Especially when you consider he hadn't been in the role for a very long time, having to slip back into that character speaks a lot to his talent.

Spiner is a fantastic actor.

Absolute facts.

He was on the rebooted Night Court again. Hysterical!!

Spot is still around driving him crazy... lol

It's almost like Dr Soong knew exactly what he was doing making Data and Lore...brothers

It's absolutely, and I cannot understate this, absolutely incredible that somehow the already fantastic Picard season 3 managed to inject this scene into the show. It's the ultimate Data/Lore closure we never knew we needed and also never ever thought we would get.

Soong tried to create a new version of data with emotion, but he overshot by alot which became lore. So his new iteration was all emotion and no ethics. He did not create lore like that on purpose.

@@common_c3nts Never said he did. Just saying that, given what they were created as, the flaws in their programming could only ever be resolved by merging them together.

@@common_c3nts Lore was created BEFORE Data. Data is the younger brother

and yet he tried to kill once, then lied to Riker about the phaser or scanner "being incorrect"

@@AzguardMike That was left ambiguous and does not negate a single point made.

@AzguardMike I thought that the decision to pull the trigger was based on the collector admitting that he would keep killing people to get what he wanted. 'I'll kill him next, or someone like him. Put down the disruptior.' Paired with: 'I can not allow this to continue.' It seemed like a logical conclusion. The collector had been quite effective evading legal consequences. He would not have evaded a point blank disruptor bolt.

This is incorrect. Re-watch the the original TV show. Lore was given love and affection when he was first created. He was surrounded by humans who tried to connect with him and show him affection. But Lore rejected their love. He felt superior to humans and even became resentful against them. Lore's barely respected his father, and his personality became so toxic that he had to be deactivated.

@@TheBigExclusive I can find no reference on Memory Alpha that Lore was shown any affection by the colonists, only that he ended up scaring them when the unstable parts of his personality emerged. But even then, you are missing a piece of the puzzle. There is no way Soong could've deactivated Lore against his will, unless he had a remote off-switch, or, probably more likely, Soong outright deceived Lore and deactivated him under a pretense. Soong has made it clear several times that he considers Data and Lore his children. Now imagine putting your child in a coma because they don't behave the way you wanted them to. And when Lore was reactivated, what was the first thing he saw? It wasn't his father, it was Data - the Android that was supposed to replace him. One that even looks exactly like Lore on the outside. We never saw how Lore interacted with Soong prior to his encounter with the Enterprise-Crew, but the interactions we saw afterwards make it clear that Lore has conflicting feelings about his father. He hates him for the apparent betrayal, yet still loves him and seeks his approval, to the point where, when he learns that Soong is dying, he is initally in denial, despite knowing how old Soong is by human standards. Then he takes the emotion chip, primarily to spite both his father and his brother, but fails to consider the impact of essentially having two emotion-programs running at the same time (Lore already has advanced emotions), leading to him becoming even more unstable. There is definitely a tragic aspect to Lore. Even him calling the Crystalline Entity to destroy the colony can be interpreted a bit more charitably - if Lore considered the possibility of the colonists trying to kill him, he might have set up the message to the Entity as a dead man's switch, making sure that if he were to be killed, he would take the colony with him.

Unfortunately, no. The real spot was a female and she gave birth to a litter on an episode of TNG. Whoops haha.

each in their own way suck.

@@nonrepublicratyou sound bitter

And that is why is the "Terran Empire" universe, Lore was the choice for the Soong Type Android. It was Data that was too "noble and kind" that was erased. Lore became a prominent figure in the Terran Empire. Being privately developed by Soong and Spock with funds being diverted by Fleet Admiral (Later Emperor) Spock. The only "alien" to ever sit on the Imperial Throne. And Lore was transferred to ISS Enterprise for a mission Spock had not revealed to Captain Picard. But still a useful device with Barclay even telling Lore/Data "The Captain has a soft spot for hard luck cases".

And because of those problems, he was thrown away and replaced. I'd be angry too.

@@randomlyentertaining8287 - Lore wasn't thrown away. Lore murdered his dad, destroyed his home Colony and its entire population, tried to kill even more children, and did brutal medical experiments on prisoners. Lore was eventually captured and deactivated. Lore wasn't some misunderstood child. He was an unstable danger to everyone around him.

​@@TheBigExclusiveit was bad coding, like lore and date work on the same core they just have other sub programs. someone just desing him not great, like Date wake up and start on some base have own moral code ect, lore probady have it total difrent, they not like humans who start from nothing.

I still will. He was arrogant, neurotic, childish, a bloody turd. But he is Data's brother, a son of their creator. A pretty respectable piece of writing here. In the end he wanted acceptance

I would say this result was more like a splash of lemon juice in a pitcher of water - now the combination is way better than before, even if what was added to the water was only very little.

​@@matasa7463- very good analogy.

Riker: Oh GOD it's that....CAT!

whatever

@@nonrepublicrat Witty.

Johann Fichte was right then. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis. An initial starting point, or thesis (data), which in turn creates or leads to an antithesis (lore), which then combines to create something new which combines both thesis and antithesis, the synthesis (the new data).

"Gaze not into the abyss, for the abyss gazes also into you." Friedrich Neitzsche.

Exactly my thought.

Brent brought it defeating his evil half by joinining

No no no. I am you and you are me. We are one, and one is we. Dont you see?

no, data says "...we are one now, we are ME" @@AzguardMike

If you've only seen this clip, I guess

I strongly agree. Lal was contained within Data, and they could have made it where she was the tipping point between Data and Lore. The love she had for her father would allow the two brothers to reconcile.

I don’t know. They were so desperate to give Data “daughters” yet completely ignored the existence of Lal. Now I’m not saying they should have brought her back to life, though I wouldn’t have opposed it either, but to have zero acknowledgment of her makes no sense.

​@@clintmatthews3500well, a big part of S2 was a daughter that Soong was trying to make perfect or whatever. And in S3, when they found Data I think it was explained that Lal was one of the personalities combined in the new hybrid version.

and this whole show was just a Mass Effect parody. Complete with Visions (Jack), roaring monolith ships (reepers) and the argument of organic vs synthetics. (season 1)

No.... Data absorbed Lore and integrated his code into himself. In a way they fused to form one complete personality.

I always loved lore

What is telling is that in "Brothers" Lore says "You could have fixed me. It was in your power to fix me." Soong basically says that it was too hard to do at that time, essentially blowing off Lore's complaint saying that he was going to get back to him...someday.

@@Solitaire001 I had always taken that to mean that Lore's brain was too complex for him to fix at that point. He needed to make Data to learn more about where he had gone wrong.

All it took was Kurtzman to let go and for Patrick Stewart to lighten up on his conditions (like not being captain of the enterprise again...which they largely honored)

I liked S1 and 2

​​@@Radb707has Patrick always had that in his contracts, I wonder? And I also wonder if that's a common thing now with ST, now that we have had so many shows.

God, I wish this was true. The world is literally run by evil people.

Why not? What an odd problem with such a great scene

Trek has been running for almost 60 years and you expect it to have NEW material? It's exhausted the tap, dude. There's only like 37 unique storylines in fiction, and you want them to reinvent the wheel for the millionth time and make it look like it never had been invented before.

@@impishrebel5969 what they really should have done, is moved forwards with it, after voyager. But they decided to go backwards with it, which has killed it. Picard i recon was a last hope to try and reboot it. But sadly i cannot see it going any further, plus Picard cocked a lot of stuff up too for my liking, Bringing in a new borg in season 2, was just a total joke. Season 3 where they still had to bring in the borg again, with the changelings, i was like for fuck sake, can you not have brought the dominion war into it.

YES I DO! And if Paramount would hire really talented writers and directors instead of WOKE Commies bent on "REWRITING" EVERYTHING, they might get some! For example how about telling the Star Trek story from a non-Human/Humanoid viewpoint? Other than Worf, who was raised by Humans ALL Picard's Cast were Humanoid sometimes with the addition of a few forehead ridges or nose bumps! Imagine a Space Station commanded by a Feline with ONLY one Human on the Command Staff! I HAVE! @@impishrebel5969

There was apparently a backup of Data with Dr. Soong's son. Dr. Soong's son wanted to create a synthetic body to upload his consciousness into, but for some reason or another, he decided not to put himself into it. Instead, he put together the consciousnesses of Data and Lore (as the main ones), B4 (from Nemesis, as secondary), and the memories of Soong's son and Lal (Data's daughter).

yeah it lost its way for me too, Season 1 practically lost it the direction it was going in, if it ever had one. i still think the final episode, was rewritten, when it got the green light for the second series. Second Series fucked the borg for me, so that put me right off, Came back for the 3rd series, and it was ok watch, but again it dropped off again, so didn't bother watching the end of the series. From what i have seen from the clips, i am not missing much.

Its said while he doesnt age like humans he made his apperance like this to better fit in with the people around him that did age.