.

@@JaredLS10 you are right. the 10C could penetrate the barrier with a wormhole.

But once they leve they planet they enter the universal timeframe again. From the surface of a planet its really hard to research ftl technology.

@@molybdaen11 i need to rewatch it was voyager responsible for the time speed increase?

@@Gaggle_of_gays As far as I remember the unique composition of the planet trapped voyager and also speed up time the closer you get to the core. Voyager tried to break free many times but created eathquakes on the surface by accident. They only got free when the civilisation on the planet visit them and developed a way to savely remove them. Granted they could stay in they accelerated time for a while but not forever.

@@molybdaen11 can u imagine if the borg assimilated that planet even if the civilisation didn't have much of value a planet like that would be amazing for research evey time a new species is resisting the drones on the planet would have decades to adapt and a few hours for the collective to counter and then assimilate them

Heck, they built a brand new one in the Delta Flyer.

Q could have done it too, or even Q..

@@MrEscape314 then the series ends, just like it did in the series REAL finale ENDGAME in the final scene. If you are one of those people who saw some of them streaming but not all then you wouldn’t know what I’m talking about😎😎

@@batgurrl I've seen them all, most live. Not saying they should have given us a snap ending. You pointed out q could have done it, I was just adding that there were multiple q that could have done it.. especially q after they helped him out. I never meant to suggest they should have because of plot/story reasons. Otoh, it's hard to see how omnipotent beings could feel appreciative and not do something so careless as to send them home..

@@MrEscape314 the entire object of the series, from my point of view was that Captain Janeway main mission was to get the crew home in a timely manner. Even though the finale was a bit ‘contrived’, I really enjoyed the second part very much. Destroying the Borg trans warp hub leading to the Alpha quadrant right after she emerged in Voyager, and also the damage she did to the Borg queen and god knows how many drones thrilled me at the time. Logic wasn’t that relevant to me at the time, if you know what I mean. The starfleet complaints that they didn’t allow Species 8472 to wipe out the Borg was kind of dumb because of the message they sent to Kes about ‘purging our universe’ Far worse outcome than millions of humanoids being turned into drones. The lesser of two evils IMHO☮️🖖

@@MrEscape314 that’s true, but there is no ‘drama’ there☮️☮️😎😎

Cue Kenny Loggins.

There is one question, what became from vulcans, or half klingon, or another non human, maybe there will be only well feed B'ellana :D

She pushed them as far as she was able with her powers at the level they were at

@@andylongman355 So maybe Janeway keeps looking for Ocampa to harvest for their psychic energy...ha-ha...she becomes Ransom.

Going through the core of the galaxy would also mean meeting god...

@@thobu6576 at which point, he’d demand the ship be ‘donated’

@@TheGuardianofAzarath but as Kirk said, why would God need a starship?

they tried that in the episode and the 'leader' of the sicarians had no intention of helping them as thats what janeway DID ask for when she found out, and they refused to give tech, she asked about a boost they still said no

@@Guardian582 I always wondered about that episode too. When Harry was sent briefly to the Alpha quadrant, he wasn't given the tech, the lady took them there and back. I always wondered if Janeway could've asked them to just send Voyager and the crew to the alpha quadrant without giving them the tech.

@@jimdigitalvideo she did, they said no..well technically they hummed and hawed, until that told them the leader had no intent to help them, AND the leader admitted he wasnt going to

Dang it thought I might be the first

As a native speaker, I say it does sound strange.

This is an American vs British English thing. "Gotten" is widely used in American English, but British English usually uses "got" instead. Although "gotten" is becoming more common in Britain these days. As a British English speaker, I would probably say "got". But either sounds fine to me.

Gotten is actually a native English word but it fell out of use in British English centuries ago, and we use got. Due to the mixing of British and English cultures since the internet or even just TV some words get used interchangeably now but anyone that uses the word cell phone or even worse just cell, should be tried for treason😂.

​@@Psyk60 Okay, I've looked it up in a verbform chart/table, and it lists both forms as the present perfect and the conditional perfect (get, got, got/gotten), but it doesn't specify one beieng british english or american english. Thanks for your input.

​@@clairewilliams9416 😂 Since you mentioned the mixing of languages. Do you know what germans call "cell phones"? It might be british slang for something else. We call a "cell phone", a "Handy".

Would have been a right laugh if they made haste for the Gamma wormhole and got just got destroyed, cut to Sisko being angry.