Thanks Chuck!

I think that you’re way off. The people behind the show thought that it would be renewed for a sixth season and had to tack on a new ending to the final episode to make it a series finale. Calypso is addressed this season but not at the end of the series. The unrefitted 1000 year old Discovery can’t possibly be the same ship that Burnham and crew took 9 centuries into the future. The Calypso Discovery’s Zora had evolved more slowly over time than her DiscoA counterpart. And Admiral Vance’s Starfleet is too small and under strength to wage a long war on Craft’s world. The Federation and Starfleet have never been particularly sentimental about 20th century Earth entertainment unlike the forces fighting against Craft’s people. Calypso Discovery has to be in a parallel universe or in an alternate timeline. Or it’s a Temporal Wars kind of thing.

@@thomashong2938 good to know, but we'll see. It's the guessing what happens next that makes this a fun show to watch.

It might make sense if the Discovery needed to go "the long way around" for some reason to get back to the present. The original Discovery would be hidden in the nebula like some kind of Flying Dutchman, but just in case it was discovered, they wouldn't want to have future tech visibly on board. That would explain why Discovery could blend in but why Zora could get Craft to sickbay, for example. The Funny Face would be a weird element to explain, but Trek has had weirder plot holes to fill before.

I thought the hair looked kind of curly/frizzy like Tilly has.

Don't think she is Kwejian as Book mention the her father was his mentor when he went offworld and became a courier...also I recall Admiral Vance stating she was a human when he going their record, but maybe he was going off by appearances

Unlikely. Lela was the first host to the Dax symbiote.

Sadly DS9 already reveal Lela Dax was the original host for Dax...not Janal

These things have bothered me in Trek for many years (in the 2009 Trek movie, Kirk became a captain straight out of the academy after a cheating scandal). I can understand Raynor by assuming he still retains the rank of Captain officially but agreed to serve as a first officer-commander for this purpose. It is possible for there to be two people with an official rank of Captain while one is in command (at least in Trek - they did this for years in the original series movies once Spock gained the rank of captain). There's also the possibility of reduction in rank as punishment. But let's face it rank in Trek has long been illogical - it really takes a suspension of disbelief to imagine Riker remaining stuck at the commander rank for around two decades even if they lampshaded this issue in some episodes. About Tilly, I missed seeing any episodes where her possession of a PhD may have been established. I have not seen all episodes. I've learned that there was an early episode (season one) where Tilly was said to have previously been a post-doc in theoretical engineering prior to coming on the ship. The Discovery show does engage in lots of tech magic. So do all shows in Nu Trek, though it is worth admitting that Trek has always stretched the laws of physics (see the transporters and whatever a "Heisenberg Compensator" is, which basically puts a lampshade on the science problem with the transporters). But Trek is increasingly making it harder and harder to suspend disbelief if you like something closer to sci-fi than to fantasy. Obviously, the Spore Drive is basically tech magic which makes no scientific sense to me. The Kurtzman team seems to have abandoned even trying to make scientific sense the way that TNG and other series tried (at least in the past if they broke the laws of known physics they used to lampshade it, now we're into full-blown tech magic territory).

I think your points are well-taken, but I can give some 20th century insight into employee hierarchy. I was 24 years old when I was hired by Bank of American for their management training program. When I became an operations officer two years later, my assistant had years more experience and knowledge than I had. Years later, when I was the older, experienced employee, my supervisor was my age but had no knowledge or experience in my field. He had transferred from a different specialty. But it didn't matter. Good supervisors rely on their knowledgeable and experienced staff. They delegate. Spock often knew more that Kirk. As to why a captain would become #1, he was being punished and #1 might have looked better than being fired with no retirement benefits. Reduction in rank is a reality in the military for bad behavior.

That senior grade captain was relieved of command of the USS Antares and forced into early retirement because he lost his temper and ranted at the Federation president. Admiral Vance and Burnham tried to stop him but he couldn’t control himself. Burnham naming Rayner her new first officer and Vance agreeing to it was their way of giving him a second chance. If Rayner did a good enough job, maybe it would result in him getting command of the Antares back. Starfleet Academy didn’t exist really after Earth left the Federation post Burn and Starfleet abandoned its facilities in the Sol system. It was only after the cause of the Burn was revealed did the Federation decide to restart Starfleet Academy and Tilly was one of the first instructors recruited.

@@thomashong2938 Fair, as it relates to Raynor (?) and while I get that the Academy is just starting up again, does Tilly really have the seniority and level of expertise and talent for being an instructor? She’s barely out of training herself!

I mean, if you want to be pedantic, even the lowliest ensign on board Discovery has like 900 years seniority over every Starfleet officer including Admiral Vance

Indeed it is... but going from the trailer images I think this might be the ISS Enterprise from the mirror universe.

Why would you think that?

You can't assume that none of those shows would exist without discovery! That's crazy talk!

It’s not an assumption it’s a fact!

That's assuming any of us needs new Star Trek, its a new century try something different than regurgitating 20th century stuff.

I'm with you. I don't get all the hate...but whatever. My only complaint was the way they re-imagined the Klingons👎. Other than that I enjoyed the show.

Dark corners of fandom? Come on, give me a break. Just because people don’t agree with you doesn’t mean they’re bad. Plenty of people have spent years rolling their eyes at Discovery, and this insinuation that they’re all ‘secret Nazis’ or whatever it getting old and tired. Grow up and accept that not everyone will hold your point of view - and that your point of view isn’t ’default morally correct’.

That you use terminology from the grifter KZfaq channels kind of invalidates your opinion. That you would use that terminology to judge a season after only two episodes so far really means your words are meaningless

In comparison to Kirk and Picard being in the background of every event? You’re using buzzwords you heard online and it’s made you look like a tit mate.

@@1978rharris Okay, whatever. It’s Star Trek, not real life.

At least the Orville doesn't take itself seriously.

Discovery may be better in it's own way and different, as is the terrific episode, “USS Callister, ” in the 4th season of Black Mirror. But, I love The Orville.

Correct but that's a very low bar.