STAR TREK Logical Thinking #63 - Bad Faith & False Attribution

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CHDanhauser

4 ай бұрын

Educational PSA where Mister Spock corrects some crewmembers after overhearing them employing a logical fallacy in their discussions.
Had NBC decided to teach principles of sound reasoning in the mid-1970's they could do no better than to have the logical Mister Spock do the teaching. As an addition to the the two-dozen or so Public Service Announcements I created featuring the animated crew of the Starship Enterprise, I have created a new series of PSAs featuring Mr. Spock called "Logical Thinking." Using the Vulcan science officer to educate them in proper reasoning is "Only Logical" as he states at the end of each PSA.
Done in the style of Filmation's 1973-75 Animated STAR TREK series.

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@jercoxthealmighty
@jercoxthealmighty 4 ай бұрын
Great video, as always. It would be hilarious if Markel was reduced in rank next time we saw him.
@danielkover7157
@danielkover7157 4 ай бұрын
"And I would've gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for these damn Vulcans."
@mowingcowboy
@mowingcowboy 4 ай бұрын
Spock's voice is spot on. Well Done.
@fluffysheap
@fluffysheap 4 ай бұрын
*Spock on
@Eltrio2
@Eltrio2 4 ай бұрын
Markel: [Brags about being a douchewaffle] Spok: I'm about the end this man's whole career.
@MichaelBattaglia
@MichaelBattaglia 4 ай бұрын
Douchewaffle 💀
@rsacchi100
@rsacchi100 4 ай бұрын
Either that or Commander Spock will address him as "Admiral" before too long.🙂
@RichardX1
@RichardX1 4 ай бұрын
Literally.
@HighlanderNorth1
@HighlanderNorth1 Ай бұрын
If only ^this Spock would explain these logical fallacies and bad faith arguments to the DNC.
@Mereologist
@Mereologist 4 ай бұрын
"REPORT TO THE AGONY BOOTH!"
@3dgym3DIa
@3dgym3DIa 4 ай бұрын
"Thank you, Commander Spock." Both stare blankly at Spock waiting for him to leave.
@BradiKal61
@BradiKal61 4 ай бұрын
Now Spock needs to go have a chat with the Emperor and tell him that the new Death Star will not be operational on schedule
@rsacchi100
@rsacchi100 Ай бұрын
That would be a good one.
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage 4 ай бұрын
LOL! Spock had a busy day at that concert. There was a LOT of crew members using a lot of illogical thinking that day! I've seen maybe 6 episodes based on this concert. But all joking aside, I sure love learning about these logical thinking issues. This is a great series!
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
Thanks! Glad you appreciate my efforts!
@MatthewCaunsfield
@MatthewCaunsfield 4 ай бұрын
I know what you mean, I get deja vu every time we revisit the concert scenario 😂
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage 4 ай бұрын
@@CHDanhauser As always. I never miss one of these. I should go back and watch them again though. I tend to forget how all these illogical arguments work. - But I do like the one with Harry Mudd in the brig talking with Cyrano Jones - By Whisky.
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage 4 ай бұрын
@@MatthewCaunsfield And it's the same two people. So you would think that Lt. Bryce would give up talking to Mr. Markell or report him to higher ranking officers at this point since he's always the one telling her this crappy stuff that he did.
@mec1
@mec1 4 ай бұрын
It is logical for @CHDanhauser to use this scene when making a concerted effort to address logical fallacies.
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 4 ай бұрын
These should've been made about 40 years ago but thank you they're funny cute and relevant. And yeah I watch those cartoons on the first run
@MisterMarin
@MisterMarin 4 ай бұрын
One thing I've learned from these videos is that Spock has a habit of eavesdropping on other crewmembers' conversations and, apparently, nothing better to do but to correct their logic. Perhaps Kirk should assign him more work. I believe Mr. Scott could always use an extra pair of hands down in the Engineering. It is only logical. 🖖
@jdlech
@jdlech 4 ай бұрын
This stuff should be taught in high school.
@Donleecartoons
@Donleecartoons 4 ай бұрын
I would think impersonating one's superior officer (which is effectively what LCDR Dipshit here did with that voice recording) might be frowned upon too. But Spock might be limited in whatche could do to punish a past action about which he only overheard. Useful, though, to let Markel know that sehlat ain't gonna hunt where Jimmy T.'s concerned.
@user-ug2hk3go6i
@user-ug2hk3go6i 4 ай бұрын
I would think that with a crew of 400+ there would be a good deal of talented people to offer live performances.
@Uruz2012
@Uruz2012 4 ай бұрын
The average person can personally know/remember around 150-200 people. How many people do you know who aren't professional musicians that you'd also like to listen to on a regular basis? Now double that number...
@user-ug2hk3go6i
@user-ug2hk3go6i 4 ай бұрын
@@Uruz2012 The number of shipmates an individual crew member may know or remember does not address the talents any crew member may have. Lt. Uhuru sometimes sang on episodes of STOS and Dr. Crusher had organized a play in an episode of NG.
@trevinbeattie4888
@trevinbeattie4888 4 ай бұрын
​@@Uruz2012There ought to be an episode here about Hasty Generalization or the Fallacy of Unrepresentative Samples.
@c.j.nyssen6987
@c.j.nyssen6987 4 ай бұрын
I love everything about this episode. Thank you!
@qetoun
@qetoun 4 ай бұрын
''Damn his Vulcan hearing.''
@mudvalve
@mudvalve 4 ай бұрын
What a concert!!! 😂
@mattproctor4333
@mattproctor4333 4 ай бұрын
These are sooooo good! I'm so glad you make these! I LOVE the animated series! I even had it on videocassette!
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
I'm so glad you like them!
@hoosez
@hoosez 4 ай бұрын
Nice, slightly extended psa. Tells a story in 2min. And gives a lesson with the other three. 🖖
@franklyanogre00000
@franklyanogre00000 4 ай бұрын
Love the show! Great edits!
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
Thanks a bunch!
@BobHibbert
@BobHibbert 4 ай бұрын
@ChrstphreCampbell
@ChrstphreCampbell 4 ай бұрын
& yet - Spock failed to provide a reasonable & functional solution; which would simply be to promise The team something that could be delivered ?
@OpenBiolabsGuy
@OpenBiolabsGuy 4 ай бұрын
Spock: Furthermore, I will be submitting a report to the Inspector General concerning what I’ve heard today.
@morlockmeat
@morlockmeat 4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised he wasn't thrown into the brig.
@robbranigin2645
@robbranigin2645 4 ай бұрын
fantastic!
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Cheers!
@machf00
@machf00 4 ай бұрын
I remember someone doing something VERY similar to this some years ago at a place where I worked...
@TheOneTrueDragonKing
@TheOneTrueDragonKing 4 ай бұрын
Another good segment CH.
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 3 ай бұрын
Thank you! I'm glad you appreciated it.
@TheOneTrueDragonKing
@TheOneTrueDragonKing 3 ай бұрын
@@CHDanhauser I like all your stuff, but I wish your Star Trek The Animated Series continuation.. um.... continued. Whatever happened to it? Did CBS/Paramount get on your aft over it? Or was it my... ahem... harsh commentary over the voice acting that one time? If so, I'm sorry about that. I did mean what I said, but could definitely have been nicer about it.
@KW-gb9cd
@KW-gb9cd 4 ай бұрын
And you know that the man and woman are both thinking, "Just agree with him and he'll stop talking and go away. Please, God, make him go away."
@jerrycarter7843
@jerrycarter7843 3 ай бұрын
I can't wait until McCoy to give him what for for over analysation!
@S1nwar
@S1nwar 4 ай бұрын
this fallacy is one of those things that start harmless or without consequences on a small scale or when noone notices and can get wildly out of hand...
@docsavage8640
@docsavage8640 4 ай бұрын
Flint the Immortal gives a lot of concerts
@mudvalve
@mudvalve 4 ай бұрын
“Spock calls out a liar on the Enterprise”! 😉
@jonathanmyers2867
@jonathanmyers2867 4 ай бұрын
Hi! Are you start planning for the Star Trek Animated Webisodes on your channel? Because I love this animation!
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
I have already created several webisodes which are on my channel. I assume you mean when is the next one? The next one is in the storyboard stage with some scenes already rendered. It will be a long one (~50 min).
@thecaptain6730
@thecaptain6730 4 ай бұрын
That is wonderful news! Can’t wait to see it! 🙏
@JohnDlugosz
@JohnDlugosz 4 ай бұрын
What bothered me was the very beginning when Kirk just wondered off the bridge without announcing a change in command.
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 3 ай бұрын
Just before Kirk walked off he said "I am heading down to Deck Seven in a moment. When I do, Mister Kyle, you'll have the conn." ;-)
@timbuktu8069
@timbuktu8069 4 ай бұрын
I still want to see Kirk argue with a computer.
@r0bw00d
@r0bw00d 4 ай бұрын
Who da thunk it? Lying is a logical fallacy!
@PerspectiveEngineer
@PerspectiveEngineer 4 ай бұрын
Worse... its lying
@KlaxontheImpailr
@KlaxontheImpailr Ай бұрын
That team had better be compensated for Markel's bs
@geoffk777
@geoffk777 3 ай бұрын
People said that the original TOS was "too cerebral". That probably wasn't true, but it was definitely true of the Saturday morning cartoon series. Did they really expect young kids to absorb this?
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 3 ай бұрын
These Logic lessons were created in the last eleven years in the style of the 1970s series and educational PSAs. Theses were not seen on TV in the 1970s.
@franklyanogre00000
@franklyanogre00000 4 ай бұрын
Kirk voice needs. More. Unneccessary. Pauses.
@hoosez
@hoosez 4 ай бұрын
You are...... Absolutely....................... Right. 🖖
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage 4 ай бұрын
And less smoking! LOL!
@Barbutt
@Barbutt 4 ай бұрын
You are…. Of course…. Right.
@jtkirkfan2002
@jtkirkfan2002 4 ай бұрын
I keep waiting for him to say, "I'm Batman!"
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage
@MonsterHobbiesModelCarGarage 4 ай бұрын
@@jtkirkfan2002 I'm Kirkman! or "I'm Shatman!" LOL!
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 4 ай бұрын
Since the Vulcans did this with this with the Andorians, I really can't take Spock's side with this one...
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
That was more than 100 years before this. Spock had nothing to do with that. By your reasoning, no Germans, Italians or Japanese should be listened to no matter what they say because of what their nations did 80 years ago. Right?
@jasontoddman7265
@jasontoddman7265 2 ай бұрын
May I refer you to the previous video about Presentism, which answers your statement by Mr. Spock himself.
@jasontoddman7265
@jasontoddman7265 2 ай бұрын
@@CHDanhauser And didn't you just do a video on this very same logic error? :-)
@user-hc9qv9yb9m
@user-hc9qv9yb9m 4 ай бұрын
All Seeing Eye eh?
@DarthBorehd
@DarthBorehd 4 ай бұрын
Isn't that the same opening as #56?
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan 4 ай бұрын
Yes it is! Same footage in full just new dialogue for the logical fallacies part - it saved on budget! The writers and actor strike really hurt. ;)
@Pseudowolf
@Pseudowolf 4 ай бұрын
How has that guy not been court-martialed yet? Does Spock just tell them about logical fallacies but forgets what he’s admitting to?
@DeconvertedMan
@DeconvertedMan 4 ай бұрын
@@Pseudowolf Star Fleet has no rules against logical fallacies per say.
@user-ug2hk3go6i
@user-ug2hk3go6i 4 ай бұрын
@@DeconvertedMan But Star Fleet does have regulation against intentional deceit of crew members. Spock notes that the officer's conduct was against regulations for a senior officer. Spock does not directly say this is a potential court martial offense but it is perhaps tacitly implied.
@SupremeGreatGrandmaster
@SupremeGreatGrandmaster 4 ай бұрын
@@DeconvertedMan "Per se", not "per say". At least your usage is correct. Etymology Borrowed from Latin per sē (“by itself”), from per (“by, through”) and sē (“itself, himself, herself, themselves”). Without determination by or involvement of extraneous factors; by its very nature. Synonyms: see Thesaurus:intrinsically Some people say that a hangover is caused by impurities in the drink, not by the alcohol per se. (colloquial, sometimes proscribed, chiefly in the negative) In a true or literal sense; as one would expect from the name or description. It's not a museum per se, but they do have some interesting artifacts. (philosophy) As the principle of its own determination and positing itself. (law) Not leaving discretion to the judge to take into account additional factors that could rebut the judgment, deriving the qualification from the statute. The law makes drunk driving illegal per se.
@Nala15-Artist
@Nala15-Artist 4 ай бұрын
Am I crazy or is this a re-upload??
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
No. This is a new one. However, three previous Logic Lesson videos share the same intro which features the concert.
@jayskull935
@jayskull935 4 ай бұрын
Isn't this a reupload?
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 4 ай бұрын
No. This is a new one. However, three previous Logic Lesson videos share the same intro which features the concert.
@johnalang
@johnalang 4 ай бұрын
Flint needs to learn some new tunes
@dr.robertjohnson6953
@dr.robertjohnson6953 3 ай бұрын
Spock travels from the future to warn us of Veganisms attempt at logic. 👍
@abrown6539
@abrown6539 4 ай бұрын
What exactly is a fallacy, then? I've never thought of outright lies as "fallacies". I've always conceived of them as errors in thinking. A lie is not an error.
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 2 ай бұрын
The point being made is that even if it is not a traditional "fallacy" bad faith and false attribution - outright lying - are all forms of bad reasoning and thus illogical. The same with gaslighting. I wanted to depict all forms of bad reasoning and specifically name and explain them.
@Nonamearisto
@Nonamearisto Ай бұрын
The entire crew stood in fear that they'd get a lecture from Spock. "Excuse me gentlemen. I couldn't help but overhear you committed the logical fallacy of-" That half-Vulcan wouldn't last a day on the (Reimagined) Galactica. Maybe half a day on Moya.
@ericerpelding2348
@ericerpelding2348 4 ай бұрын
Intentional deception is not a fallacy, it's just wrong.
@CHDanhauser
@CHDanhauser 3 ай бұрын
It is a fallaceous way or arguing in addition to being deception. It can be both.
@Barbutt
@Barbutt 4 ай бұрын
This on the heels of Chuck ShoeSmear admitting money to foreign wars won’t help, but make us, “look good”.
@johnchristopher5733
@johnchristopher5733 4 ай бұрын
Can we assume he was written up?
@Eltrio2
@Eltrio2 4 ай бұрын
Written up, chewed out, and forced to sit in the corner.
@zoppie
@zoppie 4 ай бұрын
@@Eltrio2It happened on another ship, so it should have been handled by those officers. Spock would have questionable jurisdiction over this matter, especially this long after the fact. But he made the right move letting the man know that his confession was heard and that this sort of behavior wouldn't be tolerated on the Enterprise.
@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst 4 ай бұрын
He could have said he was lying to impress the lady.
@STho205
@STho205 4 ай бұрын
​@@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst but that continues and compounds the first fallacy. False information to argue his point and mislead the lieutenant hoping to fraudulently lure her into a relationship.
@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst
@GermanSausagesAreTheWurst 4 ай бұрын
@@STho205 I didn't mean that he should do that. I meant that it is a possible thing he could do to prevent being punished since we only have his word for what happened. I suppose if it was real, Spock could investigate and potentially find more evidence, but it really doesn't matter because it is a cartoon, and that is not even what this cartoon is about. So maybe we can not argue over something that is so entirely inconsequential? I'm old and my time on this planet is short. I would prefer to not have to justify every comment I make on a cartoon, when there are better things I could be doing.
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