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@maisiesummers422 жыл бұрын
This is probably my favourite TOS episode. I love the fact that the machine is never explained, beyond "having come from outside the galaxy". We see one of the typical Star Trek tropes: the mad Captain/Leader/Scientist who has become obsessed with destroying the thing that killed his crew/people. Also, the updated, restored version looks amazing.
@hamhockbeans2 жыл бұрын
The mystery of the machine could have been brought to the big screen but Kahn was chosen instead.
@chiroquacker25802 жыл бұрын
@@hamhockbeans That is a good thing in my opinion. Khan is the best Trek villain ever IMO.
@wcoleman992 жыл бұрын
@@hamhockbeans at least the answer wasn't let's go back in time to get whales
@corssecurity2 жыл бұрын
Vendetta is a very good star trek book. The Doomsday machine itself was a prototype. There were others and the one Kirk stopped was about half the size of the finished product. They were built to destroy the Borg. Only no one else survived to pilot the machine. Merged pilot and machine. Mind inhabited the main computer. AI. Not a suffocated plan. Build, Arm point unleashed. It wouldn't save the race that built it. Used up all resources to build them. If we died they will die. The galaxy will die too.
@Dr.Claw_M.A.D.5 ай бұрын
It was built and fyi this was a half scale prototype, to fight the Borg. To annihilate the Borg. It is piloted. A pilot is chosen to merge with the machine Thier mine in tandom with the crystalline computer. The fleet was built outside the rim of the galaxy to prevent the Borg from finding out. Once launched they were going to cut across the centre of the galaxy eating planets for power. Yes other civilizations and races would be killed. That was irrelevant. They were losing thier fight against the Borg and the survival of the galaxy was immaterial. At the point the decision to launch was made thier species would be done and gone. Except the pilots. Since they were dead the galaxy no longer served a purpose but as fuel for the enemy. However the Borg found out. They attacked before the fleet could launch. Picard found the others. A Alurisn found the others and became a pilot for one of them. Hence the Vendetta. Spoilers. Picard stopped the Machine. The galaxy survived.
@gpfoster19662 жыл бұрын
21:00 Lorerunner, in your quick summary of how Spock gets the bridge back, you gloss over a tremendous acting moment between Spock and Decker. Spock doesn't say, "I never bluff." Spock says, "Vulcans never bluff." That "softening" of his face is in response to Spock statement. He looks over Spock (whose actions and arguments have been completely logical, completely "Vulcan," if you will) and evaluates the statement and answers, "No, I don't suppose that THEY do... Very well, Mr. Spock, the bridge is yours." Spock's first order is for the security guard to accompany the Commodore to sickbay for medical examination. He knows that he's going to need that evidence when Decker's inevitable protest to Star Fleet Command comes. Decker may have made the decision of desperate suicide in that moment, but Spock never considers that even a possibility, even though earlier Spock could have used his refusal to "veer off" as evidence of attempted suicide to relieve him of command. Beautifully acted by Windom and Nimoy.
@eddstarr21852 жыл бұрын
William Windom, one of the finest actors in 60's television. The shear range of acting we see from "Commodore Decker" lifts this episode above many others from the Original series. Kudos to Elizabeth Rogers as Lt. Palmer - fantastic stand-in for Michelle Nichols' Lt. Uhura. Special shout out to the dedicated musical track for Doomsday Machine! I love how during the planet killer's first strike at the Enterprise, the sound track "skips" right at the perfect moment as the ship & crew recoil from the attack - a flub so good it was left in the final cut of the episode!
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
Great comment! Loved it, well thought out and sincere. Thank you!
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
You should check out the Doomsday machine revealed a concept video it's about 20-25 minutes long and it's fantastic!
@Hans_Niemand2 жыл бұрын
Did you notice Decker playing with tapes a'la the ball bearings from the Caine Mutiny?
@christopherleodaniels72032 жыл бұрын
The Doomsday Machine functions, as design, much like Balok’s cube buoy. Its simplicity makes it feel believably alien, completely original, and timeless. Unlike various other models or matte paintings, they will never be dated.
@hamhockbeans2 жыл бұрын
Doomday Machone vs the Borg coming to pay-per-view.
@thegneech2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The "what the heck"-ness of TOS ships made them clearly not "just another space ship".
@lancebaylis31692 жыл бұрын
If I were to say there's a PERFECT episode of original Trek, or as near as it gets, then this is it. Tight scripting, a great premise, Windom is a great guest star whose performance showing his desperation and his brokeness really brings a lump to my throat every time, and the stakes feel big. Really big. Gosh, I want to go and watch it right now!
@lancebaylis31692 жыл бұрын
As to the machine itself, in my hierarchy of Trek maybe only the Q continuum stands above it in terms of raw untapped threat. This thing was the Borg of TOS, the unstoppable machine being who could have continued doing what it did forever so long as it still had planets and ships to eat, and conventional weapons are pitiful against it. I reckon it'd even make short work of a Borg fleet.
@stevena4882 жыл бұрын
My personal favourite episode. And it's the killer ice cream cone! THIS is also the VERY first time we have a genuine Moby Dick parallel in Star Trek. And it's from Norman Spinrad who I'm not a big fan of, but everything in this script and episode I love. I always loved Commodore Decker being CLEARLY too emotionally damaged to actually do the job. It has one of the most harrowing moments in TOS, seeing the man in tears as he states "They begged for me to save them and I just had to watch them all die and it's MY fault". And the problem stems from when he's ultimately the most well intentioned extremist ever who is going to get the crew all killed. And Kirk tells him off for it because, yeah, you would. Seems to be a thing where the Deckers of Starfleet, whenever they meet Kirk, they either die or go MIA (after attempting to have sex with a NASA Space Probe). Possibly a curse. Who knows. The reason why the Cone terrifies me is that it is basically a Sand Worm from Dune in space. This thing is MAAAAAASSIVE and isn't thinking and it's a horrifying symbol of destruction.
@hamhockbeans2 жыл бұрын
The fillings of that come would drive you insane.
@stevena4882 жыл бұрын
@@hamhockbeans a delicacy of DOOM
@markforster6457 Жыл бұрын
Your last point is an excellent one! I'm reminded of the scene in "Jaws" when Quint talks about the black eye of a shark and he paints the shark as it really is: a soulless killing machine. This "cone" just does what it's supposed to do. Like Nomad.
@collegeman198811 ай бұрын
I thought the doomsday machine looked like a killer windsock. If ever there was a Star Trek episode that benefited from the updated visual effects, this was it. And in keeping with the overall look of the show, the new effects were consistent and blended in seamlessly.
@thatryftperson17662 жыл бұрын
Hands down, favorite episode of TOS. I was giddy when I saw this pop up in my feed.
@johnauten814211 ай бұрын
I always considered this arguably the best episode of the original series. William Windoms performance was brilliant in fact I met him once and told him so. One of the best aspects that made this episode so great is that you get to see the Enterprise crew work under great tension and still perform with such efficiency and discipline to retrieve their captain as he destroys the planet killer.
@thexalon2 жыл бұрын
This is definitely one of the better episodes, no question. And I've always liked Kirk demonstrating his ability to heroically repair the Constellation, which is in my brain the perfect Starfleety response to this action of winning through engineering. Thematically, I think it's also relevant that this script (a little bit preachily) is explicit that the doomsday machine is meant to be a stand-in for the H-bomb, something everybody would have been rightly scared of when this episode aired. And arguably, we should still be scared of it now.
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
I don't fear a bomb, because a bomb explodes once and is done. I fear the eternal slavery that the population lives in *rather* than being bombed.
@Francois4242 жыл бұрын
The soundtrack made for that episode is just plain epic.
@markcharron Жыл бұрын
Every time I see Decker saying "we saw this thing taking huge chunks out of the planet..." I get absolute chills. Then you see it, and it's literally Hell coming at you. Yikes. Scared the hell out of me as a kid.
@singletona0822 жыл бұрын
One thing that constantly amazes me about trek. FINE the 'fight' music is memed to hell and back, but trek has great 'background' music that can get punchy enough to be noticed but not actually work as something other than background music.
@mr514062 жыл бұрын
Always excellent ruminations! 🖖🏼🌟 I find the minimalist, crude, barbaric design of the Planet Killer most effective in portraying terror. It’s like a shark, or (actually much more terrifying for me) a lamprey! Lampreys have all the terror of a shark plus all the gross of a leech and all the evil of a snake.
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
Hey, snakes aren't evil! You'll make Papa Legba sad with that kinda talk.
@sharkdentures32472 жыл бұрын
As much as I love this episode, I remember always being humorously distracted by the thought that the original version Doomsday Machine looks EXACTLY like this Cone-shaped snack chip (whose name escapes me for the moment) from my childhood. And that always made the dramatic moments a bit "less dramatic" for me. Also, I love the Star Trek book "Vendetta" too (one of the few Star Trek paperbacks I own), and yes, it basically said that the Doomsday Machine was actually a prototype weapon meant to annihilate the Borg! The book is all about the FINAL, advanced version, on it's way to Borg space through the Alpha Quadrant. I think it was a good read. (though a little "soap-opra-ey") And the Anti-Proton weapons? Yeah. The book (as I remember) goes into that they ARE difficult to invent, and they ARE the "big guns". But HOW "big" depends on how "pure" of an anti-Proton beam you can make. Apparently, the more "pure" the harder it is to defend against. I don't know if there are any #'s, but I get the impression that the BIG races had things like 70s%-80s%-MAYBE even low 90s% pure Anti-proton beams. And that a 100% PURE Anti-Proton beam is LITERALLY unstoppable! (and completely Theoretical) Basically, the ULTIMATE WEAPON. Guess what % the Advanced Prototype Doomsday Machine has? (maybe THIS one too?) Yep. Scary. (Especially given the theory put forth that the REASON the completed final weapon was never launched was because its creators feared if they launched it, they would be unleashing a GREATER threat to the galaxy than even the Borg! - UBER Scary!)
@ShamrockParticle2 жыл бұрын
Mmm, Bugles. Shaped like a tiny windsock. Tasted like pure coconut oil. 🤤 😋
@astrogoat2 жыл бұрын
@@ShamrockParticle Bugles eaten to the tune of..... the countdown music from the episode in question.
@visionaryventures122 жыл бұрын
Wouldn’t him being suicidal or experiencing a trauma automatically give McCoy an argument to relieve him under the Star Fleet regulation?
@Edax_Royeaux2 жыл бұрын
I think what may account for the discrepancy in William Windom intent and his actual acting might stem from the acting standards of the 60s. Just watch the black and white film "Sink the Bismarck!" when the crew of Prince of Wales see HMS Hood and 1,415 men of her crew get incinerated; everyone acts completely stiff, hardly anyone moves a muscle despite trying to convey shock. Even when the Admiralty is informed, despite claiming that the news is shocking, everyone has that stiff upper lip, even the female staff. For a man to let his guard down and act emotional and devastated in front of a camera must have just been something not done back then. It went against the conventions of Hollywood military masculinity. Even in the 1970's film Patton, the only man who acts emotionally devastated in that movie got slapped by Patton, such behavior might not have been seen as acceptable back then, so this is why Willian Windom might not have comprehended why people would take his performance seriously.
@shahzebhasan99952 жыл бұрын
A lot of people complain that it was stupid of Deckard to send his crew down to the planet, but I think it adds to the episode by making his mistake be directly responsible for their deaths, adding to his pain.
@Edax_Royeaux2 жыл бұрын
Well what were they supposed to do? It's clear in Decker's recounting that even after beaming the crew down, the Doomsday Machine kept attacking the USS Constellation, which is how they lost the transporters.
@jasonwright85467 ай бұрын
Lorerunner nails the Doomsday Machine. It is its crudeness that works to sell it. It looks primal, like some kind of deep oceanic worm greatly magnified. It has a sense of menace about it that just would not have been conveyed with a more technological look.
@FreihEitner2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear Spock say, "We need to peace out." :-)
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
And prosper.
@logandarklighter2 жыл бұрын
One of the most interesting ideas I’ve heard in regards to the reason why The Doomsday Machine looks so simple and uncomplicated - just this unrelenting “ice cream cone of death” is the following: The Doomsday Machine has been traveling space far longer than we can comprehend. It came from outside the galaxy. And it’s unclear whether it even has FTL capability. So imagine this ancient machine. Probably battered not only by enemy fleets of ships trying to stop it. But battered by intra-galactic travel. Traveling possibly not at FTL speeds, but at a high percentage of sublight speed. Impulse travel, if you will. It may have started out with sleek external features. Extra defense guns ringing the forward intake to prevent exactly the scenario of a kamikaze attack that later would indeed kill it. Reaction control thrusters. Maybe even it’s own version of warp nacelles. All gone now. Battered to pieces. Destroyed. Stripped away. Even the Neutronium hull left misshapen by interstellar scale impacts between the galaxies. Perhaps what we are seeing is only the core structure remaining. The machine at only 10% of it’s original capacity. It’s a shadow of what it once was. And yet even that is still capable of such almost incomprehensible destruction! What would one of these at the peak,of it’s abilities be like?
@corssecurity2 жыл бұрын
Peter David's book Vendetta is TNG era but a sequal. In short it was a prototype. The only one finished in time. Not about a lady ditch effort to survive but revenge for thier genocide. The Borg will pay, the galaxy will pay.
@comentedonakeyboard2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite Episodes.
@arndtdj2 жыл бұрын
I was hoping to see some discussion around the professionalism and competence we see with Scotty, Washburn and Kirk getting a crippled ship marginally operational. The emotional tension Kirk shows being powerless as he is left to just watch. There seemed more actual weight to what an engineering team actually does in this, with Kirk even getting his hands a little dirty in the process as well. A missed opportunity. This is a fantastic episode of TOS.
@tmuny138010 ай бұрын
Every time Mr Kyle man's transporter room with transporter malfunctions !
@chiroquacker25802 жыл бұрын
1) Personally, I agree 'Decker' was played using 1960s Saturday Morning Cartoon acting. It works fine for this episode but it hasn't aged well compared to what someone like Patrick Stewart would have done. 2) In my head canon the planet killer was already critically damaged when encountered, otherwise there is no way the Constellation able to fly down it's throat without being vaporized by secondary weaponry or stopped by forcefields.
@jasonwright85467 ай бұрын
On point 2...I always added that up to it being tremendously ancient. It also could have taken damage in whatever war it was in before it made the intergalactic voyage. I have thought about what its capabilities could have been when it "rolled off the showroom floor", so to speak.
@starsiegeplayer2 жыл бұрын
I really like the discussion here on Defiance. It's making me see the episode in a new light. Yes, I can (now) agree that Decker's "we have to destroy it" is actually right in some ways. However, Decker would not compromise and chose a frontal assault, which simply could not work. Phasers coudn't penetrate the neutronium armor. Decker could have said "We are not going to retreat, and that is final. If a frontal assault won't work, get me something that will." He could have worked with Spock (and Kirk) and come up with that third option. But, either because of his trauma or a tragic flaw in his character or a combination of both, would not.
@logandarklighter2 жыл бұрын
The end of this episode... GENIUS. Genuinely got a laugh out of me. :D Which is GOOD because of all the seriousness and RESPECT you show for the greatness of this TOS episode beforehand.
@SeruraRenge112 жыл бұрын
I should note that in real life navies (and considering the show was staffed by WW2 vets this would probably still apply in Star Trek), the captain still is in charge of their ship even if an admiral is present for the mission. The superior officer is there to see the bigger picture of things and to have a mission for the captain to carry out but the captain is responsible for how that mission is carried out and a commodore doesn't have the right to take command just because they don't like how things are going. I know the Commodore is kinda going crazy but all Kirk really had to do was say "uh no, that's not how it works" when he wanted to take over.
@connormccloy93992 жыл бұрын
If I remember the script correctly, the Commodore could only take over because Captain Kirk was not present, and because he himself was a Commodore. The part they messed up was not acknowledging Dr. McCoy's expertise, and allowing him to relieve the Commodore and then examine him for psychological stability.
@videogenics862 жыл бұрын
This is a great episode. Decker really is a sympatric antagonist in this episode. I'm forced to wonder what Matt Decker was like before he was broken. Though a question, why is a Commodore in charge of a single ship? He's functionally acting as a Captain here. It wasn't a squadron or flotilla he was in charge of, just the Constellation.
@lancebaylis31692 жыл бұрын
Maybe it was a field promotion? He could've still been a captain until very recently, and was being 'technically' bumped up but hadn't yet moved on to his new assignment. There's kind of an added poignancy to all this if we consider that the USS Constellation might very well have been on it's way back to base before it encountered the machine, and maybe Decker was actually going home before the events of the episode happened.
@Edax_Royeaux2 жыл бұрын
Admiral Günther Lütjens only had the Battleship Bismarck at his command when the Royal Navy hunted her down and destroyed her although earlier the ship had been part of a squadron with Prinz Eugen. There are times when an Admiral is in charge of a single ship and the same would be true of a Commodore. Consider the Pirates of the Caribbean where that Commodore started with HMS Dauntless and HMS Interceptor, only to have Interceptor stolen, leaving him with one ship.
@connormccloy93992 жыл бұрын
@@lancebaylis3169 The way you phrased that reminded me of ENT "Twilight" and a certain Starfleet captain.
@gallendugall89132 жыл бұрын
Anti proton weapons are still really difficult for the advanced species in STO so generally they're not absolutely pure anti proton. They always cut it with baking soda or something.
@skytowergnome46642 жыл бұрын
I liked the design of the planet killer because it did look like some one took a natural formation and built a machine into it.
@Werezilla2 жыл бұрын
I think I can see a way this was a bottle show even taking special effects into consideration. In the original airing, the effects showing the Doomsday Machine firing on the Enterprise were repeated. To say the Remastered version made the fight more dynamic is an understatement. I think this episode has more updated special effects shots than any other.
@ryanlynn2 жыл бұрын
I still find it interesting that kirk took the enterprise back from Matt's son, in the motion picture. I have this head canon that kirk used Matt's break down against Will during Kirk's meeting with admiral nogura
@jonathansoko10852 жыл бұрын
Usually when i have an "argument" with someone about trek lore, 9 times out of 10 they are inserting head cannon into it... in fact thats the case for most classic stuff.
@lancebaylis31692 жыл бұрын
Keeping it in mind does add a lot to their screen relationship. Will was apparently personally recommended to suceed Kirk by Kirk himself.
@mjbull51562 жыл бұрын
@@lancebaylis3169 That does add something to Will Decker's resentment. Kirk is not just some random flag officer who happensto be the ship's former CO, he is Decker's mentor. So it is a personal betrayal. Except for being the protagonist, Kirk is filling the nincompoop admiral/ambassador role that is such a Star Trek trope for largely selfish reasons.
@Colin47632 жыл бұрын
I always feel sorry for Sulu in this episode, it's fairly obvious he recognises both officers have points in favour of their positions , but since Spock and decker are arguing instead of working together to create a solution. He has no way to intervene in a command dispute to bring a stop to the argument and get Spock and Decker working together.
@kellinwinslow19882 жыл бұрын
Another in a long list of episodes that is better than anything Kurtzman Trek has ever done. One of my favorite episodes. Not as good as Amok Time or even City On The Edge Of Forever but very well done. Really well done for 67'. Also really nice music that was completely done for this episode. Also has a fantastic moment for Spock when stops the Enterprise from being destroyed. I like that it's Deckers dad from The Motion Picture. It gives the son a bit more depth to think that he may have had a bit of a grudge against Kirk for the death of his father. Boy,a lot of Construction class ships get destroyed in this series though. Lol. In fact I believe that the only other one, aside from the Enterprise, that makes it back is the Ark Royal.
@thedragondemands51862 жыл бұрын
Gee, I sure wish WE had one of them doomsday machines, eh doctor? Otherwise we'll have a doomsday gap.
@SchneeflockeMonsoon5 ай бұрын
I headcanon this takes place right after __The Changeling__ and Uhura is still recovering and that’s why they can’t contact Kirk for so long.
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
I didn't know the "day 37" thing was a running gag for Lore....
@gavinjoth53472 жыл бұрын
with the music and the monster with a giant maw, this episode has always reminded me of Jaws. I wonder if Spielberg took any inspiration from it?
@SeruraRenge112 жыл бұрын
All will fear the giant space Bugle snack Also you didn't mention the worst part of the Doomsday Machine in STO. It's not that you can only attack it from the front, it's that it takes forever to kill unless you're using specifically Hargh'peng torpedos.
@visionaryventures122 жыл бұрын
I considered them sending a probe to warn Star Fleet, and recognized a probe could easily be destroyed by the killer.
@athrunzala69192 жыл бұрын
I had always assumed he was Deckers father from Motion Picture because of the name. Twas obvious to me
@grimreaper65572 жыл бұрын
I fully agree with your Rumination of this episode I loved it Doomsday Machine was awesome one of the best =)
@thegneech2 жыл бұрын
I've always maintained that the music from this episode was the inspiration for the Jaws theme. I have no proof of this, but I believe it anyway. ;)
@jplongstreet83292 жыл бұрын
Prolly my favorite episode of TOS as well. Your description of the ships defending TNG's Utopia Planetia (if manned and knowing the odds) reminds me of a smaller scale Battle of the Line from B5.
@hughsmith75042 жыл бұрын
And then in STO we have a Klingon pull a decker that goes out belting opera!
@warrenlamar97152 жыл бұрын
If your life were in danger, would you have me fight for you and lose, see Decker. Or would you have me regroup, bring friends, help you that way, but seem less concerned, see Spock. So, Spock is right.
@bad-people65102 жыл бұрын
I knew he was Decker from the movie's dad. Granted I don't know how I knew, but I felt like that was common knowledge.
@athrunzala69192 жыл бұрын
This was the first episode I ever saw!
@leftcoaster672 жыл бұрын
Planet Killer would have been a brilliant start to Star Trek: TMP.
@toddwalker43012 жыл бұрын
Damnit Jim! It's a cornucopia from Hell!
@corssecurity2 жыл бұрын
No love lost for the Romulans or Klingons of the Era and Starfleet wouldn't want them to know about a new ultimate weapon. The Federation might like to know about the end of the Alpha quadrant.
@user-hi4sm3ig5j2 жыл бұрын
I think Spock was correct, although maybe it's mainly just bias because it's Spock vs a one-off character. My reasoning is that warning Starfleet to make a proper strategic plan before it reaches critical Federation territory seems like an objectively better idea that continuing to fire phasers at the outer shell which is what the Commandore was trying when he was in the Captain's chair. Personally I read it as he thought of the shuttlecraft plan on the fly as he was being escorted to sick bay, which for all he knew was futile - the episode seems to suggest he was suicidal after the loss of the Constellation crew and the fact that the shuttle explosion damaged the planet killer wasn't a guaranteed result. And I think repairing the warp engines and heading back to a Starbase for reinforcements wouldn't even lead to the destruction of the Rigel colony, since it's heading there at well below the speed of light which we know because the Enterprise was staying ahead with impulse engines only and it took over a minute to swallow up the Constellation from 200,000 miles ahead initially. I don't remember the episode saying explicitly whether the colony is 100% screwed if it's not stopped immediately. On another note, I did like the "Klingons, I mean Vulcans, do not bluff" part.
@hamhockbeans2 жыл бұрын
The Doomsday Machine would have been better threat than V'Ger in the motion picture.
@babak49472 жыл бұрын
Anyone considered possible parallels between the 'planet killer' and the Vorlon 'planet killer' in B5 (Season 4)?
@Colin47632 жыл бұрын
I remember my brother commenting that it filled a trope for destroying planets like the doomsday machine did in star trek
@Tuvok_Shakur2 жыл бұрын
this one is one of my favorites
@resurrectedstarships2 жыл бұрын
I read Vendetta when I was young, far before the appearance of the Borg queen - and man it was good -- the portrayal of the borg in that was far superior to current canon.
@rongarbutt63532 жыл бұрын
McCoy claimed that he did not have time to perform a psychological evaluation on Decker to determine he is unfit for command. Baloney! As a psychiatrist myself it is obvious that he is suffering from PTSD and survivor guilt, just from brief observations.He should never have been allowed to assume command of Enterprise. At the very least McCoy should have been given ample time to evaluate him.
@KnightRaymund2 жыл бұрын
Spock is right. They had to get word of it to Starfleet. Now, once that's done, they could go back, hope to try and reach it before it does too much more damage. But ultimately getting the word out should be top priority.
@quasimodojdls2 жыл бұрын
As much as I love this episode (and I do!), I can't award it a perfect 10/10 score. Decker going crazy as he flies into the maw is simply bad, as far as I'm concerned. Seriously, "over-the-top acting" doesn't even begin to describe it! This guy is on a show with William Freaking Shatner and still managed to be the one chewing the scenery! Other than that, though, this is about as perfect as a Trek episode (especially an action episode) can get. It has it all.... action, thrills, heroism, conflict, high stakes, tactics, and a (mostly) amazing guest actor. I especially love how Kirk points out the irony of nuclear weapons being what saves the day against an even more powerful WMD. The message is pretty clear.... humanity needs to start building more and more powerful nukes and to hell with the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty! Not much else to say about an almost perfect episode. 9/10
@markforster6457 Жыл бұрын
Putting aside any existing fan fiction, what do you think happened to the giant Bugle snack chip in space? Did Starfleet or the Federation study it?
@DrewLSsix2 жыл бұрын
While I generally don't love the extra canonical and fan fiction tendency to connect every single thing in trek (the let's make the galaxy smaller model) I have always thought it was plausible that the Doomsday Machine and the Whale Probe were from the same place, they share some key features and it seems plausible that they were nearly the same thing but designed for different purposes, that the Doomsday Machine used to look a lot more like the probe but after countless eons attacking worlds and absorbing attacks from its victims had eroded or decayed into its cone shape we all know.
@Eelco_de_Boer2 жыл бұрын
Summary: Following a distress-call from the starship Constellation, Enterprise finds a trail of destroyed planets. On the Constellation they find Commodore Decker, a former friend of Kirk who lost his crew and blames himself. Revenge-driven, Decker takes command of the Enterprise and is determined to destroy the planetkiller, a cone-shaped machine. Will Kirk succeed in stopping Decker and destroy the machine? (A nice Moby Dick parabel and with many intense scenes, this is one of the better episodes)
@ronaldritchie130111 ай бұрын
Spock was both right and correct. Sure, if the Enterprise had just "placed out" the rather large colony on Rigel (or whatever) would probably have been obliterated although the Enterprise COULD have given them enough warning to allow them to abandon it. Further the Enterprise stood no chance at beating the machine if it stood its ground and dead men tell no tales. There would not have been anyone to warn others what was coming. To quote Spock: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one".
@fredrikcarlstedt3932 жыл бұрын
Commodore W. W. Ahab of the USS Cabot Cove !
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
For some reason this episode just kind of slides off my brain without sticking. It's one of three or four TOS episodes that I downloaded off YT years ago, and of these I think I've watched this one least often, even though it's debatably the best-made. I just don't really care and I'm not sure why.
@AunCollective2 жыл бұрын
If i were to look at my 5 creative or technical works (1 music album, 2 business/personal app suites, and 2 nonfiction books) and pick a favorite, it would be that objectively below average but occasionally shows promise music album of instrumental and electronic compositions. Someone who equally finds value in all 5 types of work would probably say that's their least favorite. It's the emotional connection i have to that album that makes it my favorite and it was also created before the rest. Asked to pick a favorite, I'd pause too.. and probably just pick one of the 2 apps.
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
It's funny cuz I was watching the Doomsday machine revealed the concept video that Shem had made and actually spinrad was on there himself and he goes I think the quote was it's a pretty good episode! Why would you think he disliked it? I mean why would you say that he said that? Cuz he actually physically says the opposite if you want to watch that video it's a great video, more positive and fun than this one but that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep making yours. Express yourself always. Except with hate.
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
Okay I don't want to overload the comment section here I just had to go back and watch part of that video to make sure I was quoting Norman right he said it and I quote him himself saying in my opinion it is one of the best episodes! Why would you say that he didn't want or I mean that he disliked it? Why would you say he said that? I mean if he did I'd like to see or hear the interview where he said that cuz he can see and hear the interview here where he said and his opinion it's one of the best episodes! And the way the fans think it's the high point of his career it I had the whole idea that he got a kick out of the episode and just wondered why Roddenberry had him design a complicated Doomsday machine when he was going to just use a wind sock dipped and cement but he realized it was for budget issues but other than that I thought it was really great at the end during the concept shem's concept video
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
@Lorerunner - "Heralds"? Can you explain this reference a bit more? Memory Alpha isn't showing anything.
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
I also don't get the September 37th gag, although I suspect you prefer to keep me confused about that one (this usually being how in-jokes work).
@Colin47632 жыл бұрын
Heralds are part of the Iconian faction in Star Trek, Online, which Loremaster referenced when he was discussing Antiproton weaponry
@donovanbradford82312 жыл бұрын
Myself I say Decker was morally right in that we need to protect life. Spock however was correct in that they couldn't win which meant they needed to retreat to send word and possibly devise a way of destroying this monster. But a fun episode and breakdown looking forward to the next one.
@mjbull51562 жыл бұрын
Last week's Sunday night game with the Ravens against the Steelers, the Ravens scored a touchdown late in the game. They go for the one point kicked conversion, they tie the game and go to overtime. The go for the two point conversion they win the game right there. Spock's option is the one point conversion, the hedged bet. Decker's is going for two, all or nothing Spock's is the safer play, though people may get killed before Starfleet can mount a defense. If Decker can win, no o es else does, if the Enterprise is destroyed or crippled then a lot more people will assuredly die on an all or nothing bet. The problem when Decker does it, he has no way to win the battle. When Kirk does it after Decker shows the machine's weakness, he at least has viable plan. By the way, the Ravens went for two, failed to convert and lost the game.
@warrenpierce55422 жыл бұрын
Step one, buy AMT Model of Enterprise, step two assemble model. Step three, burn said model with Zippo lighter.
@joluoto2 жыл бұрын
Under regulations of course Decker was right. He was correct that it needed to be fought somehow. He was absolutely not correct in engaging it without a plan, with weapons he already knew would do nothing.
@timyo62882 жыл бұрын
This channel should rename to Nerd Time.
@visionaryventures122 жыл бұрын
I like fact that the machine looks like a whale, which reminds one of Moby Dick.
@davedumas02 жыл бұрын
i have an idea for a game based in the star trek universe it would be called "the engineer" or something to that effect and the premise is your an engineer (lower class and goal is to become chief engineer) and you gotta fix the things IE replace parts align fields etc what do you guys think would you play it ?
@FreihEitner2 жыл бұрын
So the name of the game will be Being Miles O'Brien?
@EnvisionerWill2 жыл бұрын
@@FreihEitner Well at least you get to be O'Brien the engineer instead of O'Brien the transporter chief....
@Tuning34342 жыл бұрын
@@FreihEitner Perhaps the most important person in Starfleet history.. so I could imagine that.
@roystonsbailey2 жыл бұрын
Great ep, and I can't get through most STO eps. Shades of the TNG Borg (before they were humanized), and the character of Captain Decker is awesome Edit: Commodore not Captain
@810PRODUCTIONS2 жыл бұрын
The constant red glow fading in and out within the background is distracting. I can't ignore it.
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
And I meant Stanley Cooper not Stanley Cooper! And I'm talking about Stanley Kubrick I'm just kidding around
@Analog_Mind47 Жыл бұрын
I think the original model of the Doomsday machine looked better than the CG effect
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
P the interview b**** from the Doomsday machine revealed though didn't allude to Norman disliking the episode in any way he didn't think it was the Pinnacle of his career but he said to many it was and he lives with that but the only thing I heard him say contrary to anything he was doing was the design of the Doomsday machine and he didn't allude to not liking it at all he said he was on the set every day why they were filming it and he had written it with Robert Ryan and mine but he said Windham gave it a different spin and he lived with that and I don't hear anywhere where he disliked the episode I was wondering where you got that information from?
@williamsternritter32142 жыл бұрын
While I agree with the strengths of the episode I still did not like it overall. One element I just cannot understand is why do they even allow Deckard to be in charge? The man is clearly emotionally unstable and unfit for duty, as pointed out, but I guess the runtime's gotta run and yes it would not be as dramatic if he was locked in a room and only escaped at the end to sacrifice himself.
@gpfoster19662 жыл бұрын
On a "gut" level I agree with you, but I think the episode deals with that about as well as it can to enhance the drama. It has to do with rank and the chain of command. Once Decker steps on the bridge of the Enterprise, he is "by definition" the senior officer, and has the "right" to assume command. In order to "buck" that chain of command, McCoy, as CMO, would have to be able to document that Decker is unfit for duty, and in that moment, he couldn't (again, as Lorerunner points out, questionable). The part of the resolution that I always questioned is when Kirk tells Spock to take command after saying "Blast regulations! Mr. Spock, I order you to take command on my personal authority as Captain of the Enterprise," and Spock DOES it on that basis! So, the Captain has "personal authority" to order Spock to take command on his word alone, but McCoy, the CMO, doesn't? That's really odd!
@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh2 жыл бұрын
loved the episode except for the "may have come from outside our galaxy" trope 1) so its capable of intergalactic travel but is puttering around 2) there is nothing to eat outside the galaxy. 3) at this point only 1/10 of the galaxy is explored - they don't know what things are like on the other side of the galaxy. you reminded me - constellation really exploded with a BANG!!. in future battles ships that are destroyed just b..a....n.g.
@joem62322 жыл бұрын
I thought commodores are pencil pushers. How does decker get a starship?
@bchick75982 жыл бұрын
You conflict me! This parts of your stuff I love and part of it just drives me to want to turn it off! But either way you succeed because like Stanley Cooper with 2001, it makes you think makes you talk about it so whatever you're doing I think you're doing it right. Expressing yourself is always right. As long as it's not hate.
@khandallah47252 жыл бұрын
-star trek doomsday- once would have made a brilliant star trek four, five or six . time... .
@johankarlsson43572 жыл бұрын
This episode is (almost) complete nonsense from start to finish: 1. Why do they sometimes plan to get close to Kirk to beam him over. Is there a distance limit to the transporter? What is it? Are they really ever farther apart than the ship is from the planets surface they beam onto in every other episode? They don't seem very close in the end when they beam him over? 2. "I want a full check and I am going to have a look at those engines". Did Scotty forget CAPTAIN Kirk ordered him to check the phaser banks? I know he apparently does it anyway, but this dialogue is pretty dumb. 3. How come the planet killer just appears out of nowhere? Didn't they say there were no other ship in the system? Are the scanners that bad? Did the planet killer leave the system and then return? If so, why did it return? Why didn't it consume the last two planets before leaving? Did it return to consume them? 4. The Constellation that is being towed directly behind the Enterprise isn't hit by the beam at all? Ok, sure, I guess. 5. How come they never consider getting the crew using one of the transporter ships (on either ship) if the transporter room isn't working? 6. Why does the giant machine programmed to eat planets try to tractor beam a ship into its inner self, when its apparently the only way for it to be destroyed? 7. Why is it not shooting at Kirk (or Decker) when he is flying the ship right into it? Is it pulling the Constellation into itself using the tractor beam? If yes, WHY? If not? WHY, it did so to the Enterprise? 9. Scotty randomly loaded one of the phaser banks, having no idea of Kirks plan, instead of repairing the things Kirk told him? Btw, why didn't Kirk tell him the plan? Did he just make it up ones it started working? Why did Scotty only reload one phaser bank anyway, why not all of them? Scotty being a magical repair man who can fix anything in seconds is just silly. 9. Why do they never try to fire the phasers INTO the planet eater, instead of shooting at the shell they KNOW is impregnable. 10. Why does the planet killer conveniently stop firing as soon as Spock claims the shields are out? 11. Why is no one trying to calculate how long it would take the planet killer to reach the next system to know if they have time to leave and come back or not? 12. Why do they not suggest going to the neighboring system, warn them and the federation and plan to make a desperate stand when the planet killer gets close. Towing the Constellation is a stupid excuse, just come back for it later, you know, after you dealt with the planet destroyer threatening millions or billions of lives. 13. Why did they escort Decker to the bridge and not the medical bay (red alert excuse is not enough. Why would MCCOY of all people be on the bridge in a red alert)? They also ignored Kirk again, since he said they should take Decker back to the Enterprise so McCoy can help him there. Guess he should have said "that is an order". 14. There seriously isn't a clause in the regulations that prevents a Commodore that has just lost his ship, entire crew and is clearly mentally unstable to just hijack another ship? OK. 15. Kirk tells Scotty to put a timer for 30 seconds and then the Enterprise tell him its a bad idea he says "i have no choice". Yes, he does. How about you tell Scotty "oh can you change that to 60 seconds"? 16. "Tell Scotty to repair warp drive". They are already repairing it. Is Scotty the only useful engineer on the ship? 17. Whats this random thing about running out of fuel. Why would they be here with a lack of fuel? 18. I don't believe for a second its possible to repair, fly and fire the Constellation using two to five people. Utter nonsense. 19. "Sever causalities on deck 3 and 4" - Wonder how many red shirts got nuked off screen? Wonder if they ever told Kirk about it? I agree the dialogue between Decker and Kirk is really good and that the design of the planet eater is great. Its just buried under a mountain of nonsense.