Star Wars THE ACOLYTE - Fight Scene Autopsy

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Shadiversity

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19 күн бұрын

The time has come to analyse the sight scenes of episode 5 from Star Wars THE ACOLYTE in this episode of FIGHT SCENE AUTOPSY
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@AnnihilatedBrainsample
@AnnihilatedBrainsample 17 күн бұрын
Shad: where was Soul? Answer: he despawnd, because he was off screen.
@lotharrenz4621
@lotharrenz4621 17 күн бұрын
Schrödingers' Jedi? XD
@KoljaBeckmann_music
@KoljaBeckmann_music 16 күн бұрын
AfK 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@aleprechaun8972
@aleprechaun8972 16 күн бұрын
Maybe meditating.
@jamespruitt4756
@jamespruitt4756 16 күн бұрын
if it's a David Pryor movie...anything off screen doesn't exist anyway :P
@adamjenkins7653
@adamjenkins7653 15 күн бұрын
Object permanence is such a difficult concept for people these days...
@CMCustom112
@CMCustom112 17 күн бұрын
Smilo has cast an area effect of Confusion on the Jedi Party. It was SUPER EFFECTIVE. Unfortunately Smilo is confused as well.
@dragonl0ver945
@dragonl0ver945 16 күн бұрын
Everybody failed their wisdom saving throws, even the film crew!
@BobMcBobJr
@BobMcBobJr 13 күн бұрын
Well he wasn't immediately impaled by 2 out 3 lightsabers so confusing himself was definitely worth it. Hopefully the brain damage isn't permanent (tehe).
@JaimieSch
@JaimieSch 16 күн бұрын
The number of times Smilo Ren doges head shots, when the helmet would have just deactivated the lightsaber if it made contact, is insane. He is actively trying to not take full advantage of his armor, in order to extend the fights.
@balintkovacs4089
@balintkovacs4089 11 күн бұрын
He does indeed spare his helmet as much as possible, but for a reason that is only explained by him after the helmet breaks. Its primary purpose is to block the Jedi from sensing his thoughts and intentions through the Force. That subconscious precognition is what their whole combat technique is based around from duelling to deflecting blaster shots. Since a cortosis helmet would break from repeated lightsaber strikes, Qimir prioritized being able to surprise his opponents even if it meant a longer fight, rather just using it to overpower 2-3 Jedi then be left telepathically vulnerable when there were still more living than dead Jedi.
@jamescallanan2443
@jamescallanan2443 8 күн бұрын
@@JaimieSch it's almost as if there's a reason for it...
@jasonalen7459
@jasonalen7459 6 күн бұрын
@@balintkovacs4089 It seems more like the lightsabers are what break upon contact, not the cortosis...
@balintkovacs4089
@balintkovacs4089 6 күн бұрын
@@jasonalen7459 On the initial contact, yes, but each strike still strains the material. Repeated lightsaber strikes have been shown in the comics as something capable of eventually breaking a cortosis ore boulder. Compared to that, even this relatively thick helmet which doesn't even have the impurities of being raw ore anymore - which ironically would physically reinforce it - would have given in if Qimir used it for every attack against him. Of course the number of attacks would decrease as the jedi's number went down but even so there were three of them - Sol, Jecki and Yorm - whom he had to separate from the others in order to easily kill.
@kevlarandchrome
@kevlarandchrome 15 күн бұрын
"They don't know what to do with the third person." They didn't know what to do with the first two either Shad.
@worthlesshuman5041
@worthlesshuman5041 12 күн бұрын
They didn't know what to do with the lightsaber of one, the lightsaber of two, the lightsaber of manyyyy
@imallin971
@imallin971 12 күн бұрын
I almost spit out my drink
@IBW_3000
@IBW_3000 17 күн бұрын
One of my old schools temporarily offered sword fighting as an elective and my teacher would not stop dunking on Star Wars. I can’t even imagine the Eminem-worthy roast he’d have for this.
@Blurns
@Blurns 17 күн бұрын
Not 16 minutes in and I'm starting to think a boot with a lightsaber attachment might be a good idea.
@jimminystew
@jimminystew 16 күн бұрын
Or a butter knife. Easier to strap on and waayyy more deadly.
@davidbitton5687
@davidbitton5687 16 күн бұрын
🤣
@charlesco7413
@charlesco7413 16 күн бұрын
The movie KRULL had a spinning flying blade that cut through anything. Why wouldn't Jedi use drones?
@chrisalvarez4298
@chrisalvarez4298 16 күн бұрын
Every kick lands here but if they added boots with lightsabers I guarantee 100% of kicks with them would miss, instead they would throw punches that would land.
@Blurns
@Blurns 16 күн бұрын
@@chrisalvarez4298 Lol, yeah, that's the point. Give them blasters and it'd look like that rooftop shootout scene from Naked Gun.
@xinj6142
@xinj6142 16 күн бұрын
The 3 deadly sins of fight scenes - Waiting for my turn to attack, aiming for the weapon instead of the body and using non-lethals unnecessarily.
@tuazulyrojoeljean
@tuazulyrojoeljean 11 күн бұрын
Preach!
@jamescallanan2443
@jamescallanan2443 8 күн бұрын
@@xinj6142 1. That's how Jedi fight. They don't gang up. 2. That's dome for the safety of the actors 3. Again, Jedi way
@Olivia-W
@Olivia-W 8 күн бұрын
​@@jamescallanan2443 2. That's what good choreography and filming angles have to make up for. 3.
@FeepingCreature
@FeepingCreature Күн бұрын
@@jamescallanan2443 1. Episode 1...? Qui-Gon was a bad Jedi? 3. Luke did not want to fight his father. So he turned his saber off. He didn't try to fight Vader nonlethally. If you fight, fight to win. If you're not trying to win, stop fighting! Force users have many options to disengage.
@jamescallanan2443
@jamescallanan2443 Күн бұрын
@@FeepingCreature 1. Two on one isn't "ganging up," especially when one of the two is a padawan 3. Luke is purposely a different kind of Jedi. His training was nothing like the training Sol and the others would have gotten "If you fight, fight to win." Winning doesn't always mean killing. Obviously, arresting Qimir is more useful so they can get information about him "Force users have many options to disengage." How are they supposed to arrest Qimir without fighting him?
@poboxchristmas380
@poboxchristmas380 14 күн бұрын
"She spins, because it's not her turn yet" 😂
@Extinctor100
@Extinctor100 11 күн бұрын
Just like the Obi-Wan / Anakin / Dooku fight in ROTS?
@poboxchristmas380
@poboxchristmas380 11 күн бұрын
@@Extinctor100 nope
@ignaciomoreno9655
@ignaciomoreno9655 9 күн бұрын
I think that she went to the same sword school than the Elite Praetorian Guard of Supreme Leader Snoke of the Last Jedi. 🤣🤣🤣
@heikira438
@heikira438 17 күн бұрын
"THIS IS THE BEST LIGHTSABER FIGHT EVER!"...Filmed behind trees
@rhetorical1488
@rhetorical1488 17 күн бұрын
someone told Harvey's secretary green screen and she figured ....trees are green
@ian8477
@ian8477 10 күн бұрын
It's like they were either trying to pull off the trick of not showing the monster in a horror movie, or it's really, really badly choreographed. It must be the first thing.
@Object7533
@Object7533 10 күн бұрын
Well ... considering all the "waiting for my turn" and "flailing without hitting anything" we still saw despite the trees, maybe it was for the better ...
@Retribution8
@Retribution8 17 күн бұрын
I saw this, saw that it was an hour and twenty two minutes and realized how gloriously they must've failed. This is going to be beautiful
@Two-Scoops-
@Two-Scoops- 17 күн бұрын
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@mercuryshadow09
@mercuryshadow09 15 күн бұрын
For what amounted to about a 20 minute fight scene if that. It was truly the worst fight scene I've seen in any show. And I've watched a lot of bad 80's action movies.
@Mr_Snifflez
@Mr_Snifflez 11 күн бұрын
@@mercuryshadow09haven’t seen the original Star Wars movies either then eh?
@jojo_sanders5342
@jojo_sanders5342 10 күн бұрын
It's simple but definitely not bad. ​@@Mr_Snifflez
@Mr_Snifflez
@Mr_Snifflez 10 күн бұрын
@@jojo_sanders5342 the fight between obi wan and Vader in the original movie is definitely bad
@mummifiedgamer
@mummifiedgamer 17 күн бұрын
I would describe the fight scenes in the acolyte as people awkwardly trying to not hit each other until the plot demands it.
@nathansuss
@nathansuss 16 күн бұрын
Fr
@alexandersolodovnikov4840
@alexandersolodovnikov4840 15 күн бұрын
Based
@user-rz1mq1qo3v
@user-rz1mq1qo3v 14 күн бұрын
So like all the prequels and Star Wars no media in general ??
@rotorwing9987
@rotorwing9987 14 күн бұрын
I do wonder if they plan out on paper when all the clashes/potentially lethal blows happen and then "add weight" to those moments and "make it interesting" by filing the rest of the time with glow stick dance choreograph
@j.m.turner1756
@j.m.turner1756 13 күн бұрын
As compared to Kenobi, where characters awkwardly hit each other, but only get hurt when the plot demands it.
@Tallorian
@Tallorian 17 күн бұрын
But, but, they simply couldn't afford hiring a swordfighting coach & fight choreographer, the show cost meager USD 180 million.
@frigidofdoom7191
@frigidofdoom7191 9 күн бұрын
I know. It was such a small budget that they couldn't afford a Kelnacca fight scene. It just had to be cut for budgetary reasons.
@6-dpegasus425
@6-dpegasus425 7 күн бұрын
​@@frigidofdoom7191they gave us the kelnacca fight. It was... underwhelming...
@frigidofdoom7191
@frigidofdoom7191 5 күн бұрын
@@6-dpegasus425 I was referring to the fight between Kelnacca and Smilo Ren (I still don't know what his actual name is) But if it was to be of the same quality as the Kelnacca fight we just got then I really don't care. I just wanted to see a wookie jedi be a bada** but this show can't even do that right.
@TJCID22
@TJCID22 13 сағат бұрын
They did have a sword fighting couch and choreographer, but "they" was a DEI hire.
@6-dpegasus425
@6-dpegasus425 8 сағат бұрын
@TJCID22 I'm sorry what. He's the same dude who did Shang Chi, Kingsman, few other gems, and their fight choregraphy
@CmdrBrannick
@CmdrBrannick 17 күн бұрын
As Count Dooku would say "I've been looking forward to this."
@arklaw8306
@arklaw8306 17 күн бұрын
Twice the length, double the fun.
@L337N1NJ4L1NK
@L337N1NJ4L1NK 17 күн бұрын
57:53 the worst part is that Sol has the saber in the perfect position to swing downward on the right side of Smilo Ren which is unprotected by either his own saber or the cortosis armor. Literally could have bisected his torso there. Or, at the very least, removed his right arm.
@eds1942
@eds1942 17 күн бұрын
An annoying issue with this era of Jedi is that they seem to hold to a non-lethal honor system. Sort of reminiscent to the guard rules we had in the military. Where we couldn’t even do so much as load our weapons except under certain conditions (like others or yourself were facing an imminent risk or severe bodily injury or death) unless if we had orders otherwise. And even then, we were only to shoot to subdue the suspect, not to maim or kill. And if we were to missed, then we would have to search for all expended rounds pending a possible investigation. Which I assume will happen here. And poor Yord was like; “I don’t understand why he doesn’t play by the rules and follow proper form.” No wonder why he and the rest of red shirt Jedi went down so fast.
@fusionwing4208
@fusionwing4208 17 күн бұрын
@@eds1942 does this non lethal honor system actually exist in universe at any point in the high republic or even in the legends universe? curious cause I know Jedi are peaceful negotiators, but will kill if lives are in danger and there is no other choice (such as a Sith clearly trying to kill Jedi)
@eds1942
@eds1942 17 күн бұрын
@@fusionwing4208 The High Republic era as well as the 18,000 years between the raise of the Sith following 7,000 bby and the formation of the Jedi Order and the Republic, the Jedi practices and history is largely unexplored, aside for these eras being relatively peaceful in comparison to their wars with the Sith or the wars of the movies or even during the Yuuzhan Vong and Mandalorian wars. So the Jedi mostly practiced peace keeping and mediation and justice, again in contrast to the Jedi that we saw in the movies, games, novels and comics where they are waiting to pull out their lightsabers for anything, even bugs and trouble makers at the local bar. It’s probably the reason why in the Legends EU continuity of the Old Republic era, people often associated Sith and Jedi as two factions of the same religion, as too often Jedi had turned into Sith and started galaxy spanning wars. As well as why commoners so quickly lost faith in the Jedi during and after the Clone Wars seeing them too often as just military leaders who brought war to their sectors or home worlds. Where as Jedi are supposed to gaurdians against all out war and be the champions of the people. Which at times put them at odds with the Republic during its Pias Dea era in Legends.
@L337N1NJ4L1NK
@L337N1NJ4L1NK 16 күн бұрын
@@fusionwing4208 Most of the Jedi Lightsaber forms are for specifically disarming their opponents instead of killing them. And by "disarm" I literally mean to remove the primary weapon arm of the opponent. Also every disarm strike has a swift followup strike intended to kill if the Jedi thinks the opponent is too dangerous to be left alive. So, in short, no the Jedi don't have this "no kill" rule.
@fusionwing4208
@fusionwing4208 16 күн бұрын
@@L337N1NJ4L1NK yeah thats what I thought, Jedi are defensive but not pacifistic like that. I think the only forms that are highly aggressive is forms IV and VII? (highly aggressive as in, focused primarily on all out assault with little to no defense) and these two are fairly rare forms in the Jedi Order
@dorkangel1076
@dorkangel1076 17 күн бұрын
That is a standard martial art trope that a proteganist who is disarmed suddenly becomes a better fighter against their still armed opponent.
@WillStopka
@WillStopka 16 күн бұрын
One thing disney doesn't understand is that jedi don't attack with anger. So idk why they always make the jedi yell when attacking showing they are using anger...
@ferrishthefish
@ferrishthefish 12 күн бұрын
They are yelling calmly from a serene pool of inner peace. Haters wouldn't understand.
@Extinctor100
@Extinctor100 11 күн бұрын
Almost as if shouts in martial arts are used strategically to alarm and confuse the opponent, tricking them into making mistakes. Not that the Jedi are martial artists or anything right? 😉
@gqubed1
@gqubed1 10 күн бұрын
So true, but they do not understand the Force, light or dark.
@DalmarLesage
@DalmarLesage 7 күн бұрын
@@Extinctor100 When you do a martial shout, your face doesn't contort in anger and you don't do dumb mistakes. That's just not how it works. Also, as demonstrated by shad, no disney star wars Jedi are not martial artists. QED.
@CyAnKS93
@CyAnKS93 17 күн бұрын
To jump off from that point- Qui-Gon already said Obi-Wan was ready for the trials. Kenobi was a full knight in everything but name at that point. Bro was like 25. Jecki on the other hand i had to double check to age to make sure the romance plotline was even legal
@camber_courtney5250
@camber_courtney5250 17 күн бұрын
Wait... is the romance even legal?
@paweplaczek2191
@paweplaczek2191 17 күн бұрын
@@camber_courtney5250 age of consent laws extend in some countries even to fictional characters.
@DerQuoi
@DerQuoi 17 күн бұрын
@@paweplaczek2191 to their defense, it all happens a long time ago in a galaxy far far away, so our laws haven't been put into place yet. its the same with anakin and his warcrimes, technically it all happened before the geneva convention.. :)
@theevermind
@theevermind 17 күн бұрын
Also, Obi-Wan was a great Jedi.
@CyAnKS93
@CyAnKS93 17 күн бұрын
@@camber_courtney5250 The actress is 19. The character is (very pointedly) stated in interviews to be 18. So, yes. Just barely
@RavixAryss
@RavixAryss 17 күн бұрын
Smilo actually defeats 6 jedi knights in that opening fight, killing 5 (there's one shown dead before we see the fight), so the power level inconsistency is even worse. God do I wish a Star Wars producer/director was smart enough to get Nick Gillard for their fight scenes again.
@___Snake___
@___Snake___ 17 күн бұрын
Lol most of the prequels fights are as stupid as this one, actually they are far worse really
@daveirate138
@daveirate138 17 күн бұрын
@@___Snake___ Just no
@___Snake___
@___Snake___ 17 күн бұрын
@@daveirate138 just yes.....Palpaitine vs Mace and the 3 Jedi ranks as worst fight in SW history, Darth Maul fight is good, the 1st half of the Anakin vs Kenobi fight is good, the rest are just meh
@gheo9529
@gheo9529 17 күн бұрын
@@___Snake___ 'The ability to speak does not make you intelligent'
@___Snake___
@___Snake___ 17 күн бұрын
@@gheo9529 well I'm writing not speaking.....so your statement proves your must have learning difficulties
@madisonlink7141
@madisonlink7141 13 күн бұрын
33:18: It's the bropponent code. When your enemy poses like that, he's being a bro, so you have to pose to.
@yourturn5059
@yourturn5059 16 күн бұрын
I don’t watch the Acolyte, but I heard some people raving about this episode for its "best fight scenes ever!" I knew as soon as I saw that that this video was coming next! Thank you for your service, Shad!💪🙏
@Firemalleoandjelly
@Firemalleoandjelly 17 күн бұрын
47:51 Anakin did that jumping move three times and the third time he got cut in half.
@Jaster_Mereel
@Jaster_Mereel 17 күн бұрын
This is my favorite version of Shad- he gets so animated when he gets pedantic about swords and swordfighting.
@shotnuke
@shotnuke 15 күн бұрын
Also for power scaling -Obiwan when he was a padawa: 25 years old and stated ready for the trials. -maul had to separate qui-gon and obiwan in order to have a chance. Struggled with 2 opponents. - padawan Anakin 19 years old and literal force Jesus. faced count duku and got the smoke not once but twice. Lost an arm in the process. - Duku known for being a master duelist also made sure to take out Anakin before facing obiwan to keep the fight 1v1 as much as possible. -Ashoka as a padawan was 14 years old. Later on as she got older and developed as a fighter she faced general grievous and almost died barely running away. She also faced maul by the 7th season where she was 17 but went through years of training from the chosen one Anakin skywalker and grew up during a time of war which fast tracked her experience gain greatly. Now for the acolyte -jacki stated by the show to be mid teens so 14 years old. During a time of peace and has next to no experience. Goes toe to toe with what’s her face who killed 2 masters and a Sith Lord who is stronger than duku and maul based on his feats alone. -smilo Ren since this takes place 100 years before episode 1 and palpatine is 52 during episode 1 then this guy is around 48 years before palpatine is born. That being said he is one of 3 people seeing as he is a Sith and stated to be. 1) he’s Darth Plagues (Disney would change his race to human cause they’re dumb). 2) he’s darth plagues master. 3) he’s darth plagues apprentice before palpatine. By all rights this makes him stronger than maul and duku. So a girl her age with no experience going toe to toe with this guy is like having season 1 Ashoka fight off palpatine and doing very well. Which is dumb as fuck.
@blarfroer8066
@blarfroer8066 13 күн бұрын
Darth Plagueis's master is Darth Tenebrous. Darth Plagueis would be a teenager during this show at most.
@shotnuke
@shotnuke 11 күн бұрын
@@blarfroer8066 remember Disney said anything in legends isn’t cannon and most likely only used as a very very lose representation. That being said plagues is mentioned by name in episode 3. So they can change his race, gender, and age as they please as well as his master or apprentice if they choose. Either way still makes for a problem setting this 100 years because of plagues. I would assume both he or his master whoever they choose to pick would be smarter than letting 20 Jedi know they exist.
@Agk3los
@Agk3los 16 күн бұрын
9:30 Let's be really honest here. They saw Mandalorian's Beskar armor and decided they needed to one up it in their show. That's been their schtick the whole damned time is trying to one up their betters. ALSO ALSO back in the High Republic era the only time the metal had been used was to make a sword which promptly BROKE. No one figured out how to use it effectively until Clone Wars! BUT OF COURSE Weinstein's assistant (who definitely didn't know what he was up to) doesn't give two shits about established lore.
@Firemalleoandjelly
@Firemalleoandjelly 17 күн бұрын
53:51 This fight is more of a lethal glow stick rave in a forest.
@schiz0phren1c
@schiz0phren1c 15 күн бұрын
YES!- @Firemalleoandjelly what I came to find!
@Ally5141
@Ally5141 14 күн бұрын
A death stick rave you say...
@SaviorCross
@SaviorCross 8 күн бұрын
It's called 'Electric Ladyland' in Los Angeles...
@robertjensen1438
@robertjensen1438 18 күн бұрын
My friend just told me he’s got these little lightsaber chopsticks he uses when he eats ramen. I told him he should use the forks.
@vyntarus9618
@vyntarus9618 17 күн бұрын
Soba! You seek soba!
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
There is a time for the blade, and a time for the forks, a time for the sauce blaster, a time for the . . . blue-green milk? Maybe not that last one.
@anderporascu5026
@anderporascu5026 17 күн бұрын
Chopsticks are for rounder and more solid food. Forks handle noodles and whatever is slippery.
@HoundMonkey
@HoundMonkey 17 күн бұрын
I hate you...
@crispybacon9917
@crispybacon9917 17 күн бұрын
@@anderporascu5026 it's a joke bro, the forks/the force
@mgunter
@mgunter 17 күн бұрын
The problem with Disney is that they want there bad guy to be strong, but forget about the smart villain.
@rpgadventurer32
@rpgadventurer32 13 күн бұрын
He's not even consistently strong during this fight. The power levels presented in this fight make absolutely no sense whatsoever they completely break the established hierarchy of Star Wars in terms of known characters and powers from the original movies and the prequels.
@Extinctor100
@Extinctor100 11 күн бұрын
@@rpgadventurer32 Power levels? What is this, Dragonball Z? 😂 How exactly do they not make sense when none of the known characters are present to compare this to?
@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430
@silvermushroom-gamifyevery6430 15 күн бұрын
Considering that Mae is a force baby trained by a super Sith for 16 years, Her not being Anakin level is both a feat of restraint and one of incompetence from Disney.
@khartog01
@khartog01 17 күн бұрын
They have him outnumbered, and they don't use it to their advantage
@HBHaga
@HBHaga 17 күн бұрын
Conservation of Ninjitsu. The more opponents there are the weaker they become. 4 knights are a warm up. 1 padawan can keep him busy (until a Master shows up and she dies). 1 master is a serious threat.
@dreadrath
@dreadrath 17 күн бұрын
Sadly that's something that plagues movies and series across the board, enemies not using their numerical superiority. Its why at the very least the one guy has to try kiting his enemies into formations and locations where its harder to leverage those numbers.
@teutonicknight9041
@teutonicknight9041 17 күн бұрын
I mean the prequels also did this, cough Palpatine vs 4 masters cough.
@dreadrath
@dreadrath 17 күн бұрын
@@teutonicknight9041 Thinking about it further, its impossible to make any Star Wars fight "realistic" given all the weird force powers and stuff. Like there, Palps's power in the force give him insane force augmentation, the dude could move like a blur he was so fast (At least in the novels), and he used force scream to stun the three jedi he cut down. Then again in a movie only context there is no force speed or force augmentation, everyone just fights like normal people at normal speed.
@Richardblue1963
@Richardblue1963 17 күн бұрын
@@teutonicknight9041 Palpatine speed blitzed three masters, what you even going on about?
@kdolo1887
@kdolo1887 17 күн бұрын
"Oh, this is mop head" Yeah that doesn't narrow it down as much as you think
@atrocious7766
@atrocious7766 17 күн бұрын
Mophead (M)
@theevermind
@theevermind 17 күн бұрын
All the kids today have the alpaca haircut.
@rhetorical1488
@rhetorical1488 17 күн бұрын
@@theevermind well we have been telling everyone to eat their veggies and now they are all broccoli tops
@jonafen5504
@jonafen5504 17 күн бұрын
In the credits: Mop head 1: Mop head 2: Jedi Mop Head:
@Russhopson
@Russhopson 17 күн бұрын
Doesn’t Mop head state that “padawan” is now a knight in this episode.
@connorreddish8632
@connorreddish8632 15 күн бұрын
If you can unironically compare a supposedly serious scene to Naked Gun and Blazing Saddles, something went terribly wrong with whatever story they were attempting to tell.
@peterg9729
@peterg9729 17 күн бұрын
Our Shadster forgot to mention that smilo-ren couldn't see anything out of that thing he's got on his head. Since we've been told that it blocks force mind reading then it must also block him from sensing anything too. Corner. Themselves. Painted. Into.
@jamescallanan2443
@jamescallanan2443 8 күн бұрын
@peterg9729 no, that's not how it works.
@teutonicknight9041
@teutonicknight9041 17 күн бұрын
Honestly, I’m happy to see Shad go back to his more old school format that really got him successful. I liked the stuff with Nate and Tyranth, but I subbed for this type of stuff.
@stizzo135
@stizzo135 17 күн бұрын
Even when we would pretend sword fight as children, we didn't spend this much time swinging at air.
@seefoghall
@seefoghall 16 күн бұрын
49:25 he doesn't even need to dodge a head strike. In fact it would be an advantage to have her lightsaber hit his helmet, so that it disables the lightsaber....
@chrishakala528
@chrishakala528 8 күн бұрын
That actually depends on how many times his head has been hit. Cortosis can be broken or overloaded.
@seefoghall
@seefoghall 8 күн бұрын
@@chrishakala528 true, but that's head canon.
@chrishakala528
@chrishakala528 8 күн бұрын
@@seefoghall Wookiepedia and the EU. Until Disney publishes more about the material, that's all we have to go off.
@seefoghall
@seefoghall 8 күн бұрын
@@chrishakala528 yep, but neither of those are the Acolyte and Disney de-canonized the EU. Wookipedia are cucks.
@veeclash4157
@veeclash4157 16 күн бұрын
This fight scene is WORSE than the Sequels Throne Room fight because Smilo has Cortosis and shouldn't have struggled to beat the Jedi at all!
@qualthos1
@qualthos1 17 күн бұрын
Autopsy is a fitting term.
@VespoLiveGaming
@VespoLiveGaming 17 күн бұрын
Acolyte Choreographer: I'll try spinning, that's a good trick
@bring-out
@bring-out 17 күн бұрын
To be fair, that's Lucas' Star Wars too.
@zam50
@zam50 17 күн бұрын
One punch man reference?
@chileanyways196
@chileanyways196 17 күн бұрын
Have you seen Lucas’ Star Wars?
@Armwrestling_Dad
@Armwrestling_Dad 15 күн бұрын
Duel of the Fates is a big offender in this category
@schiz0phren1c
@schiz0phren1c 15 күн бұрын
@VespoLiveGamin or scissoring...careful with those scissors, Sisters!.
@madmalou1057
@madmalou1057 17 күн бұрын
What I remember from this fight scene now :"Stop atacking the air!" "they f*cking kick him again stop that !" and classic "Ofc they aim for their lightsaber" x)
@predawarriorstudios5787
@predawarriorstudios5787 17 күн бұрын
May I remind you that allegedly, the fight scenes in this show were supposed to be greater then the prequel lightsaber fights.
@christiannoriega428
@christiannoriega428 16 күн бұрын
In some ways the Acolyte was more dynamic but that's about it. The prequels were good because they were really cool but weren't too stupid with the moves. A lot of the times anyway. There's a few really bad moments. Prequels just have a way better mix of things done well to be beat by the likes of the Acolyte. I at least appreciate how dynamic the fight was though. Need more of that. Now they just got to plan and execute their dynamic move ideas better 😂
@PEC0TTO
@PEC0TTO 17 күн бұрын
49:30 Smile-o-Ren doesn't need to evade the saber going to his head, since you know, the helmet disable lightsabers !
@erikdayne5429
@erikdayne5429 17 күн бұрын
Lol that’s a good point it would actually be better to not dodge it because it would shut off his opponents lightsaber
@onyxwolf9387
@onyxwolf9387 17 күн бұрын
What Mae did to have her hands in front was shown. 1. She had her hands behind her back. 2. She then put her hands under her legs. 3. Then she put her legs through the space between her hands (that she visibly have). 4. And 🎉 she has her hands in front. But because of it being don quick and dark it's quite hard to see, but you still can
@PEC0TTO
@PEC0TTO 17 күн бұрын
@@onyxwolf9387 Must have missed it. Thanks.
@darthbane5357
@darthbane5357 17 күн бұрын
But Lightsabers DO damage cortosis, the number of hits it can take is limited
@PEC0TTO
@PEC0TTO 17 күн бұрын
@@darthbane5357 Maybe. Maybe not. It's Disney StarWars, repurposing ExtendedUniverse material in "canon" without re-introducing in said "canon", for all we know it could be indestructible (it's not, i'm just exagerrating). The point was that the fight choreography is very bad, the Sith "forgot" (more like the episode can't have the Sith winning right now) he wears an helmet disabling lightsabers, which would give him an advantage when the Padawan jump on him.
@djn6962
@djn6962 17 күн бұрын
I was waiting for this. Everyone says this fight is better than anything we have ever seen in Star Wars and I’ll I’m seeing is people flailing at the air, waiting to get stabbed…
@vancodling4223
@vancodling4223 17 күн бұрын
Just like Sheev vs Mace and the council. Just whoosh whoosh dead, no technique.
@Richardblue1963
@Richardblue1963 17 күн бұрын
Same. Its so annoying seeing people fall for this slop. Its annoying
@Richardblue1963
@Richardblue1963 17 күн бұрын
@@vancodling4223 Not really. Are you throwing a fit that Palpatine speed blitzed 3 Jedi Masters? Really now?
@djn6962
@djn6962 17 күн бұрын
@@vancodling4223I’m confused by Disney fans saying “it sucks because star wars has always sucked”. So why do you enjoy/defend Disney Star Wars?
@AndreVeaseyJr
@AndreVeaseyJr 17 күн бұрын
Best fight Disney Star Wars has done. Still not even knocking on the door of the prequels.
@Poisedanubis85
@Poisedanubis85 15 күн бұрын
Anyone remember the meme of someone swinging their hips to dodge a sword,,,this fight reminds me of that
@walterscientist
@walterscientist 15 күн бұрын
When fighting armed force users you don't try to handcuff them, you cut their hand(s) off. It used to be the expected outcome of a fight that involved lightsabers.
@tomraineofmagigor3499
@tomraineofmagigor3499 17 күн бұрын
around the 32 minute mark that dodge wasn't actually good. If he DIDN'T dodge the lightsaber would have hit the helmet turning it off
@Noctan_1
@Noctan_1 17 күн бұрын
I loved that you can actually pinpoint the moment in the analysis that Shad goes from seething anger to total defeatist disappointment. Shad just gives up trying to explain what they're doing because he finally realises it's not worth his time nor energy to do so.
@PandaNibiru
@PandaNibiru 15 күн бұрын
Me when I spent all my skill points in being dense
@GeryonM
@GeryonM 17 күн бұрын
35:11 you chide Seoul for not attacking Smilo's helmut while laughing at Smilo for leaving his head exposed. Smilo wants him to hit the helmet as it would deactivate Seoul's lightsaber causeing surprise and an opportunity to attack. But Seoul has read the script and knows what Smilo's helmut can do so he doesn't.
@DCY888
@DCY888 17 күн бұрын
What a bloody great sponser slot for this video. Not even mad. Glad you can monetize more
@Allmightyimortal
@Allmightyimortal 17 күн бұрын
Actually, why are they fighting him in small groups, rather than all attacking him at once?
@Kasperring
@Kasperring 17 күн бұрын
I believe they tried that in anotehr episode and he force blew them away...It was super easy, barely an inconvinience...
@annalivia1308
@annalivia1308 10 күн бұрын
#1 He is in their head (Yord states this). #2 He uses the trees not just as a cover, but to split them up. Generation Tech (on YT) shows this in his very good analysis if you are interested in an alternative view.
@ulfberht4431
@ulfberht4431 12 күн бұрын
The fight choreographer for the prequels was Nick Gillard. You should watch some of his stuff, it’s very impressive and the man knows how to emulate flashy sword fights really well. It’s a shame Disney refuses to hire the man back for these projects, but I guess pissing off the fanbase is better than pleasing them.
@Stygiophobic
@Stygiophobic 16 күн бұрын
After hearing Nick Gillard talk about the processes he used when filming lightsaber fights in the prequels, I almost feel embarrassed for Disney. That man puts in so much thought and work in to every movement and every possible scenario and will practice every single move individually by himself and work out what he can do to either get an attack in or how to defend against a next incoming attack and what would be the best possible movement for the next swing or block. What a legend he is. Shame Disney never hired him cause the guy is brilliant.
@j-kasumi
@j-kasumi 17 күн бұрын
Maybe aiming at each other's light sabers builds up some sort of invisible "force meter" that they can trigger later on to make their next attack more powerful lol
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
that sadly makes a lot of sense.
@Señor-Donjusticia
@Señor-Donjusticia 17 күн бұрын
Spinning also recharges the ability to use a force pull or push.
@scorpionlord9175
@scorpionlord9175 15 күн бұрын
and by landing a kick, you get bonus points to your force meter
@BlaveKaiser
@BlaveKaiser 17 күн бұрын
Obviously the Padawan's force powers and Smile-o-Rin's equipment was on cooldown. They have to wait a while after every use. Every old school MMO player knows you can't just spam skills XD
@ignathiel
@ignathiel 17 күн бұрын
@23:00 I'm just swinging by to note here that you can never predict which way a tree might fall, regardless of the angle you cut it at. Usually, I suspect, it would have something to do with weight distribution in the crown, and there might be some differences in density of the different parts of the branches and/or the tree stalk. This is why it's wise to tie a rope at a secure point in the top and have several people pull on it in the desired fall direction while you're cutting the tree.
@cartelia9931
@cartelia9931 Күн бұрын
Basically cortosis armor acts as magnet for lightsaber for some reason. In reality you won't be able to make your enemies strike yourself anywhere you want. There are many unprotected areas, it's so retarded to hope that enemies will strike you at small pieces of armor.
@TenToAceStudios
@TenToAceStudios 18 күн бұрын
when I was watching it I was enjoying the flashyness and the speed of the movements, but man the crazy openings and insane move choices were difficult to watch lol. The amount of times someone would be open and the enemy would just strike a pose or attack way over the enemy's head or something was staggering. fun to watch with your brain off, but put any scrutiny into it and you see how poor it really is
@xxxlonewolf49
@xxxlonewolf49 17 күн бұрын
You make huffing paint sound like a good idea
@TenToAceStudios
@TenToAceStudios 17 күн бұрын
@@xxxlonewolf49 why? For enjoying the fight but still seeing the flaws? Unrealistic choreography is always unrealistic, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fun to watch. The prequels and OT have unrealistic choreography too, but I still love watching it
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
@@TenToAceStudios I fall mostly into that category, as well. smiling until I get a moment to think about it. I would say, though, that I prefer it to be 'realistic' to the setting. You kind of expect posing and 'powering up attacks' in the Dragon Ball universe (especially teen Gohan, hahahah). Star Wars in 1-6 was a bit more grounded in that respect. Blade strikes were mostly parries and intercepts of attempted body strikes (though extended binds occurred, and, in my opinion, pointless) . Most strikes were visibly intended to hit the opponent or environment for a purpose. The lightsaber is supposed to be an effectively weightless weapon, so quick strikes to disable or eliminate make sense. Heavy , full strength swings that overbalance, overreach and such less so. Both blades aiming for empty space seems pointless, especially when its Separate points in space. The exception would be such as Obi-Wan's fully defensive portion of his fight with Anakin, as he still hopes to not injure or kill one he considers his brother. The different forms as described in other media are still intended to attack or defend. I did really like the effects for the Coritosis shorting out the blades.
@xxxlonewolf49
@xxxlonewolf49 17 күн бұрын
@@TenToAceStudios Because it is not just bad fighting, it's agenda pushing trash. If you can't see that, you are probably too far gone & a Disney simp.
@TenToAceStudios
@TenToAceStudios 17 күн бұрын
@@xxxlonewolf49 oh I hate the show, but you have to give credit where it is due, the action is fun to watch. You clearly got the wrong measure of me because I didn’t even bother watching past episode two. I only watched 5 because I was curious about choreography and VFX for lightsabers. Acting is mid-terrible, story is nonsensical. It breaks lore, but the action is at least fun to watch
@Señor-Donjusticia
@Señor-Donjusticia 17 күн бұрын
Disney: The EU isn't canon and any so-called "canon breaks" you find like "Ki-Adi-Mundi somehow being alive at this time" don't matter at all. ALSO Disney: Smilo Ren's armor being able to short out lightsabers is completely justified because of a reference in the EU, which is totally canon in this case until we decide to decanonize or change it later.
@Richardblue1963
@Richardblue1963 17 күн бұрын
Disney: The EU isn't canon, unless we want to steal stuff from it because we can't make something original and we need to sucker in more people to watch our slop. Ugh. I loathe it. The EU is the only real canon. It has the creator's approval
@Candlemancer
@Candlemancer 17 күн бұрын
This is so utterly braindead of a take that I don't even know how to begin to address it. Not that there's any point because you're clearly incapable of rational thought.
@Candlemancer
@Candlemancer 17 күн бұрын
​@@Richardblue1963 LMAO, Lucas didn't give a shit about the EU and retconned over it *multiple times.* It was licensed fanfiction as far as he was concerned, at best a resource for him to pull cool ideas from and do his own thing with. Exactly as Disney are now.
@suenzhong7891
@suenzhong7891 17 күн бұрын
Basically 'EU isn't canon unless we want to steal stuff and make it shittier and/or less logical'
@valeria262
@valeria262 17 күн бұрын
I like how easy it is to spot the morons, they'll bring up mundi and canon breaks😂
@dallinadams9422
@dallinadams9422 16 күн бұрын
Definitely appreciate this. With shows and lightsaber fights you usually miss most of it with how fast they go. It's just, ooh, lightsaber fights, action, things going on. This actually slows things down and lets us see for ourselves how bad it is. You are actually very unbiased too with it. If they do something really well then they do get remarks on it, like with Revenge of the Sith.
@H20No
@H20No 10 күн бұрын
Its been nearly 20 years since we’ve had a good live action lightsaber fight at this point…
@SeaOfPixels
@SeaOfPixels 17 күн бұрын
I guess people can be convinced that a fight scene is great if you just obscure everything with trees, shoot everything in the dark, move the camera so people are off screen when they're blatantly open, smack glow sticks against the other glow sticks instead of the other person, and have the fights play out like turn based RPGs.
@WhatIsThatThingDoing
@WhatIsThatThingDoing 17 күн бұрын
Fire Emblem in space, minus any larger strategy and it's just two sides smashing headlong into each other.
@christiannoriega428
@christiannoriega428 16 күн бұрын
Although to be fair most fights in film are like this. I only call this pretty good by comparison of other film standards. It looks flashy and dynamic. Still fun to watch at least. But yeah, if I judge it by how I actually want my movie fight scenes it's not great. Very Very few films meet those standards. I just try to enjoy these kinds of fights for what they are so I can enjoy more than a handful of film fights 😂
@SeaOfPixels
@SeaOfPixels 16 күн бұрын
@@christiannoriega428 You need better standards, there are plenty of great fights even in Star Wars that don't rely on trickery.
@christiannoriega428
@christiannoriega428 15 күн бұрын
@SeaOfPixels guess you didn't read all of my comment then
@nahlannentrela5376
@nahlannentrela5376 17 күн бұрын
in the original EU, Cortosis was very rare, brittle and fibrous. It was dangerous to mine as it usually held charge which discharged violently, lethally, on anyone that touched it. It always was energy resistant, so plasma cutters and typical mining tools were useless for extracting it, meaning they had to bring in specialized solid equipment to harvest the mineral, which usually wore their tools out rather quickly when trying to extract it. Basically, it was one of the most annoying things to gather, and very specialized in function. Finding enough of it to make a solid piece of metal would indeed have a much more stable and Durable object that could outperform other metals in defense, but gathering and refining it to that quantity and quality would cost a fortune-or perhaps several fortunes. If this guy is wearing a full helmet and gauntlet made out of solid freaking Cortosis, well...
@tabull8180
@tabull8180 17 күн бұрын
While that makes some amount of sense, while obviously all that explanation being absent from the series and movies, there would need to be reasons why some characters weren't using it. Like General Grievous would surely be using stuff like this if it was any way obtainable. Since he was working with Palpatine, logistics in itself should not have been a problem enough. Not that we should even spend any energy of trying to make any disney stuff any better. Its destined to fail anyway.
@darthbane5357
@darthbane5357 17 күн бұрын
Cortosis weave =/ Pure Cortosis
@scorpionlord9175
@scorpionlord9175 15 күн бұрын
i mean, it sttill doesnt change you would have an entire underground system to illegal mine this. and thats the issue. it creates issues. some things just simply shouldnt be added to canon cause it causes problems. like for example the fobs that can track anyone in time and pace across the galaxy, no matter where they are, then after the first season, they realized what an issue they made that they never mentioned it again and pretended the fobs didnt exist, but by that point, TO LATE, the canon breaking fobs are already a thing that change literally everything. lightsaber whip, same issue. why dont you make lightsabers that are giant claymore size? "HAHAHAHAHA, YOU IDIOTS, ITS BECAUSE THE BATTERIES CANT HANDLE THAT AND TECHNOLOGY IS STAGNANT AND HASNT GOT THAT FAR!!!!!!!" lightsaber whip, tosses that out the window. OH, SO WE COULD OF HAD GIANT CLAYMORE SIZED LIGHTSABERS THIS WHOLE TIME!!!!!!!!!!! activating highspeed into a ship. oh, SO THATS A THING AND WE COULD DONE THAT THE WHOLE TIME?!?!?! "oh shit....... um........its one in a million chance?" .........................its a 1 in a million chance to point your ship at another ship and activate the hyperdrive? and now the cortosis. disney are idiots. they keep adding stuff for the "WOOOOOOOW" effect and it keeps creating issues. sometimes you simply shouldnt do something, no matter how cool it is, cause it creates issues.
@tabull8180
@tabull8180 15 күн бұрын
@@scorpionlord9175 To be fair, he is talking about SW original EU, which at least tries to explain all the stuff that gets added. Mixing that with Disney stuff is undermining the amount of work that went into SW EU. Disney just isn't doing even the bare minimum which would be to steal these explanations, they only steal the "cool" stuff without caring about anything. I don't really know how well EU manages to keep it consistent and I don't really care. But its still very likely so much better than Disney stuff. Not that I disagee with you on boarder sense. Its extra sad that people making these decisions don't understand that laserswords and jedi and force and x-wings are already very cool. So one does not need to add extra cool stuff just to hit the cool factor.
@scorpionlord9175
@scorpionlord9175 14 күн бұрын
@@tabull8180 i havent read everything, but apparently no, there are TONS of dumb stuff in EU and a lot of it isnt consistent and counters what others things say cause they "want to create their own story", what other stuff said be damned. some of it is, others isnt. and yes, i am aware they were talking about EU.................just change its now official canon, has created issues. so what they say doesnt apply to canon star wars cause we have no idea how person got it, how rare it is in canon, ect. we have no idea. cause this is LITERALLY the first time its been seen in canon. so we have no idea if its even cortosis, thats just what everyone is calling it, or how its mined, if its even mined, if its rare or not, if its synthetic. we have no idea. no matter what though, it creates massives issues within star wats canon cause there would be a massive illegal underground selling ring to make this stuff. thats simply fact.
@animex75
@animex75 17 күн бұрын
I always hated the thing about cortosis being able to disrupt a lightsaber for the very reason you bring up. Resisting the blade is fine, makes it useful for armor and anything else you don't want sliced to bits, but if it can turn a lightsaber off it should be seeing WAY more use, no matter how rare it is. This setting takes place in an entire *galaxy*, there's bound to be enough of it to make anti-Jedi equipment out of. If Disney's gonna rip off the old EU material, the least they could do is stick with the better parts of it. As for the rest of the opening fight scene, it's never a good sign when the choreography is being hidden as much as possible with poor lighting, lots of obstacles between the characters and camera, fast movements in quick cuts, or a combination of those. If your choreography is good, you wouldn't be hiding it. As for kicks, I could see them being fine if the person's specifically not trying to kill their opponent (like, say, during training; they kick the person and tell them they'd be dead because they left themselves open if this was a real fight) but not in a scene like this, where they're fighting to the death.....
@John-fk2ky
@John-fk2ky 14 күн бұрын
I rather liked it when it was something added to other materials, like in KOTOR. What I would have done to “fix” it would be to have pure cortosis have some nasty side effects, like managing to protect a droid from getting cut through but shorting it out easily or having the energy from the saber be conducted through and fry the electronics. If used as armor, you get fried.
@Fyrefrye
@Fyrefrye 14 күн бұрын
The few instances of cortosis equipment should be some of the most highly sought after objects in the Galaxy and should be on the Jedi's watch list at all times. Anytime the Sith make a move, it should always include some plan to claim those tools because of how effective they would be. Wherever cortosis is found/mined should be one of the most heavily defended planets in the entire galaxy (at a minimum it should be defended just as carefully as the kaiber crystal mines) just to control the supply.
@invertedpolarity6890
@invertedpolarity6890 16 күн бұрын
I love it in movies and shows when a character is trying to kill the other person and kicks them while having a deadly weapon in their hands.
@trathanstargazer6421
@trathanstargazer6421 17 күн бұрын
Always love a good Fight Scene Autopsy! I'm sure it is much easier on Shad's health too!
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
I don't know. This show in general seems hard on the blood pressure. At least to those who had strong affection for the franchise.
@macarahneil2154
@macarahneil2154 17 күн бұрын
Surprised Jeckie didn't use her horns to scratch or puncture Mae.
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
@@macarahneil2154 yeah. It would be interesting to see how people with horns, spikes and such could use them in combat in that world. That said, I'd be a little worried about a horn snagging on clothing and wrenching my neck if I had them.
@macarahneil2154
@macarahneil2154 17 күн бұрын
@@Grandwigg 😂 They're already doing ridiculous moves, so I wouldn't've put it past the choreography.
@teddyharvester
@teddyharvester 5 күн бұрын
I don't know, man. Considering Shad is an enthusiast of good storytelling and good combat scenes, and this show butchers both simultaneously, I get the feeling his system might eventually overload from pointing out how dumb all of it is.
@erikdayne5429
@erikdayne5429 17 күн бұрын
They set the fight scene with Smilo Ren in the woods, at night, with a lot of quick cuts, to disguise how bad the choreography actually was. It looks cool, but you can’t really tell what’s going on, and that was clearly intentional on the part of the director.
@wolfsruhm
@wolfsruhm 17 күн бұрын
iit is clear by now that disney, despite an enourmous budget of 180 millions (for a show) is too stingent to hire a proper fight coreographicer, and basically do these scenes by whatever fancies the actors
@mbob4337
@mbob4337 17 күн бұрын
And they thought having trees block the fight was gonna make this better than the fate's fight?
@eds1942
@eds1942 17 күн бұрын
I mean, if you’re not going to train them and you are going to them off anyway, only show enough that anybody can tell they are bad and are going to die.
@pacmanpakkas
@pacmanpakkas 17 күн бұрын
probably because she has no idea either
@historicflame972
@historicflame972 17 күн бұрын
I hate to play devil's advocate, but I feel that was intentional because it adds to the confusion
@jedianderson2883
@jedianderson2883 10 күн бұрын
I think a way of fixing the metal that deactivates light sabers is to not make them light saber proof. So you can turn off their lightsaber but you have to sacrifice your arm
@alexandercato7400
@alexandercato7400 13 күн бұрын
Yes! I've been so excited to watch your in-depth fight scene analysis immediately after watching the scene. Shadiversity delivers again!
@VanceHelw
@VanceHelw 17 күн бұрын
The Jedi lost because they didn't learn about the power of maaaannyyy, like the alien insects.
@darthbane5357
@darthbane5357 17 күн бұрын
THE POWER OF ONE THE POWER OF TWO THE POWER OF MANNY
@stresslevel1009
@stresslevel1009 17 күн бұрын
I've been waiting for another Fight Scene Autopsy for a while 😁
@422katieleigh
@422katieleigh 12 күн бұрын
Quoting Mark Hamill quoting Harrison Ford; “Kid, it ain’t that kind of movie:”
@ori8226
@ori8226 15 күн бұрын
"We do not kill the unarmed, that would be evil, so instead of giving you a quick painless death I'm going to direct will beasts that will try to tear you apart and eat you alive." Yeah ok sound logic.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 17 күн бұрын
I think the issue with the use of Cortosis here is it’s not given the level of gravitas that it really needs. Usually a story that uses Cortosis will give some exposition of how it’s a rare material and how dangerous it is that the bad guy is using it. Jedi Knight 2: Jedi Outcast, for example, has the Imperial Remnant mention they were smuggling Cortosis, which the player character Kyle Katarn overhears. Then when he asks Luke Skywalker what it is, Luke explains that it’s a rare material that resists lightsabers, planting the seeds in your head that it’s something special and will probably come up later. Then when you finally encounter your first Shadow Trooper wearing Cortosis armor, Kyle will then realize what they’re using it for. It’s given the appropriate weight in the story to show that yes, it is a big game changing thing, and two, it’s rare so that’s why not everyone is using it. And it’s amazing a 2002 video game running on id Tech 3 could pull this off while a big budget TV show from Disney couldn’t. Btw, mentioning Jedi Knight is particularly appropriate since the hilt you have (at least it looks like it to my eyes) is Kyle Katarn’s lightsaber hilt from Jedi Outcast. I love that character. Honestly my favorite in all of Star Wars, EU or movie included.
@OmegaZyion
@OmegaZyion 17 күн бұрын
This is also the first time outside the EU or video games that Cortosis has ever been hinted at. The majority of viewers aren't going to know what the hell is going on. Disney once again requiring homework to understand their bad writing.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 17 күн бұрын
@@OmegaZyion Yup. And the thing is, Jedi Outcast knew that, so had the necessary expository dialogue and foreshadowing to let viewers understand how important Cortosis was. This just shows up randomly out of nowhere. Imagine if in ANH, the Death Star plans and the foreshadowing of its destructive power was completely omitted so halfway through the movie, a random space station just shows up out of nowhere and blows up Alderaan. People then would’ve been very confused too.
@erikdayne5429
@erikdayne5429 17 күн бұрын
@@OmegaZyionand this is such a SIMPLE fix. Have a previous scene where Smilo Ren is training Mae. She hits his helmet and her lightsaber shuts off. Mae says “omg what happened”, Smilo Ren says “aha that’s my cortosis helmet, it’s a special metal that shorts out and deactivates lightsabers”. Boom. Now the audience knows what it is and what it does, but the Jedi don’t so they’ll still be vulnerable to it in this fight scene.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla 17 күн бұрын
@@erikdayne5429 Exactly. It's called forershadowing. A video game from 2002 knew that so the fact that Disney didn't is astounding. Then again, that same video game from 2002 also knew how to have Luke Skywalker lose a student to the Dark Side without behaving wildly out of character as well, so that story really kicks the crap out of Disney Star Wars. God I love that game so much. So happy that DamienSabers has a Kyle Katarn hilt. Don't have the money for one now, but I may get one just to hang on my wall at some point.
@eds1942
@eds1942 17 күн бұрын
Or you could introduce it, then explain it later. But people have a tendency to complain either way as handholding or not enough handholding. Back in the late 90’s when it was introduced, it was a fairly new material. But now, I think most of the fans of the expanded material, both canon and legends figured it by the time it was done, purely from the fact that it momentarily shorted out lightsabers and absorbed stun bolts, so it almost goes without saying. How it worked in the games was usually different. Often that was a problem with the limitations of the game mechanics.
@wonderelk4prez706
@wonderelk4prez706 17 күн бұрын
The Kortosis existing in and of itself doesn't break the lore. I understand the "why doesn't everyone use it" point to a certain extent, but in the EU kortosis was even more rare and difficult to work with than Bescar. There were only 2 Kortosis mines ever mentioned in the entire known galaxy, and one of them wasn't discovered until the middle of the clone wars by the CIS, 110 years after this show takes place. All other criticisms of the scene surrounding the use of the Kortosis itself is still valid though. Shoulda deactivated everyone's lightsabers immediately and executed them while they're vulnerable.
@k_e_l_i_k
@k_e_l_i_k 14 күн бұрын
Shad just didn't know all lore, just like me. In Jedi Knight series cortosis just blocked lightsaber. Shad was wrong in this moment but anyway scenes with cortosis in this battle absurd.
@morlock2012
@morlock2012 14 күн бұрын
Looking forward to all the scenes that stop working if Kortosis dust/filings grenades exist.
@givmi_more_w9251
@givmi_more_w9251 13 күн бұрын
'EU Kortosis' sounds like a disease/syndrome originating in Europe ...
@rpgadventurer32
@rpgadventurer32 13 күн бұрын
It does break the lore because it never existed in the live action movies or tv shows. Only in the EU, also it's not being used or presented in the same way that Cortosis was used in the EU. They took an element from the EU and completely removed the context in which it can be used logically in Star Wars and instead made it into the biggest plot armor and plot hole in Star Wars' history by presenting it the way they did in the Acolyte.
@k_e_l_i_k
@k_e_l_i_k 13 күн бұрын
@@givmi_more_w9251 This is good joke. I like it.
@ThePhxRises
@ThePhxRises 11 күн бұрын
The funny thing about all of the too high swings that would've missed but he dodges anyways: He has a cortosis helmet. People swinging for his head is objectively an advantage for him. Why is he even dodging them?
@chrishakala528
@chrishakala528 8 күн бұрын
Bad writing. There is a lore excuse that could be used, but it should be ignored in this case because it is never explained or physically represented, which is again, bad writing. According to wookipedia, cortosis can be overloaded, and it is very brittle, so there are two separate ways that bracer and helmet can fail on him. 1. Overuse until the bracer or helmet becomes useless and gets cut through anyway. Maybe the energy would dissipate over time, but the writers would have to show that visually (sparks, a glow, something) in order to use that excuse. 2. Breaking because the metal can't take the stress of repeated impacts.
@SiNKiLLeR_
@SiNKiLLeR_ 14 күн бұрын
The Darkside has taken over Disney.
@Bigrago1
@Bigrago1 17 күн бұрын
"Best since Phantom Menace." Watched Duel of the Fates. NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!
@Paradox-es3bl
@Paradox-es3bl 17 күн бұрын
I mean, it DOES seem to be the best live-action not quite since ep1 since ep 3 came after... but like, in Disney live-action. Especially on D+ but it's probably better than eps 8 & 9 anyway.
@erikdayne5429
@erikdayne5429 17 күн бұрын
@@Paradox-es3blthat’s because they set it at night in a forest behind trees so you can’t really follow what’s going on in real time
@IscoMadrid-fd7fy
@IscoMadrid-fd7fy 17 күн бұрын
​@@erikdayne5429 No its also because besides the bad choreography, there isn't a lot of talking between the fights, they use tactics such as the reverse grip and twirling movement which was something we missed in the sequels, Qimir possibly used Trakata and the deaths were brutal. The trees were there to conceal the bad choreography but I enjoyed the 1v1 duels and hand-to-hand combat between Sol and Qimir. Doesn't take away from the bad choreography but its the best that Disney has delivered. This show will get extra criticism for its unrealistic approach but that can be applied to battles in almost every SW movie. From the bad choice to the unnecessary talking. Some of them have minor flaws but are uplifted and mistakes are overlooked because of the music that Lucas used.
@Richardblue1963
@Richardblue1963 17 күн бұрын
@@Paradox-es3bl Throw TFA in there. TFA was crap
@ethancorsmeier1110
@ethancorsmeier1110 17 күн бұрын
​@@IscoMadrid-fd7fy yall forgetting Moff Gideon vs Din Djarin? I know din didn't have a kightsaber but that's the best Disney has to offer.
@LuckyStar2516
@LuckyStar2516 17 күн бұрын
I just love the fact that years ago, people were complaining how the lightsabers fights in the prequels were too long or too bad. Now look what we have from Disney. 😆
@grimecrimetime
@grimecrimetime 15 күн бұрын
Nobody ever complained about the prequels. What is everyone talking about? There are 3 or 4 classic fights. They were complaining about the dialogue and storyboard
@guyverjay1289
@guyverjay1289 14 күн бұрын
​@@grimecrimetime- *some* people complained that some of the moves used were over the top and or pointless. Such as all the spinning they do whilst dueling
@LuckyStar2516
@LuckyStar2516 13 күн бұрын
@@grimecrimetime On my side of the coin, most people were annoyed with the long lightsaber fights such as the Anakin and Obi Wan’s 20 minute fight on the volcano planet. I personally didn’t mind some fight like the Duel of Fates for example, but others not so much. But yeah, everyone else just hated the dialogue, plot, and over CGI.
@grimecrimetime
@grimecrimetime 13 күн бұрын
@@LuckyStar2516 I didn't mean to be harsh. I was in my teens when the prequels came out. The popular consensus was that the duel of the fates(obi wan, qui gon, darth maul), anakin vs dooku, yoda vs palpatine; were are considered amazing. Obi wan vs Anakin is like the entire third act and the denoument of Anakins turn to the dark side. Although less exciting as an actual light saber duel; it meant alot to us fans. It was only in 2012 when red letter media was the first to do an epic critique of the prequels (explaining how actually terrible they were). So yes, with the Disney 'Star Wars' most older fans stopped caring after Last Jedi and definitely after Rise of Skywalker. This disney+ stuff doesn't exist to us, or we watch ironically
@doo1385
@doo1385 13 күн бұрын
People literally stood up in Attack of the clones Yoda fight and booed. Wild . Nostalgia glasses off. Yeah, why the hell would they be so flashy. It's over the top with useless moves that are done to just look cool. AND THAT IS TOTALLY OK. It's a movie!!!!Now this channel is a rage bait channel. Him saying the prequels had some of the best fights and shitting all over the Acolyte. He's cashing in on the rage baiting people are dogoiling on with the show. It gets them clicks. Personally this show has the best fights I've seen since the prequels.
@user-es4ml8hh9i
@user-es4ml8hh9i 15 күн бұрын
Why didn't he make a sword out of cortosis? or a protoblades not a canon anymore?
@RenTheHen
@RenTheHen 15 күн бұрын
I mean did you see how easily the helmet broke to physical damage. It seems to not be very durable and only really there to counter lightsabers. Not sure it would survive slashing at people
@user-es4ml8hh9i
@user-es4ml8hh9i 15 күн бұрын
@@RenTheHen I think with the right design, this problem can be avoided.
@MediumRareOpinions
@MediumRareOpinions 15 күн бұрын
​​@@RenTheHenSingle Edged Durasteel blade with a Cortosis coating on non cutting edge. Turn the blade around when fighting Jedi. Problem solved Second Solution. Carry two swords. One for Jedi, one for everyone else.
@solanumtinkr8280
@solanumtinkr8280 16 күн бұрын
I just realized, that in a bind with 2 lightbsabre just pushing against each other is the perfect time for a Cortosis gauntlet to deactave the oppenent's sword...
@tim_nj_devil176
@tim_nj_devil176 17 күн бұрын
LET THE 💩SHOW BEGIN!
@john-luke5909
@john-luke5909 17 күн бұрын
I’m not gonna lie…I saw a post saying how great this fight is, so I checked it out…and dropped my phone on the floor after 20 seconds 😅….Why did they think that kicking that guy was a better idea, than just running him through when he was completely open!
@nuclearmedicineman6270
@nuclearmedicineman6270 17 күн бұрын
It's Disney Wars; everyone knows lightsabers can't kill people anymore, but a kick from a girlboss will always work.
@chocolatebar6785
@chocolatebar6785 17 күн бұрын
@@nuclearmedicineman6270 instead it was from a man and 80% of the jedi died in 1 hit
@adammoore8478
@adammoore8478 17 күн бұрын
That's why you don't spam your Basic Atk lol
@john-luke5909
@john-luke5909 17 күн бұрын
@@chocolatebar6785 actually I was thinking of when Sol, and Jeki team up against Smylo…..(Shad is too funny 😂)
@macarahneil2154
@macarahneil2154 17 күн бұрын
Everybody was Kung Fu fighting! Those kicks weren't as fast as lightning! Discount Ezra Miller sighting! Not at all that surprising. The Jedi are stupidly dying! And yet, I laugh instead of crying. Cortosis vs lightsabers not igniting! Why aren't the bugs attacking the abundance of lighting? Nobody has expert timing. This is incompetent writing.
@rosethorn7255
@rosethorn7255 15 күн бұрын
I wish you'd do Duel of Fates, the Naboo battle. Darth Maul was "apprentice" sure but as Rule of Two he wasn't at the actual skill level he was at, truth is he was a full-fledge Sith Assassin, and was far from a fool, he had to be careful with both his oponents and follow his plan to drain Qui and then focus on Obi seperate and alone.
@jb.cloud4u2
@jb.cloud4u2 16 күн бұрын
Nick Gillard was the stunt choreographer and fight scene director for lucas in the prequels and yes he has said he designed most of the fights in the SW moves to be a series of fast paced counters, feigns, and masterful moves but with the superhuman reflexes of people with incredible spidey-senses. He was Mark hamill's stunt double in the originals i believe as well as did fight/stunt choreography for count of monte cristo, robin hood prince of thieves, 3 musketeers and WANTED. he's of course has done more but yeah... would love to see a Count of Monte Cristo fight autopsy from you i wonder how well most of the movements and choreography was around HEMA and sword work.
@m.h.w.weckseler
@m.h.w.weckseler 17 күн бұрын
11:00 if that metal was so effective against light sabers, it would be the same as nowadays bad guys wearing bullet proof vests.
@Grandwigg
@Grandwigg 17 күн бұрын
yep. in the books i read with it in it (Vision of the Future and I,Jedi), it was brittle to the point of almost crumbling. some armor incorporated it in the second i mentioned, but it was bulky, and weak to regular blasters and even force-thrown stones, iirc. I'm gonna have reread my Expanded Universe books again soon, I think. Either way it was super rare. Basically only 3 or 4 places had it. (Mostly inside some critical walls). It's smart of the writers to see it as a useful plot device from the old stories, but I don't know if they kept weaknesses necessary to keep it from being world breaking (or invented new ones for the same reason).
@robertellis6853
@robertellis6853 17 күн бұрын
Ah yes, spun cortisis ore. I believe it was supposed to be very rare, and usesless for just about everything, but something about it caused it to make a feedback loop in lightsabers, causing them to not cut through and short out. I imagine that while a powerful thing, goven the rarity of the material, kitting out even a special forces group to be difficult, and even with that armor, a non-force user vs a force user isn't a good matchup. I do believe that Vader had cortosis in his hard armor parts like his pauldrons.
@beskarbaron6503
@beskarbaron6503 17 күн бұрын
@@robertellis6853 if I remember correctly, even if you find it, mining it is dangerous because there is a strong tendency for explosive gas deposits to be in the direct vicinity.
@Zeknif1
@Zeknif1 17 күн бұрын
@@beskarbaron6503There are several issues with mining it. The raw ore still connected with a large deposit can near instantly kill upon direct contact with skin, even against energy resistant species like the hutts, the dust can quickly accumulate in toxic quantities in the lungs, and energy based mining equipment is useless for extracting the ore, thus requiring bulkier and unwieldy hydraulic systems which can risk uncontrolled dispersal of debris that threatens to compromise a miner’s protection against the hazards of the ore.
@darthbane5357
@darthbane5357 17 күн бұрын
I used to mine cortosis. The equipment didn't last very long and I lost all my hair
@jugglehop
@jugglehop 17 күн бұрын
The power of plot armor compels them.......
@ericbright1742
@ericbright1742 10 күн бұрын
Shad is oozing "Disappointed Dad" energy this entire fight.
@ClayHales
@ClayHales 16 күн бұрын
There needs to be an edit of the fight scene with a counter for both sides. When one side gets an opportunity to kill their opponent, the "Finish Him!" from Mortal Kombat sounds, and the counter advances for that side.
@Itstwofourteen
@Itstwofourteen 17 күн бұрын
This is where the fun begins.
@booshmcfadden7638
@booshmcfadden7638 17 күн бұрын
The seem to be aiming at the lightsaber, not trying to make a body hit.
@saturn580
@saturn580 15 күн бұрын
My favorite one-against-many fight scene of all time is the chateau fight from The Matrix: Reloaded. The choreography is absolutely impeccable. The Merovingian's henchmen all attack Neo at once, the environment is used to great effect, every movement is clearly shown and nobody ever disappears or teleports. It's a seamless dance of non-stop carnage.
@crelus
@crelus 10 күн бұрын
There was one additional thing I noticed during the standoff. When Darth Schlong had the turned off lightsaber against the girls head, if you look at the angle he's holding it, if he turned it on it would have also gone through his arm. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe that's a Sith tactic. The detachable hand throw.
@Wintrois
@Wintrois 17 күн бұрын
The helmet and bracer are not Cortosis weave, but made of Cortosis. If I am not mistaken, in a case of that, what we saw on-screen is correct. Though it should be noted that they are brittle and should be weak to blaster fire and other stuff (I think it is supposed to protect against stun-blasts, though I could easily be wrong there) and last only so-many lightsaber strikes before it is destroyed or is basically useless. As for why it isn’t more prevalent, it is very rare (far rarer than kyber crystals in a general market during the reign of the Galactic Empire). It is supposed to be difficult to turn into sheets and I wanna say it is supposed to be somewhat unstable. 43:06 that would be Nick Gillard. 55:42 could be due to force speed. 1:06:40 for some reason, this makes me think of that “as the founding fathers intended” copy pasta. 1:15:18 if he struck him down at that time, he would have begun his descent to the dark side.
@jetlorider
@jetlorider 17 күн бұрын
helmet n bracer...Cortosis rare metal that can "absorb" high energy.....it literally absorbed the lightsaber.
@Wintrois
@Wintrois 17 күн бұрын
@@jetlorider not sure why I called it a gauntlet. Probably due to me being a bit tired at the time.
@mikecanul
@mikecanul 17 күн бұрын
“Gets kicked AGAIN!” lol
@iamsamurai9831
@iamsamurai9831 15 күн бұрын
Saw a couple posts on X, saying "Of course if you look at it like this it's bad". If you slow down and break down a fight scene and find this much wrong, definitely not the best Lightsaber Duel of all time. It's a trash fight
@jordanrichard5666
@jordanrichard5666 13 күн бұрын
With the information fully dropped on how the helmet works. The shift from fighting the group to quickly defeating yord makes sense
@wilfridojtv658
@wilfridojtv658 17 күн бұрын
This is where the fun begins!!!😂😂😂
@RevanJJ
@RevanJJ 17 күн бұрын
The autopsy is on Star Wars itself. I enjoy these fact based videos so much. I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who noticed so much of this. I have all of the EU books, comics, everything- $10k collection before Disney started wrecking everything in 2014. Cortosis is lightsaber resistant (energy) in the Darth Bane trilogy he starts off as a miner of it. Very difficult and rare to mine even 900 years before this show. It only was shown to shut down sabers a few times in the Dark Horse comics. What it mainly allowed was, as you said, the ability to weave it into armor or forge into a sword(KOTOR 1&2) that allows them to block lightsabers. They were used by Revan’s (Malak’s for most of the game) infantry. Cortosis was notorious in this lore for being fragile though. Yes, I’m a nerd on this at least until TLJ came out and then it just got worse and worse.
@DefaultProphet
@DefaultProphet 16 күн бұрын
No idea how you could like KOTOR 2 and not like TLJ
@John-fk2ky
@John-fk2ky 14 күн бұрын
@@DefaultProphet you have to be an idiot to like TLJ, for starters. Stupid main plot, illogical side plot that goes nowhere, bad writing, horrible choreography… the list goes on and on. The only real overlap between KOTOR 2 and TLJ is that they try to blur the lines between the dark and the light with a few characters (the chief one advocating that in the game is insane and trying to destroy the Force, in case you forgot), but the game has actual nuance and doesn’t screw over existing characters.
@WesleyHill-md5cg
@WesleyHill-md5cg 12 күн бұрын
@@DefaultProphet I hope that you're being facetious. KOTOR 2 is well developed in terms of characters, theme, and worldbuilding with only the plot being shaky. TLJ fails across the board.
@DefaultProphet
@DefaultProphet 12 күн бұрын
@@WesleyHill-md5cg I’m not. Typically people who ride for KOTOR2 also enjoy TLJ. They’re both deconstructions of the Star Wars norm.
@WesleyHill-md5cg
@WesleyHill-md5cg 12 күн бұрын
@@DefaultProphet I know that both are intended as deconstructions. I thought that I was making it clear that KOTR 2 succeeds and TLJ fails on more than the thematic elements, alone. However, I can zero-in on that if you like. (SPOILERS) KOTOR 2 deconstructs the heroic actions of the Jedi. The galaxy isn't saved simply because Revan defeated Malak in the first game. Too many worlds are scarred by war and the Republic remains on the brink of collapse. In TLJ, the galaxy isn't doomed because of the failures of the Jedi, but because the writers of TFA insisted on making a hard reset to the premise of ANH. While that isn't the fault of the writers of TLJ, it is their fault for not sufficiently making up for the lack of groundwork. For instance, Luke doesn't fail to rebuild the Jedi Order because of hubris, ignorance, or naivete. He fails because he was tempted to murder his nephew in his sleep, which is a blatant assassination of his character from the previous films. Both stories introduce the idea of uncomfortable accountability on the part of the hero. However, this idea follows cause and effect in one and is contradictory in the other. In KOTOR 2, the Exile's presence on Peragus is enough to draw the Sith to it, leading to the planet's destruction. This one event all but dooms Telo's restoration efforts to failure and guarantee that similar worlds will remain barren. In TLJ, Poe is held demoted for disobeying the order to retreat leading to the destruction of the bomber squadron and the deaths of several fighter pilots. This is used as a reason for him to be mistrusted for the entirety of the second act. However, the film never acknowledges the fact that if he didn't insist on destroying the dreadnought, it would have followed the Resistance fleet though hyperspace and destroy them. There are plenty of reasons to appreciate KOTOR 2 as a deconstruction of Star Wars. TLJ doesn't get a pass for trying and failing to do the same. I have more but I just cooked dinner.
@forgerofsouls9126
@forgerofsouls9126 17 күн бұрын
I tried to keep track of the "they could have killed the other person here" parts...stopped after number 10. Many of them were basically "we need 2 inch longer lightsabers."
@MrMikellsof88
@MrMikellsof88 15 күн бұрын
One thing I haven't seen anyone mock yet is the even spacing on the kill strikes Qimir took Jecki out with. He stabs her three times in the pattern of an equalateral triangle. Is there a reason for this? If you're stabbing someone multiple times IN QUICK SUCCESSION, you're not going to end up with that unless you intend it and are very precisely controlling each of each stabbing motion.
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