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Star Trek The Original Series Ruminations S1E14: Court Martial
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@Scottlp2 3 жыл бұрын
Still remember the lawyer from all those years ago. Enjoyed the character/actor.
@eddstarr2185 3 жыл бұрын
For all its flaws, Court Martial contains my favorite plot twist. The storyline builds on the idea that Ben Finney is dead. Nothing is presented to indicate otherwise. Then Sam Cogley asks Kirk, under oath, "can someone elude a phase one search to remain hidden aboard a starship?". Kirk's reaction implies that even he never considered the idea that Ben Finney would fake his death and hide onboard the Enterprise, very much alive! The court martial was a diversion by Finney to buy time for him to sabotage the starship's engines.
@balatroaprilis7265 3 жыл бұрын
We've had GUIs for 30 years now and they still put the "close window" button right next to the "max/min" button. (And, don't get me started on the elevator box and bad arrows implementation.) Also, back in the '60s there was a perception that computers were infallible.
@melenatorr 3 жыл бұрын
A word in defense of Elisha Cook: this was a veteran of Old Hollywood, acting alongside the likes of Humphrey Bogart, and directed by people like John Huston. If he were not a professional and a man of talent, he would not have had the career he had, and the people who worked with him repeatedly wouldn't have done so. After this incident, he continued working and had a role as a regular on "Magnum PI", apparently with little to no problem learning his lines. My guess would be that his difficulty on "Star Trek" would have had something do with the circumstances of the episode itself more than any lack of talent or professionalism on his part.
@quantumskywalker6888 3 жыл бұрын
Maybe even little to no time to learn the lines, if he was working in multiple shows. I don't think I'm biased (I've only seen the actor in this show) but for me he was instantly likeable. Marlon Brando also did it in Godfather, so...
@user-do2ev2hr7h 2 жыл бұрын
It might be worth noting that back in that era there was more of a dividing line between the demands of television and film work than today and many talented actors had difficulty making the transition between the two.
@tim_nj_devil176 3 жыл бұрын
One thing that bothered me about this episode happened in the beginning when there was a delay when Spock was supposed to bring down the record log. I believe that LT Uhuru said there was a computer issue and when Spock arrived in Commodore Stone's office, he was noticeably distressed. As soon as Spock was about to answer Captain Kirk, Commodore Stone snatched the tape and the issue of the computer delay was never addressed again; obviously it relates to the altered video log and it is something that a defense attorney would have asked: Why was there a delay with the computer? What was the nature of the delay? In my opinion, I think the reason for Coglee's obsession with books is to contrast the nature of computer records, and it is hinted at in his speech. With books (a hard, physical copy) is unalterable; if it is in your hand, it cannot be changed, unlike computer records which is the crux of this episode. We are seeing that today with "Big Tech" being able to alter and delete digital copies. I think in Coglee's rhetoric, he is indirectly referring to this flaw with digital copies in that anyone with the capability to alter a record will do it.
@stuartwald2395 3 жыл бұрын
The delay was because Spock had seen the record and did not accept it (what it showed Kirk doing), and was doing a quick review in the limited time available.
@stevena488 3 жыл бұрын
This feels like the precursor to Measure of a Man, especially when it throws into the question of the validity of a computers perspective and that this paves the way for Datas (and the EMHs) rights issue when they go "A MAN has rights, a computer does not!" A tragically dark irony that a victory for Kirk paves the way for a *lack* of rights for Data and the Doctor.
@EnvisionerWill 3 жыл бұрын
Can't wait for "The Ultimate Computer" to get its Rumi.....
@nickcolbert9615 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah Measure of a Man was essentially a remake of this episode. Right down to Kirk (Picard) being a former flame of the prosecutor (JAG)
@muadeeb 3 жыл бұрын
It's OK about the computer hearing the heartbeats. It can only amplify them by 1^4 power. i.e. 1
@silvananoir 3 жыл бұрын
What I found interesting about this episode was the emphasis on the captain. That Captain is so incredibly important and must be Seen as infallible. And in order to continue that idea to the general public Captains who make a mistake are shuttled away out of sight and out of mind. That shows the cracks to me in the idealized Starfleet. That they would do this. It also shows maybe jealousy towards Kirk. Kirk was the youngest Captain, there must have been so many people who were jealous of his achievement like Finney. Finney is the only one who did anything about it. I also love th idea of Finney. Finney who stayed at the Academy way too long, Finney who was older than your typical young officer during his ship duties, Finney who made a mistake that could have blown up the ship. Finney who got reported by Kirk (simply doing his job). A mistake that normally would have been forgiven but affected Finney more than any other officer and hobbled his career because he stayed at the Academy way too long. Finney blames Kirk for his own choices yes, but this episode was way more interesting to me because of the look at the internal politics of Starfleet. Instead of the shiny veneer we get a peek that Starfleet is human.
@kellinwinslow1988 3 жыл бұрын
I think it was less about showing the cracks in Starfleet and more about an individual who was frustrated. Starfleet itself is good. The junk that they depicted in STD or Picard was so far away from the good Starfleet represents it made me sick. Yes there are people in the group who did things they shouldn't have ECT but they are always found and rooted out by the heroes as they should be. I always saw it as a character piece and not much else. I've always thought that Starfleet was human. The best human ideals and a beacon of hope for the galaxy. I've never felt the need to break it down or,like some people,use episodes like this as an excuse to justify the garbage that Bad Robot has been crapping out since 2009.
@rayvenkman2087 9 ай бұрын
@@kellinwinslow1988I look at the depiction of Starfleet as an organisation versus the main characters working for it in Star Trek TOS to Voyager as a case of a government who operates like any functioning government for good and bad while the main characters apart of Starfleet are either people who embodies the values and virtues that the Federation is supposed to uphold. The Kirks, the TNG Picards, the Siskos, etc. These are Starfleet folks who either have gone above and beyond the call of duty or have a strong character that separates them from the stock troupe. The badge/symbol to them is something that such be honoured even in spite of their personal shortcomings. Starfleet and the Federation at large may be the big good compared to the other superpowers but they’re still a government by the end of the day. It’s the good people serving them that makes them what they are. The ones who makes sure they don’t forget who they are; willing to fight them if they have to regardless of them being on the same side. To put it into comparison. The Autobots from Transformers has a number of bad characters wearing the badge but there are also a number of heroic characters like Optimus Prime that help set them apart from their Decepticon counterparts. Of course, that depends on the writers actually understanding the difference between the good men and the cause they serve. Not conflate the two. Starfleet on a good day can be great. On a bad day, they’re the worst. That’s what people like Kirk are around for; making sure the darkness doesn’t overtake the light. Be present as the balancers.
@comentedonakeyboard 3 жыл бұрын
Ah! The infamous "jettison pod" button. The pitfalls of plot convinience.
@kellinwinslow1988 3 жыл бұрын
The first Court episode of Star Trek? I believe so. Another Kirk episode is always welcome. I've always loved the part when they start talking about his accomplishments and the list is so long they ask to stop it. Makes me chuckle every time. It's been awhile since I've seen it and listening to Lore makes me want to go back and check it out again.
@christopherleodaniels7203 3 жыл бұрын
How is this a bottle episode, when we see a lot of Starbase 11, including: Stone’s office, a bar/lounge, Cogley’s apartment, and the courtroom?
@comentedonakeyboard 3 жыл бұрын
I think they reused a lot of the ship-sets 🤔
@thexalon 3 жыл бұрын
I can't help but notice the similarities between Cogley and Spencer Tracy's portrayal of the defense lawyer in Inherit the Wind.
@jabaribloodbane 3 жыл бұрын
I remember when I first saw this episode when I was younger. I just went the guy is alive ain't he to my father. Because I may have been young but I felt that is where it was going to.
@gordondavis6168 2 жыл бұрын
Episode is special to me: decades after I saw this episode I joined the United Air Force as a JAG officer and conducted hundreds of courts-martial.
@ThePerradox 3 жыл бұрын
Wonder if the Captain's chair jettison pod button was introduced on the ill-fated USS Mr Bean?
@DrewLSsix 2 жыл бұрын
It makes sense that they would have buttons designated as special use buttons. The pod was a risky item, Kirk wanted direct control over the risk so had the ejection system routed to the button.
@tmuny1380 10 ай бұрын
I love the fact that in a starship that can attain the speed of light they still need large adjustable wrenches to work on ships components ! In addition it's just left out on a table in a corner of engineering for Finny to attack captain Kirk !
@wolfsruhm 3 жыл бұрын
WEll lore you are wrong on one thing: Once they introduced Court Martial into Starfleet (evidently in the first Episode Starfleet is even a thing), it will always be a military, becuase of, like you said, it's a court martial, which is only held in a military enviroment. Also funny how the episode proper paints kind of a bad picture of the 'service' here, with the shady deal they offer Kirk, and yeah it makes you wonder how many captains have taken said deal. The books vs compter thign though: yeah my guess is, noone, even roddenberry seem to have ever guessed how the ease of having some kind of automated system basically in ever aspect of live, will come into being within just a few decades, in real live, and couldn't even imagine it to be a thing in the distant future of the 23rd century. Heck i would argue we nowadays to be more computorized then Star Trek ever was
@thexalon 3 жыл бұрын
Oh, and another "first" worth mentioning: I believe this is the first Commodore we see on Star Trek. We'll see another one in the Doomsday Machine, but they're really quite rare.
@mrred773 2 жыл бұрын
Court Martial - Green (I remember when I first watched this, Lore wanted to know if I noticed the part where Kirk has a button specifically for ejecting the pod. What a meme... This episode was fine I guess.)
@jamespepper8671 3 жыл бұрын
Jetison pod is a macro. That pretty much explains it. setting up a button as a decision maker, giving him direct control so that he doesn't have someone else make the decision. By turning that button into a macro based button, it can be used for any purpose different decisions set up to that button.
@wakirk 3 жыл бұрын
Actually, you know, ... think about it....... IF that button is a reprogrammable button, then there would be plenty of footage of kirk pressing that particular button in the system. All Finney had to do was copy paste the label of one video onto another. That kind of thing is very easy to do, memes do it all the time. This actually shows that Finney is really bad at computers because he screwed up the chess program copy pasting video footage. Maybe the "Games" library had Spock's Save file and he hacked it to get admin access? Bad Spock for having bad passwords!!! lol
@stanislavkostarnov2157 3 жыл бұрын
just to say... however incredible it is, technology that can sense/pick-out a specific heartbeat out of the noises of a building actually exists in our day... it is a real, DNN Neural-network based technology, (will not go into company names, but it is) something that was/is planned to be used for nursing homes with still active/mobile patients. a very real technology being used/programed now. so yes, that audio sensor is a step towards rather than beyond the kind of sensors they have in later star-dates of StarTrek.
@djhutchison 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the "Jettison Pod" button is ridiculous, but clearly the writers couldn't think of anything better. If Kirk needed to give a command to Spock, or another bridge officer, the doctored recording could be refuted by multiple people. If Kirk needed to go through some process; like inputting a specific code, he would never have doubted what he did. The heartbeat sensor was a really creative idea.
@cml898 3 жыл бұрын
The “Jettison Pod” button made me laugh at its absurdity. It felt like something out of an old Batman episode. “Monkeys with fangs are coming at us Robin! Good thing I put my spare primate fang remover in my utility belt before we left!” Also, one thing that bugged me the video didn’t touch upon. The episode makes it appear Finney’s grudge against Kirk is pretty well known. His career has stagnated over a mistake Kirk reported years ago. So why the (expletive of choice) would he be assigned to Kirk’s ship in the first place?
@George_M_ 3 жыл бұрын
I figure Starfleet tech is psychic - instantly translates language as it's spoken even though grammar doesn't work that way, and does what the user wants even though they keep pressing the same button.
@EnvisionerWill 3 жыл бұрын
Been waiting quite excitedly for you to reach this episode, @Lorerunner. This one is very special to me, because when I recently got TOS on DVD from my library and sat down to watch all the episodes in order, this was the first one (of perhaps three at most) which I watched and slowly realized I had never seen before. And besides being new, I also thought it was really, really good! I admit that the button thing is incredibly stupid, but props on TOS have always been terrible so I didn't really care; what mattered to me was that it was a thriller so tense that I actually wondered how Kirk was going to keep his career, despite knowing without question that he does. By memory of that single viewing, I would tentatively have called this the single best episode of season 1 (though that's probably wrong, I'll admit; Balance of Terror alone probably beats it, but I can't be objective enough to be sure on that yet). Season 2 is when TOS really gets good, of course; my #1 and #2 and probably #3 episodes are all there. But 1 has some good stuff, and I definitely count this one among those excellent episodes, solely on the strength of its characterization and drama.
@empirejeff 3 жыл бұрын
How can anyone not like this episode.
@Infernal460 3 жыл бұрын
It's one of my faves. Professionals being professional.
@LoreReloaded 3 жыл бұрын
Yaaaas! My body is ready.. my mind worried
@fredrikcarlstedt393 3 жыл бұрын
Every defendant in a court martial needs a stalwart defence attorney like Samuel T. Cogley provides for Kirk in this episode .
@ShadowStoryteller 3 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine just how "The Club" got started? This bunch of Admirals and Commodores all just using their power over the rest of the fleet? I wonder if the events of this episode led to the dissolution of "The Club" and the more formal posts in Starfleet Command? Or if this led for more straightforward officers like Nogura to eventually take over as Head of Starfleet? Just stuff to ponder...
@mikebell2112 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe for whatever reason, they don't actually have security camera like footage stored for every moment zoomed into every single button that exists. At a certain level, it's tokenized into finger 1 pushes eject pod at x time. Then for convenience, the data is reconstructed into something that looks like actual video. But they still know enough to call it a computer record of events.
@Tuning3434 3 жыл бұрын
I actually did some data filtering to distinguish cardiac signals by measuring human tissue movement. You can extract quite a lot by filtering out higher frequency content and especially by averaging out the relative repeatable cardiac cycle over the random noise generated (and technically you could even extract quite a lot of the machinery noises as they are predictable or even measured isolated too). It not real time though, and even in Star Trek technology, will not yield instantaneous data. However, questionable if noise detection would be a very efficient way to detect life forms, where others might be way more suitable.
@grimreaper6557 3 жыл бұрын
i agree contrary to Star Fleets public opinion it was a Military Unit and i agree with your look in to this episode Thanks for a great breakdown on it
@balatroaprilis7265 3 жыл бұрын
Wasn't Marlon Brando famous for not knowing his lines and needing cue cards on the set of "The Godfather"?
@maisiesummers42 3 жыл бұрын
With Brando he deliberately didn't learn them.
@comentedonakeyboard 3 жыл бұрын
Suposedly he even improvised his entire part in "Apocalypse Now"
@francoislacombe9071 3 жыл бұрын
Minor nit. Spock tells McCoy that he has won four games against the computer, but testifies in court that he has won five.
@comentedonakeyboard 3 жыл бұрын
Perhaps he has won another one?
@fredaf3700 3 жыл бұрын
Spock told McCoy that he was just about to win his 5th game, and the doctor stood there and watch him do so.
@francoislacombe9071 2 жыл бұрын
@@fredaf3700 The dialogue is clear. McCoy is appalled that Spock is playing chess while Kirk is about to lose his command. Spock replies that he is about to win his fourth game, which he demonstrates to McCoy. Both of them then leave for the courtroom, where Spock testifies that he has won a total of five games against Enterprise's computer. There was no time between his fourth victory and his testimony for him to play a fifth game.
@donovanbradford8231 3 жыл бұрын
The topic of sweeping a crime under the table for captains is brought up again in the expanded universe. In the book Burning Dreams covering Catp. Pike's life he temporarily had to serve under a captain who shot first asked questions later. Pike had to relive the captain of duty after he and the second officer caused an intergalactic incident. At the end of the event serval people died do to the captain's actions. And the captain was given a desk job but kept his rank while the second officer was discharged. Pike is shocked and disgusted by this, even more so when an admiral tells him Starfleet thought this captain was dirty by certain reports but had no real evidence so they sent Pike in because he was a honest person and would do the right thing. Pike after this whole event thinks of leaving the service because he realizes the shield means more to these people than justice, but stays when he is told you have the power to change this by being out there and doing the right thing. Also fun note the commodore of this base is not seen again but we do return to this star base in the only two parter of the series and a new commodore is in command I wonder why.
@tee_es_bee 2 жыл бұрын
Lot of decent interactions in the episode. Would have loved for the lawyer to get more screen time. The control panel was ridiculous. Not only the green button, but the blanks below that button.
@jackboren431 2 жыл бұрын
The button, though it's illogical, has to be there. Otherwise, Kirk would have had to order someone else to eject the pod, and they could then testify when the order was given during the events of the crisis.
@Helyyx 3 жыл бұрын
HEY! Captain..... LORD Garth is not crazed. Okay.
@wakirk 3 жыл бұрын
Man, I smell some cool story telling possibilities in the ToS era. "The Service", Mind Wipes, Crazed members like finny, For being the bright future of humanity, your pulling on threads that show Star Trek in a very dark light.... And it's Awesome! As if a cool narrative rides just under the surface that has yet to be told. . When you think about it, The movies end this era with a dooms day device (Genesis) and geocidal tendencies. (Star Trek VI).... There's sooooo much more on this dark side of Trek that needs to be told by good writers to show how Trek got out of this era to that "Peaceful" next gen era. Did flower power win or did the bad guys just dig in deeper?
@DrewLSsix 2 жыл бұрын
21:35 this is actually one of my most enduring issues with Discovery, the chearleading of federation and starfleet ideals is straight out of TNG and I always thought digging into the infamously wild west aspect of the era would have been interesting, and as season 1 panned out there were ample opportunities! Burnham going rogue was opportunity one. The more overt operations of Sec31, the desperate measures taken against the Klingons and the backdoor politicking that resolved the conflict . All were fertile for delving into the eras less than perfect portrayal in TOS but the dialog is all Picard berating people for not being perfect.
@holden3 2 жыл бұрын
In defense of the JETTISON BUTTON that button could programmable to the pertinent activity of the moment hence jettison button during this repair, could be another function next
@jamespepper8671 3 жыл бұрын
the Trial comes from the communist scare and blacklisting of the 50's. Kids were taught this in schools at the time, the red badge of courage a required reading. This episode for me is a time capsule of how people lives and worked at that time, the professionalism and formal procedures particularly in a military setting. the visual effect of the setting is very familiar to me of that era.
@holden3 2 жыл бұрын
Court martial, draw it ? I demand it!
@Eelco_de_Boer 3 жыл бұрын
Summary: Kirk is accused of criminal negligence causing the death of one of his subordinates, Lt. Commander Benjamin Finney, and is put on trial for his murder. Prosecutor Areel Shaw is an old acquaintance. (Can't remember this episode, which may say it all... :-)
@gordondavis6168 2 жыл бұрын
The first Law and Order episode
@fredaf3700 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't have more to say about Areel Shaw. Lousy attorney. She gets Kirk to talk about his case, and recommends a defense lawyer without revealing that she's the procutor, until AFTER thier conversation, Ex Parte and conflict of interest, since they once dated. It wouldn't have mattered if Kirk had been found guilty; her actions gave him an out on appeal, and she could have been disbarred. As for her handling of Spock's testimony - well she's no Jack McCoy, that's for sure.
@christheghostwriter 4 ай бұрын
This is a great episode and I think Lore really missed the boat (missed the pod?) on this one
@1300l 3 жыл бұрын
Press A on your Switch Pro Controller to /kill
@ieatvirgins 3 жыл бұрын
DUDE! Is it really that hard for "we shouldn't lose our humanity in pursuit of machine-like perfection" to make sense as a theme for a sci-fi show? That's just "a thing" to you? It's one of the most inspiring parts of TOS! I'm definitely gonna go watch The Enterprise Incidents - they talked about this for over 2 hours! I bet they didn't miss the obvious thematic overtones in favor of nitpicking.
@MariahSyn 3 жыл бұрын
In my headcanon, I always imagined that they could re-configure the buttons on the Captain's chair depending on the mission. They were on a mission when the pod was going to be in use and the potential for jettisoning it meant that Scotty sent a crewman up to set up the necessary changes. One day it is 'Jettison Pod' and the next it could be 'Dramatic Music' :) Thank you for the analysis I never really thought about the dirty politics of the TOS era Starfleet. It really makes me think about Admiral Pressman and the USS Pegasus incident. It seems as if the upper brass of Starfleet didn't care about the treaty and would have simply swept it all under the rug except that Pressman got found out by Picard who made a public stink about it. The Admirals then covered their asses and 'The Service" by throwing the book at Pressman. Why? Because he was tainted and they couldn't be seen to be tainted along with him. At least that is my theory. :)
@wakirk 3 жыл бұрын
Button Was Reprogrammable, change the label so cap would know how it was configured.... maybe a tech's duty before a mission begins to configure ship controls like that. It actually makes sense since these were not touch displays.
@sicily7220 3 жыл бұрын
Actually this translate well in today’s world. How many times have you been duped by video or taking something out of context or clever video editing to support their narrative.
@ecurps1 3 жыл бұрын
SPAAACE!!!
@athrunzala6919 3 жыл бұрын
Weren't there other ships in orbit that could have tractors the Enterprise back up to a higher orbit? It's a Starbase after all
@wakirk 3 жыл бұрын
The only ship in the sector, .... so, nope. =D... Oh, and that tractor beam on the station... yea, off line until Tuesday. XD
@patsk8872 3 жыл бұрын
So no "cloud effect" for you here? I feel like it works for me in this episode.
@jdlewis3706 Жыл бұрын
The scenes where Kirk is narrating, rather than showing the action, the action is was originally shot in full. The episode ran too long & the narration was a last minute substitution to save time & money.
@ThePerradox 3 жыл бұрын
Might there be an official position as Chief of Starfleet Rumormill? :D
@mr51406 Жыл бұрын
It’s a TOS episode I remember from childhood. I’ve seen it too often, the seams show. I only watched it because it’s a classic, for the nostalgia… and to know what too look at when I watch Lore’s (always good) rumination. 🖖🏼 The only good thing was the critique of the system. Very anti-Roddenberry box, strangely enough, very DS9. The pitch ideas (Kirk vs the system, Kirk vs the computer) were good in theory . But the writers couldn’t make a coherent, believable story. You watch the episode and continuously go “Huh??” Too many plot holes. The “jettison” button is the worst. How tampering with video playback could affect Spock’s chess game is a huge plot hole. Add the dopey microphone prop and the melodramatic child actor for good measure. At least Uhura got to be at the helm again. It’s weird how “Measure of a man” had the same captain vs old fling premise and structure. It’s like Melinda Snodgrass deliberately decided to take a flawed script, correct it, and succeeded in giving us one of the very best Trek episodes.
@bad-people6510 2 жыл бұрын
When in recent history has a person been presumed guilty by a gaggle of uninformed morons for political reasons?
@quasimodojdls 3 жыл бұрын
In the space exploration system, Starfleet officers are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the captains who command the ships and the JAG officers who make out with them. These are their stories. BONG BONG These one isn’t good. It’s mostly boring and nonsensical (i.e. the button on Kirk’s chair). But the big problem is the character of Cogley. He gets introduced as an absolutely brilliant legal mind but then the episode’s resolution doesn’t require legal brilliance. It requires a lot of technical know-how and some good, old-fashioned fist-fighting. To make Cogley look better they gave him an overblown speech about rights which just made him look like a bitter old coot and a Luddite. Oh, and apparently they forgot that 1 to the fourth power is…. one. Hmm, that’s some real good sound amplification there geniuses! 2/10
@mmccrownus2406 2 жыл бұрын
Its not boring at all. Different tone than the tiresome fighting and kissing greenies things.
@Infernal460 3 жыл бұрын
It's odd that in 1967 Star Trek portrays *race and equality* here far better than Star Trek Discovery does.
@Jokie155 3 жыл бұрын
This has nothing to do with the video, and is quite frankly incorrect anyway. Take your hate-wanking elsewhere.
@kellinwinslow1988 3 жыл бұрын
Talking about the new stuff totally applies here since by watching TOS you can see how far Trek has fallen since Secret Hideout's rapeing of the franchise. Yes STD is totally garbage. Kurtzman and his flunkies have killed Star Trek. They want to get new fans in but all they are doing is pissing fans off. The quality of storytelling is so low now it makes Spock's Brain look good. It's nothing more than action shlock now. Picard,or Pucard,was so bad it hurt. I feel like Rich Evans from Redlettermedia when Mike makes him watch and review the new crap. Kurtzman has even said he doesn't care about the show,he only sees it as a platform for his political agendas. It hasn't been Trek for the last 12 years. It's just a shell of it's former self. Now it's just Mikey Spock and her band of garbage characters saying junk like "You're the bomb" and "this is the power of science". I question anyone's taste if they think that's good. Redlettermedia ripped the new crap apart so hard it's impossible to see it in the same light.
@kellinwinslow1988 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jokie155 It's far from hate wanking. It's legitimate frustration with how the franchise has been treated by that chowder head Kurtzman. If you like crap like Pucard or the adventures of Mikey Spock then great,but it's not Star Trek. It's nothing more than action shlock now. It's sad when a shows like Star Trek and Dr.Who are treated like crap. They should take lessons from franchises like Gundam as far as treating something with love and respect.
@Infernal460 3 жыл бұрын
@@Jokie155 Yes it does Jokie155 look how the admirals are presented. Just professionals doing their job. STD would have them virtue signal and be morally superior. Ps. Try and show some decorum please.
@Infernal460 3 жыл бұрын
@@kellinwinslow1988 Glad to see some clear expression without childish insults.
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