Why do fascists hate Star Wars? Same answer. Star Wars is about following your individual instincts, accepting the natural flow of things, self reliance, loyalty and family. These are all things that would destroy fascism. They want us calling the Stasi lines on each other, and obeying their dictates. Contrast how the Rebels and the Resistance treat soldiers who want to leave. One lets them go, one tazes them. White slavers indeed.

I don't think they do, but I also think they don't care as strongly as us fans either. They are business people. What people don't understand is a company as big as Disney is basically like a country. There are several factions that all want to do their own thing. Unfortunately, the faction that has a gigantic influence also happens to have some 5th column characteristics and is gRAPING Star Wars.

@@PrimoPetebusiness people making the worst business decision with a franchise that has possible infinite profit 🤔

The more important question is why do you people pretend the hate for the prequels never happened? We've been through this before.

They don't so much hate Star Wars as they hate the audience that it comes tied with. Or more specifically their expectations. If they could puppet around Star Wars' skin while not putting in the effort for attention to detail, they would.

Not even up to that level

It’s straight up just ripping off the snap from Endgame with none of the emotional payoff. They really thought Rey saying “I am all the Jedi” after taking over their entire legacy, was going to even hold a candle to “I… am… Iron Man.” Tony’s sacrifice still gives me chills years later. Rey’s still makes me cringe.

That entire scene was frankly a huge letdown in terms of script quality. Even Sidious didn’t sound like Sidious. Then you had an extremely overdone sequence of several throwback character voices all taking turns repeating *the same exact line*.

Only Valkorion could pull that off And he had the power to back it up

​@@epiczk0n141 Well you did just compare apples to oranges. Because Rey doesn't make a sacrifice...Tony does. What does Rey lose when she delivers that line? Nothing. She just drops a one liner with no loss.

I remember rubbing my forehead and letting out the biggest breath of disappointment lol during that scene. I wanted to leave the theater, I looked over at my friends and they were doing the same exact thing lol. We talked about how shit the movie was for hours after we left the theater. If there’s one thing Disney’s good at it’s getting friends together to laugh at how awful products are and fuel a ton of inside jokes at their expense.

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@@flightsimx imagine if people did not buy their lies and never went to see their trash and they got forced to listen to fans to sell product instead of creating trash

Don't forget the literal earrape meme by Palpatine, in a movie in the goddamn cinema. What were they thinking fr. Fever dream perfectly encapsulates the feeling.

From the moment I watched Rise of Skywalker, I’ve been thinking the same thing. The whole movie felt like an elementary playground make believe game. “Now all my star destroyers have Death Star fun’s!” “Oh yeah, half the galaxy shows up out of nowhere with zero context to fight your star destroyers”

32:16 Did you see the worldwide box office gross?

Doesn't change my opinion. And the box office gross decreased as more of her movies were made.

@@Mlaww1384 empirical evidence isn't enough to convince you why a person whos job is to make money is still employed? Also the box office decreased from A New Hope to Empire to Return of the Jedi, must be a terrible series of movies going by your cope!

@@Bellylover2, it's a bit different when movies earn less when it's the creator vs a company that bought it, put someone in charge, and is seeing diminishing returns and reviews. I enjoyed most of the shows released on Netflix but the movies just don't do it for me.

@@Bellylover2 But back when the origianl trilogy came out, George Lucas didn't have to pay someone $4 Billion to get the rights to make it.

Night and day.

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I still remember being in the restaurant next to the movie theater with my wife, doing everything I could to keep the mystery of the film for myself. I told her that I hadn’t looked up reviews yet, but I had heard lots of good things, and how they already greenlit a sequel for the director. To demonstrate the point, I pulled up Rotten Tomatoes. And then… I saw the audience score. If only I had had the presence of mind to say “I have a bad feeling about this.”

I came out of TFA thinking, "Well, I didn't much like that, but they left a lot of dangling threads. Maybe my opiniom will change when they resolve some of those in the next one." Well, I can honestly say that my opinion changed. Not favorably, but it changed.

Liked it at first since I grew up with the prequels, but after seeing why it was bad I didn’t even bother watching tros

I never get why anyone would like the thought of Palpatine return, wouldn't that just ruin Vader's sacrifice and return to good.

What a great analogy!

@@infinitepossibilities861 True. Although it always felt to me that he was "boasting" as a way to turn Anakin to the dark side. To me it was always proposed as a lie, not truth. And it does diminish everything that happens in the Return of the Jedi, which in turn makes it a bad move for the writers to hand on to.

The old Expanded Universe stories where Palpatine returns as a clone or spirit were decent. But this was handled tremendously badly.

​@mirceazaharia2094 people forget that Vader's sacrifice didn't (well initially) just bring balance to the force by killing Palpatine. It also was to save his son's life so he could live on and be able to create a new jedi order. So whenever people say that Vader's sacrifice was made pointless when Palpatine was resurrected in the EU/Legends, they forget that the Jedi Order was restored and made anew by Luke. Unfortunately, we can't say the same in the Disney Canon as Luke (and by extention the Skywalker bloodline) and the New Jedi Order was destroyed with the last of the Palpatine lineage surviving. In the current Disney Canon, Palpatine won and Vader's sacrifice was all in vain.

Its really funny that they champion DEI when they are actively racist for a quick buck

I was just thinking about that. Don't want him to end up with Rosie? Sure, fine, whatever, as long as your replace it with something else. Oh wait, you didn't? Now he's just a lame dipshit loser who's trying to avoid the woman who loves him to instead get eternally friendzoned by the main character. Like one of the only really thematically relevent scenes of TLJ was her telling Finn about sacrificing to save people you love... and they just threw that away for literally nothing.

Actually they flat out removed him from one of the movies and the posters in China.

Remember, diversion and exclusivity are the real terms of moneymakers. And if it means being racist for money, then Disney will happily do so. It’s one thing to stand against yourself, it’s another to stand against yourself and make the exact same mistakes that those you stood against did and then act completely narcissistic and psychotic when you are wrong for repeating 20-year-old mistakes. When Micheal Bay’s Transformers movies got right what Disney’s Star Wars got wrong and twisted everything upside down to make something uniquely evil, it really shows me how this killing of tradition was so botched by Disney. I wouldn’t have had a problem with these character assassinations and risks if they had a point or underlying reason to happen. They simply didn’t. Thankfully Warhammer is still good, because without them, the magic of evil science mythology would probably be dead.

I think we all thought Finn was going to be a jedi

Funny thing is that in interviews, he stressed that he liked the movies, but as we all know, he was keeping his real opinions to himself.

He was thinking, "This is how my legacy dies. With thunderous applause."

RIP Mr Rogers He was one of the last real kids entertainers who understood his audience.

As a former child, I can confirm.

You've been vindicated all these years later

the funny thing was, Lucas always planned for Episodes 1-3 to come out. The issue was always technology and money. The scripts and outlines themselves were episodes 1-2 (as one movie), 3-4 (as one), 5-6 (as the last). However each movie would have been between 6-7 hours long....with a monstrous budget for that time. Not to mention all the practical effects needed to just pull off episodes 1-3 would have broken any studio. So Lucas went with breaking up the scripts into 6 parts, and started the story at Episode 4 knowing that was the safer bet for some studios to green light. I really do think people just misunderstand Episodes 1-3 because of how contradictory they were in the EU years from the 1970's comics to the release.

Matt stone and Trey Parker had that take on one of their commentaries for southpark and they even did episodes later roasting it.

I was a prequel defender since I saw pod racing for the first time. I endured years of backlash for my view but once the sequel trilogy dropped I look back and smile. You didn't appreciate what was there until it was gone. It's poetic justice.

@@grygaming5519 This is so far from true that I'm honestly impressed. Star Wars is about the furthest thing from a planned out story.

Same feelings, but i actually learned my lesson only when they did it again with Obi Wan, that was the last straw for me.The mandalorian 2 first seasons rekindled a gilmmer of hope in me for Star Wars, so i was actually excited about the Obi Wan Kenobi show. When they deconstructed Obi Wan again, just like Luke, I was so angry, it was the last straw, i stoppped watching or being excited for any following Star Wars projects.

Yes, TLJ ended my family's consumption of DIS. There is one exception: all YT videos documenting DIS failures and celebrating their failure.

I've been thinking long and hard about the same thing, because it really is quite amazing. Honestly, I think one of the biggest issues is the fact that Disney is so big that they can't adjust to the market anymore. There's so many layers that they don't get information to the people who need it.

I've come to the conclusion it's a case of leadership having priorities that aren't good business. They have done what they wanted, though it has not ended how they wished.

The funny thing is, even their “new story” isn’t actually new, but just a rehash of the OT. They were either too lazy or too afraid to try something new, so we ended up with a trilogy that’s completely unoriginal and pointless.

Disney Stars Wars feels like it was created by a committee, because it was/is.

The prequels did not tell that story arc at all. Rushed, poorly written and tonally terribly.

with all respect to Lucas, but the prequels are just a fascinating character study about a man's hubris and distance from reality, thinking that anything we would write on that yellow paper noteblock with his pen would turn into nothing but artistic gold

@@Lektuerekurs The prequels are not bad. They're not the same as the OT, but that's okay. None of the Lucas Star Wars movies follow the same structure as the last one but they all connect and have a unified vision. The Disney movies actively seek to invalidate previous movies while recreating their structure with less likable characters and weaker plots. I don't know if this is done out of ignorance or some misunderstood sense of subversion, but it makes them unwatchable as a fan of previous Star Wars movies.

Thanks for sharing that, mate. I can only imagine how special that moment must have been. I was fortunate enough to see the OT as a boy in cinemas in 1997, but CGI was well established by that time, so the impact (while still present) did not have the same wow factor on a “modern” audience. I’m sorry you, like so many, feel personally hurt by what Disney has done to Star Wars, but you are definitely not alone. I choose to place Lucas’ films in there own compartment in my soul, where they remain seperate from everything new and can be enjoyed in isolation (god bless physical media). I don’t think there will come a time where I no longer care for Star Wars, but I’ve reached a point where I don’t look forward to anything new (which is sad). I also avoid a lot of new content, because I know it will upset me. But Disney can’t take away what made Star Wars special, and the lessons Lucas’s characters taught me. They can do their best to tarnish them, but hope is never truly lost as long as there is at least one brainless lump like me left to fight for it. Regardless, welcome to the sheltered harbour, you are most welcome here.

@@workingjellyfish yes that's another thing you hit nail on the head in he video and reiterated here; when they announced the new trilogy a few months back, I remember thinking if you had told me when I was a kid that someday a new set of Star Wars movies was announced and I was less than giddily enthusiastic hearing that news, I'd have assumed that meant I'd already be dead. Instead, hearing the news of new movies was more saddening than anything. Anyway thanks for the great content, it really helps a lot of people feel better about it all.

My exact experience. My father took me for my seventh birthday, and when the lights went down and the theme music blared and the intro scrolled into the space above the looming Star Destroyer, it was like my senses awoke for the first time. I was hypnotized. Even at that age I appreciated that I wasn’t being talked down to like a child; George was right-children understand far more than they are given credit for. When it was over and I walked back into the heat outside, everything had changed. It had stirred in me a sense of adventure, of stories and worlds yet to be discovered, created. I had that same record you mentioned, and would listen to it religiously with my father’s oversized headphones on to get the stereo effect of the lasers shooting from my left to my right ear. I was a girl who collected the action figures obsessively and played with the boys on my block, scenes we would try and accurately remember from our single viewing. Yeah. I could write paragraphs but I think many of us had the very same experience. An experience that I’ve tried to replicate, tried to explain to others-but it’s simply impossible. I remained a fan my whole life, up to a quarter of the way into The Force Awakens. Then I knew it was truly and utterly dead. What they did after was merely dragging the corpse through the town square.

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i own the original box set of VHS tapes... un edited and not the special edition edits either.... the original cuts... it is the most valuable thing i own, and i plan to pass it down to my son once i die. my dad gave it to me when he died of cancer, he and i bonded over star wars over the decades... watching disney star wars made him say this to me once "son... seeing what they did to our star wars hurts me more than this cancer and leaving your mother and you alone ever could" of course he was being sarcastic with that last half but it really broke his heart to see last jedi. thankfully he died because rise of skywalker came out. i have a son of my own and i exposed him to star wars and he and i bonded over it. i gave him all the audiobooks to listen to of the EU and various tie in books he loved them all.... he eventually learned about disney star wars and was confused as to why i never shared those with him. he eventually started watching the sequels, rebels and ahsoka/kenobi... we had a talk last week and he understands why i never exposed this to him first and he is really happen i exposed him to the good stuff. he and i still will sit down stairs and put one of the audiobooks on on the home sound system and just enjoy the good story unfold... disney star wars nearly ruined star wars for him too so he stopped watching the garbage

What about clone wars season 7 or the bad batch or Mando season 1 no one cares about the other 2 seasons and what about and or the ones I listed are the few Disney either did well or started well oh yeah and tales of the Jedi and rebels

Correct, it's terrible fan fiction. You should look into the EU books if you haven't already. The Thrawn trilogy is brilliant. I really don't care if some corporation says it's canon or not.

@@Thatoneidiot001 Fioloni work's was minimal in those so some of it was salvagable. But Ashoka had not been so fortunate as those

I always felt like that even with the EU before Lucas sold it. The only true Star Wars is 1-6.

@@Thatoneidiot001 It is easier to just draw the line instead of making exceptions.

Thanks mate, it was too accurate to leave out.

We all felt that way. Now here we remain: the survivors of Disney's Order 666

My reaction after palpatine return from the dead

Ah simpler times, when one would scare their children into obedience.

Oh please don't compare our German fairy tales with Disney Star Wars. The fairy tales actually have a message and are classics that have endured time. Disney Star Wars on the other hand....@@workingjellyfish

European children and USA children are built different. As an Italian when I was 3 grandpa used to read Pinocchio to me, and I am talking about the priginal version, the Disney/US one has like 10% of the original stuff and is also boringly puritan. And original Pinocchio is nothing compared to Ulisses story, which was told to me when I was 7, without any sort of censorship, like when Ulisses and his crew drill out the eye of Polifemus with a blazing battering ram.

@@Lampolukeyeah American puritanism is awful

⁠@@Lampolukeit’s definitely way more of a generational thing than a cultural one, at least among western cultures.

Exactly because to leftist democrats which are EVIL....EVIL has to win...It's a microcosm of LEFTISM !

Also begging you to buy merchandise. And not so subtly implying there’s something wrong with you if you didn’t buy the merchandise. Like only a misogynist wouldn’t buy the Rey merchandise.

​​@@cathygrandstaff1957 Disney Star Wars merchandise is almost always on clearance and will form a significant portion of many landfills that's not an exaggeration, imagine all the wasted petroleum used to manufacture that plastic crap that literally nobody wants.

@higgsbonbon The worst part of it is the children that are suffering because of this. If I was a child in China working 18 hour days making that crap from which I didn't even know what the product was and knowing it would be shipped 7,000 miles to a land where it just gets dumped in a landfill I would be pissed!

@@dreckken Do I detect... _spite_ against the system? Mandatory reeducation for this one and its family. NEXT LABORER!

Beloved characters lol You know, I.P laws don't extend to your imagination - just make up your own star wars [assuming that it's too late for you to climb out of your cultural sewer]

I share that sentiment, the plagiarism of the EU boils my barnacles.

@@workingjellyfish By away, this is a fantastic documentary. Well done.

All this and being called “gatekeeper”, “hater” or whatever other cheaparse insult they can muster rather than make better content to shut us up. Disney makes something better, we’d all move on, but when we’ve had something mostly excellent (and Kevin Anderson) and it’s been replaced with mindless dross, I’m fucked if I’m not going to say as much.

Someone should add: Disney just decanonized what wasn't 100% canon in the first. You just know clearly how much it was...

@@seimen4348 I can’t find a link right now, but they said they were decanonising *all* of it to give free rein to future creators, so they weren’t saddled to the past. Not having to work around what was in the EU was the reason they gave for binning it. That it’s just items and characters that are getting used is what’s depressing. They want the cache of the EU creators’ work as a crutch, because they have no faith in the ability of current employees. Call beskar something else, we’re not having this conversation. Have a none blue grand admiral, would anyone notice the change? They’re all using these as memberberries for EU readers, to try and drag them in. It’s piss poor effort on their part. “We”re going to kill what exists but use bits because it’s easy shorthand”…it’s a crass business practice, not something to give creative freedom which was their claim.

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It's kinda rare to get a show that's still Star Wars in it's own way.

Ahsoka is from the Clone Wars animated movie... They are marketing her to attract the fans who loved the Clone Wars animated shows. There are people who love said shows.

But if you don't buy all the tickets and subscriptions and watch every mediocre show and piss poor, blatantly formulaic color by numbers movie that they keep pumping out, how are you going to keep being a sucker for the...I mean...keep up with what people are watching? Where's your FOMO? Sarcasm aside, though? Yeah, it's all dogshit. Modern Star Wars. Modern Marvel. I know it's still popular, but I'm a 90's kid. Venom, for example, is supposed to be an unhinged, brutal killing machine with a little bit of a conscience. He later becomes the Lethal Protector, ripping muggers to bloody strips and feasting on the remains. What did we get? Black flubber being a fucking jester. Shameful. Honestly, I'm basically back to how I was when I was like 5: if it ain't a really good or a really dumb horror movie, I don't care anymore. Bonus points if it's a splatter fest. Call it what you like.

@@xenogorwraithblade2538 I'm willing to accept both Venom the brutal, unhinged killing machine with a little bit of conscience, and also black flubber. I like both. I find both to be valid, and treat them as their own separate timelines. Also, my only Fear Of Missing Out that I have left is not having enough time or skill to bring the stories that I personally am working on right now to life, in a useful timeframe, and at the level of quality that I want. I have proceeded to cut out everything from my life that takes away time from me gaining the necessary experiences and inputs to develop storytelling and writing skills, as well as build myself up as a person.

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⁠@@mirceazaharia2094as a fellow aspiring writer, do you mind giving some tips as to your process? Like do you just sit and get to writing, or are there any courses/videos you use to help structure your work? I haven’t seriously written since high school, and I’ve been trying to get back into it, but I tend to get discouraged due to feeling imposter syndrome 😅

Yeah Kennedy didn’t want Rey to owe Luke anything. That’s the real reason he doesn’t appear until the end of TFA, JJ’s initial plan was he would appear earlier and start training her but there were concerns from KK that he’d become the focus of the movie instead of Rey. KK really hates Luke.

@@cathygrandstaff1957 You could honestly just say "KK hates men" and be correct. There's a reason why the new director for the Rey Series is a radical feminist who "wants the series to make men uncomfortable" and both the male leads of the OG Trilogy were used for fanbaiting before being killed off to make way for Mary Sue the character.

@@Aleph3575 No, that’s a misquote. She said she was happy her previous documentaries, which were about honor killings of women and other legitimate problems faced by women in Pakistan, made men uncomfortable. She never said she was aiming to make men uncomfortable in the Star Wars movies she’s been hired for. She might, she might not.

No one on the Disney Lucasfilm staff is intelligent enough to write a believable Thrawn, though.

Rogue one was good. Maybe cuz nobody from Disney had a say in it.

@@georgemurdock7670 Apparently rogue one was meant to be a lot darker before someone at Disney threw a fus.

@@sargesacker2599 it was compareable pretty dark already...

Oh no, your allegiance to Disney's toy adverts is wavering! How sad

Glad to see others who had an experience very similar to mine speak like this, thank ye. While I wasn't on the Star Wars train since toddler age, I was introduced to it early by an older cousin and grew up with it, prequel releases and major SW vidya games basically punctuated my teenage years. I loved the OT and PT despite their flaws, I loved the principle of storytelling about it all, and while I ridiculed some aspects of SW EU I still spent hours and hours reading EU material (not to mention playing games, which are mostly EU too) and enjoying loading up on lore even when I laughed at some products while loving others. Disney's takeover changed a lot, the obliteration of Lucasarts being a crippling blow by itself given my love of SW video games. I felt like it was a metaphorical smell of smoke in the room that everyone chose to ignore when I said I had a bad feeling about Disney's stewardship. When Force Awakens released, it clearly didn't impress my Star Wars fan friends but they chose to load up on hopium and "it's bound to get better" and laughed at my distaste for it; when mediocre shows and worse movies released later, they came to see my point but it was too late by then, for them and everyone - there was little more to enjoy in Star Wars as told by Disney for us. At least I'm glad they eventually came around from "I dunno man, you're overreacting, it's better than you think it is" to "oh well, you were right and it sucks, let's forget about it", and to this day we enjoy old SW EU games and side materials but haven't really talked about ""official"" Star Wars Disney material almost at all over the past two years or so. Still, it feels almost wrong, to see a franchise I sincerely thought impossible to truly screw up and sink, be felled so completely and causing nothing but apathy for its current state - not even hatred or dislike, but abandonment.

What you described is eerily similar to my experience with the Halo franchise. Pretty much exactly point for point. People calling me a reactionary when I felt like 343 industries was fucking it up back in 2012. And now everyone echoing my own critique 10 years later. Having so much opportunity to make something great and instead making something shockingly terrible. Almost like they're doing it on purpose. Decades from now Disney Star Wars and 343's Halo will both go down as perfect examples of how to kill classic, beloved franchises. One for Movies and the other for Video Games.

Your collection sounds so sicc! And it can ve revived but never by disney

When Disney decanonized the EU I knew stuff was going to be bad, but I still deluded myself that at least the movies would be decent, after watching Episode 7, I no longer had any such delusions. I haven't given disney a cent since then. But I still love the EU, I couldn't care less about the disney universe, I simply ignore it.

Born in 00 yet saw phantom menace in 99? In theaters? I sense a trap

Could have had a whole story arc about fashioning the Jedi into a watchdog against the inevitable excesses of the new republic, instead of the republics enforcement arm like it was during the clone wars.

Disney imagines things, not you

I hate how rebels is more childish them clone wars when the world of rebels is in a time where depravity oppression slavery and torture were encouraged

@@tornadragon4047 As with Clone Wars, some of the best of Rebels was when it pushed the limits of its rating.

@@panther-nk2hn That's why i think killing the grand inquisitor was a bad decision because he brought moments like showing the dead jedi and mocking kanan that really made me feel for the heroes

@@tornadragon4047 the show did pretty well when it expanded the universe and went places that hadn't been explored (at least in Disney's new canon). I loved all the Mandalorian arcs (though maybe that's just me being a massive fan of the Mandalorian culture).

@panther-nk2hn It's the inconsistencies that hurts it. It has great peaks like the bendu and kanan getting blinded but really low lows where it's like Congrats you watched them gather fruit for 20 minutes

The Yuuzhan Vong was the first series of books I read. I fucking loved them.

all you have to look at is KOTOR 2 for what Star Wars storytelling can be. Chris Avelone, the primary writer for the game wasn't even a fan of Star Wars before working on the game, but he still watched all of the movies, and dove deep into the EU with the books and comics in order to get the best understanding of the SW universe and how it operates to write the best story he could. that's dedication and if the development cycle for the game wasn't so rushed, I truly believe it could have been even better than it already is.

There are a few good things in SW canon, but yeah the EU would always be a part of Star Wars.

That is still icomprehensible to me. Was she rellay that clueless , after being put in charge of Star Wars, not knowing abotu expanded universe, when a simple search or wiki read would ahve enlightened her? Or was it all already a part of her plan to "burn the past" to make place for her own bullsh*t ?It sounds still so weird for me.

Thanks mate.

This is what they do to every fandom they infiltrate, take over and eventually make it all about them and their personal ideologies and tell the people who built the fandom to get lost. Their like locusts, destroy prosperity in one field, move on to the next.

"A black man in the spotlight" The irony The problem probably comes from narcecists being involved, remember when Ryan got pissed at critism and then claimed he didn't?

I had a similar experience. Had someone tell me that the Force Awakens was the “perfect Star Wars movie” and that I was not a “true Star Wars fan” for not thinking so. I guess I’m not… since I have skipped several of the movies and series based on poor reviews at this point.

Hashtag Lando

Oh yeah. Yeah... Its incredible how toxic the Disney sycophants get. Welp. I for one was always more of a fan of the prequel EU, and never muched liked Filoni. So I can keep going with that and all the great fan projects being made about it like the mods. I wonder if they can keep going without my money? heh. Welp. I'm no betting man, but looking at that drop in share price, I don't thinm they can.

Because everything was ripped from A New Hope. Everything was stolen from something better. But even then it's still a pretty indefensible film. Perhaps the only new idea from that movie was Finn. Not his execution, but the concept of his character. A stormtrooper turned Rebel leader. Cool idea. Terrible execution. Everything else in that movie was bad or stolen from A New Hope.

​@@Remember_Bubblebutt Thank you! I've been trying to figure out how to say that for a while now. It's like you pulled my thoughts out of my head and typed them for me to read!

My reaction was similar to Mauler's review when started the movie. I was already skeptical before my family dragged me to see it, but when that first sentence of the title crawl cleared the bottom of the screen, my mind went *record scratch*, ok timeout, hold on, stop wait, dammit. It was downhill from there.

The story was a bit contrived, and when you left the cinema, you felt a little empty. But. It was the first movie. You thought they had runway to save the ship. I remember leaving the cinema. I could barely remember what had happened in the movie. Star destroyer gets blown up, oh yeah, also the new republic is just non existent, and we won’t explain how a galaxy spanning civilization virtually disappears. And… one of the poster leads is practically murdered(fake out) at the end of the first movie. It tasted the same. But it brought some cool things. It brought an interesting if not cryptic villain(s). It brought back entire original cast as well… hmmm Honestly, the most memorable part of the movie is the death of Han. And mostly because of how big of a shock it was

I won’t defend the other sequels but Force Awakens is a good film definitely better than both Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones. The new characters are more interesting, have more depth and are performed better than the likes of Jar Jar, Anakin, Padme etc. These characters only really become good in expanded media or in RotS. The plots pretty fun and sets up the First Order as a tangible threat establishing what SHOULD have been the trilogy’s conflict. It’s a good starter film to a trilogy it’s the follow ups that mess things up.

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Yeah that's pretty much the best we can expect without George at the helm, same as IPs like the Cthulhu mythos, Tolkien's Legendaerium or Sherlock Holmes stories, once the original creator is gone, everything else is fanfic. For me I choose to enjoy it for what it is on a fanfic/what if type level, for others it ruins their entire lives and turns them into demented maniacs who react with apoplectic rage every time some related media is released.

Used to love him. Now his DSP-looking arse has proven his incompetence, I think a lot of people despise him.

Granted the Clone Wars actually was Really good. George lucas directly oversaw production on the clone wars which is more than likely why the series turned out to be a masterpiece, unlike rebels.

Filoni never cared about Lucas's vision, even during TCW. He writes his personal, whimsically childish fanfiction and nothing more.

​@@bluehero-96ah, yes. Tonight's episode, the writer's barely disguised fetish, starring Space Wolves and Orange Buttcheeks.

You are in good company.

Luke must eventually have learned the truth…that his mother was responsible for putting Emperor Palpatine on the throne, that the Empire was, indeed, just the same old Republic with a change in management philosophy, that which side was good and which was bad was a matter of perspective after all.

Sorry, no. It was the hidden Sith Lord, Darth Jar-Jar that put Palpetine on the throne.@@Mistmantle88

@@surferdude4487 Queen Amidala moved the vote of non-confidence in Chancellor Valorum’s leadership, setting up her own politician Sheev Palpatine to be the next Chancellor. Her representative Binks moved to give him emergency powers. The Senate voted in everything Naboo asked for.

Nah Plo Koon would’ve had no way near the impact Luke did. Plo Koon is really only relevant to people who have seen the clone wars or are fans of the expanded universe.

Welcome to the sheltered harbour, my friend. Your tale is very similar to my own, right down to leaving the cinema after watching The Last Jedi and feeling confused, hurt and in time … mad. I recall vividly a phone call with my father asking me what I thought of The Last Jedi. Up until this point I had always given Star Wars 5/5 stars, it was a running joke with my dad that no other films could ever get 5 stars, because nothing compared to Star Wars. But I said: “I’m not sure”. Perhaps I had misunderstood the film, perhaps I was too dumb to understand it, perhaps I was the problem? Because there was no way I could say what I was feeling. My father thought I was taking the piss, “nah, what did you actually think?” … “I’m not sure, I think … I think I hated it.” It nearly brings me to tears to this day thinking about that moment, how could I? A man who loved Star Wars, who had been raised on, if not BY, Star Wars feel this way? My entire childhood, my moral compass (including how I define love and hate), my very center felt wrong, felt used, even abused. I too turned to KZfaq, desperate not to be wrong about something that had been so important to me, something that I thought I understood, pleading and attempting to reassure myself that I wasn’t alone. I wasn’t. “No … there is another”. As it turns out there were more than a few who felt the same way and could give voice to the frustrations I had. Unbeknownst to me, this was the start of the adventure that would lead to the creation of my channel. As I watched the other franchises, I had loved debauched, subverted and abused for a quick dollar, I began to pick apart why I was reacting so negatively. I watched, I read and I learned. Not only about the art of entertainment, but also about myself and came to realize that out of my suffering, I could hopefully help others to laugh, to learn and to belong. You are not alone, mate. And I’m sorry that Disney has made you feel this way about something that was/is so important to you. But they cannot touch what made you who you are, and your Star Wars experience (for better or worse) is yours and yours alone. Hope is a good thing, even in the darkest of times, even if that hope is as simple as enjoying the first six Star Wars films without associating them with Disney. Regardless, thanks for sharing and thanks for your support, you are very welcome here.

I was born in 96 and my story with star wars matches yours almost entirely. I've come to peace with star wars essentially being a dead franchise but at least I have the six movies and all of the old expanded universe

This spoke to me

I was born in 87, sorta grew up the same time as you... The Star Wars toys were WAY cooler then... Micromachines and Kenner were awesome!

Born in 91. Bought all the extended universe books and was so deep into the lore, had a massive action figure collection. I LIVED for Star Wars as a kid. It breaks my heart to see it ruined by capitalism.

And it will be even worse.

@@Very-old-man You'd have to try or be completely inept to make fanfic worse than what Disney's doing.

@@r.henryjr.1533 Andor and Rogue One were fantastic. Crying about Disney all the time and blaming them for everything is easy. It’s the writers mate.

​@@Very-old-man Andor and Rogue One are pretty good, but I think the TCW 2008 series, the Bad Batch, and also Rebels are also not bad either. But yeah there's way too many ruined opportunities.

@@merafirewing6591 Yeah I agree mate, those shows certainly have great moments. It’s true Disney is capable of putting out good Star Wars content, they just have to get the right writers and directors to do it. I really hate people just saying Disney sucks because it is hit and miss like most things are these days.

The prequels had references to the eu? The only connection I recall is that they DIDNT follow the description of the clone wars given by Timothy Zahn. Unless you’re referring to The Clone Wars which pretty much destroyed the eu with its retcons and inconsistencies.

You love franchises

I concur.

Gotta disagree. Episode 8 is much like most of his other projects: To troll audiences and throw shade at the stupid morons who think his stuff is great. He's basically the thief from _The Emperor’s New Clothes._

@@Lobsterwithinternet I mean, considering he's come out and said that he considers a successful film to be something that's as liked as it is hated (which is quite literally the opposite of success, it's just another form of failure), you're not wrong.

Maybe Rian Johnson has guts but not instinct. It takes more than guts to write a good story you also need the instinct to write that type of story. My reading of The Last Jedi is that Rian hates Star Wars. For him it’s just a stupid popcorn flick that appeals to the brainless masses so he doesn’t have to work to make the film good, absolutely anything he shits out will be well received as long as he coats it in a nice layer of CG explosions. Which he does. He gives us lots of nice boom booms and pew pews over a story that doesn’t make any particular sense if you actually think about it but serves to get our characters from set piece to set piece and culminates with a ship on ship collision that could have been pulled straight out of Gundam and a battle on a crystal planet that’s beautiful to look at but again makes zero sense as a base. He expected this to earn him accolades because after all the Star Wars fanbase is just a bunch of man children who never moved past liking a dumb kid’s movie and was frankly shocked when we told him his work sucked and wasn’t up to the standards we’re used to. That and yes he’s a troll.

Yeah and the worst part they shut Down Lucasarts the one they make Star Wars Video Games and then they get rid of The Expanded Universe as well.

@@JosephOliver-kh9init’s one thing to shut down Lucasarts. It’s another when they give the exclusivity rights on Star Wars games to EA of all companies.

*_Put a chick in it and make it lame_*

@@DEATH-THE-GOAT best special Southpark has ever done.

I agree with the idea, but do you also shudder at all the movies that are 90% men? Probably the majority of movies in history ever made. So a few movies is fine no?

​@@mrcroob8563men are actually competent

​@@mrcroob8563exactly. In a world which hires on merit some rooms will be mostly men, some will be mostly women and most will be a mix. Thats just how statistics works. The problem with the sequel trilogy isn't wokeness (they aren't- they didn't even have the courage to explore Poe and Fin's relationship; they caved to online pressure and basically wrote out Rose). Its creatively bankrupt storytelling from people who subscribe to the Game of Thrones exec's philosophy: "themes are for school book reports".

A monkey on meth could right a better, more coherent story just flinging shit at a wall.

I really enjoyed Andor. I even did a review of the first 3 episodes (which didn't get much love, sadly).

I actually ran to the comments to say the same thing because I was going to if no one else had. 😂 Andor was incredible and shouldn't be associated with "why people hate Disney Star Wars" - except in the context that it's everything modern Star Wars has the potential to be, and the bar everything else should be set against (which is why most everything else is disappointing by comparison).

​@@workingjellyfish The first 3 are definitely the weakest of the entire series, which on one hand is great because they're still not BAD and it only gets better - but it's a double-edged sword.... I have a friend who watched the first two episodes after hearing from everyone he knows including myself how amazing it is, and he hasn't watched more because he said he didn't get into it. I've tried to tell him how many times that the first two episodes are slow and the third one is where it really kicks off and it just gets better after that.... and he's just like "yeah, I might keep watching it someday...." I'm like, no, you should've already been watched it a while ago.... Missing out on one of the best shows in this decade, and one of the best Star Wars products period, and he doesn't even know it. I know he'll be kicking himself for not watching sooner if he ever does.

BUT a great number of ex-fans still haven't seen it and won't see it because the other tripe posted them so far away

@@workingjellyfishAnd you didn’t bother to watch the rest? I skimmed through this video to try to see some acknowledgment of Andor. Sorry, I can’t take seriously any critique of Disney Star Wars that doesn’t at least contrast what a mighty achievement Andor has been.

I'm excited for Disney to go bankrupt and sell Star Wars to HBO tbh.

They have its called the high republic and honestly ruins the history of the franchise since its so close to the the prequels yet is treated as an ancient time like the old republic even though a charcter like yoda is alive at the time and a lot of the lore explanations for technology just dont make sense from a commen sense perspective

Andor 😂

Thanks for the kind words and sub, mate.

Exactly, they should have left the Skywalker Saga alone. If they wanted to do other films, then they should have gone a generation or so in the future (or way back in the past) and done something totally new.

I wouldn’t even have done that. Star Wars is the Skywalker Saga. Without it is just a setting. Any future stories are really just reminding of of the better story that was already told. For what it’s worth KOTOR worked so well because it was a video game that allowed the player to live the experience in a way that couldn’t be replicated watching a show. So it is the exception to the rule. The franchise needs to end completely.

I disagree. A franchise can go on indefinitely if great new characters and ideas are brought forth. Star Trek the Next Generation is a good example.

​@@DouglasLippi Star Trek was designed to have characters that could be used to tell multiple self contained individual stories. This allowed it to extend as long as it has. It allowed it to tell different stories without having to be tied into a central storyline which made it easier to add in new casts, new concepts, etc. It had a couple of spinoffs before fans started to get sick of it. Star Wars was designed to tell a specific story. The Skywalker story was told. Every attempt to extend it has been a recycling of what came before whether that be the EU or the Disney content. Every subsequent iteration has watered it down substantially. It wasn't designed to go on indefinitely. Star Wars needs to end.

@smol_pupper123 I read the majority of the EU novels but I tapped out a couple of books after the NJO series ended. It was entertaining but often derivative. There were pockets of character development but prior to the NJO the OT characters had minimal development. Everything was played very safe. Unfortunately the OT cast was too old, and in Harrison's case too unwilling, to be able to tell all of those stories in 2015. They would have had to skip too many important milestones like Coruscant being changed to a jungle planet and Chewie getting killed to do a live action movie in that timeline. If Disney was smart they could just do animated versions of the EU content but they poisoned the franchise so its a moot point now. The end result is dead franchise is dead.

Thanks for your kind words mate. I believe the best way to unpack issues like Disney Star Wars is through the eyes of a fellow fan with a sprinkle of humour and some patented salty criticism. That way we can have an open conversation, regardless of point of view, and a bit of fun at the same time.

You leave Max Rebo and the Jizz-wailers out of this! 😆

@@workingjellyfish I like them in the original version, but the special edition with the dance number and screaming potato I cannot abide lol

Similar with me. I love Star Wars, but if it was just the movies, the love would probably have faded a long time ago. The books were what it really wast at. I was hurt when they decided to drop the EU, but EU wasn't what it used to be at that point when Filoni's TCW had bulldozed the continuity and demoralised some of the authors. So I decided to give it a chance. Rebels was... OK. Didn't love it but didn't hate it either. Then TFA, I was giving it a fair chance so hard that it took me a while to admit that it wasn't good. Salvageable, but not good. Rogue One had a cool battle, but otherwise it was a boring movie. Then the Last Jedi, the chance to turn it around, but it decided to ruin it all instead. It was beyond recovery at that point. I could have been able to make peace with the matter if they replaced the EU with something decent, but they didn't. I think Solo is the best Disney SW movie so far and that isn't a high praise. Some parts of the Mandalorian season 1 and 2 were pretty good, but it could have had better writing. The less said about the other series, the better. The only Disney EU books I've read are Zahn's 2017 Thrawn trilogy. OK, but felt constrained for having to maneuver around Filoniverse.

I grew up the same I actually find the Star Wars films boring im a much more science fiction person than science fantasy. But star wars Video games and anything to do with the clone wars up to 2005 is the stuff I LOVE I find that so much more intersting than autistic incel space samurai

Now that is a unique viewing history, for sure. Thanks for sharing.

I think I will watch the Original Trilogy whenever I can only because I want to enjoy EU stuff, from what I heard just the Heir of The Empire novels are waaaay better than 90% of what Disney put out, I wish Lucas had recognized that when he could.

You are a bit weird

Thank you, that means a great deal to me. “If you build it, they will come”.

“Apathy is death”

You flatter me, thank you skipper. I try my best to give each topic the attention it deserves. Star Wars is / was very important to a lot of people, myself included. I hope the video reflects that.

I really dislike the "cancel-culture" thing myself. Specifically, how brazen some bigots are in their bigotry that they are able distract people from the other bigots who aren't so obvious about it... which allows those smarter bigots to claim foul when rational, educated people call them out on their bigotry. "I didn't say anything wrong. I'm being canceled." :/ Carano... shortly after she was fired, I looked through her twitter feed... nearly every week she's promoting an organization that's helping -- rescuing -- children being trafficked.... yet at the same time she was defending, and promoting, the White Nationalist who was in the White House at the time... the White Nationalist who... trafficked in children. That was just... bizarre. But, that's her ideology. He was her leader, so she stood by him... despite all the girls, and women, he has victimized over the years. What really got her in trouble was making multiple tweets about transpeople... and then tweeting a meme about how the Holocaust happened because people were being silenced. To _me_ she was using the Holocaust as a way to defend herself from criticism. More precisely, she was implying "The Holocause began because people were silent. If you cause people to stop talking, their silence will permit another Holocaust to happen"... when the people she _is_ bigoted against face violence from people like her. Hell! There is a US State Legislature that is trying to make Homosexuality Illegal once more! So, yeah, as you said, she was becoming a danger to the Disney Brand. Then she removes all doubt by joining an organization that's pretty open in its bigotry. *Shrugs* The problem with the ST is... it contradicts what came before. It contradicts itself... I had three expectations going into the theatre. 1. That we get to see Luke's Jedi Academy. 2. That we see how the married couple, Han and Leia are doing. 3. That we see the New Republic deal with a new threat. What I got in the TFA was... New Republic doesn't exist. All the Jedi are dead. Han and Leia broke up... after their son Ben (why was his name Ben?) turned to the Darkside because Snoke Truned him (where was Luke, his Family... why didn't they do something to prevent that?). That... the entire Sequel Trilogy is "the Rebel Alliance 2.0 to take on the Galactic Empire 2.0, lead by Darth Snoke." *Shakes Head* I did the calculations... very rough calculations... but the material used to make Starkiller Base was the equivalent, at a minimum of a Death Star. On top of that, unlike the Death Star, Starkiller Base uses entirely new technologies. The only tech similar to it, in Star Wars Lore, would be Centerpoint Station. Except, that only destabilized the star... not destroy 5 planets in a system. This implies that the First Order is _massive._ So, a small rag tag bunch of "Resistance" Fighters aren't a threat to it... but they are... because they represent "hope that the oppressors of the Galaxy will be defeated if enough people stand up against them". At the same time the First Order hasn't even conquered the Republic, yet. That's the first thing the First Order needed to do, conquer the republic. Then thy can worry about the resistance groups continuing the "good fight". Yet... that's not what the writers wanted... they wanted a Rebels vs Evil Galactic Empire... so the Republic had to be destroyed... and it was.. in a single scene. *Slow Claps* It only gets worse the more I thought about... Then the Last Jedi comes out... and the writer wanted to be different in tone/messaging/style of the other Star Wars movies. He was trying to deconstruct what made Star Wars so popular. While he also just copied previous movie tropes (and scenes) to help display his narrative. Yet, his portrayal of women in that movie... *Spits* They are a caricature of what bigots think of "feminists"... so they all railed against the movie because of "SJWs ruined Star Wars"... like. No. Idiot writers given too much freedom to write whatever they wanted without a master plan they had to stick to is what ruined the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy! If they spent time dissecting the women instead of bashing them... they would realize how effed up the women were too. _General_ Leia... regressed to a sheltered princess who is overly emotional to combat losses. She even physically assaulted a junior officer! "How dare you get all those people killed!" Yes... How dare he order the squadrons under his command to destroy a "Fleet Killer". Then... he's vindicated moments later when the First Order fleet exists hyperspace within attack range of them! Yet, Vice-Admiral Holdo treats him like he's filth. Yet, she too is a caricature... a Caricature of a Person in Power who is to teach their Juniors "to not thinking with their blasters." But, every competent soldier would never serve under her as she had all the _bad_ qualities of a superior officer. Here she was, just having a general meeting with her senior officers... makes a pretty speech... and then... doesn't discuss with them any plans required to get them out of the situation the Incompetent Admiral Akbar, and Emotional Princess Leia, put them in -- I mean, what sot of _competent_ Admiral allows their ships to operate on fumes? -- She refuses to even consider discussing any plans. Hell! She even refuses to admit she _has_ a plan! _Everyone_ knows the situation is dire... that if they don't do anything, they will run out of fuel... and be destroyed. That they only have enough fuel to make a single hyperspace jump... and they were tracked _to_ that system.. thus they can't even use that option Everyone knows they are going to die, so as the Senior Officer, in command, it's _her_ duty to shore up morale by ... making plans. By exuding confidence that some of them _will_ be able to leave the system alive... instead she goes Full on Karen Mode on the second or third most senior officer remaining in front of all the other officers and bridge crew for asking the one question they all wanted to ask; "Do you have a plan?". If she doesn't have a plan... that's what her staff is there to help her with. But, she decides to show them _all_ how contemptuous she is of them. And.. she did have one. A plan that would require tight coordination as the shuttles leave the hangar bay but she didn't even bother trying to _organize_ an evacuation plan, or contingency plans in case things go wrong. She wanted her soldiers to blindly follow orders like She's Emperor Palpatine Reborn! "Captain, Execute Order 404." Again... she's just a Caricature of a civilian's idea of a Senior Officer written to create tension (a reason for Poe and Gang to _do something_ instead of sitting around for 30ish hours). She's not what a feminist would be... despite the writers giving her the stereotypical _physical appearance_ of one. Again, SJWs didn't ruin Star Wars Sequel Trilogy with "Feminism" or "Wokism"... it was ruined through completely avoidable incompetence! Are there good things about Disney Canon? Probably. Do I really care enough about the Disney Wars lore to look for the parts? Nope! Why? As one person commented below, all paths lead to the Sequel Trilogy... and it has destroyed Star Wars by rewriting the laws of Star Wars Physics, irrespective to the unknown fate of the New New New Republic... and the First Not-First Order.

@@aralornwolf3140 Yeah. Honestly, I hate that Star Wars has become a 'culture battleground'. Disney is artificially "woke". They pay lip service, but give zero shits about any ideologies, they're literally just doing what will market best. Meanwhile, Star Wars was literally always political. George Lucas wasn't shy about comparing the Sith to the Bush administration in the middle 2000's. And early, pre-Sith Palpatine was supposed to be a politician 'like Nixon' who sold out and worked for corporations (like Disney). If you ever wonder why "Lucas referred to Disney as white slavers", it's partly misquoting, but also... partly not. Also, many early villains in the EU were, surprise surprise, capitalist coded like the CSA and Tagge family. Then there's Varlance's story in the early, early comics, which honestly in hindsight reads like a self-hating closeted man learning to accept himself and turning from villain to hero, with Stormtroopers saying things like "He's trying to pass!". I guess I'd say... Star Wars was always political. It was just more sincere about it before Disney.

With regards to that last bit, separate art from artist. A terrible person can make a good show. Good show is good. Bad person is bad. That is all.

@@keelhaulsthingsthatdontmat3877 The most rational star wars fan in the world

@@keelhaulsthingsthatdontmat3877 Yeah that's what ESG does. It creates artificial woke because it pays companies to be woke when they otherwise wouldn't be because they'd lose money for it. But ESG helps cover those losses so the companies don't have to worry about tanking profits when the fans of their products get mad. Star Wars was always political, like the Empire had very heavy fascist intonations especially when you consider its overreliance on unwieldy super weapons, terror campaigns and fearmongering draws a direct parallel to late war Nazi Germany. Which I think serves as a motivation for Disney to so heavily push heavy leftist ideology in Star Wars, is because they can just say "it was always there, you just didn't notice it." In addition to the money, obviously.

It would’ve been a fitting end that further enhanced Vader’s arc, it’s a shame Dave was/is holding on too tight.

@@workingjellyfishDo we know it WAS Dave though? I thought that she did die and then got resurrected via time travel because Disney didn’t want to lose a money making character.

@@rakshithanand8262 who knows man, my money's on it being Dave's choice, as he was the writer and creative director. But there could be outside influence for sure.

I won't be surprised if she still lives in the sequel era.

She's Dave's OC so it'd make sense he was the one who called the shot to ensure she survived

I was just thinking about this last night. The fanbase would have been outraged, but would be LESS divided if Disney simply just branded it's trilogy as a reboot with a new canon as opposed to calling it Episodes 7, 8, and 9, which it wasn't. Most fans were worried about this outcome when it was announced JJ Abrams was making Episode 7. JJ Abrams is a one schtick pony and his schtick is reboots.

What’s Archive of Our Own?

@@johnbellissimo7594a fanfiction website

Very long, but well written comment. Good job.

@@johnbellissimo7594 A popular amateur writing site mostly used for fanfiction.

As what looks like a last minute writing decision to capitalise on the meme power of Ian “I am the senate” McDiarmid it did irreparable damage to the Skywalker legacy. Honestly I agree, I wish Disney would just leave Star Wars alone at this point.

Brought to you by Dave Filoni

Exactly, thank you. From the start, Filoni's involvement has been the foundation of this problem. Now people say George was responsible for all of tcw but he held the same position and influence as he did for the 03 show and it was far better. On top of that, filoni even went out of his way to lie to and go against George multiple times. Tcw is his story far more than George's

⁠​⁠@@robertogurrola7465 He also used Lucas' authority to get permission to do whatever he pleased. Leeland Chee's position of Keeper of the Holocron (An awesome job title) involved reconciling the various inconsistencies that inevitably popped up, which he did so pretty well. But when _TCW_ came around, Filoni essentially went on a killing spree within the school that was the Expanded Universe, screwing up the established timeline in ways that even Chee couldn't fix, and whenever he objected to it, like when Eeth Koth was inexplicably brought back to life, Filoni would run to -the principal- George Lucas for his permission, and since Lucas was happy to approve almost anything, Chee was powerless to stop his colleague. I honestly feel really bad about Leeland Chee. He got to be the one who made sure everything fit together, doing so in very creative ways, and spoke highly about the Expanded Universe. But then he had to spend six years putting up with the show's retconning spree, only to have Lucasfilm's new leadership render all of his work meaningless by axing the EU, while Pablo Hidalgo, who had previously tried to make _TCW_ fit into what was left of the timeline, betray everything that the EU stood for by pretending that it was "never canon," and even regularly bullying its fans on Twitter without any consequences. Leeland Chee has since gone silent on the matter, and something in the back of my mind is telling me that he is not doing so voluntarily.

yet fans still praise it and beg for george lucas to comeback even when he was involved with it. if you think the old clone wars stories were "compelling" then ive got a bridge to sell ya.

@@Blanktester685 Let's not pretend that these are the same fans who took issue with the blatant retconning spree that the show went on.

sad

Yep, just watch the old ones and enjoy the Non-canon shit and let kids enjoy the new ones

Welcome aboard, skipper.

You should be more sympathetic towards those people who loved the Post-EU stuff because there a lot of those waiting for the Sword of the Jedi trilogy which got canceled when they killed the EU in 2014. It's not about the canon at this point, its about those who loved these stories and were upset that there's a lot of unanswered questions now.

@@AlexStarOfStarWars Oh yeah, in that sense, I do have sympathy, I'm just talking about the debate over canon.

The EU is just one of many factors and, as you’ve correctly pointed out, may not be relevant to every Star Wars fan. Although it is very important to some. I agree that a greater problem is the overall quality of the new films and shows, but one cannot discuss the topic without including a larger appreciation of what came before. Imagine if I had included Lucas Arts as-well? I’d probably still be editing the video.

agreed that said ashoka should die like really early on into the purge otherwise it's just dumb