STAR TREK Logical Thinking #49 - Just World Fallacy

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CHDanhauser

Жыл бұрын

Educational PSA where Mister Spock corrects some crewmembers after overhearing them employing a logical fallacy in their discussions.
Had NBC decided to teach principles of sound reasoning in the mid-1970's they could do no better than to have the logical Mister Spock do the teaching. As an addition to the the two-dozen or so Public Service Announcements I created featuring the animated crew of the Starship Enterprise, I have created a new series of PSAs featuring Mr. Spock called "Logical Thinking." Using the Vulcan science officer to educate them in proper reasoning is "Only Logical" as he states at the end of each PSA.
Done in the style of Filmation's 1973-75 Animated STAR TREK series.

Пікірлер: 99
@Barbutt
@Barbutt Жыл бұрын
Spock: “…Oh, and nurse, you’re relieved of duty until Mr. Jenkins is discharged from sick bay. Return to your quarters.”
@3dgym3DIa
@3dgym3DIa Жыл бұрын
Spock, you're not reading between the lines. Jenkin's subordinates tried to frag him.
@squeakhawk01
@squeakhawk01 6 ай бұрын
That reminds me of the recurring joke on Lower Decks about the Romulan and Klingon crewmembers constantly plotting to off their superior officers.
@videojomo
@videojomo Жыл бұрын
"I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do."
@ILikeMyPrivacytbt
@ILikeMyPrivacytbt 8 ай бұрын
He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. -Mathew 5:45
@Rfk1966
@Rfk1966 Жыл бұрын
Spock hears everything. The crew needs to wait until he’s in the turbolift before engaging in random chatter
@MrChupacabra555
@MrChupacabra555 Жыл бұрын
"Mind your own business, you Pointy Eared, Green Blooded, Hobgoblin Sonofabitch!!"......all words McCoy has used in reference to Spock in the show or movies 😂 Also: Let me have my fallacy that the bad things that happen to some people are because they treated me like crap before, if you please? 😏
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Жыл бұрын
But then how would they learn?
@wtk6069
@wtk6069 Жыл бұрын
Those big ears aren't just for show.
@johnalang
@johnalang 4 ай бұрын
Kirk: Where are you going, Spock? Spock: I'm going to eavesdrop on peoples' conversations and point out their fallacies
@taxman3749
@taxman3749 Жыл бұрын
As much as I like these, I would like to see someone who doesn't care or have time for Mister Spock. McCoy; "I didn't ask you, now did I? Take your logic and walk off a pier, you green-blooded gremlin."
@raywallacefan7786
@raywallacefan7786 Жыл бұрын
Another McCoy reaction: "Spock, you're really starting to piss me off! I'm leaving." Spock: "That would be best!"
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan Жыл бұрын
In a perfect world... we would have CHDanhauser videos everyday.
@sandal_thong8631
@sandal_thong8631 Жыл бұрын
If Spock had hooked up with Nurse "My name is Christine" Chapel, then maybe he wouldn't have needed to return to Vulcan in "Amok Time." He was with Leila Kalomi on Earth 7 years earlier, where they may have hooked up, though he couldn't put his arms around her in public. It was kind of sad when she wants to hold hands with him in "This Side of Paradise" and he puts his behind his back. But perhaps Spock dismissed Chapel as a romantic partner and wife because Chapel didn't bother to learn logical thinking and reasoning! (Two of his three romantic interests on TOS being blondes, the second in "The Cloud Minders.")
@DunedinMultimedia2
@DunedinMultimedia2 Жыл бұрын
TOS Christine Chapel was so dull. Strange New Worlds Christine Chapel is much more interesting and this time, the actress who plays her wasn't cast because she was the show runner's side piece.
@TedSeeber
@TedSeeber Жыл бұрын
We do not now, and never will, live in a just world.
@DarthBorehd
@DarthBorehd Жыл бұрын
Mr Danheuser, your videos are great.
@terencemangan9193
@terencemangan9193 Жыл бұрын
I could use some 'that would be best' merch. It's only logical.
@SkyP1e
@SkyP1e Жыл бұрын
Sometimes I wish it weren't a fallacy
@toddfraser3353
@toddfraser3353 Жыл бұрын
So all the bad things that happen to you will because you deserve it?
@jasontoddman7265
@jasontoddman7265 Жыл бұрын
@@toddfraser3353 *I* could live with that if people like Putin had to deal with the same.
@furryfriend43
@furryfriend43 Жыл бұрын
the first and only time (albeit in animated form) where Chapel and Rand have a scene together in a TOS episode! A long time coming! Well done! :)
@kurtb8474
@kurtb8474 Жыл бұрын
Victoria Jackson as Janice Rand.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Жыл бұрын
She does need a hefty dose of logic...
@KW-gb9cd
@KW-gb9cd Жыл бұрын
"Oh! I should reassess my thinking!" Has any woman ever said that?
@B9M3
@B9M3 10 ай бұрын
That's why this is called "science fiction" LOL.
@kimwelch4652
@kimwelch4652 Жыл бұрын
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That applies to social systems as well as Newtonian physics, but it also has no moral content.
@klyanadkmorr
@klyanadkmorr 8 ай бұрын
Star Trek Deep Space Nine - Ferengi Rules of Acquisition 'No Good Deed Goes UNPUNISHED'
@michaelgideon8944
@michaelgideon8944 Ай бұрын
Mr Spock definately follows rule No. 7. "Keep your ears open."
@BKLYN_TZU
@BKLYN_TZU Жыл бұрын
This is great it's really impressive that you can hear them walking 😆🤣😂😆🤣
@kingbeauregard
@kingbeauregard Жыл бұрын
Spock and Chapel have a much more enjoyable rapport on "Strange New Worlds".
@itsmeekers
@itsmeekers Жыл бұрын
I love these they make me Happy.
@B9M3
@B9M3 10 ай бұрын
SNW makes Spock look like an effeminate loser. These 3-minute cartoons on KZfaq are more canonical than any of the new pseudo-Trek on Paramount+.
@kingbeauregard
@kingbeauregard 10 ай бұрын
@@B9M3 Show me someone who accuses other men of being "effeminate" and I'll show you someone who has never had a happy girlfriend.
@dodopod
@dodopod 8 ай бұрын
This comes dangerously close to elevating a metaphysical principle (viz that the world is unfair) to a feature of logic. The Just World Fallacy is a fallacy when someone accepts that some things are deserved, and others aren't, but then jumps to the conclusion that everything is deserved, in practice. Someone who legitimately believes that "what goes around comes around" isn't committing a fallacy. Their argument may be unsound, but it is valid. This sort of thing happens with other fallacies too, like the Reification Fallacy. Also, no one actually commits the fallacy in the video. While Nurse Chapel uses phrases like "everything happens for a reason," she actually argues that Lt. Jenkins deserved his burns based on his treatment of others. The idea that there's a cosmic order behind it is just set dressing.
@LossyLossnitzer
@LossyLossnitzer Жыл бұрын
Oh, that reminds me of HR videos
@wormwood7822
@wormwood7822 Жыл бұрын
This is lovely! :)
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@ThePariahDark
@ThePariahDark Жыл бұрын
Actually when people do morally good and just things people want to reward them for it, if they themselves are good natured. People who do morally bad or reprehensible things usually get their punishment by action or inaction of the people around them who perceive their actions as such. It is akin to a self-fulfilling destiny, if you do bad things around people who can notice it, you have it coming. In a vacuum, like killing someone with no witnesses and no way for anyone to see evidence of your actions, no cosmic force will judge you, this is correct.
@barreloffun10
@barreloffun10 Жыл бұрын
I think I missed this episode
@smeri1
@smeri1 Жыл бұрын
Spock put the logic smackdown on them.
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield Жыл бұрын
I hear this one a lot! Is it me or was Chapel's cheek slap a bit louder than usual at the end of the skit? Maybe she was extra embarrassed for making such an illogical error...
@wtk6069
@wtk6069 Жыл бұрын
Who wouldn't be if they were still messing it up after so many lessons?
@user-ug2hk3go6i
@user-ug2hk3go6i 10 ай бұрын
Meh. She deserved it.
@timmckee2813
@timmckee2813 Жыл бұрын
...the saying...be safe...isnt that...impossible...?...be lucky...
@jonathanmyers2867
@jonathanmyers2867 Жыл бұрын
Hello! Are you going to upload new episodes of Star Trek Animated on your KZfaq channel?
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser Жыл бұрын
Yes. One is currently in the works.
@jerrycarter7843
@jerrycarter7843 Жыл бұрын
So what goes around doesn't come around?
@thelaughinghyenas8465
@thelaughinghyenas8465 Жыл бұрын
It's not a logical argument to convince. It's a statement of non-sympathy when a well known asshole gets it.
@rubenvas_ch
@rubenvas_ch Жыл бұрын
Sería genial que adaptaran el fanfilm "Star Trek: Continúa" en el formato de la serie animada... 😁🖖
@itsmootdamnitnotmute905
@itsmootdamnitnotmute905 Жыл бұрын
This is great. Targets my (60+) generation - who so desperately need a reminder - accurately. Moreover, it may draw some (WTF?!?) interest from millenials (and younger) for whom this sort of material is so old it's retro-new. An iconically delivered pop-culture lesson in rational cognition is a big step up the ladder out of the current societal cess-pit of state/corporate sactioned mindlessness.
@RobinTheBot
@RobinTheBot Жыл бұрын
And then Spock take to himself alone in a room. Now who's crazy?
@GadZookz
@GadZookz Жыл бұрын
I thought the Federation was supposed to be that cosmic force.
@user-ug2hk3go6i
@user-ug2hk3go6i 10 ай бұрын
A refutation of karma?
@LightOfReason7
@LightOfReason7 Жыл бұрын
While I agree with this in a vacuum, we do not live in a vacuum. If the guy was a jerk to people than those same people will be less likely to notice if he is about to put himself in danger, they would mind their own business and not get involved. This is a rare example of the logic being true, but not the real world practice. Don't be a jerk and folks will care enough for you to look out for you
@jasontoddman7265
@jasontoddman7265 Жыл бұрын
Spock is assuming that the Universe did not have a helping hand from another engineer with a grudge against the one who got hurt. 👹 Wouldn't this be a logical fallacy all its own? 😬
@mikesharkey2010
@mikesharkey2010 Жыл бұрын
It's not a logical fallacy. It's a failure of understanding of social motivations of individuals Spock could understand that Mr Jenkins is seen to be an unpleasant and disagreeable individual. He was missing the social dynamic skills to realize that there could be retaliation or revenge brought about by those distressed.
@johannpopper1493
@johannpopper1493 Жыл бұрын
One is free to presume any negative, but immediately burdened with the need to prove any positive presumptions of a non-deductive (i.e. inductive) character.
@leovalverde1508
@leovalverde1508 Жыл бұрын
So Spock doesn't believe in karma.
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates Жыл бұрын
no... but he does believe in ligma.
@Kinglore2000
@Kinglore2000 Жыл бұрын
Or God for that matter.
@mikesharkey2010
@mikesharkey2010 Жыл бұрын
Or he hasn't heard the term "fragging", and why an ill-tempered. Unpopular officer just might be subject to such.
@leovalverde1508
@leovalverde1508 Жыл бұрын
He believes that "the universe will unfold as it should."
@bayareaartist999
@bayareaartist999 Жыл бұрын
nurse Chapel and yeoman Rand...
@carlpeterson8182
@carlpeterson8182 Жыл бұрын
Divine providence is not a logical fallacy. Also saying that people deserve to suffer is not a logical fallacy either. The Just world fallacy is if you believe the reason someone is suffering has to be because they deserved it more than someone else.
@416dl
@416dl Жыл бұрын
Are we going to see a mash up with StarTrek and The Ambiguously Gay Duo? Let's hope so..LOL
@wesleydickens9283
@wesleydickens9283 Жыл бұрын
Sounds to me like Spock committed the irrelevant conclusion and argument from ignorance fallacies. Spock does not know the just world does not exist, nor does he know why people experience suffering or joy. Nurse Chapel's bias is irrelevant to the actuality of a just world. Spock has a bias toward a logical world. If Spock upholds the concept of Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations, then he ought to understand the just world is one of those possible infinite combinations.
@Strive1324L
@Strive1324L Жыл бұрын
Well there is good and evil in the world, and our actions one day will be judged. Logic or no logic.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Жыл бұрын
Whatever nonsense gets you through the day...
@Strive1324L
@Strive1324L Жыл бұрын
@@dupersuper1938 One day to you it won't be.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Жыл бұрын
@@Strive1324L When your cult grabs me, stuffs me in a van and drives me back to your compound to brainwash me? I'll have to bridge that cross when I get nailed to it.
@Strive1324L
@Strive1324L Жыл бұрын
@@dupersuper1938 Your pun isn't amusing. And I'll even quote Spock: it's illogical.
@dupersuper1938
@dupersuper1938 Жыл бұрын
@@Strive1324L I have a feeling you're never amused regarding this silly topic.
@ZMikluscak
@ZMikluscak Жыл бұрын
Just a bunch of word gymnastics to tell people there is no such thing as a higher power, justice, or consequence for good or bad action/choices. Crazy I think we have fallen so far in our humanity.
Wait for the last one! 👀
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