STAR WARS Prequels VS Sequels: Which Trilogy is Better?

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Obi-Wan Kenobi has everyone nostalgic for the simpler days of the prequel era...but were the Star Wars Prequels really that good? How do the stack up against the Disney Sequel era? In this video we breakdown what works and doesn't work about the trilogies, and declare which one we like better.
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Hosted by Ryan Arey ( / ryanarey )
Produced by Bevin
Edited by Harriet Lengel-Enright, Srinidhi Rao, and Randolf Nombrado
Featuring
Bevin ( / bevinbatspice )
Adam Lance Garcia ( / adamlancegarcia )
With Obi-Wan coming around the corner fans are looking back on the prequels with a new sense of fondness. But just how fond? The prequels are notoriously divisive. Yet, even the last trilogy had fans pretty divided. So we began to wonder, how do the prequels compare to the sequel trilogy?
We can all agree that The original trilogy of Star wars is a masterpiece. You may not like parts of Jedi, or whatever, but this is a story that combined several genres and created an epic that speaks to everyone. Baseline, we all love those movies. Every Star Wars since then has borrowed or expanded upon some aspect of those movies. Even this guy in the cantian got a short story about him.
I’ve always thought the prequel fans were divided into two halves. There’s the people who watched them when they were kids, so they love them, and the people like me, who watched them as discerning young adults or teenagers. The problem is, we waited 16 years for a new Star Wars movie. That’s sixteen years of imagining what happened before the Tantive 4 was pursued by the star destroyer, 16 years of acting out stories without toys, 16 years of using curtain rods as lightsabers.
George Lucas could have easily made a movie that would have just given us what we wanted, more of the same. But instead he chases to try new things, to push the medium forward. He introduced so many ideas in the prequels that we now love and accept as canon. The padawan learner, the jedi council-death sticks. These movies had great ideas that were executed poorly.
I’m not going to pick the Prequels too hard, because everyone on the internet beat me to it, and I know Bevin and Adam and I are going to get into way more detail on that later on.
Now, Disney Star wars was the exact opposite. They were 100% willing to give people what they wanted, and terrified of anything new. It was like the edict from the mouse was, “if it’s not like the original trilogy, we don;t want it.” JJ Abrams seemed like the perfect guy to bring everything back to basics. He reinvigorated Star Trek with a shiny reboot that misunderstood the spirit of the franchise-and then he reinvigorated star wars with a grimy reboot that misunderstood the spirit of the franchise.
These are the first words spoken in the sequel trilogy [hopefully this will begin…] That is a pretty clear fuck you to George lucas, and a nod to fans that, don;t worry-I’m back. Like, look at the first look of the movie released. In this featurette, they love showing you that the movie is shot on film-just the original trilogy. And peter mayhew says this targeted line.
You thought there were too many politics in the prequels? Don't worry, we blew up the political planet? You thought clones were dumb, well giess what [we could make clines, no]. Ha! Clones are dukb. The force awakens did every fan service thing you can think of except for strapping Jar Jar to a sun crusher. The only thing the force awakens forgot to t=do was actually establish a lore and ongoing story that was worth telling.
#StarWars #ObiWan #VS
0:00 Failures of Force Awakens
4:00 Which Trilogy Has a Better Story?
11:00 Anakin's Turn isn't Earned
16:20 Best and Worst of Sequel Trilogy
22:13 Which Trilogy Has Better Production Values
29:00 Legacy of Prequels VS Sequels
32:50 Final Verdicts

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@DavidEmanuelUwU91
@DavidEmanuelUwU91 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest: the prequels weren’t perfect. Nevertheless I love them. They are my childhood and I enjoy watching them. Those movies were meant to entertain kids, and they accomplished that. The prequels, in my opinion, are amazing.
@ajzorger93
@ajzorger93 2 жыл бұрын
As a child, I never understood why there was so much hate for the prequels. As an adult, I still don't. They were fun to watch back then and they're fun to watch now. Fuck the haters.
@sdguy67
@sdguy67 2 жыл бұрын
I was 20 when the 1st prequel came out and HATED them. There is a way to make them kid and adult friendly and they failed at that
@itzcruzii
@itzcruzii 2 жыл бұрын
W commenr
@francissellerdude
@francissellerdude 2 жыл бұрын
Unpopular opinion the prequels were perfect 😂
@paladinpariah325
@paladinpariah325 2 жыл бұрын
Saw the prequels in my mid-twenties and always loved them. Yes they are flawed, but the greatness of them far outshines those flaws. To this day, Episode I still has the best sword fight ever put onto film, for example.
@DavidEmanuelUwU91
@DavidEmanuelUwU91 2 жыл бұрын
Beyond happy that Hayden is back as Lord Vader!He didn’t deserve the hate he received.
@andrewratnoff4082
@andrewratnoff4082 2 жыл бұрын
Not at all, he was solid in other films I saw him in like Shattered Glass, really under-looked movie.
@nayrskater
@nayrskater 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@jenniferdruidhill7157
@jenniferdruidhill7157 2 жыл бұрын
I don't hate him he is cool on other films , he just suck as anakin hyper suck he is basically like sand :)
@FGchannel716
@FGchannel716 2 жыл бұрын
🤐
@zenius2111
@zenius2111 2 жыл бұрын
@@jenniferdruidhill7157 Cope incel
@djmasey420
@djmasey420 2 жыл бұрын
Let's be honest: we all are here to see what kind of justification you have for the sequels to be good.
@zechrojas2202
@zechrojas2202 2 жыл бұрын
Not very good justifications.
@aesir1ases64
@aesir1ases64 2 жыл бұрын
None, only casuals like the sequels because they dont love star wars but just want a dumb 2h enterteinment, they have no care for the lore or stablished characters.
@whoami4352
@whoami4352 Жыл бұрын
@@aesir1ases64 got bânned on Reddit for going off on a guy for saying everything the sequels did was better including the characters which is outrageous can't believe I even went back to reddit there's a bunch of casuals there The prequels did everything better but I can't lie I love the prequels but some of the dialogue was bad but not terrible I think sequels was way worse and not to mention I think the actors in general from the prequels ear are far better and that guy I was arguing with thought overwise then he said the sequels movies/story were way better but we all know that's a lie the prequels weren't perfect but the movies were actually interesting at some points and brought more attention and actually felt like star wars while the sequels were focused on boring characters with terrible writing. As far as the characters go the prequels have a bunch more interesting characters than the sequels. Obi Wan Kenobi Anakin Skywalker Yoda (ik he's in both but still obi-wan too) Mace Windu Plo Koon (redeemed in clone wars) Qui Jon Ginn Darth Maul Count Douko General Grievous Jango Fett Padme (Plus you actually get to see Palp as the Chancellor of the republic who ended up being behind everything) way more interesting than them bringing him back in the sequels just to kill him. At least when Maul was brought back it made more sense not to mention he deserved it for not having any screen time in episode 1 and he became a fan favorite, sidous went nowhere and was brought back Just to die even then he was (cloned) still kinda messes with Anakin's fate and not to mention the whole point of the first 6 movies lmao. If you count the clone wars which most should it's even better than the sequels and certainly better than that resistance bs LMFAO. Way better characters in the cw too
@micahmwania1952
@micahmwania1952 Жыл бұрын
true
@sodreir.8666
@sodreir.8666 Жыл бұрын
Strongest sequel fan vs weakest prequel enjoyer
@BionicleGio22210
@BionicleGio22210 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels are superior to the sequels because of one simple fact: one narrative vision. It's consistent, mapped out, and executed good. That's why the sequels failed hard: no consistency, no map, and it much more dumb moments in my eyes Plus without the prequels, we wouldn't have the clone wars show
@grproteus
@grproteus 2 жыл бұрын
Production in the prequels was way, way better. While the prequels constantly introduced new technologies, the sequels have zero production innovation and some of the most outdated visuals in the series. There is not ONE impressive, memorable shot in the sequels. Even the "good shots" are ruined by the awful characters and the disregard to the world mechanics. They are awful.
@doublet147
@doublet147 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Episode I-III - feels like the same author. Episode VII-IX - feels like three or four authors.
@bacon7149
@bacon7149 2 жыл бұрын
You said the prequels were executed good? Prequels were the most boring dumpster i have ever seen. Nothing compares to the stupidity of the prequels. And lol what is a mapped out film if the story sucks 🤓😂 Sequels are better in every way other than that one scene from rots
@chrisyanover1777
@chrisyanover1777 2 жыл бұрын
I felt like they went into the sequels writing them one movie at a time and didn't have all 3 movies mapped out. Like they wrote the Force Awakens without knowing what the next movie would be about. Then Rise of Skywalkers was written just to mop up the mess that was Last Jedi! The prequels had a begging, middle, and end mapped out before production started on the Phantom Menace. I felt like in the sequels they knew what they weren't going to do, and that is what Lucas had envisioned for the final 3 episodes!
@SuperKhalid95
@SuperKhalid95 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, the prequel trilogy is much better than the sequel trilogy.
@GARRETTM.1997
@GARRETTM.1997 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll listen to palpatines “did you ever hear the tragedy of darth plagueis the wise?” 100 times rather than watch the sequels again.
@SaurianStudios1207
@SaurianStudios1207 2 жыл бұрын
Although I’m not a huge fan of either the prequel trilogy or sequel trilogy, even I have to admit that the prequel trilogy is better. If you put aside the cheesy dialogue, wooden acting, overuse of cgi and the inconsistencies in the story, the prequels are a great addition to the lore and world building of Star Wars. It adds a lot of backstory to the Jedi and Sith in their prime, the days of the old republic, and the characters that defined this time period. It’s technically really good lore and world building that still feels like Star Wars with all new characters, vehicles, creatures, planets and technology (that predates the original trilogy). The sequel trilogy meanwhile, has one big problem over all the others: it’s lackluster world building that fails to establish the politics, factions and character motives to set the story in full force (no pun intended), not to mention being too much of a copy of the OT whilst simultaneously discarding what the achievements of that OT for the sake of brand recognition and nostalgia pandering. It’s heartless, soulless studio filmmaking that admittedly is well done from a technical level. To summarize what I’m saying: the Prequel trilogy had a clear vision and a clear 3 film storyline with direction that was unfortunately bogged down by mediocre execution. While the sequel trilogy is technically well made and superior in the filmmaking, but lacks a clear idea/vision of what it’s trying to be, and ultimately feeling like an empty and soulless remake of the OT with the Star Wars brand in its title.
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
I saw that you complain that the new trilogy copies too much the original trilogy and then you complain that it brings too much news? So you're contradicting yourself, it shows that you're just raging for the sake of raging without having any criticism that makes sense! I don't need to read the rest of your comment, if it's in the same "logic" as your first point!
@roger632
@roger632 2 жыл бұрын
How the sequels look after a rewatch: Rey=Luke Kylo=Vader Starkiller Base=Death Star BB-8 with the map to Luke=R2 with the Death Star plans Luke plays the part of the old lost and now found teacher, like Yoda in ESB Snoke=Palpatine (until they basically became one in the same lol) Battle of Crait with walkers speeders and snow=Battle of Hoth DJ betraying Finn and Rose to the First Order=Lando betraying Han, Leia, and Chewie to the Empire. First Order tracks the Resistance back to their base and are about to destroy it, but they fail=the battle over the Death Star Battle of Exegol is just the Battle of Endor 2.0 Palpatine is revealed at the end of the trilogy, and "dies" at the end Rey gets a few lessons from Luke, and then leaves in haste to save her friends/Kylo, which is exactly what Luke does; she then surrenders herself to Kylo in an attempt to save him, and Luke surrenders to Vader in ROTJ with the same goal in mind; they are then both advised/forced to look out the window by Snoke/Palpatine and see the imminent destruction of the Resistance/Rebel Alliance- -Luke ends up losing his hand in the process of trying to save his friends, just like how Rey loses her Lightsaber, they both lose something to the Dark Side character in the second installment of the trilogy, while at the same time having it revealed to them that Vader is Luke's father, and that Rey is a nobody and her parents are drinkers, both truths are revealed by the Dark Side character. The prequels didn't even need planet killing weapons or to bait on nostalgia for their success, they were completely unique. The sequels have far too many similarities with the original trilogy it's not even funny.
@josephvernon21
@josephvernon21 2 жыл бұрын
You started with 4 insults
@josephvernon21
@josephvernon21 2 жыл бұрын
You pretty much said the movies aren’t good, but they’re great
@Benrhodes1
@Benrhodes1 2 жыл бұрын
This is the best explanation of the prequels and sequels I’ve ever seen.
@Ryan-gz9xg
@Ryan-gz9xg 2 жыл бұрын
It’s the prequels. Even Disney acknowledge this when immediately following the rise of skywalker they went back to creating content set closer to the prequels and originals timeline. They’ve all but ignored the sequels and i don’t think that’ll change for a long time as these movies have not gotten better with time (imo)
@Linkfin
@Linkfin 2 жыл бұрын
@Aidan R John Boyega isn’t gonna get Disney plused
@BigPurp9
@BigPurp9 2 жыл бұрын
@Aidan R would he want to tho, from interviews it seems like he found working with Disney painfully frustrating
@MrBazBake
@MrBazBake 2 жыл бұрын
The Mandalorian and Boba Fett take place closer to the sequels than the prequels, BTW.
@astrotrain6037
@astrotrain6037 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBazBake but they are closer to the originals, while having a lot of tie-ins with the prequels and almost none with the sequels
@Ryan-gz9xg
@Ryan-gz9xg 2 жыл бұрын
@@MrBazBake sure the timeline is closer to the originals, but The mandalorian references the prequels and originals heavily. The only hint we’ve had towards the sequels i can remember was the cloning lab in season 2. Perhaps they’ll lead more into it in later seasons to connect to the first order. Also didn’t even mention the new shows coming out kenobi , andor, Ashoka, bad batch season 2 all set closer around the prequel timeline or based off characters originated from them
@DrDetfink
@DrDetfink 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels added so much lore and new toys to the franchise. Hard to deny that.
@Therizinosaurus
@Therizinosaurus Жыл бұрын
Not only that, they are actually good story wise. The original feels flat compared to the prequels. Although it adds a plot hole, why did they hide Luke in the same planet and with Anakin's relative?
@finneganhushour8683
@finneganhushour8683 Жыл бұрын
@@Therizinosaurus the story isnt good what are you smoking
@Therizinosaurus
@Therizinosaurus Жыл бұрын
@@finneganhushour8683 how is it not good? Elaborate?
@T1ny_Boy
@T1ny_Boy 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels no question
@pollogaming919
@pollogaming919 Жыл бұрын
That’s not saying much, both are garbage
@stan_smith395
@stan_smith395 Жыл бұрын
@@pollogaming919 prequels is the best, but as i may say, when u think about star wars u think of out in space battle ships and, desth star, but the prequels dont show any out in space action really, while the orignal has a lot of out in space action
@pollogaming919
@pollogaming919 Жыл бұрын
@@stan_smith395 well the stories in general are better in the og trilogy
@tvshowmemes-jt8eb
@tvshowmemes-jt8eb Жыл бұрын
@@pollogaming919 lol the sequels are so much better and have more originality than the sequels
@pollogaming919
@pollogaming919 Жыл бұрын
@@tvshowmemes-jt8eb bro what? The sequels are better than the sequels?
@Skywalker_Luke
@Skywalker_Luke 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels are better in every way. George Lucas is Star Wars and he made the prequels. There is nothing more Star Wars than 1-6. The clone wars is entertaining and gives you a lot more fun with the characters you love but it actually is just going in circles and doesn’t make the prequel trilogy better at all. The prequels stand on their own without the clone wars show. The more times I’ve rewatched the show the more issues I see with it, like anakin having a padawan and Anakin’s character being fairly different from the trilogy. Anakin doesn’t need a padawan to leave the order, his disagreement with the order was perfectly well established in the movies. It’s a super entertaining show and I love it. But it certainly doesn’t make the prequel trilogy better. Besides that the sequel trilogy is terribly written. Every character is truly wasted and it accomplishes nothing. Star Wars would be better off without the current 7-9.
@jaieregilmore971
@jaieregilmore971 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏 someone says it while the clone wars is entertaining flesh out the characters Obi wan,Anakin,Padme and other characters old and new but I do have some gripes with them like what they did to Quinlan Vos who was a complete complex badass character in the legends comic Star Wars republic in dark horse but in clone wars they made him an idiot, it happens with grievous and they killed off Ventress off screen In which she should had survive in rebels.
@ToothlessDragon536
@ToothlessDragon536 Жыл бұрын
4-6 is in a completely different league to the prequels. It's like champagne vs tramps piss. The reason why is because George was utterly hopeless but he wasn't in control of the originals. It's even documented that he fought against all the classic moments in the originals. The prequels are still astonishingly bad and the sequels losing momentum doesn't change that at all. Would you really want George doing the mandalorian? No. Coz it would be shocking.
@darkjediknight2923
@darkjediknight2923 Жыл бұрын
The Prequels are not only better, but are actually great Saga films as well as great Star Wars films. The Disney sequels are neither.
@adamduffield7782
@adamduffield7782 Жыл бұрын
@@ToothlessDragon536 really? You do know George Lucas was bought in by Dave Filoni and Jon Favreau on the Mandalorian as a consultant? He helped them write how to bring Luke into it
@roffels11-gamingandhistory69
@roffels11-gamingandhistory69 Жыл бұрын
Wait wait wait. Only because "George Lucas" is written on something does not make it good. This way of thinking is beyond any rationality. XD If you compare American Graffiti with Star Wars Ep. I or II or even III the latter are just trash. And both were made by Lucas, yet even in comparison with his own art the prequels are not good. They are fun, I guess, but they harmed the overall continuety of Star Wars in the 1990s and 2000s, which can not be undone by any TV show or crappy sequel. Sorry.
@jesussalomon3598
@jesussalomon3598 2 жыл бұрын
“The Last Jedi understands Star Wars.” *spits out coffee*
@jackmacy5077
@jackmacy5077 2 жыл бұрын
😂 man really forgot about Luke like bruh man went from grandmaster to a hermit 😑
@KmatuX
@KmatuX 2 жыл бұрын
It seems they were reinterpreting what this film could possibly be morphing into, instead of what it really was
@KevyNova
@KevyNova 2 жыл бұрын
I knew right at that moment that this guy’s opinions are all crap.
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, that guy is about to lose friends faster than Luke losing padawans
@AT32556
@AT32556 2 жыл бұрын
u shocked to find out that people have different opinions? grow up honestly
@stonecoldskeet6088
@stonecoldskeet6088 2 жыл бұрын
Bevin was so spot on about the sequels. Where was Anikan's force ghost to tell Kilo "yo bro I'm not a darth anymore..."
@masondella-piana6632
@masondella-piana6632 2 жыл бұрын
"The last jedi understands itself as a star wars film." Leia force pulling herself from outer space:
@grayski3324
@grayski3324 2 жыл бұрын
Luke throwing his father's lightsaber off a cliff:
@rubyrudy
@rubyrudy 2 жыл бұрын
Finn regressing to who he was at the beginning of the Force Awakens
@Vahnish
@Vahnish 2 жыл бұрын
Luke almost almost killing his nephew in his sleep out of fear he may be going to the darkside
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
Leia who could use the Force goes in the same logic as Leia could feel Luke via the Force in the original trilogy!
@jsworpin
@jsworpin 2 жыл бұрын
Really don’t understand the hate for Leia-poppins. Since the force can move objects, this seems a logical extension of that power.
@elmorelia100
@elmorelia100 2 жыл бұрын
This video should’ve only been 3 minutes, “Sequels are Ass” conversation over, thank you for watching my TedTalk.
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
I see that you are closed-minded!
@elmorelia100
@elmorelia100 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 no I’m just smart enough to point out lazy writing
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
@@elmorelia100 It could have been better written and developed if the fans wouldn't have screamed so loudly that she was a Mary-Sue from her first moments. She was scrapped because the fans were yelling too much and putting too much pressure on the team behind the films. So that led to the result we have now.
@zetterburger
@zetterburger 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels are cringey but the sequels are an embarrassment, as well as insult to what Lucas wanted.
@nathandts3401
@nathandts3401 2 жыл бұрын
Lucas was a bad writer.
@NoCluYT
@NoCluYT 2 жыл бұрын
@@nathandts3401 he was a good writer, but a bad script maker. He can make a good story, but his dialogue and directing is sub par
@biffyqueen
@biffyqueen 2 жыл бұрын
Well considering most of the cringyness of the Prequels is on him I feel fine insulting him, but yes, they're a wasted opportunity.
@rivendells_shona
@rivendells_shona 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoCluYT to add to that: Lucas was a bad “performance” (actor) director. Part of the reason the OT was so groundbreaking is that he’s a very proficient technical director. Just like, as you said, he’s a good storyteller but terrible script writer.
@peewypeabody4284
@peewypeabody4284 2 жыл бұрын
To the point
@deanthomas2961
@deanthomas2961 2 жыл бұрын
I think if the shot in Ep. III when Vader and palpatine are overseeing the construction of the death star... That shot makes sense because all the moments leading up to it add up. Tell me why in Ep.9 the lost descendant of Palpatine steals the name of a man who she knew for less than a week, all because she was trained by his sister for a year...
@aravindhanil7235
@aravindhanil7235 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels are overloaded Sequels shits on each other Would def watch prequel over sequel anyday
@ErikIsaksen
@ErikIsaksen 2 жыл бұрын
The Clone Wars made me appreciate the story, characters, and world building of the prequels. I didn't feel much growth in world building in the sequel trilogy at all, the characters (except maybe Rey) were not very interesting, and the stories were mostly rehashed. Hopefully new Disney+ shows will give more depth to the sequel trilogy like The Clone Wars did for the prequels (and maybe the mandoverse will as Ryan stated) ATM .....Prequels had their issues but were much better than the sequels
@jamesscott305
@jamesscott305 2 жыл бұрын
Agree.
@acolytesounds
@acolytesounds 2 жыл бұрын
Best part of the Sequel Trilogy: Poe Dameron.
@Charolette21
@Charolette21 2 жыл бұрын
That's the problem though, the prequels needed a cartoon to seen as good in hindsight, not the best judge of quality.
@ErikIsaksen
@ErikIsaksen 2 жыл бұрын
@@Charolette21 A cartoon is just another medium for storytelling. There was way to much to cram into the prequel movies for it to be under 3 hours per film. A lot of time passes during those 3 films. I can see your point though that a good story should stand on its own. I'm not saying the prequels were perfect...they were just more complete and cohesive than the sequels.
@kurciqs8355
@kurciqs8355 2 жыл бұрын
what's interesting about a mary sue?
@obsleet
@obsleet 2 жыл бұрын
gotta be honest. As soon as Adam started saying The Last Jedi understood the franchise I dipped out.
@brightongamer0747
@brightongamer0747 2 жыл бұрын
No contest. Prequels are the best
@darkjediknight2923
@darkjediknight2923 Жыл бұрын
100% agreed. There's no contest! It's like comparing a Gold bar with a piece of mud wrapped in tin foil. The Prequels are not only better, but are actually great Saga films as well as great Star Wars films. The Disney sequels are neither.
@Fatsaver
@Fatsaver 2 жыл бұрын
''Somehow Palpatine returned'' Yeah guess which is the better one lmao
@BigPurp9
@BigPurp9 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know how this could even be a debate, the prequels are infinitely better
@banjopiggottwright1802
@banjopiggottwright1802 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels as it told a cohesive story with varying levels of execution driven by the very well casted characters
@rubyrudy
@rubyrudy 2 жыл бұрын
As some who was born in June in 1977 the sequels made me appreciate the prequels.
@NoCluYT
@NoCluYT 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels: Good story, badly executed Sequels: Bad story, greatly executed Prequels will stand the rest of time though since story is key. The sequels mainly had great cgi, visuals, and camera work. The story however makes no sense and was very unconvincing.
@koshinaden263
@koshinaden263 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly
@mackmitchell94
@mackmitchell94 2 жыл бұрын
Except the prequels were not badly executed in the slightest . I don’t understand why some people keep saying that and then when I ask them how the films were badly executed, they can’t come up with anything other than the dialogue and Jar Jar. The original trilogy was also criticized for its dialogue and the critics couldn’t stand c-3po. There needs to stop being this notion that the prequels are “flawed” but good films when the originals were flawed as well from the same logic . The reason people really don’t like the prequels are trivial things like CGI, Jar Jar Binks, and the simple fact that they selfishly wanted Star Wars to be what it was when they were kids rather than become a saga that is experienced generationally .
@vadenthakkar
@vadenthakkar 2 жыл бұрын
Perfectly said (except the execution of ROTS was amazing), adding on, the OT had a decent story, but executed amazingly
@Valkyreon
@Valkyreon 2 жыл бұрын
@@mackmitchell94 It's all relative. The prequels had no chance from the beginning, because people would automatically compare them to the OT - which was a cultural phenomenon. They didn't see it like an expansion, but a competition. Ironically, the mess of the sequels were an eye-opener to many people who originally hated the prequels.
@mackmitchell94
@mackmitchell94 2 жыл бұрын
@@Valkyreon exactly, that’s a good point.
@IamDeathIncarnate1337
@IamDeathIncarnate1337 Жыл бұрын
I think my beef to be honest, is that the sequel trilogy was a story that didn't need to be told. it had literally already been told. they basically undid the triumph of the original trilogy and then rewrote it for the sequel. imagine being Anakin. "you mean I went through all this hell and then sacrificed myself to save my son only for it to amount to nothing? we win the day only for it all to fall apart anyway, and the Emperor to survive, leading to an almost identical situation with other people and the same outcome?!". I'd be pissed.
@TaurusWitch29
@TaurusWitch29 5 ай бұрын
Well said
@Damon-xf4kt
@Damon-xf4kt 22 күн бұрын
They never undo it, just ignore the sequels, they never happened it's that simple.
@gameboyn64
@gameboyn64 2 жыл бұрын
What really took me out of the sequel trilogy was the constant world breaking and massive issues with the plot not making logical sense.
@IronicSonic83
@IronicSonic83 2 жыл бұрын
Got me thinking how many games prequels did spawn. But sequels have none (?) It's all about lore. Lucas really is a good businessman
@chingchaching24
@chingchaching24 2 жыл бұрын
The best thing about the sequels is when the credits show up
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
"Credits will do fine"
@DavidEmanuelUwU91
@DavidEmanuelUwU91 2 жыл бұрын
The people who attack the actors are not only complete embarrassments to the fan base but just awful people in general.
@allthingsnerdy5474
@allthingsnerdy5474 2 жыл бұрын
yea, eff those guys real men attack the director, the writer and the producer
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
They are as stupid as a fucking bantha. If you are angry at a story, you should be angry to: A) the writers, who are the ones that turn a great opportunity into a shitshow like the last jedi B) the producers and the suit guys, who sometimes press the writers to add or remove certain ideas to make the movie more marketable and take away the soul of it C) the director, who ultimately is the one who has the vision on what the movie is going to look like Seriously, i don't think there is an actor that loves the backlash of a horrible movie, nor being remembered for making part of it, they are the biggest victims of the industry
@TheManOnTheStreetOMG
@TheManOnTheStreetOMG 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, the mere fact they brought back Palpatine and invalidated Ep6 with lazy writing
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
It's all about "raging fans" screaming so loudly that the team behind the trilogy had no choice but to listen to them which resulted in the movie we got!
@Bluemudphoenix
@Bluemudphoenix 2 жыл бұрын
I’ll never forget the feeling I had when I left the theatre after watching “The Last Jedi”. I felt gut punched. I had never been so excited for A movie before. I felt huge disappointment.
@zechrojas2202
@zechrojas2202 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I remember that night too. It was awful.
@brianmurphy767
@brianmurphy767 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I left movie with the exact same feeling. I wasn't sure what I just watched and I didn't say a word to anyone. I felt like it was a big troll
@gamecokben
@gamecokben 2 жыл бұрын
You're the reason we got "The Rise of Skywalker". Man children who are afraid of new things who threw a fit when they didn't get the exact wish fulfillment fantasy they hoped for.
@mr.aleximer
@mr.aleximer 2 жыл бұрын
Me too, it felt like Disney issued order 66 against me , betrayed...
@jsworpin
@jsworpin 2 жыл бұрын
If you felt that bad after TLJ, much worse did you feel after TRoS then?
@tomlindop5428
@tomlindop5428 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t even let the sequels into my head cannon. I just can’t find a redeeming feature. I loved force awakens when it first came out, the excitement of what happened next, then just disappointment. I love the prequels despite their faults and me and my friends always have a laugh with them and can quote them…not just that, they expanded the lore so much
@daltonburroughs3811
@daltonburroughs3811 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels are so much better I'm not sure you can even state how much. Sequels borderline ruined star wars
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
All this because of the haters who didn't give the team behind the movies a chance! If 9 is as messy as it is, it's because of all the negative reviews from the fans. The team behind the movies had no choice but to listen to the fans, which created a real mess!
@mightypepper7719
@mightypepper7719 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 cringe bro, every movie they made(sequels) was bad and kept/getting worse. Criticism was natural and called for. Even then, no one asked them to makr the decisions they made, they clearly dont know star wars(ex. Leia flying). Cant blame the fans for that.
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 keep crying, i enjoy your tears.
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
@@jordiruiz3793 Wow!!! So respectful of you! Just because I have a different opinion you're making fun of me?! Typical hater's reaction!
@therealLOGS
@therealLOGS 2 жыл бұрын
@@mightypepper7719 It's also sad how disheartened Mark Hamill was with how they portrayed Luke. If the studio really listened to fans, they would have treated Luke's character better.
@jeffkrug9045
@jeffkrug9045 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels by a mile. Some of the best characters, locations, vehicles and music comes from the prequels.
@szymeq.haizaki4898
@szymeq.haizaki4898 2 жыл бұрын
liar
@dannychamberlain6244
@dannychamberlain6244 Жыл бұрын
The truth
@FlyinMunky
@FlyinMunky 2 жыл бұрын
While I was actually pretty excited to see where things go after TLJ, the sequel trilogy became so disjointed. I agree with what seems to be the majority, the prequels had a more cohesive story which makes for a better trilogy in my eyes. You can have different directors, like the OG trilogy did, but you need someone with a singular vision at the helm.
@FlyinMunky
@FlyinMunky 2 жыл бұрын
I fully admit that the side-quest in TLJ took up too much time for as goofy and pretty pointless it was. Maybe Phasma could've somehow figured out their plan and it was a race to get to the specialist. You'd then have a race of time versus a race of attrition. Oh, and the whole withholding your plans from your officers was stupid. Give her a reason not to trust anyone, maybe Phasma was her old second-in-command and betrayed her. If you couldn't tell, I wanted to see more Phasma lol
@Cs-cp6vo
@Cs-cp6vo 2 жыл бұрын
@@FlyinMunky phasma was definitely underused
@oxyzzmoron
@oxyzzmoron 2 жыл бұрын
Personally, I think I wouldn't have mind listening to only Ryan Arey share his opinion than listening to the others on this video. I just think the guest that you invited to this video don't have great judgement for either trilogies.
@tadtomd
@tadtomd 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed - much less interested in the guests sharing unsupported opinions
@stevenellis1459
@stevenellis1459 2 жыл бұрын
Was looking for this comment ! Now I don't have to write it myself , this dude honestly sounds like he hasn't a clue 🤮
@anilraj420
@anilraj420 2 жыл бұрын
I agree %100 worst guest
@ruthbennett7563
@ruthbennett7563 2 жыл бұрын
This is not the best format for this channel. It is unpleasant how y’all keep speaking over each other with more seeming interest in self promotion, rather than the the subject at hand. Star Wars seems to be boring/old hat rather than compelling to these commentators. I clicked away midway. I’ll check out the Easter eggs for Kenobi, though.
@KevyNova
@KevyNova 2 жыл бұрын
💯 percent! I kept wondering why I was listening to this guy, I disagree with him on everything he says.
@chazblank2717
@chazblank2717 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s pretty obvious now which between the prequel trilogy and the sequel trilogy is the best… it’s the four minute recap of the prequel trilogy at the beginning of the Obi-Wan series by a landslide.
@joshuagiehll3737
@joshuagiehll3737 2 жыл бұрын
I've been a diehard Star Wars fan all my life. The Last Jedi was the only movie I have seen that made me actually angry about it. The amount of (in my eyes) lack of respect of everything that came before just so that the director "could do his own thing" was just so incredibly disappointing. And episode IX just felt like a petulant child being angry because fans didn't like what came before.
@sarasharick5209
@sarasharick5209 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing Anakin with his mom was important because we have to see his attachment to family and the idea of having a family. It’s part of what makes the original trilogy powerful. He always wanted a family. He kept being unable to save his family. On the Death Star he finally had a chance to save his family.
@richdurand1704
@richdurand1704 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan’s face when Adam was done trying to act like the sequels are worth a damn 🤣🤣 but hey hey valid points for sure. Much more valid than other channels I’ve tuned into
@serenadeX31
@serenadeX31 2 жыл бұрын
You 100 stole the comment i was planning on making XD
@bigmacattack4201994
@bigmacattack4201994 2 жыл бұрын
This Adam guy is a simp for the sequels 😂. I know its just his opinion but his takes are pretty off.
@jeffdaniel23
@jeffdaniel23 2 жыл бұрын
@@bigmacattack4201994 They're pretty abysmal💀and then that part when she asked him about Rey's ending and then he paused and was like "OH, no, yeah, that, well, you see, the thing is..." Just making up his own inferences to justify the garbage writing
@Smanning91
@Smanning91 2 жыл бұрын
I was very young when I watched the original, was in elementary through middle school for the prequels, college and beyond for the sequel. The exact order I watched them in is how they should be watched. From there everyone can find their favorite. For me episode 3 is the best movie.
@connormacdonald3061
@connormacdonald3061 2 жыл бұрын
I was a kid when the prequels came out. As such, even though I know they're objectively bad, Phantom Menace is unironically my favorite star wars film.
@puffenpopel
@puffenpopel Жыл бұрын
They're not even objectively bad though, as most of the criticism thrown at them is purely subjective. I have seen countless of prequel criticism videos and none are convincing imo. The only apparent objective criticism that I can think of is the severe discrepancy between light-hearted and serious scenes, which was not that much of an "issue" in the OT. Then again, I am cool with that. Ultimately it is all about what you personally make of the films and I am very much fine with subjective and seemingly objective shortcomings of them, just like you. Phantom Menace is indeed great, I remember watching it on VHS pretty much every other week back in the day.
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
Yeah, you don't even know the meaning of the word "objective"
@javiecija96
@javiecija96 2 жыл бұрын
A good story poorly told is by default better than not having an actual story to tell and still trying to tell something.
@bluevelvet9885
@bluevelvet9885 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels had a lot of problems and so did the sequels, and they both also had some good moments too.
@JdeMolay
@JdeMolay 2 жыл бұрын
The only sober analysis in my opinion
@Damon-xf4kt
@Damon-xf4kt 22 күн бұрын
Sequels r an unholy abomination!
@danthemanno
@danthemanno 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels added to Star Wars. Sequels hurt it. Disney ruins everything they touch
@DanPx8
@DanPx8 2 жыл бұрын
The sequel trilogy looked like a big childish fight between the two directors... JJ: This will be the future of SW Rian: No, It'll be like this... JJ: No, I said it'll be my way, now I gotta fix what you did... Completely disagree that the two first movies worked when the second only tries to undo what was established in the first... same goes for the third with the second The prequels, as bad as they were, the movies still told the same story
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
If J.J. Abrams did what he did with the ninth movie, it's because of the rage that didn't accept anything that the sequel brought! These people decided that the movies were going to be crap from the teaser of The Force Awakens! And they continued after the release of the movie and continued to rage after the release of The Last Jedi. And it wasn't put down to be J.J. Abrams who had to make The Rise of Skywalker! And in addition to having a change of direction, J.J. Abrams had done everything to calm the fans. This created the mess that is The Rise of Skywalker. So if the fans would have been open, maybe the ninth movie would have been better.
@vadenthakkar
@vadenthakkar 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels: The prequels had emotion, the sequels didn’t. The sequels made Luke succumb to the very beliefs that crippled the Jedi order in the prequels The sequels don’t explain anything other than that these are bigger badder and “better” than previous movies, let me give you some examples: How did the First Order get the power to build a system killing weapon with only a fraction of the empires power? How did an arrogant child with anger issues beat Luke Skywalker? For a trilogy neglects prequel references why is Palpatine’s return explained with an implicit prequel reference? Why do a Sith apprentice and Jedi in training (she’s not really a padawan) team up? Why do Kylo and Rey have a force bond when not only has no other Jedi had a bond like this, but Disney de-canonized Palpatine creating Anakin, so they aren’t even related? What happened to all of the other Jedi that Luke was training? Why doesn’t Rey make her own lightsaber? Why doesn’t Rey understand that the lightsaber she uses is Anakin’s, not Luke’s? How did Kylo Ren survive his injuries on ilum/star killer base? Who is leader Snoke, and how did he learn the dark side? Has Luke forgotten about Yoda and his teachings? What about “facing your fears” does he not understand?
@bacon7149
@bacon7149 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels were executed crappy The prequels had bad dialogue The prequels have a trash story The prequels had bad acting The prequels have a overload of dumbass looking cgi The prequels had Jar Jar The prequels had some of the worst characters (lmao dooku) The prequels are so boring The prequels are dogshit The sequels were actually good compared to the crap the prequels were. I refuse to watch them again because holy crap they SUCK.
@ToothlessDragon536
@ToothlessDragon536 Жыл бұрын
The prequels are utter shit. The sequels lost their way. That doesn't make them any better.
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
@@ToothlessDragon536 Nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnope
@jeffreycarman2185
@jeffreycarman2185 2 жыл бұрын
I was rewatching The Phantom Menace the other day and Qui-Gon offers to bet the pod against Shmi and Anakin, and Watto replies “no pod is worth two slaves”, implying that the pod might be worth one slave. But they don’t free Shmi with the money earned from the sale of the pod. It may be that, by that time, Watto had lost so much money betting against Anakin that he felt couldn’t afford to lose Shmi also, or he didn’t want to lose face by losing two slaves at once.
@drakehintz2866
@drakehintz2866 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan: "were bringing in some of the best to talk about it" Adam: Proceeds to have the most garbage takes for half an hour
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
He said they were the best, but he didn't said the best in what. Adam is the best in having wrong opinions, aparently
@apoorvsingh4459
@apoorvsingh4459 2 жыл бұрын
@@jordiruiz3793 Savage 😂😂
@zechrojas2202
@zechrojas2202 2 жыл бұрын
Adam was so desperate to sound right he didn't make a cohesive point.
@nlbump1
@nlbump1 2 жыл бұрын
@@zechrojas2202 sounds like the plot for TLJ
@derekdunbar6352
@derekdunbar6352 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta be honest, Screencrush, I don't love these discussion style videos. I was hoping for one of your Movie Scene Fights videos. Best content on the channel imo.
@djspicy8286
@djspicy8286 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos Ryan are so fun and in depth, I love your content and Doug 👍🏾
@djspicy8286
@djspicy8286 2 жыл бұрын
And mad props to the editor
@cliffalexander2890
@cliffalexander2890 2 жыл бұрын
at 9:02 he says what is right for the SW Universe, um... Complete disagree. I agree the story needs to go in the flow of what the universe is showing and I did like that line but everything else around that line of how they gave Palpatine the power of Chancler was wrong, Luke did not feel right how he was written was a complete letdown. Both J.J. and Johnson did miss the boat of what SW is. As for the Prequels, let us all agree that they were poorly executed and needed the Clone Wars to complete the story, which I was fine with for the Clones Wars expanded the universe more which is what the fans wanted.
@rivendells_shona
@rivendells_shona 2 жыл бұрын
Yep. The decanonized EU (legends) shows that Luke understood the failings of the Jedi from the get-go. He ended the notion that love = unhealthy attachment = the path to the dark side and instead embraced that love need not lead to fear. Like Kanan in Rebels, he discovered that one can keep balance despite “attachments”. Disney apparently didn’t like that and Riann made Luke repeat the mistakes of the Jedi, suggesting that he *didn’t* understand the point of the PT and OT as a single narrative. The question is, are they going to allow Rey to have attachments? Because the way the current writing is going, the Mandalorian Creed is looking more balanced than the Jedi Code.
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
Uh, no, we're not going to agree that the prequels are poorly executed because they weren't and didn't need TCW to save it
@ieatzebraarah
@ieatzebraarah 2 жыл бұрын
I wish the prequels included more of the scenes and information from the novelizations. They really flesh out some of the complaints people have about the prequels and we’re released when the films came out. I just think it was an execution dilemma
@daniellekoski418
@daniellekoski418 2 жыл бұрын
This is a similar thing with the sequels...the books are better, including some of the lead up books, like Bloodline. Wish they would've made that one into a movie.
@ozmarichardson6524
@ozmarichardson6524 2 жыл бұрын
I thoroughly enjoyed this one. I agree with a lot of the points you all made. Im stoked to see where they take tge story moving forward too
@pedrosantsaver
@pedrosantsaver 2 жыл бұрын
I put it in perfect perspective for my dad(a child when the OG trilogy came out): they are made for children, of course you'll have your most fond memories of your childhood movies. The same reason my 4 year old only cares about baby Yoda.
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
Funny enough, i don't know a lot of kids that actually liked or even were interested at the prequels, back in 2000's i remember it was a pain in the ass to get a lightsaber toy, because i desperately wanted one and i had my parents about to explode from stress 😂😂. But when the last trilogy came to cinemas the toys and merchandise were flopping in sales. If more kids said they liked this movies i would respect them, because i remember how the generational barrier felt as a kid, but the only people that seem to like this movie are 30 year old simp guys that hate the patriarchy
@mattwstewart205
@mattwstewart205 2 жыл бұрын
My issue (personally) with the sequels, is that there wasn’t much cohesion and they seem to undo certain huge things from the original trilogy and the prequels. So the prequels are always better to me.
@dilipsureshkumar
@dilipsureshkumar 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels had to be made to complete the story. Sequels were unnecessary just made to empty our wallets. I still can't get over the fact they destroyed Luke's character arc.
@pudd66
@pudd66 2 жыл бұрын
great comment. The sequels were unnecessary.
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
@@pudd66 Are you being sarcastic?
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 he didn't add a "/s" at the end, so we can assume he is not sarcastic
@pt3391
@pt3391 2 жыл бұрын
The phantom menace was my first dvd that I owned and watched a million times in my first dvd player the OG Xbox so I love that movie and the prequels forever ❤️
@orangebiker4926
@orangebiker4926 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like there could be flashbacks to when Anakin was a slave and when he was freed by the Jedi and/or Anakin could explain this to Padmé in Adam’s version of the Prequels.
@SwiftFoxProductions
@SwiftFoxProductions 2 жыл бұрын
I know you only mentioned it briefly but, I will say concerning the age gap between Anakin and Padme (her already being a teenager when they met), that timeline is not nearly as confusing when you fully realize how short the amount of time is between kids becoming teenagers and then becoming "adults". I believe Padme is only supposed to be about 14 when they first meet so, she's only about 4-5 years older than the 9-10 year old Anakin. Anakin is about 19 by the next time they meet so, by then, she's only 24 at the oldest. If you think about it like that, you kinda realize the timeline works pretty accurately. It's just that there's a huge visual difference between a 9 and 14 year old but, not really that much of a difference between a 19 and a 24 year old. (BTW, Natalie Portman was actually 16 in the 1st movie and 19 in the 2nd so, she just played a little younger in the first and a little older in the 2nd but, it wasn't a huge jump in either direction, really).
@airforcex9412
@airforcex9412 2 жыл бұрын
TLJ is my favorite out of the trilogies but Rogue One is up there as one of my faves.
@semipenguin
@semipenguin Жыл бұрын
I’m 52 years old, I’ve been lucky enough to have seen every Star Wars trilogy films, in the theater, during their original run. If I had to choose between the prequels and the sequels, it’s the prequels, hands down. Not even close. I loved the splendor of the prequels. The story was fine. I’ve watched and rewatched all three episodes. The sequels I’ve only seen once. I cringed when I saw each of them. Episode VII was barely watchable, and they only got worse from there.
@AliaaAloha
@AliaaAloha 2 жыл бұрын
You are so awesome Ryan! (Your success/your channel's success gives me hope with fandom/KZfaq because your perception is extraordinary, plus you're fair, and not toxic). Cheers! :D :)
@gulf_coast_gypsy
@gulf_coast_gypsy 2 жыл бұрын
The sequels disrespected every original character and destroyed Star Wars for me. As soon as they threw out the original canon and desided they could write better stories than it was over.
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
What you said about the sequel is wrong! It was the fans who never wanted to know what the sequel would bring. And if you think I'm wrong, then explain to me why the fans were saying it was going to be crap since the Force Awakening teaser! It's not a proof that fans were going to yell no matter what?!
@gulf_coast_gypsy
@gulf_coast_gypsy 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 ok. Because the REAL fans did more than watch the movies. The REAL fans read the books as well. You know.....the 200+ books that were written from the late 70s until Disney purchased Lucas Film and threw out the original Canon that included some of the best Star Wars stories ever written! Because Han Solo and Leia Organa Solo (yes they were married)had three children and not one of them was named Ben! Ben was Luke's son! Because the stories sucked compared to almost any of the 200+ books. So yes we started bitching from the very start because Disney started their ownership with DISRESPECT!!!!!! They thought they could write better stories......well they were wrong. Did that clarify anything for you?!
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
@@gulf_coast_gypsy It's not true! Just because someone is a Star Wars fan doesn't mean they have to know everything! This "real" fan story is complete bullshit! We can appreciate the work that we are not obliged to read everything, to play all the video games of the franchise to be a "true" fan! What you just told me is a proof that people who criticize in this way are simply haters! Otherwise you would be able to accept that there are Star Wars fans who are not interested in the extended universe or don't know as much about Star Wars as you do. But that doesn't make them any less of a Star Wars fan! That's the difference between you and me! I'm open-minded and accept that there are different Star Wars fans. It's precisely because we are all different that we can share our knowledge on a little bit of everything including Star Wars!
@SuperPlacido1
@SuperPlacido1 2 жыл бұрын
@@gulf_coast_gypsy Another case that proves you're a rager is that denying that J.J. Abrams and Rian Johnson had different ideas from what the expanded universe had brought! They didn't have to follow the extended universe because the Star Wars universe is so vast that anything can happen! They didn't want to follow the extended universe maybe because it didn't leave them enough room for their ideas.
@gulf_coast_gypsy
@gulf_coast_gypsy 2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperPlacido1 these sequels are set far enough in the future were they could have stuck to the universe without changing it. George let so many writers do that and none of them stepped on any toes and they built onto the world and expanded it without changing things that came before. But that tales hard work and great imagination. Guess they didn't want to put in the time to be respectful of the universe they were writing in. And you attacted the fans first. All fans are welcome in Star Wars, but nothing I said was wrong. I am very passionate about all of Star Wars. I don't know how old you are but I probably have been watching Star Wars and reading the books since before you were born. And to have Disney crap all over the canon and the characters is just wrong.
@jentalksbooks
@jentalksbooks 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciated the prequel set because it was a personal wish fulfillment of sorts. I wanted to learn why and how Anakin became Vader. Also, I think had Phantom Menace Anakin been a few years older, it wouldn't appear as weird as it did later down the line between Anakin and Padme. She was a very young queen, after all. Anakin, a bit older, could have had the exact same story of origin - a slave, forced to leave his mom behind, she herself remaining a slave. All of that to say, the age gap between Padme and Anakin felt strange to me, especially because she met him when he was so very young and immature. It just felt inappropriate to me.
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
It's not like she was attracted to Anakin when he was nine. She only became attracted to him 10 years later.
@katearcher8514
@katearcher8514 2 жыл бұрын
I started watching everything SW after the Force Awakens was out, so I've got no previous attachments or nostalgia. And my favourite part is... Clone Wars :) And if I had to rank the films only, it would be 3 then 5 then 7. With an honourable mention for Rogue One.
@Driden
@Driden 2 жыл бұрын
I recall a lot of fans giving George Lucas a lot of crap for his prequels wanting him to step away, let someone else write it, let someone else direct it etc. He stepped away, Disney steps up, and the fans got more upset. The problem was the fans tried to dictate the story instead of allowing the creator to keep telling HIS story. Fans are toxic and social media allows them to group in to mobs trying to bully and threaten people just trying their best
@johndela4439
@johndela4439 2 жыл бұрын
Prequel vs Sequel......this one is super simple for me. PREQUELS by billion. The PREQUELS had a great story and tons of incredible moments (pod racing, Darth Maul light Saber duel, the battle of Geonosis, Obi-wan vs Anakin). The sequel Trilogy tried to copy things that Star wars had already done (just watch The Force Awakens and you will know what I mean) the sequel also had a TON of meaningless characters (Rose from the last Jedi, Snoke (pointless) Phasma! The list goes on. Nothing memorable about the sequel Trilogy. Super safe story. It needed to have a different villain i feel like. The Emperor was already "dead" and would have been better to leave him that way and just had Stoke be the main bad guy.
@thetoondevil
@thetoondevil 2 жыл бұрын
I never had a problem with the prequel trilogy when i watched it as a kid. Sure JarJar was kinda annoying. But I never thought ithurt the films. But as an adult, i kinda have more of an appreciation for the trilogy. It went from being a saga about the rebels vs the Empire to a redemption arc of Anakin Skywalker. And thats what i truly loved of the prequel saga, they expanded the lore of the universe Lucas built.
@TheQuincyEdwards
@TheQuincyEdwards 2 жыл бұрын
Dude. The one with a consistent story that rhymed with the previous movies beat for beat. The Prequels. No question for me. This video was great!
@TheSuperSnake313
@TheSuperSnake313 2 жыл бұрын
Great conversation, think you all were quite fair. For myself, I was in school when the prequels came out so I'll always have a special place in my heart that original and sequel fans don't get. There would be no Star Wars without the story of the Prequels and the tragedy of Anakin. He is the foundation of everything, hence the Skywalker Saga
@HMMadsen
@HMMadsen 7 ай бұрын
I mean there technically still would be Star Wars even without the Prequels and the on screen fall of Anakin Skywalker. We had 1977-1998 with just the Original Trilogy and no Prequel Trilogy
@nattyburmeister4918
@nattyburmeister4918 2 жыл бұрын
Here’s kind of an interesting insight that I thought about as I watched y’all talk: I grew up watching Star Wars and had never really seen a Star Trek movie, and while I didn’t like what he did with the Force Awakens or especially Rise of Skywalker, I absolutely loved that first Abrams Star Trek movie, as someone who was entering into the world for the first time. Wondering if Disney potentially brought him on to set up a love for first-time watchers and the problems came about as it was torn between that and pandering to old fans? Thanks for the video, loved it!!
@JJD516
@JJD516 2 жыл бұрын
Yes! As a first time watcher starting with the PT going to OT and recently de ST I'd found the PT very hard to watch and I really liked the OT but they were kinda outdated. To me the ST is everything I had expected from star wars. It might not have a perfect story or great evolving characters but it was a real joy to watch and made me love star wars. Now I'm kinda sad that the OG fans don't really see that and only bash about the sequels without understanding it's good things
@DominickRuocco
@DominickRuocco 2 жыл бұрын
The Prequel Trilogy is an absolute masterpiece compared to the Sequel Trilogy and it's not close.
@StevenDNA86
@StevenDNA86 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels had a shit load of miniatures for scenes, like the stadium on Tattoine for the pod racing track, the Geonosis Colisieum, etc
@MossOwnsYouYT
@MossOwnsYouYT 2 жыл бұрын
The complaints here about force ghost intervention ignores the fact the Kenobi spent years trying to learn the art; and even then the ghosts need to be accepted in order to be heard. I believe Kylo Ren would not have listened to a force ghost trying to tell him that his opinions were incorrect.
@darkjediknight2923
@darkjediknight2923 Жыл бұрын
It's not even close. It's like comparing a Gold bar with a piece of mud wrapped in tin foil. The Prequels are not only better, but are actually great Saga films as well as great Star Wars films. The Disney sequels are neither.
@pauladdae3130
@pauladdae3130 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels, as save for poor dialogue and dodgy CGI in TPM and AotC, they were at least consistent. I saw the prequels as a 21 year old, so grew up with the originals. But the PT had superb jedi duels. The Sequels were terrible in my view: 1. Not utilising the original characters altogether. 2. Wasting Luke's arc, role and character. 3. Re-hashed ANH. 4. Harnessed fan service to a ridiculous extent. 5. No plan. 6. Grossly pretentious towards the Prequels. 7. Box office income does not mean that there was narrative coherence. The Prequels at least has that. 8. Lacked world building. 9. Gave us essentially Vader 2.0, Yoda 2.0, Tarkin 2.0, Death Star 3.0 10. Hence, the Sequels were totally unoriginal. 11. The directors had far too much 'creative' licence, without any quality lore oversight or consultation with Filoni, Lucas etc.
@Cs-cp6vo
@Cs-cp6vo 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly the overuse of cgi in the sequels wouldn’t really be that bad if it held up even a little to the cgi of today and even the cgi of the time the movies came out
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
That last part may be the root problem. Star wars needed a guy like Kevin Feige, a nerd that has creative control and oversight of the principal storyline, but instead it got a bussinesswoman that only cared about money and three directors that only cared about their version of star wars
@sarasharick5209
@sarasharick5209 2 жыл бұрын
I can tell you *exactly* how Ben Solo became Kylo Ren. This poor kid spent two whole movies lamenting the absence of his parents in his life. Even Leia talked about how she felt there was something wrong with Ben. But what was “wrong” with him was that he *wanted* his parents in his life. But Leia was probably busy building the galaxy and Han probably had trouble relating to him (which they lifted from Han’s relationship with Jacen and Anakin.) So what do they do? Do they spend more time with him? Try to relate better to him? No, they ship him off to boarding school, run by his uncle. And is his uncle going to be the loving family Ben needs? No, Luke is trying to be the Jedi he thinks Obi Wan and Yoda were, the kind of Jedi he thinks everyone expects him to be. We already know Luke was promoting the “No attachments” business. So Ben is not getting the love and attention he wants from his parents and his uncle, he’s being told that’s something he shouldn’t even *want.* Snoke stepped in to exploit that. This is pretty much exactly what happened with Anakin. How can anyone be surprised that Ben turned out the way he did?
@MrZackavelli
@MrZackavelli Жыл бұрын
Why couldn't Luke just keep Kylo from interacting with Snoke?
@roffels11-gamingandhistory69
@roffels11-gamingandhistory69 Жыл бұрын
Good summary. Ep. VII and VIII tell this backstory, by the way, almost word for word so I too am confused by the here expressed "need" of a backstory.
@neotoad456
@neotoad456 7 ай бұрын
Kylo in the force awakens was 29 years of age, not a kid. Likely 32 in last jedi.
@sarasharick5209
@sarasharick5209 7 ай бұрын
@@neotoad456 fine. An adult who clearly has a lot of issues stemming from the fact that he didn’t his parents love and attention or his uncles love an attention when he was a child. It’s all he talks about for two whole movies. Way to latch on to the least important word in the whole comment.
@zouro
@zouro 9 ай бұрын
22 min mark… thank you too whoever this we’ll educated Star Wars is. She took words right out of my mouth
@khandimahn9687
@khandimahn9687 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels are a good story, told badly. The sequels are a bad story, told badly.
@mackmitchell94
@mackmitchell94 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels were not told badly at all, every time I ask someone to prove how that’s the case, they freeze up .
@khandimahn9687
@khandimahn9687 2 жыл бұрын
@@mackmitchell94 Poor writing and bad acting. The scripts needed polish, and Lucas is not a good director when it comes to people. That cast was stacked with multiple awards winners, so I certainly do not blame the actors.
@mackmitchell94
@mackmitchell94 2 жыл бұрын
@@khandimahn9687 please list some examples of poor writing and bad dialogue, don’t say the sand line cause that actually has been proven not to be bad dialogue . Lucas is not the best director of actors and never has been, but not good?? You’re dreaming, a director doesn’t get at his level without being good at directing actors and them understanding their characters . In fact you are completely wrong about the poor writing and poor directing assertion, the prequels have the best writing in Star Wars which is impressive because they also have the biggest story . Whenever I hear Hayden or Ewan talk about their characters, they know them so well, it’s like it’s a part of them . That couldn’t be the case if George was a poor director or shit at writing in the prequels . George actually did get scripts polished by many notable script doctors in Hollywood, Carrie fisher and Frank Darabont to name a few .
@mackmitchell94
@mackmitchell94 2 жыл бұрын
@@khandimahn9687 the original trilogy was criticized for poor dialogue and wooden acting too, so I guess they were also a good story told badly ??
@khandimahn9687
@khandimahn9687 2 жыл бұрын
@@mackmitchell94 Why get so defensive? You think the prequels are fantastic? That's fine, it's your opinion. I think they are flawed. That's fine, that's my opinion. But don't confuse opinions with facts. If you want to understand why I, and many others, feel the writing and directing in the prequels was poor you can find many articles and videos do a better job than I ever could.
@ethanhuff3438
@ethanhuff3438 2 жыл бұрын
If they took out the Finn part of the Last Jedi, and focused on Luke and Rey the entire movie, it would be way better
@smokeykenobi1653
@smokeykenobi1653 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate adams positive outlook on each trilogy buttt prequels all day baby
@BOABModels
@BOABModels 2 жыл бұрын
Prequels definitely - I rewatched them last when bed ridden with a stomach bug in February and they really did make me feel a lot better. With the sequels, I enjoyed the first two at the cinema but then more and more I just found things I disliked about them. RIS, I found I didn't like it whilst in the cinema. What a mess.
@Evangelium
@Evangelium 2 жыл бұрын
The prequels were great. I think they were well done, but the sequel trilogy was an incohesive mess. They had so much potential yet they seemed to have squandered it. The fall of Kylo Ren seemed stupid, the Knights of Ren looked like posers, nothing special became of Finn, the Emperor felt like a cockroach that runs away before you can kill it properly. Meh. I wish they could redo the sequels and just recton what's already there.
@jjgaming9860
@jjgaming9860 2 жыл бұрын
I'm not a huge fan of the prequels as a whole but I do love all the auxiliary material that has came in like Clone Wars, Rebels and Jedi Fallen order. I absolutely adore the force awakens and The Last Jedi and hate rise of Skywalker. But once again I like what Dave and Jon are doing filling in the gaps with the Mandalorian time frame. But to be honest my most anticipated show is acolyte becuz I'm actually ready to just get away from this hundred yr time span, of the Skywalkers. Time to meet new characters and new places all together. Either way this was a great discussion and I can see everybody's point of you. Thanks for not being over-the-top clickbait, with red Flames coming out of Kathleen Kennedy's eyes thumbnails.
@donnieuchiha
@donnieuchiha 2 жыл бұрын
Would rather have watched Ryan guide and contribute more to this conversation
@Akirasloss
@Akirasloss 2 жыл бұрын
Ryan’s frustration at the end 😂😂😂
@mattypearl
@mattypearl 2 жыл бұрын
Hello there
@ChristianFrates1997
@ChristianFrates1997 Ай бұрын
General Kenobi!
@TheMaxRebo
@TheMaxRebo 2 жыл бұрын
I actually really enjoy the sequel trilogy movies ... but not as the last chapter of the Skywalker saga. I felt it undid a lot of Anakin's ark. If they were just sort of standalone Star Wars movies I would enjoy them a lot more
@jordiruiz3793
@jordiruiz3793 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, they would work way better as spin offs of the originals.
@JaredLautenslager
@JaredLautenslager 2 жыл бұрын
They're great fan films 👍🏻
@AhmadAneeq
@AhmadAneeq 2 жыл бұрын
this is a video I needed honestly
@coronbrown9238
@coronbrown9238 2 жыл бұрын
Finallly someone says it about Last Jedi!!!!!!!
@dzas_cave
@dzas_cave 2 жыл бұрын
I have to say the sequels, because I liked the force awakens and most of last Jedi. I absolutely loathe rise of Skywalker. When it comes to the prequels I don't like any of them, but I like bits of revenge of the sith
@hewh0wearspants
@hewh0wearspants 2 жыл бұрын
If we're talking about each trilogy as a unit of three movies, then I must admit that the prequel films make for a better trilogy, if only because they are more consistent and coherent _as_ a trilogy. They're still bad-to-middling movies, though, elevated only by better-scripted supplemental materials like the Clone Wars show The sequel trilogy _could_ have been pretty great, if not for Rise of Skywalker. I remember after The Last Jedi, for the first time in _decades,_ being genuinely excited for what could come next in Star Wars. Then RoS took all that potential and squandered it on nostalgia
@MrSofly2010
@MrSofly2010 2 жыл бұрын
First time I’ve ever heard someone say Rian Johnson did a great job. You can tell that guy is a writer.
@burnum
@burnum 2 жыл бұрын
The big difference between the Star Wars sequels and the JJ Star Trek movies is that the Star Trek movie establish lore and backstory while being it's own thing. The directors for the sequels didn't plan the movies out ahead of time, and that's why it felt out of place from one to the next one. What happened between Anakin & Padme needed to be shown in order to convey just how much he was changing her mentally. JJ was forced into a corner when they killed off Snoke IN THE SECOND MOVIE.
@JackSmith-ns1uq
@JackSmith-ns1uq 2 жыл бұрын
Theres some genuine love for the prequels and theres a lot I agreed with in this conversation but wish there was someone who represented the prequels better in this conversation. There are certain things that were not only just better but they completely blew the sequel trilogy out of the park. Like yes the sequels look better because of time, but everything else on that level is so much better. The planets are all unique. The ships and technology is all new and unique. So many different costumes and new designs. The sequel trilogy is mostly unmemorable planets and copying and pasting the original trilogies designs. The music is so much better. Not that the sequel trilogy is bad but its really not that memorable. There are three bangers from the prequels that any fan would know but theres a lot of other musical queues that are iconic and used throughout the rest of star wars. Not to mention as a whole the prequels just do so much more for star wars. The dialog is a weakness for sure, but i felt like they talked about the story telling like it was horrible. The dialog wasnt the best, but we got a pre-thought of three part story which has a lot of indepth themes and character archs. The sequels simply dont have that. Yes the dialog is good, there are good moments or good parts of the films, but ultimately it falls flat because there wasnt a clear or unique vision. Prequels on the desert island without hesitation.
@thewatchfemme4051
@thewatchfemme4051 2 жыл бұрын
Let’s hear it from all The Last Jedi stans! The best film in the sequel trilogy, because it had a strong narrative voice. I used to defend JJ Abrams but he is only capable of being a fan and that’s not enough. Being an enthusiast should come as a response to something good, just being an enthusiast, or a fan, or a nerd, isn’t enough. We all love a Greatest Hits album, but when that’s all you’re capable of, you’ll be playing smaller venues.
@dietoworms5836
@dietoworms5836 2 жыл бұрын
Agree with everything Adam says in this video.
@bigtim8617
@bigtim8617 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t usually agree with your takes; which tend to lean more progressive than my own, which are admittedly more conservative; but I love your content b/c of that very reason. It opens my mind up to different perspectives, and really helps give me a more knowledgeable and well informed view of the both the franchises and fandoms, that we are all so obsessed with. That said, this video was very very good; and nailed the pros and cons of both trilogies.
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