She is bugged for some players, but not all. She doesn't make my grav jump range longer. She does however, make my ship consume less fuel which is one of the other benefits of the astrodynamics perk. Her leadership ability is interesting, and I see the same benefit that you do in that I can assign her for free, but it's a little odd because normally, the ability to assign extra crew comes from the ship command skill. Thanks for the comment, though. I should have been more clear in saying that the bug only affects some players.

It's true though that Sarah doesn't take up a space.

For me, she takes up a space unless I assign her last lol.

how to build the ship without internal stairs?? Tks

You would figure it would at least align with stacked nova habs but it does not.

The only ship I've seen that it looked seamless on was Juno. And we can't use those parts.

Many parts we can't use drives me insane still need a globe hab to build my Liberator from Blakes 7 and I know there is one in game on the Luxury cruisers ah next year and mod support on the Xbox and then I will go to town building things atm the game is so bugged really tired of it @@Frank-costanza

Thanks. The UI doesn't really give you any hints about the stored shots for auto weapons, so you really need to test things to be sure. Since this video was made, I've actually learned that the fire rate in the UI is slightly inaccurate for some weapons - notably the burst fire weapons. The fire rate differences between what is displayed and what actually happens in game are pretty small, but I was able to find some discrepancies when comparing video clips side by side. I did a video strictly about this issue... and I have 1 more on the way... but in any case, the vanguard obliterator is still in contention for best weapon in the game. The pbo-175s might actually be somewhere around #4 in terms of dps because they have a pause between bursts that the UI apparently doesn't account for. I actually favor the Exterminator 95MeV auto helion beams (neon sells them, btw, but your outpost won't) over the pbo-175s after doing a lot of testing, but in any case auto particle beams are the best pilot controlled weapons for most builds. Particle turrets also rock... I made another ship build for a larger ship which used 2 different kinds of turrets, one of which were the turrets I used in this build... But there is another one - the 250mev - which cares so little about power settings that it almost seems like a bug. That ship can solo the crimson fleet on max difficulty with no pilot input btw so yeah particle turrets are busted.

Thanks for watching and commenting. I definitely spent some time fine tuning this ship, and making KZfaq videos with commentary is a whole new kind of challenge for me. I think I'll keep at it as long as people keep watching.

It's funny because they all look like they should have a mass of like 10... There must be some high density materials in there or something!

Why would you realize it; the game gives you zero tutorials or explanations on nearly every major aspect of the game

Very good point without me watching videos from builders I wouldn't know half as much and sometimes it's just really simple little things like knowing where the entry points are on habs@@ljohn3239

Thanks! And you're right about fuel - you can get away with far less fuel if you don't mind an extra stop on occasion. You could build this same exact ship with 200 fuel instead of 600 And not even change the look. The 200cm ballast shielded cargo hold can go in the same place as the H30 atlas fuel tank and it weighs exactly the same. Or, you can use the non shielded version and save 4 mass and gain a little more cargo space.

Could be fun. If you aren't going to have any other weapons, make sure you get the right perks so you have a fast lock on time. Launchers with a large number of shots are handy for practicing your dumb firing skills.

I agree, front or side entrances are usually better than rear entrances. On this build, you can even swap it to whatever side is most convenient at your most used outpost. I'm glad you're enjoying the ship!

I'm glad the info was helpful. I dabbled with class c engines myself, but once I got access to more powerful reactors and figured out how much energy auto weapons stored, I was able to speed up most of my builds by piling on the class A engines. I still need to build a mega freighter. Guess that will be a good time to try out some more class c stuff.

FWIW, the SAL-6380 (I think that’s the number) only takes 2 power and has incredible mobility and thrust. While limited to 130 for speed, I built a ship with 17K cargo that still has 67 mobility! Not the best fighter, but completely usable when you need space available and may fly somewhere new. With proton beam weapons I’ve never lost a fight.

Sounds like an awesome variation on the build. Sacrificed some top speed for top tier smuggling and hauling capabilities.

The reactor, grav drive and engines don't come cheap... And then those weapons. Yeah this one is pricey. I hope you enjoy your new ship!

Pretty stoked that people are still watching at this point... And yeah I have beef with the number 10 lol.

Good call and thanks for commenting. I should have mentioned that the outpost is a great place to build this if you have one. You can't get the exact reactor either... But there is a different one that makes 40 power. One note is that if you're not in the vanguard and want to use the 95mev auto helion beam because you can't get the autoprojectors, you won't be able to find the auto helion beams at your outpost.

@@allensproject there's too many perks to doing the first part of the vanguard quest line so I've never actually experienced a gameplay without going to the vanguard

I haven't used the EM weapons enough to give them a proper review... I've been using the Obliterator 250MeV Auto Alpha Beam when I want to board ships... it's a powerful auto particle weapon but it fires a single shot at a time, rather than firing in a burst of 3, which makes it easier to use for disabling engines in targeting mode without accidentally destroying the entire ship... EM weapons certainly have their place if you really really don't want to risk blowing up the target.

It's true, you can just use different brands to keep the interior variation. It doesn't matter as much if they aren't immediately visible from each other... I used two of the taiyo ones on each lower side...but when I checked out the interior with one on each side it felt like a reasonable design with some near symmetry... When I had two of the same thing in a row where you have to walk through both, it felt a little repetitive. Also - it seems like you'll never know if your doors and ladders will change when switching habs until you try it out.

I really do hope Bethesda fixes this one... it's almost as bad as the bug that causes your ship to disappear. I ended up swapping the Deimos 2x1 armory for the Deimos 2x1 Living Quarters, which also has a storage crate. It's the only change I've made since making this video.

no wonder my guns keeps going missing

I have, but unfortunately it was after I published this video so I couldn't add a warning. If you aren't encumbered, You can open your scanner and select surface map. Then select your ship and fast travel to it. If you have to drop stuff, and some ends up being unreachable, you can swap to a small ship at the ship tech and then you'll probably have space to pick it back up.

Haha. This bridge can really make it difficult to create a sleek build... But I at least have a nice interior lol. And yeah, these weapons are pretty good. They are still among my favorites and I've been playing a lot.

I put it in the back so that the crew wouldn't need to walk through it to get to other areas. I also wanted to use the nova galactic captains quarters because it's the only one with a storage crate... Because it doesn't match the shape of the hull that well, I wanted it to be on the bottom instead of the top. If I put it directly behind the cockpit on the bottom, I would need to move the landing bay and docker unless I wanted passengers entering through my quarters.

@@allensproject Yep, that's what I thought you might be thinking after I left the comment.

Interesting. Perhaps you discovered a missile launcher with atypical charging attributes. I tested the Hunter mag 450 (x4) on 1/12 power and again on 12/12 power and the power setting made a big difference on recharge rate.

I've never used the mannequins... Hopefully they are less buggy than the weapon racks, because it does look pretty cool to put your whole suit on one of them. Might have to try them out with a less valuable suit and see how well they work. I haven't heard a bunch of complaints like I have with the weapon racks, but I'm still hesitant lol.

I'm glad you like the ship. I tried to make the video easy to follow, but I'm still a beginner at making videos... hopefully my future videos keep improving. I know that it can be hard to rewind just a few seconds if you miss something, especially on mobile.

This has only ever happened to me at Titan... Hopefully Bethesda fixes this bug. In the meantime, open your scanner, select surface map, select your ship and fast travel to it. Then you can just get out of the ship using the landing bay.

Haha. I have that same problem with this ship as well, sometimes. I'm playing on the hardest difficulty, so that helps a little. I have to make sure that I turn off any turrets and only fire one weapon at their engines... Usually that's 6x vanguard obliterator autoprojectors which still do quite a bit per shot. I have much better luck boarding class c ships without accidentally destroying them, but that's ok - they are worth more to sell anyway.

@@allensproject I don't have turrets for this reason. Need to downgrade my 3rd weapon set I think to a low damage ballistic for targeting engines

I think this reactor might be locked until level 60. The engines require you to be level 43 or something like that... And both require starship design rank 4. 65 mobility is workable, though.

Ha! Im only level 56. Thanks bud

I still need to learn more about EM weapons. Sometimes I accidentally destroy ships when trying to board them... It only happens like 15-25% of the time, but it's still an expensive mistake. It used to happen a lot more before I realized that I should only be firing my lowest damage per hit weapon once their engine health gets low...

There should be stairs on the bridge, which means that ladders shouldn't be necessary. Some habs will create ladders anyways - 1x1 companion ways come to mind as a hab that likes to create ladders even if not needed... I built this ship a few times, due to making the video, and it seems like the combination of habs that I used for this build won't create ladders. Using different habs may result in ladders, and I did confirm that I could create a ladder if I placed a companionway on the lower level right behind the bridge... If I accidentally said that there wouldn't be stairs, I meant to say that there wouldn't be ladders.

It's a really good question. I was wondering about it myself, and I'm still not 100% certain... For ship weapons, it seems like a fire rate of 1 means 1 per second. I am judging by the missiles because they are easiest to count. For weapons that don't store a charge (ex: non auto ballistic cannons), you won't get that fire rate unless you are at max power. All missiles that I am aware of have at least 2 shots and most seem to fire about 1 per second. Some ship weapons fire in bursts - for my favorite auto particle cannons it's a 3 shot burst. I think the fire rate includes each individual shot in the burst as a separate shot, even though you can't fire a single shot except when you are nearing minimum charge. I kind of wish you could because it would be easier to steal ships without accidentally destroying them lol. For handheld weapons, the rate is clearly not rounds per second... My automatic rifles definitely aren't firing 120 rounds per second. I think it might be rounds per 10 seconds for those, but I'm not sure. I don't think I have any weapons where the magazine would last for 10 seconds, but I'm assuming it means without a reload.

That's a total bummer. Since the Razorleaf has an armory, I'm sure lots of people lost that gear.

Well, you can't build a ship from scratch anyway... So what I would do is just grab the parts that I show in green at the beginning and attach them to whatever ship you are scrapping in order to build this. Then just fly to Neon and finish the build...

i have the same issue! what is the solution?

Haven’t tried making the ship myself, but usually if you hover over the attachment point to the bridge, and select to attach to it, that is usually where the game decides to put the entrance. If it then puts a ladder elsewhere just follow the same idea with the previous habs in the line

In my experience, ladders prefer to spawn in companion ways that are connected to dockers.

This is very interesting to me... As I re-built this ship several times in order to make this video, and I never once got a ladder while using the 2x1 habs that I described in the video. I was only able to place ladders by using the 1x1 companionway, so I kind of want to learn your trick, haha. Did you use the same exact brand habs as me, with the same interiors? Were you using the attach option, where the game gives you a list of items that fit in a specific spot? I've never used that, I just place pieces and drag them in to place. I want to make a video about all the tips and tricks for controlling interior layouts anyway, so I am going to mess with this a little bit and see if I can get a ladder to appear with the 2x1 habs. I'll let you know if I figure anything out.

I didn't find a way to add a ladder with these exact habs so I can't tell if you did something different or not... I did figure out a way to remove a ladder, though... Sort of a glitchy trick... You can move the upper hab out of the way, and then add a porthole to the top of the lower hab, where the ladder was. Then move the upper hab back in to place. It will be red, but you can cycle it to the next hab interior variant and then back to the one you had. It will still be red, but if you press the cancel button while it's in red, it will stay there anyway. Note that this doesn't add a ladder elsewhere in my experience, so you can actually make an area inaccessible with this trick... You won't have to worry about that for this build, though, because of the two story bridge.

The obliterator 250mevs have a much slower recharge rate and they don't have an internal battery that stores additional shots. (Unless you use the auto version... Or the turret version) I'm not saying they don't have advantages, because single shot damage is a very good thing, but auto particle weapons offer several shots with near instant reload, even if you only allocate 1 power to the entire group. This ship has power hungry engines, so my reload might be slower on this ship than it is on your build. Even at full power, no other pilot controlled particle weapons do as much damage per second as auto particle beams. The PBO-175 has the best dps according to the UI if you consider fire rate and damage. The UI only tells you damage done in a single shot, it doesn't calculate DPS. I think it is slightly inaccurate regarding fire rate, but it's still pretty close. That being said, I like the Obliterator 250mev as far as non auto weapons go. I am considering making a build that uses one heavy hitting weapon in addition to two dps weapons and I'll probably use something like that if I do.

Haha yeah those braces aren't super beefy... I hope it's a strong material lol... But you should see it with the Deimos Bracer A instead of the Stroud Engine Bracer A... Saves 1 mass per side but those really look like they would break under their own weight!

@@allensproject I think that the solution to our problem is to use two engine bracers or build wings in the same style used in the Star Eagle: one engine bracer and one radiator for each wing. Other idea interesting would be to replace those lame little wings for something similar to what we see in this build: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7dkg8yiybWsh3k.html

Without commerce skills it says the value of this ship is 595,121 credits. The value is listed as 476,100 if you have max commerce skills. Of course, you won't actually spend that much because you will need to build it from an existing ship, so you can subtract the selling price of that ship from the amount you need... It might even be a bit cheaper if the ships share some parts.

Thank you

Nope. No console commands or mods. I've built this a few times and never got ladders... One trick that I've used on other builds to prevent ladders is to attach a porthole to the hab that has the unwanted ladder. For this build, I guess you could try a top porthole above the ladder... this doesn't always prevent ladders, but I have had good luck with it. I can't say if it will work for this build, because the only way I was able to create a ladder on this build is with different habs... Some people say that the order of the build might affect ladders, but idk if that is true or not. Edit: I've also heard that selecting a snap point and then browsing all of the pieces that can fit there can encourage passageways in those areas, although I have not confirmed this. I placed all of my habs freely and then dragged them into place.

Unfortunately, I don't think the game allows that... I really wish I did, because I often end up deleting every part of a ship before starting a new build.

The guy who made the video needs to explain stuff like that. It all looks easy when he just pulls apart a ship hes already made.

​@@allensprojectthis is a bloody nightmare. How are we supposed to do a build in one go, when you have to go from one planet to another, trying to get parts from 2 different suppliers? 😂 you cant just leave the build half way through.

I think i have it. If you use the outpost landing pad with shipbuilder, it seems to have access to all parts from all shipyards. I'll try it tommorow 😁.

@@paulhudson5587 the outpost ship builder definitely doesn't have the bridge... Probably doesn't have the engines, either.

I used an ecliptic Claymore II, which had 3 of the 4 turrets and the bridge. It also had a few cheaper parts like weapon mounts and maybe a nova galactic hab or two. Weapons are always a costly part of a build, so if you find anything that has a few matching weapons you are off to a good start. There isn't a ship that I'm aware of that is particularly close to this one, though...

​@@allensprojectAgréé it's perhaps style to performance of great build. The 3x1 cowelling at mass 10 is perhaps the one area I wish could be reduced. Also I actually like the idea of an engineering bay and possibly given the excess of computer bays and I like the armories that have the brig. Seems not Sam and Sera like using it to rest. But I wonder . . . If I lock Sara in when I'm doing a nasty deed, who let's her out??? She may have a skeleton key.!

@@cmpoliver3499 Its a shame that the heavy 3x1 cowling doesn't offer some extra hull strength or something, to offset that mass. There aren't many parts that look good when placed behind the C4 bridge, though. Unfortunately, most of them add a fair bit of mass. Also, I have no idea if the brigs actually work - it seems like NPCs can just teleport to different places when you aren't looking... I wonder if that's true for escaping the brig as well...

I just had a look at an old save before I had commerce skills and it says the value of this ship is 595,121 credits. The value is listed as 476,100 if you have max commerce skills. Of course, you won't actually spend that much because you will need to build it from an existing ship, and any parts that you can't reuse will need to be sold.

@@allensproject Thanks. I need to save up a bit before attempting :)

Without commerce skills the value of this ship is 595,121 credits. The value is 476,100 with max commerce skills. Subtract the value of the ship you are using as a starting point, and you have an estimate, but each part the ships have in common will reduce your costs even further.

If you are able to go 180 with a class B engine without boost, it is probably because of perks. Sam Coe has engine skills, so you may not even have the perks yourself. Class A engines are even faster, but they generally have lower maneuvering thrust, which is why I had to cram 6 of them on to this ship. And you're totally right that you can glitch weapons in to places where they are 100% hidden. I will do some glitch builds in the future, but not everyone likes glitching so I also want to builds that aren't based on glitches.

Yes, this is a late game build. All level locked parts will be unlocked by level 60. This ship uses a reactor that's locked until level 60. Obviously, there is also the starship engineering perk that comes into play, but at least the game tells you that.

@@allensproject thank you. 9 more to go. Looking forward to building your design.

Targeting mode requires a lock, and by using auto particle weapons, you can often kill a ship before you can even get a lock, especially on normal difficulty or lower. Boarding a ship and killing the crew takes far longer than just blowing the whole thing up... But if you enjoy doing it that way, then you should keep doing what you like.

It's not ideal for that, but it works OK. You need to turn off the turrets by the time your target ship loses its shield, and when you are targeting their engines you should minimize use of the PBO-175s except maybe for the first shot... use the vanguard obliterator autoprojectors to take out the engines because they do less damage per shot, and be careful not to fire any more shots when needed. I'm playing on very hard, so it might actually make boarding ships with this beast easier, because more enemy health should mean that they are slightly less likely to get destroyed on accident when you are taking out their engines.

Haha. I only started making videos because all of the other ships I saw online had rather poor performance. I'm sure there are some other good ones out there, though.

I got them in neon from the ship technician. I think you will need to be level 43 to get them.

What can I say, I just really hate the number 10. I'd accuse it of being an arbitrary choice for a base, but I get it... some people can't count without using their fingers.

Excluding structural components used as weapon mounts, you are correct from a strictly technical perspective, but I chose to add just enough structural parts to make the ship stylish. It didn't add enough weight to reduce mobility below 100 so it didn't hurt much. You could certainly add a bit more cargo or hull by making it extremely blocky. Trying to make this bridge look ok without a few structural parts is pretty difficult, as there aren't any habs that align particularly well behind it. You can also stack weapons one in front of another so that they appear to shoot each other to minimize extra components, but I find that to be incredibly cheesy... Far more cheesy than glitch flips, etc. You could also replace the rear 1x1 structural part (Stroud mid bracer) that holds the upper fuel tanks with a 1x1 hab and it would look good, but crew members seem to be able to teleport into habs so I was worried about not being able to find my crew if I wanted to.

@@allensproject yes, I ran into an issue where a crew member I needed to talk to was on a disconnected hab part. Agreed that weapon mounts are also useful, but there are several light weight ones compared to 5+ My biggest complaint is that we cannot assign the connection points between habs, it'll preserve a pair of walls that are just cosmetic storage at times instead of keeping a direct hallway over several side to side habs

That'd be amusing... Might run into the height limit though.

I don't know what part you're talking about... Maybe if you give me the entire name I'd know. You can get most of the parts for this build in neon from the ship tech... Neon is in the Volii system. I got a few from new homestead on Saturn's moon Titan and a few from the ship tech on Mars... But you can use your own outpost shipbuilder for anything you can't get in neon, except for the bridge.

You can go to the den, in the wolf system if you want to sell contraband without being scanned. I don't like the idea of leaving anything important up to RNG, so I never use shielded holds.

@@allensproject True but I remember one time I did a couple missions back to back where I found multiple contraband and the Den didn't have enough credits to cover the costs. I was forced to go to multiple planets and I used shielded cargo and got through no problem. But yeah I know what you mean.

@@alb.4089 yeah it's a bummer when merchants run out of credits - I'm currently encumbered because of that... Most contraband is rather pricey too... You can always stash them at an outpost until their credits reset... There is even a contraband crate that you can build by cycling through the storage crate variants. I actually just hoard all of my contraband for some reason... I think maybe I felt bad for the sentient ai adapters lol. So now I just put it all in a contraband crate, except for harvested organs which I always jettison into space - sort of like a burial at sea, I guess.

@@allensproject Yeah I forgot what mission it was but I found multiple contraband and I ended up storing it inside of a storage container on a planet and when the Den got more credits I went back and got the contraband. I didn't know about the Contraband Crate I'll take a look that might solve my problem. I tend to get rid of the contraband asap because I tend to forget about it and then planets flag me lol. That's pretty cool what you do with the harvested organs lol. True Starfield gamer.

Honestly if you your ship in space uou fast travel to Venus and land without stopping in orbit first this avoids the scan, then wait 6 hours and run back to to the den (it’ll have been 600 UC hours) and his credits will reset

The ship is class C. Nothing about this ship is modded. S-tier is a term that is used to describe the best grade of something. For example, in Starfield, the PBO-175 Auto Helion Beam is an S-Tier ship weapon. However, it doesn't mean the exact best singular item, as multiple items can be S tier if they are similar in quality. The Vanguard Obliterator Autoprojector is also probably S-Tier, despite being a little bit behind the PBO-175 Auto Helion Beam in terms of DPS. The next lower tier is A, followed by B, C, D, E and then F. If you search "tier list" on youtube, you will see tons of videos ranking all sorts of things.

This is not correct. I tested various engines on this ship without changing the crew or changing my perks. I have full engine perks, and I didn't have Sam as a crewmember. These are the numbers: SA-4330 x6 - speed = 179 SAE-5330 x3 - speed = 167 SAE-5660 x4 - speed = 167 (this is the fully upgraded version of the 5330 you mention) I'm guessing what you did is replaced engines that consumed 9 power with engines that consumed 12 power and didn't remember to allocate 3 additional points of power to the engines. The game is a bit strange in how power settings affect speed - if you only had one SA-4330 instead of 6, it would STILL be faster than any number of SAE-5330s. However, if you install 6 SA-4330's and run them at 2 power, your speed will only be 1/6th. This is odd, because you would think that you could power only one engine and then it would have the same top speed as a build that only included one engine total, but this is not the case. However, despite it's low speed, a ship with 6 SA-4330 engines that is only running at 2 power will have the same maneuverability as it would at a higher power setting - I tested this by coming to a stop and doing a complete flip in my ship - started counting when a planet came into view and stopped when it came into view again. So apparently that's why it's slow, because the power is going to the turning not the forward speed. It's also possible that Sam's perk stopped working in the middle of your test making it an unfair comparison. I haven't heard any specific issues with his perks, but I an certainly having issues with Sara Morgans perks - she doesn't increase my jump range, but she does reduce fuel cost. Very odd, since both are supposedly benefits of the same perk.

@allensproject yeah but what im saying is that to get same speed u need more engines which is more mass and way more money.. and you grt max speed ONLY if you add all the points on the engine power, meaning that to get the same speed with 6 engines you use twice as much of points then with 3 engines. If we gad no problems with the amount of points we can use for it would be no difference, but now it is very important. Like im using them 3 engines with 9 points for max speed. If i add 4th to get the same speed I need to use 12 points now and it only gives just some mobility, but for what price..in my opinion its not worth it.

@allensproject i think them sal 6830 are the best as 3 of those would use only 6 points. Sadly my missions broken somehow and i have no chance to complete the required mission to get it..

Well, you can certainly save some power by using less engines - as far as I can tell, you always only need one to reach max speed if you don't care about maneuverability... But the weapons I used store so much energy that I was literally running them at 1 power for dozens of encounters and only rarely did they even deplete their initial charge. In the beginning of this video, I was running them at 6-7 power and I was able to defeat the entire crimson fleet before they depleted their charge. Re-watching the video, it seems like the lowest that a charge ever gets to is 47/100... so I probably could have used a little less power and not noticed any difference, even against the crimson fleet. I don't see much benefit to sending full power to auto particle weapons because they hardly ever send more than 4 enemies at you at a time... but I do see a benefit in high maneuverability because I can use that at any time. If you are happy with 82 mobility, that's reasonable. 82 is pretty good. My next build video is going to be for a ship that only has 77 mobility if you max out the cargo holds, and that one still handles OK. I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't tempted to remove the cargo holds and have it at 100 mobility, though.@@twowaygreenman

If you're assuming I like the imperial system, that is a false dichotomy. The imperial system can't even decide what base it wants to use. We probably only use 10 as a base because we have 10 fingers. It doesn't have any advantageous mathematical properties for everyday use. If we aren't concerned with the difficulty in adapting to new systems, we should be using 16 or 12 as a base. 16 is best because it is trivial to translate into binary, which is the most fundamental base... But 12 is at least easy to divide, so I appreciate that it is different than 16 and has some advantages. Difficulty in adapting to new systems is why the USA is still using feet, and it's also why we use base 10. Metric prefixes like kilo etc. are tied to the number 10, and that's why we had to make up terms like kibibytes, because 1024 is in reality a much more round number than 1000, but this truth has been obscured from us due to our everyday use of base 10.

The power cost on weapons is both a setting for how much power you need to put in for max recharge yes...but also a limiter on how many weapons you can have per assignment. It's less about trying to get 10 pips powered in a single weapon than it is having 4 guns on one trigger. More upfront damage, slower recharge. It tends to pay off.

​@hadoken95 it doesmt.make sense. Shoot a few times.and have to wait to recharge meanwhile I'll can shoot all day with no recharge with full speed and shields. Never heard of optimization I guess.

Having 3 sets of 12 bars weapons with only one of them having 12 bars and others having 1 or only a few bars is for burst damage, so having like 6 vanguard obli and 6 vanguard machine guns with only 1 points in each lets you delete any enemy that survives your other 12 bars weapons fully powered. For a somewhat short time you have the power of 36 power using only 14. And you can have 15 more bars to allocate elsewhere at lvl 20 where you get the first class C reactor with 29 power.

hadoken95 gets it. In order to maximize the upfront damage, you want a weapon that stores more than one shot - this is why I recommend auto particle beams instead of regular particle beams. I ran a test with 2x vanguard obliterator autoprojectors and 2x PBO-175 auto helion beams. I ran them at 1 power. I was able to fire 10 triple burst shots from each of the vanguard obliterator autoprojectors and 9 triple shots from the PBO-175s. I ran the same test with 6x vanguard obliterator autoprojectors and 4x PBO-175 auto helion beams. I still ran each of them at 1 power - out of 12. I was able to fire 10 triple burst shots from each of the vanguard obliterator autoprojectors and 9 triple shots from the PBO-175s. So basically I was able to do 3x as much damage with the vanguard obliterator autoprojectors and 2x as much damage with the PBO-175 auto helion beams before the batteries died and the charge became relevant. This is because I had 3x and 2x the weapon count, respectively, and the weapons are what includes the batteries - not the weapon slots or groups. More weapons = more batteries, such that the initial number of trigger pulls before recharge takes place is unchanged (but more weapons are firing each time). Having more weapons at the same power setting does not ever cause your DPS to go down. If you have 1 weapon on 1 power vs 6 weapons on one power, once the charge has been used up, it is still charging the same number of TOTAL shots per second. Some of you seem to have the common misconception that using one weapon is better than two if you are low on power, because with one weapon it will charge enough to allow two trigger pulls in the same amount of time that it would take to allow one trigger pull with two weapons (assuming the same total power setting to the weapon group). What you are neglecting to realize is that one trigger pull from two weapons did the same amount of damage as two trigger pulls from one weapon. More importantly, you are neglecting the importance of the stored charge, especially on auto particle beams, which means you will get far more TOTAL damage output before it even needs to charge. Using more weapons is basically always better, even if you are only going to send 1 power to the entire group and it can allow 12. I know from experience, I literally ran my previous ship at 1/1/1 for the weapons for dozens of encounters in lvl 75 systems, and I had issues with my shots slowing down like twice. Mind you, these were auto particle beams and a missile launcher that stores several shots. I was able to kill 3 to 4 ships without the recharge being an issue. I only turned them up when I decided to fight the entire crimson fleet at once. All that being said, there are a few disadvantages to using the maximum amount of weapons: •In theory, more damage can be 'wasted' if you do 120 damage and it only required 30 to kill. In practice, this is completely offset by the batteries of auto weapons, and is only a minor concern with non auto weapons because switching to a new target is often enough time for a non auto weapon to charge, even at a lower power setting (non auto weapons also have batteries which bring free energy in to the fight, but they only store enough for 1 shot so the front loaded damage bonus is much smaller than with auto weapons) •It costs more (I am not trying to optimize for cost, this is a late game build) •It is heavier (although weapons don't tend to be the major contributor to a ship's mass , and since they add hull strength you may be able to use a lighter/weaker reactor that makes the same power, ex: using the Sheared Flow SF-40 instead of the Pinch-8Z) •You are more likely to accidentally kill a ship when trying to disable it's engines. I use the vanguard autoprojectors when they are getting close to losing their engines and I refrain from using the the PBO-175s because the autoprojectors do a little less damage per shot. If the game would let me, I'd run 120 power worth of weapons per group instead of just 12. Then I could solo the crimson fleet on a power setting of 1/1/1 because each shot would be an instant kill while pulling only 1 trigger, and there are less ships than stored shots - 30 pbo 175s would provide 9 one shot kills even at 1/120 power, and 60 autoprojectors would provide 10 one shot kills even at 1/120 power. Then, my weapons could recharge while I'm scooping up all the scrap parts from their ships and getting ready to go to the next system. If that was the case, I'd probably use the hunter mag 450 for a missile launcher because 40 launchers would kill anything that you get a lock on, and it stores 10 shots.

@maitotechlab9035 as i know only 1 rocket type works like that. With 1 power u still get 3 loads of it. If u decrease power for other guns, they shoot slower and less times

Most builds that try to continue on the shape of the Cabot bridge through the entire hull end up looking similar, but I've never seen anyone build one that actually has max maneuvability and firepower.

For the typical space fights that you get involved in that have 3-4 opponents, I tend to agree. I did, however, make a save and then go berserk on every faction in the settled systems to test this ship. It seemed like the turrets were doing a bit more good when I was extremely outnumbered, but it's hard to say for sure.

I use turrets, but only allocate power if badly outnumbered. Par and Missles deal with most threats. Or Par and EM for easy capture.

It's a great weapon. 2nd best auto particle beam in the game behind the PBO-175 in terms of DPS, and you can get it as soon as you join the vanguard, while the PBO-175 cannot be purchased until high levels. You can also buy 6x vanguard obliterators for 20-25% less than 4x PBO-175s so it's a great value as well. Turrets are certainly less effective than pilot controlled weapons - but they work for me. I have to set the power to 0 when I want to board a ship or else they will finish it off before I get to destroy the engines.

@allensproject but do i need to fire them or they do it automatically? Cause as I said I never seen them firing automatically so thought what a useless piece of sh.. 🤣 🤷‍♂️ cause I have problems in the early game with ships attacking from behind..

@@twowaygreenman they are supposed to fire automatically... all you need to do is make sure they have power. They also have a limited range of motion, so if you place one facing backwards, it may not be able to fire on targets in front of you. This was my first ship was turrets, and I don't fully understand their exact behavior either. On this build, I often see the front-facing turret firing a few shots at my target. I play mostly using cockpit view, but when I switch to 3rd person, I have seen the rear turrets taking a few shots at targets behind me. I'm not sure what turrets you were using, but if you were using a ballistic or energy turret, it's possible you were just killing every target with your vanguard obliterators before any got in to range. Or maybe you are experiencing a bug. You could always make a save in case turrets really are broken for you and you need to revert and then add some turrets and then go to a place with lots of enemies - for example, the Crimson Fleet has a large number of ships at The Key in the Kryx system. Make sure your turrets have power, and then switch to 3rd person view so you can see them.

Select the object you want to duplicate, then hit ctrl+G

@shady_TTV thank you 😊