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@MrAshleyR2 ай бұрын
OK fine, I'll rewatch Atlantis again.
@rutgerb2 ай бұрын
I never did because it wasnt sg1. I think i am now growup enough to start with an open mind😂
@dosmastrify2 ай бұрын
They cut it off at cliffhanger, assholes
@jon-michaelharris58402 ай бұрын
Just finished my bi-annual binge watch
@centy642 ай бұрын
@@rutgerb Oh to be able to watch it for the first time again... you're in for a treat.
@Shervin862 ай бұрын
@@rutgerb I actually envy you! Have a nice journey
@Sir_Loin_Of_Beef2 ай бұрын
the fact that Shepherd had the balls to just splash 55 geni against the gate shield is part of why I like him almost as much as o'neill.
@jayburn002 ай бұрын
That episode was awesome. Basically die hard in stargate.
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
@@jayburn00 you mean other than the stsg1 referencin it ?
@lincolnnoronha41282 ай бұрын
lol
@Cheesusful2 ай бұрын
@@jayburn00"how do you know which dot is Shepherd?" he's the dot that's going to be killing all the other dots"
@supermagnificence75032 ай бұрын
Ronon vs Teal'c is fanservice done RIGHT
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
Indeed. /s
@c1ph3rpunkАй бұрын
Undomesticated equines could not keep from away from this.
@leapingtortoiseАй бұрын
The look on Shepherds face as Ronan decides to go hand-to-hand is incredible.
@amehak19222 ай бұрын
Stargate SG1 was popular enough that NORAD's Cheyenne Mountain facility labeled a supply closet door "Stargate Command" for the tourists.
@TomatoFettuccini2 ай бұрын
And RDA was given an honorary rank of Air Force Brigadier General.
@ANTIStraussian2 ай бұрын
@@TomatoFettucciniand he lead several missions interuppting Japanese whaling vessels 😂
@edwardkuenzi575115 күн бұрын
At least that's what they want us to believe
@BogeyTheBear6 күн бұрын
One of the quality-of-life services provided within the facility is a barber shop, so they could have given Joe Spencer a job there.
@ukmediawarrior2 ай бұрын
As someone who has met Jason Momoa a few times and was lucky enough to have spent time in his company while he was on Atlantis, I can tell you that a lot of Ronon's character is straight from Jason's own. His sense of humor, how physical he is, that's all Jason, lol. As an example I will tell you an anecdote from a Stargate Atlantis convention I worked at in the UK. I was security for Joe at the time and we were walking through the main hall outside the Green Room when the nearby toilet door opens and Jason appears. Upon seeing Joe he grins and then charges me and Joe, slamming us both to the ground, him on top as he hugs Joe. Then laughing he leaps up, grabs Joe's and my hands and drags us to our feet. Patting us down, he grins and walks off. When I asked Joe if that was how Jason normally behaved the man looked at me with tired eyes and said 'Yeah ... all the time', LOL :D
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
Inreresting but makws sense if it fits on the show. And jason mamoa seems awesome and lovely. Dude even adopted wolves. And how he on a talkshow is a dork lol
@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp2 ай бұрын
I always wondered why he didn't go anywhere, and figured he was washed in B movies...
@IrisCorven2 ай бұрын
Based on the kind of stuff Joe has posted on IG with Jason in it, this checks out 100%. lol
@TomatoFettuccini2 ай бұрын
Jason Momoa isn't generally cast for his ability to disappear into a character as much as he is cast to BE the character.
@redkommie802 ай бұрын
After seeing Jason bring Joe into that commercial recently, seeing how they are still friends, I love hearing this.
@shaggycan2 ай бұрын
The slow, multi year build up to actually seeing Atlantis take off and fly through space was amazing. Seeing a city sized ship was fantastic.
@lincolnnoronha41282 ай бұрын
indeed
@Zyzyx442Ай бұрын
Though I love Star Trek series and Battlestar Galactica it's only Stargate SG-1 & Atlantis that has that red thread of continuity of progress no other show have. Humanity goes from MP5's to Intergalactic Battlecruisers.
@lincolnnoronha4128Ай бұрын
@@Zyzyx442 oh! watch the expanse! :)
@Zyzyx442Ай бұрын
@@lincolnnoronha4128 thanks, looks good.
@Ternalin2 ай бұрын
Tori NAILED the part of Weir, Atlantis was never the same after she left the show. She had Janeway-like style and I loved how she never belittled the men who worked under her, indulging them a few times but her line "Gentlemen, Focus" was a reminder of who was in charge. I thought she was so good as the leader of Atlantis.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
The entire pivot on all fronts of the story going from season 3 to 4 was an absolute disaster for the show. I still think it was very good after but it wasn't the SAME. It compounded its baggage and started to drag itself down, wiping out the Replicators and effectively solving the Genii and just returning to the Wraith as the only actual villain even after they had been depowered and humbled by the power creep of the heroes. SG1 was smart to sidestep the Goa'uld after they became useless as enemies and only used them sparingly when they could be made MUCH more threatening (Anubis' ascendant powers, Ba'als incredible cunning).
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
@@Xathian The show was not planned or developed well. There were times when it seemed there was a war between two writing groups, each of which pruned the long-term developments of the other group whenever they showed signs of developing. And too much focus on Rodney in what was supposedly an ensemble cast! I know he was a great character with a great actor, that's no excuse to not develop anyone else.
@Ternalin2 ай бұрын
@@Xathian I agree, but I also respectfully disagree with Rowan, I don't feel that Michael was a good antagonist myself and I was a little bored with him after the first episode, I much preferred "Todd" and I felt the show should have focused more on the political infighting between the different hives and showing more aspects of Wraith society. I also felt the best thing to come out of Season 4 and 5 was the Vanir, the off-shoot of the Asgard and how they reacted to the destruction of their cousins was really interesting. I am surprised Rowan didn't mention those episodes because the Stargate on Atlantis literally exploded.
2 ай бұрын
@@TernalinAgreed, Michael wasn't great, while Todd was the best frenemy in all of Stargate.
@supermagnificence7503Ай бұрын
Yeah Honestly I loved her both in execution but especially in concept. She's not a military officer, she's diplomat a civilian. I feel like it tied pretty well into exploring the wider concept Stargate touched on at times, that being the whole "The Military making huge impactful decisions on behalf of the whole species with little to no oversight from civilian authorities let alone the average person."
@Herosthroe2 ай бұрын
Atlantis is the only show where I NEVER skip the opening credits. That main theme is just Heavenly! 😇
@Grivehn2 ай бұрын
I always felt like it could have used a bit more oomph. It wasnt bad nor bland, just some tones felt like they could have been a pinch stronger. But maybe thats just my taste, it certainly fit a 'heavenly' theme.
@briannevs2772Ай бұрын
The Season 4 (IIRC) effect of the character being somewhat frozen struck me as an excellent touch.
@TKinfinity012 ай бұрын
I still think Stargate Atlantis had at least 1-2 more good seasons in it. There were so many storylines left open and needed exploring. The fact that Aiden Ford wasn’t brought back is just a shame.
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
The Asgard offshoots in particular needed more story time, particularly after the extinction of the “local” ones at the end of SG-1.
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
Yeah, its really sad, and woolsy really carried a lot ther alone and there easyy could be other things to fight. plus wraith still exist, and the traveller, i mean the traveller ship folk and allies and the alliance that existed that didnt like them or was odd on them that existed is really interesting. Its really interesting that the y mess up stuff too and are sideyed by an alliance in that universe that isnt known. And they are foreigner. Which also is way more aware to not be the saviours but more complicated.
@IrisCorven2 ай бұрын
My biggest issue is that the ending was "We took Atlantis to Earth". Atlantis felt like a home in a different universe - it made a great way to separate the two chunks of the series mythos, by having Earth and the Pegasus Galaxy have their own issues, and teams that handled each. It's part of why the books immediately ran that back and were like "Lol no get that thing back out there."
@makasete30Ай бұрын
They even set up a new enemy in the Daedalus variations and I remember reading a review saying this would be cool enemy to explore in the next season. I’m curious why the retrospective doesn’t mention Stargate Universe as a reason why Stargate Atlantis was finished early. This is the first I’ve heard that the reason was the success of the movies. Joe Flannigan has said in a few interviews that the network was happy with SGA and would have accepted another season but the word from the writers was that they wanted to concentrate on SGU and not work on two shows.
@notanactualuser2 күн бұрын
@@IrisCorven well the plan was apparently to always take Atlantis back to Pegasus
@mahatmarandy59772 ай бұрын
Sadly, Sam just didn’t work in SGA. They just fundamentally didn’t think it through: she can’t do any of her normal super-genius stuff because that would reflect badly in Rodney, and she can’t do any of her normal badass stuff because that would reflect badly on Sheppard. And she’s even second-bananna in All My Sins Remembered *because* taking command of the operation would reflect badly in Caldwell. So essentially she’s stuck behind a desk doing admin work all year, and occasionally getting trapped in a hole or an elevator. Both of those could have been done by anyone. If people don’t see what the problem is with having Samantha goddamn Carter on the show for a year, and never firing a single bullet, nor using her scientific abilities….I don’t know what to tell them. Carter is one of the best female characters in all of SF, and here they make no use of her whatsoever.
@jaffarebellion2922 ай бұрын
True. I've always said Daniel would've made a better base commander for Atlantis. His expertise on the Ancients and his diplomatic acumen would allow him to carve out a niche for himself in the cast, and it would pay off his character throughline of always trying to get to Atlantis.
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
Thats why i love woolsy as he did find his role there, daniel could have done the same with learning to deal with the command being on him and being a lot annoyed, lol. Plus daniel is prestigious enough and technically counts as on the civilian side to do that demand.
@Norvo822 ай бұрын
Came here to say this 🙂 I'm happy Amanda Tapping got a paycheck for another season, but her involvement in the series was minimal.
@werewolfjedi382 ай бұрын
honestly though. a person like her reaching an important command position like Atlantis while it was under attack by wraith and ancient type replicator makes sense for her, like O-neil does for stargate command.
@c1ph3rpunkАй бұрын
@@werewolfjedi38ya know, as Jack would say, that’s O’Neill with 2 L’s, not the other guy. 😅
@jakobrandel81052 ай бұрын
Man, McKay and Shepard were just a lot of fun. I've loved all of the SG, but there was something about Atlantis.
@GOLANX2 ай бұрын
Favorite moment is when Shepard Gives Cameron a Lemon tells him to use it on Mckay whenever he needs a Miracle.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
The Shepard/McKay dynamic is exactly the reason why I think Atlantis is personally better even though I feel that objectively SG-1 is the better show. You just can't beat those 2.
@GoosterHiista2 ай бұрын
Ima just shout out the most underappreciated character from the show. Radek Zelenka.
@Sci-Fi-Mike2 ай бұрын
Those two worked well together!😅
@Sci-Fi-Mike2 ай бұрын
@Xathian it's Jack O'Neill and Daniel dialed up. Great pairing of actors/characters!
@Rocketsong2 ай бұрын
That "but first I need something to heal" line could have come straight out of Firefly.
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
“It’s a mite fuzzy on the subject of kneecaps.” (Shepherd Book)
@chrisb49442 ай бұрын
True story. The moment I saw Jason Momoa in the second season I thought this guy has the look of a movie star and could be a movie star. And then years later it was conan, game of thrones then Aquaman that made the world see what I saw years prior. Pretty cool. Also saw Henry Cavill as a future star in The Tudors. Two proud moments realizing I saw potential in these two as others saw as well!
@pokes4042 ай бұрын
I remember nearing the end of his introduction episode and thinking, "this guy's actually pretty good. I hope they bring him back some. I'd watch more stuff with him." Definitely a bit of an understatement on my part seeing as he was a household name a decade later.
@atlanteeanАй бұрын
I had the same reaction when I saw about 18 years ago James McAvoy in Children of Dune, and then years later he became the young professor X
@robwalsh98432 ай бұрын
One of the most memorable scenes is when the mass of Wraith wake up in their honeycomb-like hibernation chambers on the ship's ceiling. It really made them creepy and it effectively communicates to the audience that this is a different galaxy than that of the System Lords.
@Bluestar10792 ай бұрын
Season 1 of Atlantis was definitely unique for a sci-fi show. it got off the ground running, without the usual 'we'll make up the mythos as we go along' stumblings of most first seasons.
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
I mean 2 and late season 1 still did improve on what could be, hell ford is even send off interesting and his comeback. plus i love ronan And teila became interesting. It still figured out kinda. But true having a lore already helped while plenty room for new one.
@Blisterdude1232 ай бұрын
In fairness, unlike a lot of shows, Atlantis had a lot of established background in terms of story and lore and history, and by then extremely skilled and veteran crew working on it after SG-1. That was a well-oiled production team, by that point.
@roshieifra2 ай бұрын
I always respected Landry's speech in continuum, even though I understood that ultimately Baal's plan would work against us. I appreciated Beau Bridges' delivery a lot.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
Beau Bridges was gold, I loved basically any scene when Landry spoke
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
No mention of the super-weird penultimate episode set in Las Vegas? Or the *other* fan service episode for nerds with Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson? Or the appearances of McKay’s sister, played by David Hewitt’s actual sister?
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
Yeah, mind blown about the absence of Vegas. Very strong twist on the tone, gave some good space for Joe Flanagan to play a spin on his character.
@c1ph3rpunkАй бұрын
His sister appeared in what, like 6 episodes.
@martinhollas5874Ай бұрын
Ohhh I didn't know it was his actual sister, that's cool to know!
@BioniclesaurKing4t2Ай бұрын
He needs to leave something for people to find in the show that's not spoiled.
@mahatmarandy59772 ай бұрын
The story I’ve always heard is that Steen claimed she had a family emergency and begged time off, so they rejiggered shooting to accommodate and *then* learned that her emergency was going to Burning Man. At which point they realized they couldn’t trust her, and, boom, gone.
@wilhelmrk2 ай бұрын
Burning man? No, more like burning career
@marocat47492 ай бұрын
I mean too bad for her but i think i cant imagine another weir. Lol
@captainyossarian3882 ай бұрын
1:27 The late Joel Goldsmith's theme for Atlantis is one of my favorite science fiction themes. Just love it, and love the show. They really captured the feel of being on a new unexplored frontier.
@ChrisHolzer2 ай бұрын
I am in love with Stargate ever since I watched the movie in the cinema. SG1 and Atlantis were awesome and I honestly enjoed Universe A LOT - but I am still upset that this show was not allowed to have a proper conclusion. :(
@jclebourdais102 ай бұрын
I wonder if he's going to cover the recent web series where Connor Trinneer appears.
@Scerttle2 ай бұрын
20:35 I forgot Colm Meaney was in Atlantis, but I immediately recall loving him in it!
@Scerttle2 ай бұрын
1:00:00 oh cool, I thought the films were forthcoming, nice!
@NativeNewMexican2 ай бұрын
Hell, his character in Atlantis was FAR cooler than STTNG or DS9.
@brandonmurphy3012 ай бұрын
Atlantis is my favorite SG series. I have watched the whole thing more than 10 times, and still default to a choice few fairly often(Tao of Rodney, and the 3-part The Siege the most). I was lucky enough to meet David Hewlett and Jewel Staite at Shore Leave in 2008, and my photo with them is one of my prized possessions. I was devastated when it was canceled, and further when the movie never came to be. Shepherd: "how are the weapons coming?" McKay: "We couldn't hit the side of a barn." Shepherd: "Well, compared to a hive ship, a barn is-" McKay: "A GIANT, FLYING BARN! We couldn't hit that!"
@cazdanjaladan2 ай бұрын
Man, this show was like...my first real TV show. I was too little to understand SG1 until the last few seasons, but Atlantis I watched with my dad from the first episode until it was canceled. I couldn't get enough of it and Atlantis holds a special place in my heart for the entertainment it brought me all those years ago. Thank you for this video, I think I'm going to go watch this show again!
@CJonesApple2 ай бұрын
Stargate Universe. Just when it found it's footing and got good it was cancelled.
@Flatlower2 ай бұрын
@@dffndjdjd SGU came after BSG style fatigue set in. It was more about personal drama than Scifi....Needs to be a mixture of both and it didnt know what it wanted to be.
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
The unrelenting grimdark misery capped off every episode by a music video montage eventually turned me off.
@paulrasmussen89532 ай бұрын
It got way too dark for franchise
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
After it had alienated most of the fans of the previous iterations of the franchise, it had burned too much goodwill in the process of finding its footing.
@paulrasmussen89532 ай бұрын
@Matt42MSG i stopped early on. It was the wrong direction
@jamesabernethy78962 ай бұрын
These long retrospectives have been great. Although always thought that SG1 was the better show, I really liked many aspects of Atlantis. You've said much of this already, the characters were fresh and not lazy copies, this created a whole new dynamic. I really liked the Wraith, they dipped into that horror aspect. Although SG1 was the stronger show, when Atlantis got things right they could got toe to to with the best of SG1.
@IrisCorven2 ай бұрын
There are some great episodes of SGA that trump ones from SG1, for me. Which is saying a lot, because SG1 has some killer episodes.
@Tolly72492 ай бұрын
Rodney McKay is my favourite, Autism/ADHD solidarity all the way. Also, if Sunday doesn't make you well up at least once, there might not be hope for you. That episode is perfection.
@NinaFelwitch2 ай бұрын
It was a mistake by MGM to cancel Atlantis. I personally didn't like the premise of Universe and wish we had gotten more SG1 and Atlantis episodes or movies.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
I can see why they did it. Keep in mind, the SG1 movies were eye opening. Instead of making a 20 episode season they made a movie that cost as much as 4 episodes and it made more money than the season would have. That's a clear indicator of a much smarter financial setup to shift the show to. While I FULLY stand on the side of long, expansive season being much better than one off movies. It's not hard to see why the powers at MGM, especially in their building financial disaster, wanted to safer movie option instead, just disregarding that the bankruptcy meant we never even got the movie.
@TheRealZiktus2 ай бұрын
Great video! SGA is peak science fiction for me. It's wild to think that McKay barely made it onto the show, since even in a cast filled with wonderful characters and performances, Hewlett's McKay is an absolute standout for me.
@emerald827415 күн бұрын
The thing that has always stood out to me rewatching the series over and over is how well the character development for McKay was. He started as essentially an arrogant know it all coward and eventually showed some true bravery and heroism, while still being an arrogant know it all but open to showing humility. Shedding off Shepard's disdain and gaining his respect.
@NerdRahtio2 ай бұрын
I loved the show despite it having a ton of issues that would have killed a lesser show. Ronan grew on me, but seemed to necessitate a change in Taila, Beckett’s death was rushed, but the clone’s return cheapened it. Weir was missed when she was gone, but it was clear they were pushing her into the background prior to her departure. I loved Carter in Sg-1 but she didn’t work in season 4 and her quick departure was odd. The Athosians had potential but were pushed aside quickly. It also seems very unrealistic that the ranking military officer would also lead a team of the leading scientist which headed his own department and two alien warriors. I also wanted more of season 1’s setting with city exploration and isolation. Despite all that, I loved the characters and the I think they had the 2 best villain groups in all of stargate.
@Jeremy-832 ай бұрын
Shephard was never head of security nor did he inherit said position. Shephard became the ranking military officer upon Sumners death making Shephard the military commander. The bases chief of security was Sergeant Bates.
@Dirt1061Ай бұрын
I can’t wait for the Universe retrospective. It was a show I hated at first but then fell in love with. Really sad to me how the whole franchise kind of disappeared.
@GyroFootlose2 ай бұрын
Up to the last minute, I thought this would be the end of the retrospective, I had totally forgot Stargate Universe's existence. I watched some seasons of SG-1 and Atlantis multiple times, but I never gave a second thought to Universe!
@kelvincasing52652 ай бұрын
Only good thing about it was the music. And that one episode with the facehuggers was fun too.
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
@@kelvincasing5265 So much wasted potential...
@pokes4042 ай бұрын
Maybe it really is what the creators wanted to do, but it sure felt like the Sci-Fi Channel mandated that Stargate give the network another Battlestar Galactica to air. It was an interesting premise, but it just tonally didn't fit the rest of the franchise. Which, to be fair, isn't always a bad thing. Andor is tonally much different than the rest of Star Wars, but it's one of my favorite things Star Wars has ever put out. That's a difficult needle to thread though and the execution just wasn't up to that level in Stargate Universe.
2 ай бұрын
The second season was much better. I think that the biggest issue was that they ignored their own premise in a way, we spent too much time on Earth having melodrama. This could've worked later in the series, if we've got to know these people and their struggles, but on the get go this was bad. Season two was what the first one should've been.
@Matt42MSGАй бұрын
@@pokes404 Supposedly the showrunner wasn't a fan of the Stargate franchise. That would explain a lot. I note that Universe also spent a lot of time on Earth having pointless drama due to the communication stones. Unfortunately, they never bothered working out how the stones actually functioned; that is, whether the stones merely intercepted nerve signals going in and out of the brain, or somehow transmitted someone's mind. They seemed to be leaning towards the latter in some cases, but didn't realize how many problems that brings up.
@shaggycan2 ай бұрын
When Atlantis and Enterprise were cancelled it was the end of the golden age of TV Sci-fi.
@alex304252 ай бұрын
I don’t know, we got some truly amazing Sci fi shows in the 2010s. Some of them even being way more popular with the mainstream.
@shaggycan2 ай бұрын
@@alex30425 name one? I don't think sci-fi really recovered on TV till 2015-2020. There was at least a 5 year 'Dark Age'. I totally count The Expanse, but that really took until 2020 to really catch fire.
@alex304252 ай бұрын
@@shaggycan well the second of the decade is still the 2010s. Though yeah I’d say it’s definitely more pack in the that second half. The first one that comes to mind is Black Mirror, which premiered in 2011 which entered the mainstream and is the modern day Twilight zone. There were still other really good shows like continuum, 12 monkeys, Dark Matter, the Orville, travers and others. When it comes to other big hits there was of course The Expanse, Westworld, Stranger Things and more. The 2010s were a transition period away from episodic and cable TV but I’d say streaming allowed for some truly great Sci fi shows that found large audiences.
@TealJosh2 ай бұрын
@@dffndjdjdI'm a little confused by what you are using the word serialized for.
@IrisCorven2 ай бұрын
@@TealJosh I get the point he's making - he means the way in which sci-fi up until then was "Planet/People/Issue of the week", and then some of those would factor into a bigger storyline, instead of the series being one big push through a single story. A lot of newer sci-fi shies away from that method now, as having a more cohesive, singular plot seems to be better for audience retention, as most people might tune in and go "wtf is even happening?". Which honestly is kind of a weird thing to begin with, as it just doesn't happen anymore, because no one "tunes in" to anything on accident anymore, they start from episode #1 on a streaming service. I'd love if a few more shows would go the old TNG/DS9/VOY/SG-1 route of storytelling, but it's just not the norm anymore. He's right in the way that Orville managed that the best.
@breakingthenotion.60452 ай бұрын
I’m surprised at the way they handle Aiden Ford. I found his story arc interesting and they never touched on it again or gave it an official definite ending.
@CJonesApple2 ай бұрын
Yay more Stargate content
@TwoWholeWorms2 ай бұрын
My favourite Stargate series
@andys30002 ай бұрын
You forgot the best episode "the shrine" because of david Hewlett's acting.
@samuelazzaroАй бұрын
I adore the moment Rodney hugs ronan and heals his scars.
@lightspeedbear2 ай бұрын
You must say the word Staaaar at least 500 times in each of these Stargate or Star Trek retrospectives.
@kevinkorenke35692 ай бұрын
I am so pleased to see the many references to Eureka, from props to actors being in this show.
@haloman117fanatic2 ай бұрын
A the Eureka cast popped up in a lot of programs especially the ones by the Sci-fi channel. It was always fun spotting them. It would be cool to get a Eureka retrospective 😀
@FeannaFey2 ай бұрын
I watched SG-1 from the start, but SGA was the one where I got into the fandom aspect of it, mainly fanfiction. And I still miss a lot of things about that. While the show was good (at first) there was also a lot of space left by the narrative to expand in all directions. And I enjoyed the ones that focused on creating a future for/in the Pegasus Galaxy. One story that never actually got written, just the a setup chapter, still makes me kind of wish that it was a show I could have watched. The premise was that during the preparations for the expedition somebody pointed out that preparations for a trip where you know NOTHING about where you're going and if you would ever be able to get back would mean preparing to found a colony world. So they took seeds and trees and picked staff with relevant secondary skills AND practiced going through the Stargate a lot so they could use up every millisecond to get through as many resources as possible. To this day I cringe when watching the scene with Sheppard and Ford just standing talking around while the Stargate is already connected to Atlantis. This is also why the show's ending with Atlantis on earth just feels wrong. It needed to go back to the Pegasus galaxy. The last season(s) also have a lot of bad stuff in it. I vaguely remember an episode with a "special all women!!" gate team that was incredibly bad and offensive. I also remember many people pointing out, that while in general the idea of Teal'c vs. Ronon is fun and the episodes had some good stuff in it, the exact way they did the scene with Ronon and Teal'c fighting/sparring is set up in a way that there are two men of color fighting for the entertainment of a bunch of white men standing around them (and betting). (And I can absolutely see how that scene came about without any bad intentions!, but it still has some bad vibes.) I also still recall some disparaging comments from the showrunners at the end about the fans that absolutely made me feel unwanted. (not young and male enough, eh?) That said, I still tried to watch Stargate Universe, but found it just simply unenjoyable. All that said, it was incredibly fun to watch this video and be reminded of a lot of things I loved about the show, so that you for making it!
@sw-gs2 ай бұрын
15:53 I wouldn't called that as "ruthlesness", but as compassion.
@TomatoFettuccini2 ай бұрын
Shepard wasn't being ruthless when he killed Sumner. That was the textbook definition of a "mercy kill" - Sumner didn't want to die by Wraith; he wanted to go out on his terms. Shepard was, in that instance, his terms. That's like saying taking long-suffering people off life support or euthanizing badly wounded animals is ruthless. In fact, "mercy" and "ruthless" have diametrically opposed meanings - "ruthless" literally means "without mercy". You literally cannot be ruthless while being merciful. Instead Shepard's ruthlessness is displayed during the two-part The Storm. In that episode he went from being wise-cracking action-y dude to straight-up Do Not Fuck With badass on-par with John Rambo.
@guitargodthor22 ай бұрын
Honestly, I was kind of disappointed that McKay didn't make a Scanners reference when he became psychic. He could've at least made the face once during the episode or telekineticly pushed someone across the room. It would've been cool to see a Wraith's head blow up, tbh.
@mattstakeontheancients75942 ай бұрын
My favorite actor/actress on this show was Rachel Luttrell. Great actress and was cool having a native of the galaxy in such a central role. Makes me want to binge Atlantis again.
@roshieifra2 ай бұрын
Rodney McKay is great in Stargate Atlantis. I had no problem believing that the character would've changed between the shows, and within Stargate Atlantis.
@Captain118902 ай бұрын
Still not over Carson Beckett's death.
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
I really disliked the attempt to 'bring him back', not least because that isn't how cloning works.
@supermagnificence7503Ай бұрын
@@Matt42MSG Yeah they REAAAALLY just glossed over him somehow having the exact same memories/personality. They literally ask at one point "How tf did he do that" but they never actually explain it.
@Matt42MSGАй бұрын
@@supermagnificence7503 Atlantis had some good writing, and lots of bad writing. Very patchy.
@creepycraiyons35192 ай бұрын
It took real time travel from Atlantis to Earth to get this video.
@t4rv0r6019 күн бұрын
i was the hormoning 12 year old when Ronon was introduced into the show and having what is basically a video game badass on the show was certainly awesome. 20yrs later and i still like him, he is still video gamy but also the kind giant of the group. he displays the same level of loyalty towards his friends as Teal'c does. a fearsome warrior and a stalwart friend. plus his space 6 shooter is like my songle favorite piece of sci fi prop ever. Shepards ruthlessness is stargate command philosophy personified. be aware of potential threads. make friends when you can, when thread appears, deal with it as fast and efficient as possible.
@mahatmarandy59772 ай бұрын
The way this is phrased makes it seem like Ark of Truth and Continuum take place after season 4. In terms of continuity, Ark takes place after the end of season 10 of SG1 and prior to the first episode of season 4 of SGA. Continuum takes place after the first episode of season 5 of SGA.
@roshieifra2 ай бұрын
I personally never thought Shepard was ruthless in killing Sumner, I thought it was merciful.
@rmsgrey2 ай бұрын
I've not rewatched Atlantis since it first aired, but watching the description of Ronon here, my first thought is Tyr Anasazi...
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
Less arrogant, less fixated on his own superiority. Otherwise... the similarities are startling.
@makosnАй бұрын
Bringing Mitch Pileggi to Atlantis was such a big play, great actor
@Flatlower2 ай бұрын
we needed a proper ending season or movie, more than SGU
@StephenHennessy-Stone-ee5fy2 ай бұрын
The best Stargate spin off after SG-1
@eXtremeStreamers2 ай бұрын
Thank you for Re-uploading with the end fixed. Going to need a new badge soon almost 3 years.
@jacklindsey84002 ай бұрын
Them basically writing out Ford never sat right with me and it's why I never picked up mroe than the first season for the longest time, I mean sure sometimes characters don't work out, but in my opinion you find ways to make him work, not jettison him for someone sexier, even if that person does become Aquaman.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
I know it's a controversial hot take but I liked Ford far more than Teyla. I think Teyla is the worst main cast character in the entire franchise. Her writing from start to finish feels half baked, she almost comes off like a dated concept of the mystical native sidekick who mostly exists to espouse all the needed exposition for all the new people, enemies and planets we're heading to in this weeks episode. For like the entire latter half of the series she feels like straight up useless set dressing, and she clearly starts phoning it in badly after her real life pregnancy. She only had a handful of episodes where she felt like an interesting character. Also as a small irrelevant nitpick that annoys me, I feel like Rachel Luttrell could just never get comfortable with a gun, she holds them very awkwardly in fight scenes.
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
@@Xathian After B5, I thought no SF show would ever be made without established plans for arcs, but it seems the Stargate franchise never had long-term intentions as a whole or solid ideas for character development. In a show with such large cast, it was grossly irresponsible not to make plans for each ensemble member. Teyla was always an afterthought that the writers weren't comfortable with writing, and they had nothing to fall back on.
@comentedonakeyboard2 ай бұрын
41:26 Fun Fact: Tod means Death in German, arguably the most fitting Name for a Wraith.
@VolrinSeth2 ай бұрын
It's pronounced completely differently though. And spelled differently too.
@Norvo822 ай бұрын
Thanks for this enjoyable look at Atlantis 🙂 I forgot how much I enjoyed seeing David Nykl's doctor Zelenka. He was only supposed to be a minor character, but proved to be such a natural, fun fit for this show about an international expedition.
@chheinrich84862 ай бұрын
Anyone seen the recent guinnes commercial with Jason mamoa and joe flannigan😂
@JohnnyWednesday2 ай бұрын
I have now - love it!
@Spielkalb-von-Sparta2 ай бұрын
That's really funny!
@danshea11662 ай бұрын
Thanks for the heads up!
@nothingness8632 ай бұрын
SGA is a top tier scifi that appears once in a decade. I was really upset when cancelation was announced. I really appreciate everyone involved in the production of this gem
@shaggycan2 ай бұрын
So many stunning ladies on this show. Not sure I ever recovered from Erin Chambers though.
@CantankerousDave2 ай бұрын
She and Allison Smith - a crush of mine from back on the day - could be twins. Canada has a ridiculously attractive gene pool. Plus Leonor Varela, of course.
@davidalan67012 ай бұрын
Your retrospectives are easily my favorites. I actually just finished rewatching atlantis because I knew this was coming. Onto universe!
@IrisCorven2 ай бұрын
Eureka and Atlantis were MUST WATCH TV for me, in my late teens/early 20's. Up to that point, I just watched stuff made for my age range, or would sit and watch an episode of TNG/DS9/VOY with my dad, here and there. They were the first TV shows I really remember connecting with. I had watched SG-1 and liked it, but felt pretty lost because I'd miss so much of it. But Atlantis hit a sweet-spot with me that I didn't expect - SG-1 had great adventures that would lead to them going home and having a new adventure each week, further pushing the mythos out and creating a universe. Atlantis felt the same, but had that added quality of "We're out here on our own, building a *new* home". Which honestly made it pretty bittersweet when they finally got back to Earth.
@trevinbeattie48882 ай бұрын
Connor Trinneer was my favorite actor in this series, as well as ST: Enterprise. He reminds me of my cousin. 😍 It’s a shame they wound up hiding his adorable face beneath wraith prosthetics.
@jessicar41682 ай бұрын
I'm a huge SG1 fan and I liked Atlantis. I agree that SG1 was the superior show and that Atlantis became a bit aimless. Tbh, for me, it was a horrible shame that all three shows came to an end when they did. There was definitely still at least a season left to explore the Ori. As SG1 also had a dip around season 4/5, I think there's a good chance that Atlantis could have recovered too. With SGU, I think that it would have done better in a streaming era, when the whole season could have dropped and been binged in one go. It was too slow for week to week release. I think the situation also killed it with the fans because they believed SGU was being traded for SGA. I actually didn't watch SGU myself until a couple of years after its release and I really enjoyed it. I would have also loved to see more there. Really, it's just crappy that a show like Supernatural got to plod on with nowhere near the same material to mine, while all these great shows got cancelled. It's also really crap that we are still waiting around for more. It's high time that we get something else with a genuine tie to the original shows. I just hope that whatever comes next is high quality and can survive in the new TV landscape. I mean, even Russell T Davies is uncertain about the future of Doctor Who at the moment. I miss the days of a loyal audience meaning something to execs.
@marcushanes1002 ай бұрын
Stargate Atlantis is one of my all time favorite shows. It started off kind of rough but by the time it made ford a villain and added ronin it really clicked and the main cast really played well off each other. But for me the most stand out character was Rodney I have almost never had a character I liked so little to start with become a favorite. His growth in the show was a joy to see. Hewlett loved this character and it shows!
@adrianvanleeuwen2 ай бұрын
Worthy opponents on Atlantis were the replicator world which was developed far more than in SG1. Some great episodes.
@kodibrown-main-90722 ай бұрын
Thanks for finally making this video. I have been a massive Stargate fan, and specifically a massive Stargate Atlantis fan. I was introduced to Stargate Atlantis before Stargate SG-1 or the original Movie, so I’ve been waiting on this video for a while.
@Cobaltxj52 ай бұрын
Really curious about SG Universe retrospective, where MGM somehow fumbled a premise that could have run 10 seasons...
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
They started by taking a proposed show by someone who wasn't a fan of SG and persuading him to set it in that universe for the increased fan draw. Then they miffed making a plot for development, made characters who were unprofessional and often unlikeable, made most of the characters make stupid choices, turned the show into a soap opera in the worst sense of the term, didn't work out the details of how their science fiction worked... and didn't learn from their mistakes fast enough. SG-1 had some problems early on, but they learned fast and corrected errors rapidly. Universe doubled-down.
@afaultytoaster2 ай бұрын
Hey you didn't mention the absolutely incredible alternate reality episode Vegas! It's like X-Files meets CSI!
@BeckiMuttley2 ай бұрын
One of my favourite parts about Shepherd and Ronan is "easy chewey" lol
@BogeyTheBear2 ай бұрын
"Well, they don't watch _The Simpsons._ Or drink beer."
@Gimleeminigod2 ай бұрын
this video made me realise i didn't saw continuum , had to pause and them watch it
@NovusDundus2 ай бұрын
Rewatching Atlantis, I couldn't help but see some proto ideas for episodes that'd be redone in Stargate Universe
@xtexasxfightx2 ай бұрын
Atlantis was my first introduction to stargate. I love it to this very day. Love your stuff, Mr. Coleman.
@Tyranidus72 ай бұрын
Really seems with hindsight being what it is, that someone in management at SciFi was out to kill Stargate for seemingly personal reasons and they were successful. The shows were successful on TV, the movies were massive unexpected successes, and yet everything got cancelled for seemingly no reason. I was a huge fan when it came out and the only semi-understandable cancellation of Stargate Universe made any sense, and even then, I felt like that show was starting to get its footing as it started getting more light-hearted in the second season. And with the Sci-Fi channels changes in following years I am convinced executives at the helm were just out to kill the "nerdy" TV show so they could move onto their own visions.
@RowanJColeman2 ай бұрын
According to the showrunners Sci-Fi were actually very supportive of both shows. Stargate's downfall had more to do with MGM's financial difficulties and the show's producers pivoting to a market which was about to evaporate. The Sci-Fi Channel, in this case, weren't at fault.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
It was financials, not malice. Stargate was an expensive show, Atlantis even more so. Millions per episode. It was easier to shift from a 20 episode yearly season to an annual movie that only cost as much as 3-4 episodes. The problem was they cancelled the show to shift to that movie approach then MGM absolutely imploded in the process. Basically the entire company reshuffled and the people in charge after that weren't interested anymore. Joe Flangan had a story he told at ComiCon about trying to save the show. He got a bunch of investors interested in buying the production rights to Atlantis to continue the show after the movie was stalled, heads at MGM during the restructure were interested in the idea and it was working out. Then MGM finalized their bankruptcy and fully restructured and everyone he had been making the deal negotiations with were no longer with the company. Killed the entire plan.
@NooOneSpecial2 ай бұрын
It was this retrospective series that's made me commit to watching the entire thing. Once I get to season 8 Im gonna try watching both series episodes one after the other to keep both series on the same timeline.
@sharp14x2 ай бұрын
See the viewing order compiled on /r/stargate by /u/bill.
@danjon19722 ай бұрын
Vancouver dude here - the Pemberton Icefields (not glacier) aren't in Alaska - it's located nearby Pemberton BC (north of Whistler) . Picky but - yeah gotta rep Pemby proper.
@andybrown42842 ай бұрын
I always found it hard to believe that O'Neill or those who knew about the stargate program would have considered colonel everett as a good (or best of the bad) option for the defence of the city. He might have been a decent enough military commander for a standard operation but the instant he stepped through the gate and announced "you are relieved" to people with nowhere to go he failed as a leader. Also very dismissive of their efforts until their arrival and seemed reluctant to find out up to date intel.
@Life-Row-Toll8 сағат бұрын
I love the series and I believe the show's theme song is quite brilliant and beautiful.
@Shervin862 ай бұрын
Been waiting for this episode for so long and I have to watch later😢 it's 11.30pm and I got work at 4am Sad I can't be here watching this with all the SG teams. Thank you for all your hard work putting these videos together. ✌🏻 'n' ❤
@satyasyasatyasya57462 ай бұрын
Always had a softspot for Atlantis. Its not very deep but its just so kinda, well made TV. Comfy but actionpacked, funny but well acted at times.
@dracrorasco49072 ай бұрын
Anyone else irritated he didn’t talk about Todd that much
@NerdRahtio2 ай бұрын
Yeah, Todd was much more well written and more interesting than Michael
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
@@NerdRahtio My jaw almost hit the floor when he introduced Michael and talked about how great he was. I mean Connor Trinneer is excellent and his first episode is very compelling but man did I hate Michael after that point, he's probably the thing I dislike most about the entirety of Atlantis.
@NerdRahtio2 ай бұрын
@@Xathian yeah his writing went down hill, the character changed to much and in an unbelievable way to me, and yet I wanted more Todd.
@metjetfan232 ай бұрын
RIP the late great Julian Sands.
@Sci-Fi-Mike2 ай бұрын
I need to rewatch my DVD boxset. I absolutely loved SG-1, but Atlantis was fantastic, as well.
@shadowdancertheredmage679821 сағат бұрын
Altlantis bringing in the Replicators reminded me of ST Voyager bringing in the Borg.
@mementomori55802 ай бұрын
Nice work Rowan, looking forward already to the last part!
@jpofgwynedd38782 ай бұрын
Oh, I had such a crush on Elizabeth Weir!
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
Actual strong women who aren't bullies or entitled are terribly rare on television, and Weir was a great character with a great actress. I never understood why they felt the need to eliminate the character...
@AWMJoeyjoejoe2 ай бұрын
Another thing i liked about Sheppard is he was a lot smarter than O'Neill, like Mensa smart.
@NerdRahtio2 ай бұрын
O’Neill was faking his “dumbness” it slips through sometimes.
@papabear5622 ай бұрын
I love Atlantis, but when Higginson and McGillion were written out of the show, they pissed off too many of the fans, myself included.
@damaradona2 ай бұрын
That short choral piece whenever Atlantis is mentioned is practically identical to that used for the original Tomb Raider theme. It's probably unlikely that Goldsmith had ever even played the Tomb Raider games so plagiarism accusations are unwarranted. It's a crazy coincidence, though. Another great retrospective. They always are. Thank you for sharing more of your brilliant, hard work with us.
@nox55552 ай бұрын
tomb Raider was much bigger at that time than now, so maybe?
@Matt42MSG2 ай бұрын
There are only so many possible melodies.
@damaradona2 ай бұрын
@@Matt42MSG indeed.
@1987MartinT2 ай бұрын
I saw the movie first, but this was the first of the TV series that I saw.
@ferrenberg2 ай бұрын
I really love Atlantis, it's my favorite Stargate. Also a nice change of pace after so msny seasons of OG Stargate
@roshieifra2 ай бұрын
I'm probably biased, bc I loved Robert Picardo in voyager, but I really liked him as Woolsey.
@Xathian2 ай бұрын
Robert Picardo is on a whole other level, the guy stole scene after scene in season 5, his scene talking about his fathers Alzheimer’s was incredible acting
@roshieifra2 ай бұрын
@@Xathian yes, I always specifically remember that scene. There was so much bittersweet pain in his eyes and tone of voice.
@pyroxys0072 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this for stargate! I always feel like in the wider audience there are only two Star sci fi universes, and I LOVE that my favorite show of all time is getting such loving treatment from you! Also, just in general you are VERY good at these long form videos, and if this is something that interests you (and supports you) enough, I believe you can find major success in this whole youtube thing. Like, you are just too good not be loved once the algorithm hits or whatever.
@operatorhoot4702 ай бұрын
Fantastic work Rowan, thank you.
@Tomhyde098Ай бұрын
I still remember watching the premiere of Atlantis. I was 13 and I watched it on our CRT tv in the basement. I was blown away and loved it. I can’t believe how fast 20 years has passed
@iamperplexed46952 ай бұрын
Finally you are getting around to the best Stargate...Universe.
@londo776Ай бұрын
i actually quite enjoyed it, As it was much darker from the other star gates, the show had a lot of potential But unfortunately it didn't happen. Universe is always gonna split opinion From us fans