Can you de power your 3 250f to a 125. And then compare to a 125

Great video, appreciate the honest take. Having also ridden the Varg I can tell you that the throttle mapping down low drastically changes as you up the horsepower. I would highly recommend bumping it up to 55-60hp even if you don't use it all (to be a fair comparison to the 250) just so it provides the bottom end that you're looking for. Also as others have said the Varg easily weighs 30 pounds heavier and thus will require more HP to get moving out of the corners. Obviously increasing the HP isn't going to do any favors to the range but it would be interesting to give it another go.

This is the first review iv seen that isn’t all unicorns and rainbows

I rode one yesterday through the woods,prob did a mile plus and only lost 2 percent.im 260lbs so i say it did a great job.I’ve rode 250 and 450s and it’s a whole different experience but for me I absolutely loved it and the ability to lug it

This was an awesome vlog. Be interesting to see what the old foxhills bike would do for comparison

You need to go on Tommy and Ed’s podcast! Talk all mxgp and tech! Be so interesting! Great vid btw!

Mate of mine races it in Belgium for a 12min race with heavy ruts and had to back down the last few laps because the battery was losing so much % every lap. So just what you are saying...

Well that was a really weird way to do a test 😂

for the stark to be efficient it needs to be in the middle of its rev range. having the power slightly higher to 48hp -52hp youll most probably get better range. the slightly higher power removes the power lag in 40hp mode and gives a better delivery

What lap times are Tommy romain etc. doing ?

This felt a little bias if I’m honest. Think it would of been best to set the stark a bit higher, judging it off the feel instead as the stark may exaggerate their figures so 40hp maybe 30? Agree with the bike been more suitable for regular punters on more hard pack tracks. However I’m sure the test would of been different if it had honda written on the side 🤔

i think going slower on any bike that has its power capped less than the other is to be expected... i wish you also did a comparison at closer to the same power of the other bike or else just with more power because from what i understand the Stark Varg has about double available than the 40 hp you capped it at.

Is booth bikes in original setup. Howe much engin breaking did you use.

set to monster mode?

Turns the power down so that it has a 5hp disadvantage, then complains about the lack of power 🤪. I get what you were trying to do, but maybe you should try dialing the power to where they cut the same lap times. You definitely should not feel like it has no low end power, thats where it absolutely dominates a conventional motor. I would say the power mapping probably needs some work, and dialed down that low it's super soft for beginner style riding.

Great vlog. Be interesting to see lap times and battery life after a 20 min moto on the setting you find you get the best out of the bike.

Great video! The best part was seeing how the battery performed in real usage. I'm nowhere near as fast, obviously, but the battery life is what makes me hesitant on a Stark. They say the battery is equivalent to a full tank of gas but this seems to show that that is a bit exaggerated, unless my slowness would help in that area 😂

Might as well put a throttle stop on a 450 or a restrictor on pipe or intake so it has same power, then compare to a 250. Sound silly right, it is.

Battery life on them is an issue, and fast lads like you will 100% not last a full pro moto. Mine had an update a few weeks ago that sorted the power fade, apparently the battery thought it was overheating so limited power, so make sure yours is updated if its really bad. Secondly its a fair few kilos heavier than my 250 yam, so setting it to the around the same HP you're going to be down on power to weight. I guess you're not shifting etc, so maybe its fair, but I've found 50-55hp the best setting to make the bike feel good. Anything less and it does feel too slow out of turns like you said. Hopefully v2 Starks when they're out can last a full moto with no fade, but right now this is the best electric option we have.

Finally a honest review 👏 🙌 Thankyou.

Great vlog! Like it or hate it, it’s the future! I personally (at 45) can’t ever see myself owning an electric bike? The power of petrol all the way 💪🏻

how long are the vargs on backorder for

Man that track is super dope, where is this?????

Awesome comparison, bring on hawkstone 💪🏼. Top 5 finish at the international easy! 🤟🏽😎

Would be interesting how it would do after you learnt how to use the phone on the handlebars to move the power around.

Could you do a 20 min unlimited run for Stark ? Would it bog and fade the same as well? And would the extra power compensate ? Other riders have mentioned they adjust the power on the go to match whats needed. Interesting comparison 👌

Modern 250F's are incredible, fastest lap at Washougal last year was Deegan on the Yammi 250F (yes... faster than 450s). Power isnt everything if it aint usable.

How come it was set to 40 hp 1/2 power? You can ride why wouldn't they want you to ride it at 80 hp.

Monicca be havin more camera angles than ESPN n shit

Great video Jake best mx channel on KZfaq keep them coming boys. Bio fuel has to be the answer for motorsport surely?!

Interesting but you should try the Varg with different hp settings before critiquing it. Others have had better experiences with it at higher levels of power. Give it another go please.

Brilliant Vlog informant and illuminating.

Your track is a bit sandy but nothing compared to Lommel. I wonder what the Stark would be like in those conditions? I like this test and think it adds another view on electric bikes. The Stark does seem to divide people. The Marmite of MX. Would be great if you could carry on testing it. Maybe a weigh in of the 250f vs Stark would be good, different power outputs. Could even grad the track and ride one bike first then grade it again and try the other if that is possible. Great video keep it up 👍🏻

Why run less power ? Did you run both on a dyno to compare the number match ? Great to see though even though you gave the Varg a disadvantage, no one took power off 4 strokes against a 2 stroke challenge, should have run it at what felt similar and maybe extra power would have helped battery not drain as much if that makes sense. 👍

Don’t understand why there is so much negativity towards this honest review. He said it was good just not for racers. I have seen 2 different people roll up to race meetings now. First guy was pushing it after practice Second one managed a 2 lap practice then a 12 min race. Had to miss race 2 cause it didn’t charge enough within the gap between races. Then out for last race. And before anyone says get a bigger generator. That completely goes against the purpose in the first place.

I have a stark, they def lack low end punch until you turn the power up closer to 50hp then you have power everywhere, I'm guessing stark will eventually update the software and allow you to adjust the power delivery, that would be amazing.

NICE V IDEO JN

muy inteligente análisis

Definitely buying a Stark Varq

awesome rider ,wow

Def need to turn up the HP 40 is not enough for a track, I’ve found 46-50 great and 55 for more demanding tracks

Power to weight ratio could be a fair bit different at 40hp i would guess without looking it up.

Fuck those electric things that would bore me to death..imagine a gp with all electric bikes you would only go once and that would be the end of the sport Make bikes louder I say ..God didn't give me these big ears to ride whining battery powered leaf blowers .. Mega vlog as usual Jake your track looks so good 👍

Jesus mate dinosaur at 33! Now I feel really old!

Perhaps a better comparo would be the Varg at near full power vs a 450.

So you think we are gonna believe he never rode the Vark in it's fully open 80hp state just to see? Not gonna tell us those times? He looked awfully fast for hopping a totally new invention.

Great insights & one of the better mx / gas comparisons I've seen. Surprised at the lack of power off the bottom on the Stark, & I wonder if you can modify the map to move the power band? Maybe there's a Stark test/development gig on the cards in the future!😂👍

That's really articulate and hype-free rider feedback and there's no question that battery life on fast or sapping tracks is a big issue. But the lap time difference here feels very spurious and is a real outlier compared to most people's experience (who more or less instantly match their petrol-engined time), so for whatever reason I don't believe the HP figures were balanced in this test. I feel like the dashboard HP on the Stark is an overestimation. A lot of owners seem to be gravitating towards 50hp (myself included, with 80-100% engine braking) which feels like a sweetspot for the bike, and gets rid of that limited, capped feel. Would love to see you try that and hear your thoughts. As a novice motocrosser, the Stark feels like an amazing training tool, with settable power way less intimidating than a petrol 450, but it still gives you the option of an adrenaline pump on the straights at the flick of a button. Anything above 60hp is just instant arm pump, with the full 80hp basically a holeshot mode.

Honda CRF250R all day m8 Really enjoy you on the 250 Honda You should get Tommy S over for a crf250r race.

Great comparison test.

Your not sold on these E bikes then Jake , arnt varg on with an update at the minute tho .

Jake china, first time I seen you, but good for me to hear. Think I go for a gas Bonnie, being ex-125 high-school mx Syringa Spa SA. Shit boet 🎉

Old dinosaur at 33! 😆 ohh common dude..

I disagree with the way you did your test,first of all you gave the Stark only 40hp,now most new stock 250s make around 43-44hp,it was hard to see if you had an aftermarket pipe the way your vid was done you mostly see the left side of the bike on the crf 250 ,also the Stark is heavier than the crf 250 by at least a good 25 pounds,at 40hp the Stark was at a hp disadvantage 3 to 4hp or maybe more if you had a high comp piston,cams,pipe it could be 6 or 7hp,for the battery life others have said around 20- 35 minutes at 55hp,but then again it depends on the track.

Thanks for sharing your honest opinion, for me the way it sounds it would feel like I was riding a toy 😅

id kill to not have a clutch. i keep stalling!!! XD

Well done Jake, personally I found that very interesting and informative. Raises and answers many questions!

80 HP setting massive E torque.

An unbiased review would have gotten a new sub.

Well let’s see how they go in competition. Based on this test, they will all be last in the 250 class. Very subjective, guessing power setting, throttle mapping etc.

The weight is a lot more than an 250, from 45hp the stark feels more alive. Great to see you ride 💪

TBH this test makes no sense, I understand what you were trying to do but shaving hp off to compensate for shifting, that’s a benefit of the EV. Why would you turn the power down at all? Is the power to weight ratio the same? Imagine detuning a Ferrari to 70hp because you want to compare times against a Corolla…

Stark Varg is unimpressive at 40 hp. It has to do not with the max power but with the throttle response. This is a tuning matter. Try 50 hp. I also was unimpressed with the Alta my first time after riding it in the woods. It was only after I tried power-sliding that I understood how much control I have over the available power.

Well explained.

Great review

100% unfair comparison. Make it fair and get some seat time on the Stark, maybe as many hours as you have on that CRF. THEN flip riding one first before the other. You just hopped off the couch and rode the Stark second .. of course you would have slower lap times 🤣🤣 the lack of low end power is due to your lack of throttle control on the Stark. As you get more time on the Stark you will learn how to control it more efficiently coming out of corners. Do another test riding the Stark first and the CRF second and compare you lap times again.

You can still have fun riding an uncompetitive petrol powered bike. I do. :-)

Finally, a real review instead of a paid schill touting the epic grandure of technological advancement and epitome of performance Bull Schitt. Stark still can't seem to deliver for many people who are waiting on their orders for 2 years now.

Wow, great video and riding Jake. I'm a fan from the US and an amazed at how a GP racer rides a local track. You are AWESOME, bro. 💪🏻😎🤩💪🏽 I could you're skilled and fast but you're also STRONG AS 😳

Good review and.. nice little terrier.

Great Vid thanks was interested to see battery fade so fast.

It's impressive what batteries and electric motors can do but I can't see how it could ever be the way forward. There's soooo many pro's and cons to both but new fuels for the internalm combustion engine is where it's at! They're boring to watch too ✌

You brought up a fantastic point that no one else has mentioned; like how much wheel speed is picked up going over the rollers and such. No one has mentioned it and I never even thought about it, but now that you mentioned it I could see that being very unusual and maybe even problematic 🤔

Why would you compensate for gearchange?!?!?! What is the point of that????

Turn it up to 50 or 60 bet it rips your arms off

Shouldnt this bike be up against a 450?

Perfect antidote to the hype, bikes slow and boring. Cant last 20min at old man pace 🤣. The ruts in them jumps heading into the woods looked terrifying 😬🤣 Get the Stark updated and fully charged, turn it up as high as you like and see if you can get anywhere the 1 lap pace of the little 250 🙏👍

Electric for me, thx...

Until the battery is improved to have more life and be lighter it won't be a really viable race bike for pros. I think it may be extraordinary for novices, play riders, hare scramble and enduro riders who coast a lot and rarely use more than half throttle. If a pro mx rider can get 30-40 min from a charge I am sure my old man off road speed could get maybe 3 hrs from a single charge.

40hp is not enough for the intial punch out of the corner. It needs a little more snap, which starts at ca. 45hp setting. The 45-50hp setting should be the sweetspot for power to battery life ratio.

You gave it the hp of a 125 what did you expect

Set it to 80hp and say it boring. Mine got 30 mins in a deep sand track whith a A grader riding it.

A good and honest test👍🏻👍🏻motocross isn’t the same with this electric stuff,also boring to watch! U were so good on the 250f tho👍🏻keep up the good work and don’t ride that electric junk anymore 👍🏻👍🏻

Batteries are not yet strong enough for this type of stuff and cars . They can’t last and heat is a terrible issue .

when you can buy a 250 mxer for less than $5k used, it's hard to justify the $$$ for a varg

The truth: that CR will still be running in a few years. The Varg will be an expensive paperweight.

Fair play an honest review. I heard proper riders talking them up, obviously getting paid to

Not everything has to go electric! Keep motocross, motocross. Great review on it.

Grow the mullet, Grow the Tash and keeping riding the 250f 💪🏼🤣

People actually believe EVs are going to save tracks from closing 😂 how many dreams have people bought into that never lead to what was sold

You are comparing a 40hp against a modify 250f??? First a 250 has more than 40hp and your pipe and engine you have much more. Also you know your personnal bike better. I like more 450 bikes, and when i tried the varg, 40hp, didn't liked it. 46 hp was ok, 50hp too much. So i think 48hp should work well. Of course the battery will drain quicker, but for average rider, battery and performance should be ok. Pro riders, battery life not enough

Nice to hear a profesionist opinion about an electric bike. Thanks mate!

Finally someone telling the truth !! VArg is boring as !!!!

What track is that, looks great! So at least we have found out that Stark wont last 20minutes race. Yes it was boring to watch, i can imagine that rider wants to go faster on that thing being quite. 2 strokes matter!

The bike was way too detuned. And no tuning of the suspension settings. Should have went for 48-52 hp. Also should have started with a fully charged battery.

Not really a fair test or comments. Firstly you came off warming yup and tiring yourself on a bike you know well, perhaps a day on the Varg, then a warm up and ride on it and you'd have seen different results. And you are getting a faster bike, retarding it, then comparing it to another bike. How about head to head with 60+ horsepower on the Varg Vs the 4fiddy. And they will in MX unless power is retarded excessively. But they probably will, anything to keep the petrol brand sponsors money coming in. But even then, I'm guessing they'l be competitive. You were what, under 4% slower on a bike you aren't used to riding, lets be fair aye.

U Wat Govner? Bollocks i say. Proper bike that, see them on the High street.

Lock the torque to the same as well . Fairs fair..... Otherwise, let the 250f to use proper race fuel...send it.. or better yet make it a 250.2T on race fuel.. send that.😂😂

Gonna be some Short races in the future, 10 min plus 1😂

..finally one honest rewiev. Thank You Sir. Boring, yes exactly, that thing is boring. But people are living so boring lives, so it fits. Les maintenance, no wrenching, more playing with screen, shorter motos.. easy, easier, make it for them softest possible. No, sorry, Boys will not be part of this stupidity. Enjoy, girls