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The DS9 Klingons are my favorite. The ascetic is from TNG and it was good. DS9 made them better by fleshing them out more as a race.

In one of the Discovery "making of" features, they discussed that one of the inspirations for the new look of the Klingons was H.R. Giger. The only problem with that H.R. Giger's Alien has been one of the most imitated designs in sci-fi, to the point where even Giger himself wanted to distance himself from it in new designs (such as for the film Species).

Warrior cultures often had long hair. Greeks Hoplites and their hero Achilles had long hair. Vikings are known to have long hair. Samurai also had long hair, but tied in a knot.

I can see why you would like the Kelven timeline Klingons. But I still have to go with the TNG-ENT Klingons. More specifically, when someone stole Michael Dorn's headpiece and they had to make a new one. That felt like the best Klingons. Think that was season 3 or 4 of TNG. The ridges didn't extend as far back on the head.

This makes sense, actually. The Kelvin Klingons did a modern update of the 24th century design. The Discovery Klingons seemed to take those and just warped their heads into bizarre almost Xenomorph shape.

I'll take TOS basic over whatever the hell they did to Klingons in DISC.

I hated the new Klingon designs on Discovery. My first reaction was “What the f**k?”. You’re spot on in saying it was overdesigned. The extra set of nostrils and extended headgear made the new design barely resembling the traditional design that the fans love. The redesign of the Klingons in the Kelvin timeline was great. It didn’t stray too far from the traditional design. The new costumes is sort of a combination of medieval knights and gestapo. Plus I love the piercings on the forehead ridges. As for the facial hair, the designer moved away from the fu Manchu style and more toward a full viking beard.

I would never call Kelvin Klingons my favorite(Movie/Next Gen will always win), but after seeing what we got in Discovery, I would've 1000% preferred them. At least I could've believed that they were a different sect/racial group of the Classic designs.

When u go to a Trek convention or a Comic Con most people always cosplay as the TNG version because is the best.

1) TNG Klingons 2) Kelven Time 3) TOS Klingons 4) Discovery Klingons Reason why I ranked TOS over Discovery is that TOS Klingons uniforms look more practical then the Discovery costumes.

The second I saw piercings on Klingon ridges it was this feeling of this is so perfect and makes so much sense why hasn't it been on day one it's an excellent design choice that I think works really well and I hope we see more of in the future

The discovery Klingons looked to bland and generic for me like these alien races of voyager that where introduced for one episode and then never seen again. I get that they changed the Klingons from TOS because their looks where just that way because of budgetary reasons, but after TOS we more or less had one Klingon design that got refined from the movies to TNG, to Voyager and DS9 and even Enterprise. It is now iconic and has been part of the Universe for a long time and I see no reason to change it. I mean why make a film specific in the Trek universe when you do not want to use the established universe and only the brand name and nothing else? I think further refinements and slight changes would have been fine, but discovery completely swapped out the whole race and put a new one in that just used some of the Klingon stereotypes. I mean if Klingons were a real race, that would be considered racist ... The Kelvin Klingons looked more like warriors from house Harkonnen from Dune or whatever ... I think the changes done to the Romulan race by the Picard series is a far better way to do things. They didn't really turn around the established perception of Romulans, they just added something to their looks and culture, refined a few things, clarified a few things and gave us new lore. IMHO thats the right way to do it and maybe you can argue on how successful it was, but their intentions of preserving established lore and building up new stuff were right.

At least the TOS Klingons have that cheesy classic rose-tinted glasses kind of charm to them, I haven’t met a single person that unironically likes the Discovery design.

They should have used the Klingons from the Kelvin timeline for discovery. At least they'd look close to worf, martok, etc.

I have long hair, I like Klingons with long hair, it is that simple.

At least Enterprise tried to create an in universe explanation for TOS Klingons. It might be kinda dumb, but I like it. Makes more sense than the orc Klingons from Discovery.

The very fact that a video ranking the various designs of the same alien species is even possible, is a pretty concise reminder that the meticulously consistent canon which nostalgic Trek purists love to evangelize, never existed at all.

I got a great description for the Kelvin Timeline Klingon helmets. Imagine if Predator wasn't a film made by humans on Earth in 1987, but instead by Klingons on Qo'nos. This is how they would design the Predator's helmet I think.

The Discovery Klingons have some interesting design concepts, but to me they'd look more at home in Mass Effect or Halo.

Discovery Klingons have all the hallmarks of designers raised on videogames. Overdesgned to the point of not being practical can only function in a game. I'm shocked that these designs were greenlit for TV. (This isn't a dig at games, btw. I'm just saying that unless you're making animated characters, you need to choose a designer with film or theatre experience).

I can't understand why anyone would get angry about one other person's opinion. I like hearing opinions different from my own. And is there anything with lower stakes than taste in science fiction aesthetics?

I'm sorry, but Discovery's Klingons look like demented telly tubbies.

That’s interesting I think I’ve always sort of dismissed the Kelvin Klingons because I didn’t like that film very much and just felt those Klingons were underused My favourite was always TMP Klingons - I just remember seeing them for the first time in the theatre as a 10 year old not knowing they had been redesigned and being blown away by them - that V’ger attack sequence at the beginning of that film was so mind blowing to me - the Klingon ships didn’t explode they just electrocuted and than disappeared

Discovery Klingons reminded me Orcs. 😂 I really love the TNG/DS9 Klingons but I have to say the Kelvin Klingons were just AWESOME....

What about the Enterprise genetic experiment Klingons? They did have distinctive makeup to TOS with a design that would have been used going forward if the show had not been cancelled.

We can thank John Colicos for the ultimate look of the Klingons.🖖

I actually quite like the DSC Klingons. I can see your point of them being overdesigned, but to me that stylized look highlighted their alien-ness. Which as you say was probably the point. It was different to anything we've seen before, and at first I wasn't sure about it. But I kinda dig it. They look very theatrical which fits with the Klingon culture as we know it. Never gave the Kelvin design much thought, they amount to nothing more than a cameo in the movie, but you gave me a new appreciation for their design. But ultimately, I gotta give the top spot the the movie/TNG era designs. Because in that era the Klingon culture took shape and became what we now know it to be. Special mention to TUC's General Chang. He was the baddest looking Klingon. The bald head, the bolted on eye patch. Glorious!

I thought ST:Enterprise did a clever job retconning the look of the TOS Klingons

As someone who repudiates what Abrams did to Star Trek, I find it continually astonishing that you can make sense so often on other matters, but can keep rating the Kelvan timeline so highly.

The Kelvin Klingons just look like the perfect mix of all that came before. Love them.

Glenn Hetrick had given an interview, talking about the Disco redesign of the Andorians & Tellarites, that it was important not to get too crazy, so people could immediately recognize both species, then he didn't take his own advice with the Klingons. I think they look amazing, just not as Klingons, should have just been a new alien species. I'm still particular to TNG/DS9 Klingons, but the Kelvin ones are pretty good.

I actually like the Discovery Klingons - they seem more alien than the more simple TNG ones, but the Kelvin ones never seemed all that impressive to me

"I wanna stop the comments section being as terrible as it was in the last few supplementals," Rowan said, a bottle of petrol in one hand, an oily rag in the other, and a lighter in his back pocket with the words 'TOS Klingons are boring' etched into it.

Honestly I really like the Klingon Cleav ship ( the one that went through one of the Section 31 ships during the final of Discovery season 2). That idea of using a ship to cut another ship apart is so Klingon to me that I'm surprised it hasn't happened before

The Kelvin-movies dialed up the Klingons to 11, Discovery to 13. Design-overkill wherever possible. Just the bat´leth as an example: TNG and DS9 presented a sleek weapon. Kelvin: more spikes and edges. Discovery: what the hell am I looking at - a bow with pincers?

I don't acknowledge discovery Klingons as canon. Worfs ancestors look like that ?

I really like the Kelvin Klingons too, they look genuinely mean and threatening. I think I agree with your assessment really, the Disco Klingons were over designed. Something between the TNG and Kelvin Klingons would have worked well for Disco. Saying that, by Disco S2, they were toned down a bit and looked better.

I'm like General Chang was like the first shaved head Klingon all the critics of head shaved Klingons forgot.

The Kelvin Klingons seem to be wearing concept art for Darth Vader's helmet/mask.

All the people that have a issue of a Klingon without hair. They forgot that General Chang was bald and Worf's hair was very short in first season, later grew out.

The Klingons are the best thing about Kelvin. Also maybe rank acrual alien designs of all species in Star Trek or divide it by show if need be.

I favourite Klingon’s are the tmp klingons

I think most people imagine the TNG/DS9/VOY ear when they think Klingons. I think it’s unfair to base the Kelvin Klingons on just the one we saw (maybe pierced ridges were unique to him). But I think we can all agree that the discovery Klingons looked a lot better when they added hair

I loved the Kelvin timeline Klingons; in fact, I really enjoyed the world building as a whole. It was well thought out without seeming over done. They also stuck to the ingenuity that the OG Star Trek used to create sets; in some BTS the set designers explained that they used lamp shades, etc to make the transporter set. I enjoyed the drag of the Discovery Klingons, I feel like that would be more ornamental for special occasions but otherwise Kelvin was the best. I feel like the lower level Klingons who would constantly be fighting would have no hair and the higher levels would grow their hair out. But I enjoyed that they didn't have hair either, it was practical and honestly quite striking in addition to the ridge piercings.

We have the same favorite Klingon design! So awesome to find someone else who loves their design from Into Darkness. Also I’m The crazy hedgehog lady on your Patreon. Love your channel, and thank you so much for all the great entertainment and content. My hedgehog (Quillemina) and I think you rock. 👍🏻🦔

And as Voltaire put it "And what is with the Klingons? Remember, in the day they looked like Puerto Ricans and they dressed in gold lamé now they look like heavy metal rockers from the dead with leather pants and frizzy hair and lobsters on their heads"

I'd completely forgotten the Kelven ones even existed, that entire range of movies left essentially no impact on me. It's a decent enough design, cool silhouette. But they don't actually do anything, reducing them to Nausicaan-level of cool looking, yet still wasted potential.

Honestly, the JJ Kilngons are underrated design wise. We didn't get to see much of them but man I loved the way they looked

TOS Klingons: Often viewed on black & white television sets with, perhaps, a 20" screen - and relatively few viewers who had color television sets.

Agreed completely with this ranking. Yes, Into Darkness was terrible in so many ways, but the Klingon designs stand out as one of the few bright spots. Discovery, on the other hand... ugh. I feel like the overwhelming negative reaction to the design was one of the reasons they decided to move the show to the far future... and I can't help but notice we didn't see the Klingons at all in S3.

Maybe it comes down to Deep Space Nine Bias, but I have say that the Prime Movies/TNG/DS9/ Enterprise designs are my favorite designs. The Discovery Design is the kind that works much better on paper in my eyes.

When they teased the helmets in the Kelvin timeline, I was hoping it could be a tie-in to the ridges/no ridges situation. Following the augment virus, all warriors could have been required to wear helmets planet-side or in various postings in order to appear as a unified force and to avoid discrimination among the ranks. Ridge-less warriors would all serve on the same ships and be sent to the frontiers of the Empire, like the systems bordering on Federation space. Once onboard their ships, it could be a custom on ridge-less warrior ships to chuck all those helmets into a storage locker due to pride and to only wear them when dealing with other Klingons.

I think the Disco Klingon design would have been awesome... if they were something other than Klingons. There's a TNG episode that says that Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and Humans have a common ancestor/proto-species, so Klingons kinda have to be designed closer to the other humanoids.

I never thought of those creatures from the Kelven time-line were Klingons.

I thought I was the only one that liked the Into Darkness Klingons!

To me the most redeemable thing about the Kelvin Time line is the Klingons. As usual great video bro.

For me, TNG era wins because they look less alien, and more human. Given the big reveal in The Chase that all the races in the galaxy have a common progenitor, I always have a soft spot for “basically a human, with some extra bits” aliens. I loved the Disco Klingons as being super alien, but that went against The Chase, and that knocked them down a few places. Same with the Kelvin Klingons.

If you ask me, the Klingon design is one of the few things TMP got exactly right.

I like TNG overall, it was simple but effective As far as ship design, the Bird of Prey from Undiscovered Country is a classic, as was General Changs bolt patch

It's no great surprise to find the TOS Kingons at the bottom of your list. And I suppose it's warranted. But I wouldn't judge too harshly, given the severe material and financial limitations under which the original series was produced--the proverbial "shoestring budget," as they say. On the whole, I'd say they did pretty well given the constraints within which they had to work.

I wonder if the much more damaged version of Q'onos and Praxis seen in the Kelvin movies is a result of them using the Narada in warfare while they held Nero in captivity.

Regarding the Klingon home planet of Q'onos, I think it is very telling that in TNG and DS9 the planet was not unlike our own, definitely industrialized but with plenty of thriving nature to acknowledge. In those iterations I did not see Klingons as so much war-like as they were warriors of honor, easily motivated to fight but not out of malice so much as a sense of duty to protect themselves and their ways of life at any cost. Therefore, yes, I imagine plenty of wars occured throughout Klingon history, but I think they respect each other enough as fellow warriors, even if on opposing sides, not to take it to the point of destroying their planet in order to win the fight. Regardless of which side won the war, both sides would be committed to preserving their culture for future generations to uphold, and nuking their planet does not help that. Besides, they were very driven to fight by hand, even when being shot at, and I almost think using nukes would have been outside the realm of an honorable battle (yes I know they shoot disruptors and torpedoes in space but you can't fight hand to hand against an enemy starship). As evidence of this theory, consider how throughout the Klingon civil war in TNG the opposing armies frequently drank and partied together as brethren, even if they were going to fight each other the next day.

Just like the Enterprise-era ships I also really dislike the Enterprise-era Klingons. So very bland and uninteresting. I do love the Klingons from STVI: The Undiscovered Country. Especially Chang and his screwed-in eye patch. How very Klingon. Plus, Worf's gramps - complete with movie style ridges but in the TNG House of Mogh pattern. I love that attention to detail.

I'd count the Disco Season 2 Kingons as a design of their own, given they _heavily_ moderated the design down to something much more in keeping with Movie/TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT designs. Had the Season 2 design been the Season 1 design, there would probably have been a lot of complaining, but I don't think people would've had quite the same problem with them. I'd entirely forgotten about the Kelvin Klingons, and they're fine. The costumes are the best element. I've never seen the fact that Klingons generally have long hair to be much of an issue, as no Klingon worth their qagh would let you get that close in a fight without you being presented with your own intestines first.

I've always thought that the STD Klingon design aesthetic resembled the Necromongers from Chronicles of Riddick. Also, the best Klingon Design from Into Darkness was the rejected bird of prey by Pierre Drolet.

The hair thing definitely made a difference for me in terms of getting used to the new Klingon look in Discovery. I do think if they had some of the long viking hair on the new design it would have clicked for me right away. I know there's an argument that short hair is "practical," for a warrior, but the Klingons were never necessarily the most practical people. The vikings were also a bunch of bloodthirsty bastards, so using that design element always made a ton of sense to me intuitively. That said, Kelvin cranium jewelry is one of those things that made a ton of sense once you saw it. It's surprising in retrospect that it wasn't a part of the design before 2009.

D7? Blingons? No, I don’t think I would make the list like you did. DS9/TNG Klingons and Bird of Prey for me. Keep your Kelvin timeline

Don't worry about the critics :) . To me Klingons need to have hair. I have always thought of this as more of a more a Mongol aesthetic than a Viking one.

Fun fact: both the Klingons and the apes from Planet of the Apes both represent Japanese soldiers during WWII. Both were created by soldiers who fought the Japanese (and in the case of Pierre Boulle, held captive for several years).

Regardless of how they look, no one has performed a Klingon better than the original: John Colicos as Kor in Errand of Mercy. "Fools! Will I have to kill them all???" "A shame, Captain. It would have been glorious!"

The whole of WH40K is over the top, but at least it has style. The Klingons HAD style, but STD producers ditched it all for that crap.

Somewhere inbetween the Search for Spock and Kelvin Klingons would be right for my taste tbh.

I’m just getting started in fully immersing myself in Star Trek for the first time (I’ve only seen the original series all the way through) but IMO Worf is exactly how Klingons should look

I'd rather have the "boring" and "under designed" Klingons instead of the Klingorcs of Discovery.

Yeah, I'm normally pretty chill with lore, canon, all that. I get that Star Trek is a TV show and sometimes production and creative decisions are made that are outside the purview of canon, but even I was upset over Discovery Klingons. Klingons are at this point such an iconic alien design that to change them so drastically was just insane. The explanation that they wanted them to look more alien so that viewers would have a new impression of Klingons is noble, I get that. For the first time I'm hearing that and I can dig it. But still, maybe not THAT design. I agree that the design they got in the Kelvin films is probably the best version of that. They definitely look like Klingons as we understand them, just now their prosthetics have a top-tier movie budget so they can actually look good and properly alien.

I agree. Glad they returned to a more classic design recently with Pivard Season 3 (Worf) and SNW Season 2. I thought the STID Klingons looked really intimidating and it looked like the ridges were more integrated into their skulls rather than just slapped on the forehead. I think SNW Klingons are somewhere between TNG and STID Klingons.

The Kelvin Klingons are used so sparingly that I forget about them in terms of being a different design. Frankly this design should have been used for Discovery instead of the melted turd monstrosities they used. lol My only counter to the way Kelvin Klingons are depicted is the notion that Klingons are so warmongering that they practically have destroyed their home world. Klingons are warriors, warriors are not necessarily warmongers. You can have a world of warriors that also can maintain a society enough to not nuke it. That is a detail that plainly illustrates one of my issues with some of the Kelvin universe world building: overly simplistic interpretations of concepts, characters and worlds that were far more complex and interesting in the Prime universe.

The Klingons from TNG and DS9 were the best! Black people don't get proportional representation in sci fi (or media in general). So it was good for me to see a race of brown-skinned people kicking so much ass! Some of the Kilngon actors were white...but I did not consider them being in "blackface". They were portraying aliens...not Africans or African Americans. So I was a bit disappointed when Discovery came out and they re-imagined the Klingons as not being brown skinned. Don't get me wrong...pigmentation does not matter to me like it EXTREMELY matters to most of primitive humanity. I'm just saying represent EVERYONE! And do so proportionally!

ST:D Klingons looked alright to me in Season 2. They backed off quite a bit on the costumes and they (thank god) put the hair back in.

Pretty much agree with Rowan here, lol, other than changing the Kelvin Klingons out and making TNG ones top of the list. To be honest when we got to number two and that was TNG Klingons I was baffled what other Klingons there actually were that he had on the list. I actually quite like 'Into Darkness' as a stand alone movie, even though it's a mess where Trek canon is involved, but you hardly see the Klingons in it. Theres the one fight scene thats edited so fast you never really see the Klingons without their armour other than that one guy and then thats it, they're gone So they never made an impact on me. I know Rowan does say that due to expense TOS Klingons looked 'boring' and that is accurate. That is exactly why they are the way they are. The shows back then were on a very tight budget which is one reason that when the Romulans are around most of them wear helmets so you can't see they didn't bother doing their ears, LOL. However I wish he hadn't harped on about how boring and bland they were. They are a sign of the times as much as anything else and the face paint wasn't an issue back then. We had some of the best baddies in the entire TOS thanks to the Klingons with Koloth, Kang and Kor who were so memorable they come back in the movies and later tv shows.

Honestly, I think the Discovery Klingons have a really solid design, though, I do agree their costumes were a bit too bulky. I think this design should have been used for a new species so that people wouldn't have gotten mad.

Huh. It wasn't until this video that I realized there's an unfortunate implication of growing biodeterminism in how the depiction of Klingons has changed over the decades. Originally, they weren't significantly physically fiercer than humans; for example the bar brawl in "Trouble with Tribbles" wasn't implied to be more perilous for the Enterprise crew than if it had been with any other gang of average ruffians. Klingon belligerence was entirely cultural, and the Organians allude they'll develop out of it in time. But with the cinematic redesign, the notion that Klingons are physically evolved for battle (and therefore crave it) starts to grow, and TNG ran with this concept, arguably cementing it in the episode "Ethics" by descriging Klingon anatomy as uncommonly hardy. By the time of Voyager, there's a character lamenting her Klingon heritage as a source of inborn aggression, so that culture isn't even a factor anymore. All this is mirrored by increasingly brutal physical appearance, until by Discovery Klingons are pretty much space-orcs, animalistic killling machines that can't be reasoned with. Personally I think this a bad direction, and not just for the ugly real-world beliefs it resembles. Its just boring, sacrificing nuance for cool visuals. It was your reiteration of the "Into Darkness" designer's statement about their homeworld being bombed-out because they're so inherently warlike that really made it hit, because that sounds too much like disdainful right-wing justifications for ethnic neighborhoods being run-down.

Personally my ranking would be 1_Movies/TNG... (they are the Klingons I grew up with) 2_Kelvin timeline (same reasons as you, but I just prefer the others) 3_TOS (mostly because I loathe the Disco design) 4_Discovery (just told you why !). One thing though. You're talking ship designs. MY problem with the Kelvin timeline is the weapons. TO STAR WARS-ISH ! They emit phaser blast instead of phaser beams... weapon wise, I've always associated blast with Star Wars and beams with Star Trek... and those Kelvin-verse blasts are bothering me ! I know it's silly but it dies anyway ! Thanks for your videos.

Totally agree! The Abramsverse Klingons look the best. They’re different and new without being too over the top. The movie/TNG/etc. era Klingons looked like they just went to a Gwar concert.

Your raking is perfect.

Kurtzman's abominations are dead last

You went with the Blingons. To each their own I suppose.

The Disco Klingons are the ones I hate. I can deal with the others for the most part

We needed more information on the Discovery Klingon(in the series) from being not same klingon but more a different breed maybe like how there some differenties between Vulcans & Romulan but basically the same race, I mean if compare the "Kelvin Time Klingons" it's almost they are the missing link between the discovery ones and TNG style lol.......I mean tuck 30 years to explain the Klingons do have a "Cast system" but other than one random comic in the 1980's I think we got no mention until Star Trek Enterprise when Achers laywer talks about how "all the young just want to just the warrior cast as its believed the best way to get honour for one's self" meaning the cast is optional but likely something families force their children to do as it a honorable way to follow one's ancients/forefathers(not to different from Indian & Japanese Culture as family traditions matter heavily in those cultures) but why the Discovery Comics & Star Trek Online explain the reason from ship designs from 2200's to the designs in the 2400's+ was that all the families had their own ships and designs the first federation war gave the people a purpose so they united under one idea(WAR) and in time got a uniformed military with simple single ship designs for a greater military. I just wish we had more information

What about the Enterprise "Augmented" Klingons? We only saw them briefly, but I think they look great and brilliantly and less problematic update the TOS design

unpopular opinion, but i thought the discovery Klingons are my second favorite. I actually quite like extremely alien looking aliens with really good prosthetics, and star trek fails at that quite often in my eyes. for me it's: 1) DS9 (which had a slightly rougher but more consistent appearance than the rest of TNG era, but i still consider them the same design so when i say "TNG" im picturing Martok and such) 2) discovery 3) kelvin (hair and proper klingon armor would have bumped them up above discovery) 4) TOS this is all debatable of course, but I do need to say that anyone who thinks the TOS Klingons are above discovery is just wrong. even if you dislike the new design and you have it somewhere at the bottom of your own list, personally it's an insane argument to suggest that "regular dudes with a bit of facepaint and a fake goatee that even looked bad at the time it was made" is significantly better than a genuinely alien and relatively realistic looking set of makeup/prosthetics. you can dislike the design, which is understandable (and i do still HATE the discovery Klingon SHIP designs btw), but in my mind you really can't say it's an "objectively bad" redesign, and if they had used the exact same makeup for a brand new species I doubt it would get even a fraction of the criticism. I would just say that redesigning the iconic and much beloved TNG/DS9 Klingons in the first place was the biggest mistake. More people probably dislike that they changed at all, and not even really what they changed into. Nobody was asking for it and we have loved the TNG/TMP design for decades, so it stands to reason that there would be some resistance to it... and most trek fans didn't like at least season 1 of discovery in general, which probably makes the new Klingons even harder to accept.

People gonna hate, but you are spot on.

First of all you're wrong you don't understand the franchise. No, I actually agree with your top two. Your points about the Kelvin Klingons are spot-on, It's just sad the movie was so bad that I haven't seen it since it was in theaters and I honestly forgot that the Klingons were even changed. The bottom two however are easily the other way around. While the original series used minimal makeup out of necessity, in the following shows it was praised for allowing the actors to show their faces and actually perform. With all the resources the discovery crew have, screwing that up is indicative of everything about the show. Star Trek works when they put the characters and story before the mumbo jumbo and the discovery Klingons embody their failure.

Ah !! Af ellow colour blind Scottish guy! . It warms my heart. I like the Kelvin timeline Klingon's 2, for what it's worth...

Klingons weren't a warrior speices until the h'Urq invaded in the 1500s before that they were a poetic agrarian society , they did become expansionist but the warrior cult didn't become dominatnt untill the 2100s . Durring the 20th century they were lest warlike than humans by a lot.

Kelvin Klingon were strangely attractive

I feel the Kelvin timeline Klingons just look like somekind of 40k rip off. I even forgot they were Klingons.

Did the xindi reptiles take their fashion sense from discovery Klingons?

Hit the nail on the head with the disco klingons, it's not the worst design (for the most part) but the makeup really held the actors back. Definitely preferred the season two klingons with hair also